Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
Scott, What is the name of your consulting company? I'm having a hard time finding you on the WISPA vendor member page. Perhaps they missed getting you listed when you paid you vendor membership dues? Jim From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. On 7/20/2013 1:43 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: I need to get OSPF running on the network linking our 4 core towers - had a heat related failure on a mikrotik radio cause an outage this week. We have enough links that we could set this up for redundancy but only have static routing in place, so I had to manually route around the down link. I have a bench setup running based on the Mikrotik Wiki example, it's running and working, but I'm stuck on the part where I assign cost/distance/priority or whatever the term is to make it decide one link over another. I'm not really grasping how that works. Any suggestions for a tutorial or documentation which explains that, or if it's simple, maybe just tell me what I need to do? I want to be able to assign priority to the links so that it won't always take the least # of hops path, we have a redundant link between two main towers which is an old nanobridge link and want to reserve it as the backup link. Thanks for any advise! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6506 - Release Date: 07/20/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
Not a vendor member. NewWays Networking, LLC is a WISP member. I just do some consulting because I don't have enough to do running a WISP. ;-) On 7/22/2013 2:54 PM, Jim Patient wrote: Scott, What is the name of your consulting company? I'm having a hard time finding you on the WISPA vendor member page. Perhaps they missed getting you listed when you paid you vendor membership dues? Jim *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed *Sent:* Saturday, July 20, 2013 12:55 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. On 7/20/2013 1:43 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: I need to get OSPF running on the network linking our 4 core towers - had a heat related failure on a mikrotik radio cause an outage this week. We have enough links that we could set this up for redundancy but only have static routing in place, so I had to manually route around the down link. I have a bench setup running based on the Mikrotik Wiki example, it's running and working, but I'm stuck on the part where I assign cost/distance/priority or whatever the term is to make it decide one link over another. I'm not really grasping how that works. Any suggestions for a tutorial or documentation which explains that, or if it's simple, maybe just tell me what I need to do? I want to be able to assign priority to the links so that it won't always take the least # of hops path, we have a redundant link between two main towers which is an old nanobridge link and want to reserve it as the backup link. Thanks for any advise! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6506 - Release Date: 07/20/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net http://www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6510 - Release Date: 07/22/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
On 07/20/2013 07:06 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: Cost should be set based on the speed of the link. So, if you have a 1 Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1. If you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3. 100 Mbps link? Cost = 10. So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps so cost = 1000 / Speed. This is generally the approach, but not really a should be sort of thing. There are many reasons why you don't want to always use the fastest link as the only parameter. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/ ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
That is how all ospf costs default based on ether link speed. In reality it is a giant math problem, you don't want to assign costs based on the defaults if you don't have a wired network. You should actually set costs higher and not use single digits so you have wiggle room. You also want to try and eliminate the static routes or atleast set their metric so high that they are last resort. Redistributed routes are important as well. It is a balancing act. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net Date: 07/20/2013 7:59 PM (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide I know that is how Cisco figures default values, but it is not always the best. I may have a 10M wire link and a 54M wireless link. The average data flow is 5M, so want the 10M wire to be the primary because it is more reliable. I would give it a lower cost than the faster wireless link. If you have a wireless link that you know suffers from temperature inversion problems every morning and one that doesn't, but is slower, you may want the slower, more reliable link to have the lower cost so that your reliability stays high, but if that link goes down, you still have a link to use. As with most things in this business, there are general guidelines, but you also have to know your network and make informed decisions, not just follow some rule of thumb. On 7/20/2013 8:06 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: Cost should be set based on the speed of the link. So, if you have a 1 Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1. If you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3. 100 Mbps link? Cost = 10. So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps so cost = 1000 / Speed. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Bob iPhone Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, Can you help remotely? ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist for our group? On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. -- Robert Q Kim iPhone Repair Connection San Diego http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSr78Kk8ZU 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6506 - Release Date: 07/20/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
Thanks for the discussion guys, I'll play around with my bench setup this evening and see if I can get it working like I want. On Sun, Jul 21, 2013 at 11:35 AM, Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: That is how all ospf costs default based on ether link speed. In reality it is a giant math problem, you don't want to assign costs based on the defaults if you don't have a wired network. You should actually set costs higher and not use single digits so you have wiggle room. You also want to try and eliminate the static routes or atleast set their metric so high that they are last resort. Redistributed routes are important as well. It is a balancing act. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net Date: 07/20/2013 7:59 PM (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide I know that is how Cisco figures default values, but it is not always the best. I may have a 10M wire link and a 54M wireless link. The average data flow is 5M, so want the 10M wire to be the primary because it is more reliable. I would give it a lower cost than the faster wireless link. If you have a wireless link that you know suffers from temperature inversion problems every morning and one that doesn't, but is slower, you may want the slower, more reliable link to have the lower cost so that your reliability stays high, but if that link goes down, you still have a link to use. As with most things in this business, there are general guidelines, but you also have to know your network and make informed decisions, not just follow some rule of thumb. On 7/20/2013 8:06 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: Cost should be set based on the speed of the link. So, if you have a 1 Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1. If you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3. 100 Mbps link? Cost = 10. So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps so cost = 1000 / Speed. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Bob iPhone Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.comwrote: Scott, Can you help remotely? ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist for our group? On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. -- Robert Q Kim iPhone Repair Connection San Diego http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSr78Kk8ZU 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6506 - Release Date: 07/20/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net(765) 855-1060(765) 439-4253(855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
No, it isn't. Mikrotik defaults everything to cost 10, no matter the medium or speed. I am pretty sure I have seen other vendors that set everything to a particular value. Cisco does default based on medium link speed. On 7/21/2013 11:35 AM, Christian Palecek wrote: That is how all ospf costs default based on ether link speed. In reality it is a giant math problem, you don't want to assign costs based on the defaults if you don't have a wired network. You should actually set costs higher and not use single digits so you have wiggle room. You also want to try and eliminate the static routes or atleast set their metric so high that they are last resort. Redistributed routes are important as well. It is a balancing act. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone Original message From: Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net Date: 07/20/2013 7:59 PM (GMT-07:00) To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide I know that is how Cisco figures default values, but it is not always the best. I may have a 10M wire link and a 54M wireless link. The average data flow is 5M, so want the 10M wire to be the primary because it is more reliable. I would give it a lower cost than the faster wireless link. If you have a wireless link that you know suffers from temperature inversion problems every morning and one that doesn't, but is slower, you may want the slower, more reliable link to have the lower cost so that your reliability stays high, but if that link goes down, you still have a link to use. As with most things in this business, there are general guidelines, but you also have to know your network and make informed decisions, not just follow some rule of thumb. On 7/20/2013 8:06 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: Cost should be set based on the speed of the link. So, if you have a 1 Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1. If you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3. 100 Mbps link? Cost = 10. So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps so cost = 1000 / Speed. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Bob iPhone Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.com mailto:evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, Can you help remotely? ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist for our group? On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. -- Robert Q Kim iPhone Repair Connection San Diego http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSr78Kk8ZU 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 tel:310%20598%201606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6506 - Release Date: 07/20/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6508 - Release Date: 07/21/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. On 7/20/2013 1:43 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: I need to get OSPF running on the network linking our 4 core towers - had a heat related failure on a mikrotik radio cause an outage this week. We have enough links that we could set this up for redundancy but only have static routing in place, so I had to manually route around the down link. I have a bench setup running based on the Mikrotik Wiki example, it's running and working, but I'm stuck on the part where I assign cost/distance/priority or whatever the term is to make it decide one link over another. I'm not really grasping how that works. Any suggestions for a tutorial or documentation which explains that, or if it's simple, maybe just tell me what I need to do? I want to be able to assign priority to the links so that it won't always take the least # of hops path, we have a redundant link between two main towers which is an old nanobridge link and want to reserve it as the backup link. Thanks for any advise! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6506 - Release Date: 07/20/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
Oops. that was supposed to go to Chris, not the list. On 7/20/2013 1:55 PM, Scott Reed wrote: I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. On 7/20/2013 1:43 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: I need to get OSPF running on the network linking our 4 core towers - had a heat related failure on a mikrotik radio cause an outage this week. We have enough links that we could set this up for redundancy but only have static routing in place, so I had to manually route around the down link. I have a bench setup running based on the Mikrotik Wiki example, it's running and working, but I'm stuck on the part where I assign cost/distance/priority or whatever the term is to make it decide one link over another. I'm not really grasping how that works. Any suggestions for a tutorial or documentation which explains that, or if it's simple, maybe just tell me what I need to do? I want to be able to assign priority to the links so that it won't always take the least # of hops path, we have a redundant link between two main towers which is an old nanobridge link and want to reserve it as the backup link. Thanks for any advise! ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6506 - Release Date: 07/20/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
Scott, Can you help remotely? ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist for our group? On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. -- Robert Q Kim iPhone Repair Connection San Diego http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSr78Kk8ZU 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
Cost should be set based on the speed of the link. So, if you have a 1 Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1. If you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3. 100 Mbps link? Cost = 10. So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps so cost = 1000 / Speed. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Bob iPhone Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.comwrote: Scott, Can you help remotely? ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist for our group? On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. -- Robert Q Kim iPhone Repair Connection San Diego http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSr78Kk8ZU 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
What if you have a 10,40 or 100gig? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 20, 2013, at 8:08 PM, can...@believewireless.netmailto:can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.netmailto:p...@believewireless.net wrote: Cost should be set based on the speed of the link. So, if you have a 1 Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1. If you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3. 100 Mbps link? Cost = 10. So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps so cost = 1000 / Speed. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Bob iPhone Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.commailto:evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, Can you help remotely? ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist for our group? On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.netmailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. -- Robert Q Kim iPhone Repair Connection San Diego http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSr78Kk8ZU 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606tel:310%20598%201606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.orgmailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
Obviously, change from 1000 to 1, 4, or 10 and then divide. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: What if you have a 10,40 or 100gig? Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 20, 2013, at 8:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Cost should be set based on the speed of the link. So, if you have a 1 Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1. If you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3. 100 Mbps link? Cost = 10. So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps so cost = 1000 / Speed. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Bob iPhone Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.comwrote: Scott, Can you help remotely? ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist for our group? On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. -- Robert Q Kim iPhone Repair Connection San Diego http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSr78Kk8ZU 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - Offlist] OSPF Tutorial/Guide
I know that is how Cisco figures default values, but it is not always the best. I may have a 10M wire link and a 54M wireless link. The average data flow is 5M, so want the 10M wire to be the primary because it is more reliable. I would give it a lower cost than the faster wireless link. If you have a wireless link that you know suffers from temperature inversion problems every morning and one that doesn't, but is slower, you may want the slower, more reliable link to have the lower cost so that your reliability stays high, but if that link goes down, you still have a link to use. As with most things in this business, there are general guidelines, but you also have to know your network and make informed decisions, not just follow some rule of thumb. On 7/20/2013 8:06 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote: Cost should be set based on the speed of the link. So, if you have a 1 Gbps link in your network, set the cost of routers on either side to 1. If you have a 333 Mbps link, set the cost of the routers on either side to 3. 100 Mbps link? Cost = 10. So, your 1 Gbps link speed is really 1000 Mbps so cost = 1000 / Speed. On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 5:24 PM, Bob iPhone Kim evdo.hs...@gmail.com mailto:evdo.hs...@gmail.com wrote: Scott, Can you help remotely? ALL... do we have a services board anywhere... kinda like a craigslist for our group? On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 12:55 PM, Scott Reed sr...@nwwnet.net mailto:sr...@nwwnet.net wrote: I have a network with about 800 devices running OSPF. If you need more help, let me know. I do consulting for several WISPs helping get from bridged to routed, setting up routers correctly, etc. If is is easy, no charge. If is going to take some time/effort, I charge $65.00/hour for the actual time involved, no minimum. Let me know what I can do to help. -- Robert Q Kim iPhone Repair Connection San Diego http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiSr78Kk8ZU 2611 S Coast Highway San Diego, CA 92007 310 598 1606 tel:310%20598%201606 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3349 / Virus Database: 3204/6506 - Release Date: 07/20/13 -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Networking, LLC Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration Mikrotik Advanced Certified www.nwwnet.net (765) 855-1060 (765) 439-4253 (855) 231-6239 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
Kevin, Wispmon can probably integrate with this and it has a customer portal page that allows a user to view daily updated usage. If you need a full Wisp Management platform ratehr than several pieces of cobbled together software, give us a shout and we can show you a demo. Regards, Cameron Crum Wispmon.com On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Kevin Battersby ke...@battersby.netwrote: Greetings We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis. Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a regular basis throughout the month. At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this done. My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any success stories? -- Regards, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
Didn't make it off list. You get the DOOOHHH! For the day. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFihttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:17 PM To: Kevin Battersby; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation Kevin, Wispmon can probably integrate with this and it has a customer portal page that allows a user to view daily updated usage. If you need a full Wisp Management platform ratehr than several pieces of cobbled together software, give us a shout and we can show you a demo. Regards, Cameron Crum Wispmon.com On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Kevin Battersby ke...@battersby.netmailto:ke...@battersby.net wrote: Greetings We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis. Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a regular basis throughout the month. At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this done. My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any success stories? -- Regards, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
SORRY! On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Didn’t make it off list. You get the DOOOHHH! For the day. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:17 PM *To:* Kevin Battersby; WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation ** ** Kevin, ** ** Wispmon can probably integrate with this and it has a customer portal page that allows a user to view daily updated usage. If you need a full Wisp Management platform ratehr than several pieces of cobbled together software, give us a shout and we can show you a demo. ** ** Regards, ** ** Cameron Crum Wispmon.com On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Kevin Battersby ke...@battersby.net wrote: Greetings We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for some time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis. Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a regular basis throughout the month. At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get this done. My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation? Any success stories? -- Regards, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I wonder if it's possible to route any list traffic with OffList or Off List in the header to devnull? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:36 -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote: I was under the assumption that in order to advertise services on the lists one needed to be a paying vendor member. FIRST: I did not advertise my services. I simply answered a question that was asked. Anyone who reads the original question and my answer will see that my answer was much more than an advertisement. SECOND: I agree with the presumption that advertisements should be paid for. The fact is, though, that is has LONG been an accepted practice to answer questions and offer solutions. I had a solution to the question, which I posted. In context, the alleged advertisement was a small portion of the answer. My record of offering free advice on this (and MANY other lists) will support my contention that I do NOT use every opportunity to advertise. I provide good advice (for free), complete answers where possible and occasionally (VERY RARE) I post a solution that will require a payment. THIRD: Can we please just drop this? I inadvertently posted this response on the list and it was meant to be offlist (see the subject). It should be clear to all who read my message (whether you are a Butch fan or a Dennis and Jim fan) that the current discussion was not intended to be a public discussion. FINALLY: This thread has seriously deteriorated into something that is of no help to Paul, who posted a reasonable question. I will no longer participate in this thread. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:35:42 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last consultant I have needed. On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I second Butch as a personal recommendation. We haven't had to use him much, but he has always had great recommendations for questions I have asked on the list as well as questions I wanted to ask and someone else beat me to it. Also, his QOS script for RouterOS is pretty good as well! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last consultant I have needed. On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Alan Bryant | Systems Administrator Gtek Computers Wireless, LLC. a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I agree with Josh's comment. Butch has been the first and last MikroTik consultant we've needed. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Alan Bryant Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I second Butch as a personal recommendation. We haven't had to use him much, but he has always had great recommendations for questions I have asked on the list as well as questions I wanted to ask and someone else beat me to it. Also, his QOS script for RouterOS is pretty good as well! On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I do see Butch's point. Need to relax on the wording. My personal recommendation is to use Butch as he is the first and last consultant I have needed. On Jul 29, 2010 7:49 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Oooo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Alan Bryant | Systems Administrator Gtek Computers Wireless, LLC. a...@gtekcommunications.com | www.gtek.biz O 361-777-1400 | F 361-777-1405 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Ya, but that person is not paying in the bar, and I am .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Life isn't fair. My example goes both ways. No one is forcing you to drink here. Maybe we should have a poll with all the paying members and see who all has a problem with it? Base rules on the decisions of the group. Are we really going to make a rule that says non-members can't offer help? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Ya, but that person is not paying in the bar, and I am .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
I was under the assumption that in order to advertise services on the lists one needed to be a paying vendor member. Doesn't seem fair that if one guy is paying for the right to advertise, that another guy can pop in and tout his stuff fwithout paying the fare (nothing against Butch, I'm just sayin') - Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:11 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting Ya, but that person is not paying in the bar, and I am .. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:07 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting My point still remains. If someone's smoking in a bar and I don't like it, I leave. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Yes a few months to fill a vacancy. He also did work with CALEA committee among other thngs. Not saying he did not do things for WISPA, but that still does not give him the right to advertise his products. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
Josh, Sorry but that email was out of line, why would you take the we'll take our Butch fans and leave attitude? it's totally against what we have all worked for in improving conditions for WISP's and access to our paid vendors. The first thing Dennis did was go on the Board list and announce it was his opinion and not as the board member and he would abstain from any board action if any was taken. I'm always irritated when people make grand stands over something when they know it's not really right. Yes I'm a fan of Butch's, I don't doubt for one second his qualifications, I'm also a fan of the rules that apply to everyone and if someone was a board member years ago but didn't support WISPA in the capacity they were representing now that is as violating to me as someone saying something bad about Butch. We have numerous camps in this group because people contribute a lot on here, I even say that you have been active enough to have a Josh camp of supporters. It shows a lack of that leadership expected of your followers to say if this group wants to play by the rules we all signed up for, we're outta here. If Butch has made at least $1000 in revenue while promoting his business on here, which I'm sure he has, shouldn't you be asking why do I have to pay my share and he doesn't? I'm just asking. The Regional Meeting provided great unity so when someone just willy-nilly says I speak for many of us blah blah lets fly this rules following group if they disagree with me at all! I ask do you even get WISPA? It's just sad because this group has made me plenty mad on occasion but I can easily see how WISPA has assisted my business and the entire industry. How many customers have said I'm leaving you and taking my friends with me, I lose maybe one or two people because of them but eventually they come back because my service is far better than my satellite competition, see the correlation. Forbes On 7/29/2010 8:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made VERY positive comments regarding the improved quality of my course over the other one they have taken. This does not have to be a battle every time someone asks a question, does it? -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
It has little to do with Butch specifically. It's the fact we have an entire thread dedicated to this, what I consider, tiny little issue. I will stand alone in this. I was only imagining that I wasn't alone, I apologize for speaking for others. I ask that everyone think for themselves. What you (Forbes and Dennis in this particular thread, I'm assuming others are part of this group) are stating is that no one can say I can help. We can either A) learn to work together B) clearly define the rules; I believe this is impossible C) separate WISPA from the public; members only are in memb...@wispa.org; close down every other mailing list I have always been of a GNU mind set. I help people for free. People help me for free. Obviously there has to be a line drawn. Maybe another way we can look at this is Butch is helping the WISP community and by proxy the WISPA entity. I think helping starving people is more important then worrying about who has the bigger slice of pizza. I understand completely what you're saying. It isn't fair one is paying for what the other isn't and getting the same results. Neither is life. We can pout or cooperate. Not sure if you were around for this but look up I QUIT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: Josh, Sorry but that email was out of line, why would you take the we'll take our Butch fans and leave attitude? it's totally against what we have all worked for in improving conditions for WISP's and access to our paid vendors. The first thing Dennis did was go on the Board list and announce it was his opinion and not as the board member and he would abstain from any board action if any was taken. I'm always irritated when people make grand stands over something when they know it's not really right. Yes I'm a fan of Butch's, I don't doubt for one second his qualifications, I'm also a fan of the rules that apply to everyone and if someone was a board member years ago but didn't support WISPA in the capacity they were representing now that is as violating to me as someone saying something bad about Butch. We have numerous camps in this group because people contribute a lot on here, I even say that you have been active enough to have a Josh camp of supporters. It shows a lack of that leadership expected of your followers to say if this group wants to play by the rules we all signed up for, we're outta here. If Butch has made at least $1000 in revenue while promoting his business on here, which I'm sure he has, shouldn't you be asking why do I have to pay my share and he doesn't? I'm just asking. The Regional Meeting provided great unity so when someone just willy-nilly says I speak for many of us blah blah lets fly this rules following group if they disagree with me at all! I ask do you even get WISPA? It's just sad because this group has made me plenty mad on occasion but I can easily see how WISPA has assisted my business and the entire industry. How many customers have said I'm leaving you and taking my friends with me, I lose maybe one or two people because of them but eventually they come back because my service is far better than my satellite competition, see the correlation. Forbes On 7/29/2010 8:49 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I think I speak for many of us when I say I'm not going to stick with WISPA if people are going to act like this. Butch was on the board at one point in time which has to count for something in this matter. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: It does when you are promoting your products and services as a Vendor Member and you are NOT a WISPA Vendor member. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting On Thu, 2010-07-29 at 13:44 -0500, Jim Patient wrote: I would suggest using a WISPA vendor member for your training needs. He already asked about a WISPA vendor member (Mikrotik specifically). I simply offered the information on my training opportunity coming up next week. Of the HUNDREDS of students who have taken my training, the comments have been very positive. I have (to my knowledge) taught over 40 students who have taken MT training from other sources (including Mikrotik and linktecks) who have made
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Re: Mikrotik User Meeting
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 00:36 -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote: I was under the assumption that in order to advertise services on the lists one needed to be a paying vendor member. FIRST: I did not advertise my services. I simply answered a question that was asked. Anyone who reads the original question and my answer will see that my answer was much more than an advertisement. SECOND: I agree with the presumption that advertisements should be paid for. The fact is, though, that is has LONG been an accepted practice to answer questions and offer solutions. I had a solution to the question, which I posted. In context, the alleged advertisement was a small portion of the answer. My record of offering free advice on this (and MANY other lists) will support my contention that I do NOT use every opportunity to advertise. I provide good advice (for free), complete answers where possible and occasionally (VERY RARE) I post a solution that will require a payment. THIRD: Can we please just drop this? I inadvertently posted this response on the list and it was meant to be offlist (see the subject). It should be clear to all who read my message (whether you are a Butch fan or a Dennis and Jim fan) that the current discussion was not intended to be a public discussion. FINALLY: This thread has seriously deteriorated into something that is of no help to Paul, who posted a reasonable question. I will no longer participate in this thread. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/* Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Looking to Sell..........
I work with Sara who started the thread We have 40 - 80 currently and will have more that would like to move CPQ19's all generations, current firmware Scott Piehn JCWIFI.com Division Manager Computer Dynamics 451 W. South St Freeport, IL 61032 spi...@computerdyn.com V 815.233.2641 F 815.233.6225 - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios for sale, please contact me. We are switching to 10mhz channels and I have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out. I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo, and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a Ubiquiti radio. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Looking to Sell..........
Wasn't offlist Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Scott Piehn li...@jcwifi.com wrote: I work with Sara who started the thread We have 40 - 80 currently and will have more that would like to move CPQ19's all generations, current firmware Scott Piehn JCWIFI.com Division Manager Computer Dynamics 451 W. South St Freeport, IL 61032 spi...@computerdyn.com V 815.233.2641 F 815.233.6225 - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios for sale, please contact me. We are switching to 10mhz channels and I have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out. I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo, and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a Ubiquiti radio. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Looking to Sell..........
Thanks for the gumball, Popeye. Thanks for the gumball. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:35 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: i...@jcwifi.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Looking to Sell.. I work with Sara who started the thread We have 40 - 80 currently and will have more that would like to move CPQ19's all generations, current firmware Scott Piehn JCWIFI.com Division Manager Computer Dynamics 451 W. South St Freeport, IL 61032 spi...@computerdyn.com V 815.233.2641 F 815.233.6225 - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios for sale, please contact me. We are switching to 10mhz channels and I have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out. I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo, and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a Ubiquiti radio. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Looking to Sell..........
Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Thanks for the gumball, Popeye. Thanks for the gumball. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Piehn Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 6:35 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: i...@jcwifi.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Looking to Sell.. I work with Sara who started the thread We have 40 - 80 currently and will have more that would like to move CPQ19's all generations, current firmware Scott Piehn JCWIFI.com Division Manager Computer Dynamics 451 W. South St Freeport, IL 61032 spi...@computerdyn.com V 815.233.2641 F 815.233.6225 - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Anyone who has Tranzeo CPQ15, CPQ19, SL2-15, SL2N, SL5 or TR5a radios for sale, please contact me. We are switching to 10mhz channels and I have about 500 or so of the older CPE200 and CPE80 radios to switch out. I've been buying a lot of NS2/NS5 and Bullet2/Bullet5, but it is a lot easier to switch to a Tranzeo when the customer already has a Tranzeo, and there are quite a few situations where a Tranzeo works better than a Ubiquiti radio. Matt Larsen mlar...@vistabeam.com On 6/11/2010 11:01 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: An NS2 is $80 list. I think most will agree it is superior, too. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Tom DeReggiwirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: $100 I doubt it. New equivellent class or better 2.4 CPEs at near that gain (alternate brands), are going for as low as $80 now adays. Maybe even less. Why buy old/used Wifi? Atleast not in 2.4G, that have so many vendor options, new and used. Good luck with liquidating, but I'd side with Chuck, that you'd be lucky to get $50, on the high side. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sara Grayli...@jcwifi.com To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:54 AM Subject: [WISPA] Looking to Sell.. Tranzeo CPQ 19f We are switching frequencies and have between 50 and 100 to sell. Hoping they are worth around $100. Please reply offlist to i...@jcwifi.com. Sara Gray WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning
I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them. Would you take $350 for all three? It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this morning, so I won't be able to do much. If you respond before 9:00 I can send payment by PayPal. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d I will remove items as they are sold. Thanks [cid:image001.gif@01CAE277.545A7380] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning
Dumb-ass attack this morning... I didn't change the destination... Please dis-regard everyone. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them. Would you take $350 for all three? It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this morning, so I won't be able to do much. If you respond before 9:00 I can send payment by PayPal. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d I will remove items as they are sold. Thanks [cid:image001.gif@01CAE277.545A7380] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning
I ALWAYS try to disregard everyone. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:33 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning Dumb-ass attack this morning... I didn't change the destination... Please dis-regard everyone. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 7:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [WISPA - OFFLIST] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning I would like the 3 - 900 SM Connectorized if you still have them. Would you take $350 for all three? It's my daughter's birthday and we are going to the zoo later this morning, so I won't be able to do much. If you respond before 9:00 I can send payment by PayPal. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 2:58 AM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] [FRIDAY FOR SALE] Spring Cleaning The list: http://tiny.cc/p0p3d I will remove items as they are sold. Thanks [cid:image001.gif@01CAE277.545A7380] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 Websitehttp://www.aircloud.com/ Bloghttp://weblog.aircloud.com/ Twitterhttp://www.twitter.com/aircloudbband LinkedInhttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/jerry-richardson/6/372/354 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [OFFLIST] atmail mail server or similar products
If you are looking for a cheap solution as well, here is another option. Very scalable. paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products Hi All, I am giving a look to some email server in-house applications. One is atmail (atmail.com) which is a rebranded-zimbra (or it looks to be similar). They have an ISP license, so I was thinking that maybe you can tell me your success/horror stories with in-house products. At the moment I am not thinking of hosted services, so the in-house looks the only solution. Suggestions are very welcome ;) -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [OFFLIST] atmail mail server or similar products
well guess I will try that agaon . sorry all. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OFFLIST] atmail mail server or similar products If you are looking for a cheap solution as well, here is another option. Very scalable. paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products Hi All, I am giving a look to some email server in-house applications. One is atmail (atmail.com) which is a rebranded-zimbra (or it looks to be similar). They have an ISP license, so I was thinking that maybe you can tell me your success/horror stories with in-house products. At the moment I am not thinking of hosted services, so the in-house looks the only solution. Suggestions are very welcome ;) -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [OFFLIST] atmail mail server or similar products
If you fail at going offlist once, try try again! Sooner or later you may get it right :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OFFLIST] atmail mail server or similar products well guess I will try that agaon . sorry all. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OFFLIST] atmail mail server or similar products If you are looking for a cheap solution as well, here is another option. Very scalable. paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products Hi All, I am giving a look to some email server in-house applications. One is atmail (atmail.com) which is a rebranded-zimbra (or it looks to be similar). They have an ISP license, so I was thinking that maybe you can tell me your success/horror stories with in-house products. At the moment I am not thinking of hosted services, so the in-house looks the only solution. Suggestions are very welcome ;) -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2821 - Release Date: 04/19/10 18:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [OFFLIST] atmail mail server or similar products
yep.. lol. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:39 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OFFLIST] atmail mail server or similar products If you fail at going offlist once, try try again! Sooner or later you may get it right :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OFFLIST] atmail mail server or similar products well guess I will try that agaon . sorry all. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [OFFLIST] atmail mail server or similar products If you are looking for a cheap solution as well, here is another option. Very scalable. paolo.difrance...@teleinform.com --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCUME Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:10 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] atmail mail server or similar products Hi All, I am giving a look to some email server in-house applications. One is atmail (atmail.com) which is a rebranded-zimbra (or it looks to be similar). They have an ISP license, so I was thinking that maybe you can tell me your success/horror stories with in-house products. At the moment I am not thinking of hosted services, so the in-house looks the only solution. Suggestions are very welcome ;) -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Teleinform s.r.l. Sede Legale: Via Francesco Paolo Di Blasi 1, 90144 Palermo Unita' Operativa: Via Regione Siciliana 49, 90046 Monreale (Palermo) Tel: +39-091-6408576, +39-091-6404501 Fax: +39-091-6406200 http://www.wikitel.it http://www.teleinform.com --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2821 - Release Date: 04/19/10 18:31:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 22:46 -0400, Rick Harnish wrote: News from the past! Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today. Allen is running a web development company. I spoke to him the other day for a bit. His website is: http://www.bandwise.com -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Watch out! Next you'll be getting a paypal account! :) -RickG On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: For what it's worth to anyone, Jerry was a HUGE help. I'd have NEVER figured out what went wrong with my installation and I'd still be trying to figure out why what I was supposed to see isn't what I was seeing. We got far enough to create a map that looked pretty reasonable. In a couple of hours Jerry had me doing what most people say took them all day or more! Thanks again Jerry! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Ha! He has one Now to send off part of the payment to Rodger :-) __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Watch out! Next you'll be getting a paypal account! :) -RickG On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: For what it's worth to anyone, Jerry was a HUGE help. I'd have NEVER figured out what went wrong with my installation and I'd still be trying to figure out why what I was supposed to see isn't what I was seeing. We got far enough to create a map that looked pretty reasonable. In a couple of hours Jerry had me doing what most people say took them all day or more! Thanks again Jerry! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
huh, must be you can't just type OFFLIST. :) Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an "offlist" message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Hmmm...might still have that email... evil grin -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
http://www.f-tech.net/ http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm l News from the past! Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
LOL, riding his unicycle... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:46 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile http://www.f-tech.net/ http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves.html http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/technology/beware_thieves_part2.htm l News from the past! Wonder where Allen Marsalis is today. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
For what it's worth to anyone, Jerry was a HUGE help. I'd have NEVER figured out what went wrong with my installation and I'd still be trying to figure out why what I was supposed to see isn't what I was seeing. We got far enough to create a map that looked pretty reasonable. In a couple of hours Jerry had me doing what most people say took them all day or more! Thanks again Jerry! laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:47 PM Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Wasn't Blett Grass involved in this thread somehow? (trying to bypass the universal mailling list spam filter with my misspelling :^) Larsen Bob Moldashel wrote: Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Depends on when, but I was there too. I haven't been there for years. I moved to P15 when I found that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile
Oh man. Now I'm gonna have nightmares again! I hope he fell off the face of the earth! lol marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile Too many witnesses I wonder what ever happened to Mr. Farber.. -B- Rick Harnish wrote: I remember that too! I'll keep my eye out for Uncle Guido Moldashel waiting out back of the office. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST Re: radio mobile I F-bombed a guy once on isp-wireless and thought it was offlist. Fortunately those people have moved on and there are no more witnesses except for maybe Shriv or Marlon or Larsen So I know the feeling REAL WELL. I was surprised at the amount of offlist messages I got after that saying things like too funny and way to go. G Brian Rohrbacher wrote: At least I didn't say anything dumb. I'd hate to be a vendor. I'd probably end up sending an offlist message bashing another vendor or something.. Brian Bob Moldashel wrote: Nothing worse than an offlist message that is not offlist. I hate when that happens :-) -B- Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Hey, you up for training another guy on radio mobile? I need a little help. I have spent a few days wandering around in the program, so I feel a little better with it, at least good enough to take in some info if you could show me. Brian Jerry Richardson wrote: I'll get you from zero to terrain analysis in about an hour. You'll need to get your SRTM data loaded first - do you know how to do that? We can use ZOHO Web Meeting. Price 100.00 paid via PayPal __ airCloud Communications Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 _ ConsuWISP RF Topographical Coverage Maps Network Optimization and Planning Network Design and Troubleshooting Installer and Technician Training Please consider the environment before printing this email -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile I don't have time (or the desire) to wade through a bunch of documentation. I'll pay someone for their time. thanks, marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] radio mobile Uhm...ya... Try this... http://www.pizon.org/radio-mobile-tutorial/index.html Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I need to learn how to use this program. I can't even figure out how to get started with it (less than user friendly isn't it!) though. Anyone willing to spend some time on the phone and help me figure out the basics? Shoot me your number and a good time to call. thanks, marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] OFFLIST: Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
Yep - I'm keeping it in mind. Tom DeReggi wrote: just remember cpe count is not a reflection of customers served, unless talking about residential single family homes. Enabling business activity and commerce is just as valuable as getting residents served. I average 5 businesses per CPE currently, and have the ability to serve an average of 40 businesses per CPE. And average the abilty to serve 300 residents per CPE to residentail MTU. Keep that in mind, when talking CPE. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Jack, I would guess the average WISP is 1000-2000 subscribers strong. Mesa Networks was at 7300, but I know that is way above average. Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 8:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Guys and Gals, To help prepare for a planned FCC trip, I would appreciate your input on the following question. In your opinion, what is the average number of CPEs deployed per independent WISP? I'm not looking for the number of CPEs that YOU have deployed unless you believe that your number is exactly the average of all independent WISPs. I'm looking for the number that you believe the average independent WISP has deployed. By independent WISP I'm not referring to large national carriers, I'm referring to the typical type of WISP operation that you are familiar with. I figure if I can get 30 responses then I'll have good data. I don't want to flood the lists with 500 responses so after about 25 or 30 replies, I should have all the data I need. I guess what I'm saying is that the time to live for this thread may be as short as 8 hours. Thanks in advance for your help. Respectfully, jack (WISPA FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ?
:: laugh :: Jack, it happens even in the best of regulated families :) insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST: Input Needed - Average number of CPE per WISP ? Yep - I'm keeping it in mind. Tom DeReggi wrote: WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST OT amps and volts
Can I get your cell? Blair Davis wrote: Brian, Call me monday, but too many volts is what kills electronics. Blair Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I'm a little confused here. I'm working on a 300 ft run of cat5 and have a question. The radio is acting sparatic. The power supply has already been upped from a 18v to a 24v. Both 1 amp. Will it hurt to put a 24v 2 amp power supply in? If I over do on amps or volts, what blows a radio. One or both? I seem to remember being told that a radio only takes what amps it needs, so putting a higher amp power supply in won't hurt, but if you put too many volts in, that will fry them. Please clarify me on this. -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OFFLIST
John / WISPA... Wow, did I not even take into consideration the feelings of others in a bad situation when I wrote a couple one-handed comments. I'm sorry for my piss-poor attitude from a couple of bad days in a row bleeding over into my public statements here... I meant the first statement to be taken as a figure of speechc but the second was completely uncalled for, and for making it and offending the list I'm sorry. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST Rick, This comment from you causes nothing but ill will and is uncalled for. I want you to apologize on the list right now and mean it. Scriv Rick Smith wrote: No offense, but wipe it off the face of the earth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sascha Meinrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in playing well with others and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
RE: [WISPA] OFFLIST
Some need thicker skin if such a comment was taken seriously and offended them. Cliff - Work 985-879-3219 www.cssla.com www.triparish.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 8:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] OFFLIST John / WISPA... Wow, did I not even take into consideration the feelings of others in a bad situation when I wrote a couple one-handed comments. I'm sorry for my piss-poor attitude from a couple of bad days in a row bleeding over into my public statements here... I meant the first statement to be taken as a figure of speechc but the second was completely uncalled for, and for making it and offending the list I'm sorry. Rick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OFFLIST Rick, This comment from you causes nothing but ill will and is uncalled for. I want you to apologize on the list right now and mean it. Scriv Rick Smith wrote: No offense, but wipe it off the face of the earth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sascha Meinrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in playing well with others and has a well
[WISPA] OFFLIST
Rick, This comment from you causes nothing but ill will and is uncalled for. I want you to apologize on the list right now and mean it. Scriv Rick Smith wrote: No offense, but wipe it off the face of the earth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sascha Meinrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in playing well with others and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - OK I messed up
I had a long day. This was intended to genuinely be off list. The truth is though that I do feel Rick owes this list an apology. I was hoping to not make the request for such public though. For that I am sorry to Rick and this list for making this a public issue for discussion. I still hope we see an apology from Rick. Scriv John Scrivner wrote: Rick, This comment from you causes nothing but ill will and is uncalled for. I want you to apologize on the list right now and mean it. Scriv Rick Smith wrote: No offense, but wipe it off the face of the earth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 9:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Nuke New Orleans? I dont get it. Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Rick Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation How bout nuking N.O. and starting somewhere else ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 4:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Sascha, Although I agree with you, Bell South's actions do not condone the action of the city. New Orleans could easilly instead announce a grant offer or loan program for small business ISPs, to rebuild New Orlean's communications systems. They could understand the problem with having only a monopoly providing most of the services. And they could fix that problem from the start, empowering the vast amount of talent the industry has to offer, to accellerate the launch of a network. Instead they get their network designed by a Manufacturer. The mayor should be helping the peiople rebuild their homes and neighborhoods, and let the communication companies do their own thing. How about giving the grant money to New Orlean local businesses? It may add one or two more local jobs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Sascha Meinrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation Hi all, Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 10:33:00 -0600 From: Joe Laura [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] BellSouth rescinds N.O. donation To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org And with bell having to rebuild their whole infrastructure here in New Orleans its a bigger slap in the face IMO. The hotel owners are pretty upset with this as well. Ya, the City has really ruffled some feathers over this move. Regardless of whether or not the City of New Orleans government needs a spanking ;) -- I have a fairly different take on this matter, one less focused on the specifics of the New Orleans/BellSouth fiasco and more oriented toward BellSouth's general business strategy. BellSouth is clearly attempting to leverage it's market dominance in one area (wireline communications) to prevent competition in a different realm (in this case, wireless networking). This is exactly the type of dynamic that anti-trust laws were intended to keep in check. BellSouth's actions in New Orleans are just the most recent manifestation of a strategy that _will_ be utilized against folks like us (e.g., independent ISPs). BellSouth has systematically attempted to prevent any sort of competition within their service areas -- their New Orleans tantrum is only the latest example. I wrote up a brief piece about some of their most recent actions here: http://www.saschameinrath.com/2005dec04bellsouths_shame I'm sure there are numerous ways in which the City of New Orleans needs reforming -- but BellSouth's actions are targeted against any and all competitive entities -- they will certainly focus on WISPA members down the road. Instead of blaming New Orleans for what is obviously a widespread business strategy, I'd recommend focusing on BellSouth, who clearly isn't interested in playing well with others and has a well-documented history of using its market power to bully others. --Sascha -- Sascha Meinrath Policy Analyst* Project Coordinator * President Free Press *** CUWiN *** Acorn Active Media www.freepress.net * www.cuwireless.net * www.acornactivemedia.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/192 - Release Date: 12/5/2005
