Re: [WISPA] Tower Easements

[Ralph via Wireless]

I also got a road easement to the spot alongside his fence for $ 0

 

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Date: Monday, May 13, 2019 at 4:20 PM
To: Charles Bender , WISPA General List 

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Easements

 

I paid 5k for a deeded sale for a 30x50 foot spot

 

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Date: Monday, May 13, 2019 at 4:01 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tower Easements

 

 

Hey all,

I am meeting with a property owner that I have been renting space on for 
several years. He is selling his property so is offering to sell an easement 
for our tower (Sub 50ft). 

 

I am looking for experience shares on determining valuation, any agreements 
people have used  and any gotchas I need to look out for. If you have a minute 
to share here or privately I could sure use the help.

 

Thank you,

 

Charles Bender, CEO

Skynet Broadband  ~ Xpert PC Plus
1502 Cole Street, Enumclaw, WA 98022
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Easements

[Ralph via Wireless]

I paid 5k for a deeded sale for a 30x50 foot spot

 

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Reply-To: Charles Bender , WISPA General List 

Date: Monday, May 13, 2019 at 4:01 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tower Easements

 

 

Hey all,

I am meeting with a property owner that I have been renting space on for 
several years. He is selling his property so is offering to sell an easement 
for our tower (Sub 50ft). 

 

I am looking for experience shares on determining valuation, any agreements 
people have used  and any gotchas I need to look out for. If you have a minute 
to share here or privately I could sure use the help.

 

Thank you,

 

Charles Bender, CEO

Skynet Broadband  ~ Xpert PC Plus
1502 Cole Street, Enumclaw, WA 98022
(360) 802-6657 Fax (888) 522-7409

 

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[WISPA] Tower Easements

[Charles Bender via Wireless]

 

Hey all,

I am meeting with a property owner that I have been renting space on for
several years. He is selling his property so is offering to sell an easement
for our tower (Sub 50ft). 

 

I am looking for experience shares on determining valuation, any agreements
people have used  and any gotchas I need to look out for. If you have a
minute to share here or privately I could sure use the help.

 

Thank you,

 

Charles Bender, CEO

Skynet Broadband  ~ Xpert PC Plus
1502 Cole Street, Enumclaw, WA 98022
(360) 802-6657 Fax (888) 522-7409

 

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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing rope

[Justin Wilson]

+1 Tower One



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> On Jun 22, 2018, at 6:58 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
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> Lee at Tower One can hook you up.
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>> We need more rope for a job on a 250 ft tower.   What rope do you recommend 
>> and where can I get a good price?
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>> 
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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing rope

[Tim Withrow]

Gme supply has good gear and prices 

https://www.gmesupply.com/rope-rescue



On Friday, June 22, 2018 David Funderburk  wrote:

We need more rope for a job on a 250 ft tower.   What rope do you recommend and 
where can I get a good price?


Regards,

David Funderburk
GlobalVision
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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing rope

[Blair Davis]

  
  
Lee at Tower One can hook you up.
That is where we got ours.

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[WISPA] tower climbing rope

[David Funderburk]

 

We need more rope for a job on a 250 ft tower. What rope do you
recommend and where can I get a good price? 

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 David Funderburk
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements

[Scott Piehn]

we are a little drive from you, but if you are interested, we are better 
equipped and trained then local EMS and would we willing to go over stuff with 
you

Freeport, IL


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From: Bob Moldashel 
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2015 1:31 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements

Tim,

Here is a quick summary.

The employer is responsible for maintaining a safe work environment.  With that 
said anyone climbing an elevated structure is expected to be trained and 
properly equipped with the correct personal safety equipment. OSHA has basic 
requirements (of which I don't have in front of me but will try to get you a 
link or two). The ultimate responsibility falls on the employer regardless of 
the amount of employees he or she has. Regardless where the training was 
received, the business owner is responsible for certifying the person doing 
the climbing.

A sole proprieter or the company owner has the right to climb without the need 
to comply with OSHA requirements. He is not considered an employee and, as 
such, is exempt from OSHA regulations.

There are numerous companies out there that are providing varying levels of 
training and will provide a certificate showing that training was completed. 
Most training is only a day or two long with one day classroom and one day on a 
structure. Actual time on the structure is usually only a few hours.  Most are 
just awareness classes IMHO and don't really cover everything that's needed to 
be known to safely operating in the air.

Now the next issue.  

It also depends who owns the structure and what their requirements are. Many 
large tower companies like SBA, American Tower, etc are requiring Comtrain or 
equivalent outside training certifications for anyone on their towers. Others 
could care less as long as you have the proper insurance.  And while we are on 
the subject of Insurancea lot of tower companies/water tanks are looking 
for high general liability coverage.  $5 million is not unusual anymore.  A few 
sites we work on have $10 million GL requirements.  You should ask that 
question before committing to any work.

Anything over 6' and you need fall arrest harness and lanyard. 

Hope that helps and is not confusing the matter.

-B-

Bob Moldashel







On 1/7/2015 1:28 PM, Tim Way wrote:

  How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower climbing in 
a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem to drum up an 
intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone at my local 
county offices that talk to me. 

  I'm interested in knowing:
a.. What kind of training or certifications might be needed

b.. Which government offices that I would need to register with

  a.. Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and which 
offices 
c.. Are there break points where you either need training or don't

  a.. Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without any 
requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z things to be 
legal. (totally made up situation but you get it) 
d.. Anything else you experienced folks happen to know.


  Thanks in advance,

  Tim

   

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[WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements

[Tim Way]

How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower climbing
in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem to drum up
an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone at my
local county offices that talk to me.

I'm interested in knowing:

   - What kind of training or certifications might be needed
   - Which government offices that I would need to register with
   - Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and which
  offices
   - Are there break points where you either need training or don't
   - Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without any
  requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z
things to be
  legal. (totally made up situation but you get it)
   - Anything else you experienced folks happen to know.


Thanks in advance,

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements

[Sean Heskett]

we use these guys to train our employees http://safetyoneinc.com

we are in colorado and their headquarters are in Denver so it's convenient
to send people there for training.  There are a lot of other companies that
provide training and many of them are WISPA members.

I'd highly recommend training!!!  if you don't want to send a bunch of
people you can send one guy to get trained as a trainer for your company
and then he can come back and train the rest of the crew.



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote:

 Any handy links by chance? I appreciate the quick response.

 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

 you have to follow OSHA rules.



 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote:

 How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower
 climbing in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem
 to drum up an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone
 at my local county offices that talk to me.

 I'm interested in knowing:

- What kind of training or certifications might be needed
- Which government offices that I would need to register with
- Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and
   which offices
- Are there break points where you either need training or don't
- Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without
   any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z 
 things
   to be legal. (totally made up situation but you get it)
- Anything else you experienced folks happen to know.


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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements

[Tim Way]

Any handy links by chance? I appreciate the quick response.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote:

 you have to follow OSHA rules.



 On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote:

 How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower
 climbing in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem
 to drum up an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone
 at my local county offices that talk to me.

 I'm interested in knowing:

- What kind of training or certifications might be needed
- Which government offices that I would need to register with
- Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and
   which offices
- Are there break points where you either need training or don't
- Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without
   any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z 
 things
   to be legal. (totally made up situation but you get it)
- Anything else you experienced folks happen to know.


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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements

[Sean Heskett]

you have to follow OSHA rules.



On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote:

 How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower climbing
 in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't seem to drum up
 an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer or anyone at my
 local county offices that talk to me.

 I'm interested in knowing:

- What kind of training or certifications might be needed
- Which government offices that I would need to register with
- Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city and
   which offices
- Are there break points where you either need training or don't
- Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself without
   any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to do x, y and z 
 things
   to be legal. (totally made up situation but you get it)
- Anything else you experienced folks happen to know.


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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climbing Requirements

[Bob Moldashel]

Tim,

Here is a quick summary.

The employer is responsible for maintaining a safe work environment.  
With that said anyone climbing an elevated structure is expected to be 
trained and properly equipped with the correct personal safety 
equipment. OSHA has basic requirements (of which I don't have in front 
of me but will try to get you a link or two). The ultimate 
responsibility falls on the employer regardless of the amount of 
employees he or she has. Regardless where the training was received, 
the business owner is responsible for certifying the person doing the 
climbing.


A sole proprieter or the company owner has the right to climb without 
the need to comply with OSHA requirements. He is not considered an 
employee and, as such, is exempt from OSHA regulations.


There are numerous companies out there that are providing varying levels 
of training and will provide a certificate showing that training was 
completed. Most training is only a day or two long with one day 
classroom and one day on a structure. Actual time on the structure is 
usually only a few hours.  Most are just awareness classes IMHO and 
don't really cover everything that's needed to be known to safely 
operating in the air.


Now the next issue.

It also depends who owns the structure and what _their_ requirements 
are. Many large tower companies like SBA, American Tower, etc are 
requiring Comtrain or equivalent outside training certifications for 
anyone on their towers. Others could care less as long as you have the 
proper insurance.  And while we are on the subject of Insurancea lot 
of tower companies/water tanks are looking for high general liability 
coverage.  $5 million is not unusual anymore.  A few sites we work on 
have $10 million GL requirements.  You should ask that question before 
committing to any work.


Anything over 6' and you need fall arrest harness and lanyard.

Hope that helps and is not confusing the matter.

-B-

Bob Moldashel






On 1/7/2015 1:28 PM, Tim Way wrote:
How does one find out the legal requirements for performing tower 
climbing in a locality? I am located in Brown County, WI and I can't 
seem to drum up an intelligible Google search that finds me the answer 
or anyone at my local county offices that talk to me.


I'm interested in knowing:

  * What kind of training or certifications might be needed
  * Which government offices that I would need to register with
  o Like which level of government, federal, state, county/city
and which offices
  * Are there break points where you either need training or don't
  o Example: for a tower under 50 feet you can do it yourself
without any requirements vs a tower over 50 feet you need to
do x, y and z things to be legal. (totally made up situation
but you get it)
  * Anything else you experienced folks happen to know.


Thanks in advance,

Tim


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Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting

[Vince West]

I will also agree that the M-TOW-P-36 http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=73,
while a bit expensive, is your cheapest solution for this. On a three leg
tower, we mount two sectors to one M-TOW. For example, I have one site
where we deployed 4 5Ghz ePMP sectors. We use a right angle to make sure
the sectors have the proper spacing. Mounting the M-TOW on the two legs is
a bit more challenging and we use headings to point the north and south
sectors. Typically I will put the north and east sector on one mount and
the south and west sector on the other mount. You can switch this up a bit,
north and west etc.

The price per mount is less than the ones you listed, and you can easily
put two antennas on one mount. I even use these mounts to do back-to-back
BHs using UBNT or ARC dishes. We used to use the 2' mounts (M-TOW-P
http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=34), but we have more flexibility with
3' mounts.

We use a lot of the M-TOW mounts because they are perfect for the equipment
we use. They also meet our requirements to mount equipment using
appurtenances as opposed to mounting directly to the tower, which most
tower companies from upon.

Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 7:05 PM, heith wi...@mncomm.com wrote:

 With Josh  Sean on this one. They have a 3 foot long mount to accommodate
 the longer panels, plus with the space the standoff provides will give you
 plenty of room to rotate the Antennas to the proper azimuth, so having 2
 mounts on a single leg is no big deal. I wish WBM offered these from the
 get go, we have fixed a lot of redneck stuff with their mounts



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 Most of the time we have been using 120 sectors, but we are planning some
 new deployments with 90 degree sectors instead.  Since most of the towers
 we are on had three legs it made 120 degree mounting pretty simple - one
 antenna per leg.  What sort of mounting are people using for 4 sectors on
 these same towers.  I am thinking something like the WiMAX tower mounts at
 Site1Pro might be the right solution:



 http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=633



 But as I know, this list is full of knowledge and somebody likely has a
 great answer waiting for us.  Thanks!




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[WISPA] Tower mounting

[Larry A. Weidig]

Most of the time we have been using 120 sectors, but we are planning some new 
deployments with 90 degree sectors instead. Since most of the towers we are on 
had three legs it made 120 degree mounting pretty simple - one antenna per 
leg. What sort of mounting are people using for 4 sectors on these same towers. 
I am thinking something like the WiMAX tower mounts at Site1Pro might be the 
right solution: 

http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=633 

But as I know, this list is full of knowledge and somebody likely has a great 
answer waiting for us. Thanks! 



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(920) 452-0455 – Sheboygan/Plymouth area 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting

[Josh Luthman]

MTOW or MTOWP

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 16, 2014 2:51 PM, Larry A. Weidig lwei...@excel.net wrote:

 Most of the time we have been using 120 sectors, but we are planning some
 new deployments with 90 degree sectors instead.  Since most of the towers
 we are on had three legs it made 120 degree mounting pretty simple - one
 antenna per leg.  What sort of mounting are people using for 4 sectors on
 these same towers.  I am thinking something like the WiMAX tower mounts at
 Site1Pro might be the right solution:

 http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=633

 But as I know, this list is full of knowledge and somebody likely has a
 great answer waiting for us.  Thanks!


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Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting

[Sean Heskett]

wbmfg.com M-TOW-3P-48

On Tue, Dec 16, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Larry A. Weidig lwei...@excel.net wrote:

 Most of the time we have been using 120 sectors, but we are planning some
 new deployments with 90 degree sectors instead.  Since most of the towers
 we are on had three legs it made 120 degree mounting pretty simple - one
 antenna per leg.  What sort of mounting are people using for 4 sectors on
 these same towers.  I am thinking something like the WiMAX tower mounts at
 Site1Pro might be the right solution:

 http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=633

 But as I know, this list is full of knowledge and somebody likely has a
 great answer waiting for us.  Thanks!


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Re: [WISPA] Tower mounting

[heith]

With Josh  Sean on this one. They have a 3 foot long mount to accommodate the 
longer panels, plus with the space the standoff provides will give you plenty 
of room to rotate the Antennas to the proper azimuth, so having 2 mounts on a 
single leg is no big deal. I wish WBM offered these from the get go, we have 
fixed a lot of redneck stuff with their mounts 

 

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Of Larry A. Weidig
Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 1:31 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower mounting

 

Most of the time we have been using 120 sectors, but we are planning some new 
deployments with 90 degree sectors instead.  Since most of the towers we are on 
had three legs it made 120 degree mounting pretty simple - one antenna per 
leg.  What sort of mounting are people using for 4 sectors on these same 
towers.  I am thinking something like the WiMAX tower mounts at Site1Pro might 
be the right solution:

 

http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list 
http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=633 c=633

 

But as I know, this list is full of knowledge and somebody likely has a great 
answer waiting for us.  Thanks!

 

 

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[WISPA] Tower Monopole For Sale It Is

[Stuart Pierce]

Figured speaking in Yoda would get more attention.

More pictures and information on the web page.

http://avolve.net/monopole.htm for pictures and more information.
  
I have a 100' EEI monopole tower for sale, template rings, base lag bolts and 
barrel of hardware. Designed in accordance with TIA/EIA 222-F, slip joint tower.

On ground in Millersport, Ohio 43046. Never erected, supposedly 3 cell carrier, 
on the ground was 25K. To nice for my purposes. Make reasonable offer offlist.

 





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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Jim Patient]

LoL, did he really just ask us for help in disrupting our businesses? 

 

 

http://p2pfoundation.net/Free_Network_Movement

 

 

The one clear rule, Wilder says of FNF's philosophy, is that the
Internet should be treated as a commons, the same way that we treat our
sidewalks or our air or our water. Everybody's got a right to use it on
the same terms.

 

 

 

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Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

 

Interesting

The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening buildings
exposed. Out past that grain elevator, if you can see it, that's
Rosedale Ridge, he says. Out there 3.7 miles.

Summer is coming..  :-)

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On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

A bit more insight.

Phil

 

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timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote:

I agree sounds like a interference disaster from a bunch of
untrained noobs waiting to happen..  

 

I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Tommie Dodd]

Smoking those funny cigarettes!

Their goal would cost trillions and still not be free. It would need 
maintenance.


I am not shaking in my shoes just yet.

Tommie Dodd
Tnet Broadband Internet, LLC
Lakeview, Oregon - 541-947-
Alturas, California - 530-233-4000
Toll free - 855-477-

May you always have love to share, health to spare, and friends that care.

On 2/27/2014 4:45 PM, Jim Patient wrote:


LoL, did he really just ask us for help in disrupting our businesses?

http://p2pfoundation.net/Free_Network_Movement

The one clear rule, Wilder says of FNF's philosophy, is that the 
Internet should be treated as a commons, the same way that we treat 
our sidewalks or our air or our water. Everybody's got a right to use 
it on the same terms.


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] 
*On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel

*Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

Interesting

The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening buildings 
exposed. Out past that grain elevator, if you can see it, that's 
Rosedale Ridge, he says. Out there 3.7 miles.


Summer is coming..  :-)

-B-








On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

A bit more insight.

Phil

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timothy.pct...@gmail.com mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com wrote:

I agree sounds like a interference disaster from a bunch of
untrained noobs waiting to happen..

I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Sean Heskett]

um sidewalks air and water are not free for any and all uses nor are they
free of charge.

I can't drive my car on the sidewalk and in some places in town I can't
ride my bike on the sidewalk.

I can't polite the air against EPA emissions standards

Water sure as hell isn't free, I pay a water bill every month and I can't
just go take water out of a stream, river or lake without rights to that
water.

sheeze people, socialism failed i.e.; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussr

move along children, nothing to see here.

-Sean


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:

 LoL, did he really just ask us for help in disrupting our businesses?





 http://p2pfoundation.net/Free_Network_Movement





 The one clear rule, Wilder says of FNF's philosophy, is that the
 Internet should be treated as a commons, the same way that we treat our
 sidewalks or our air or our water. Everybody's got a right to use it on the
 same terms.







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?



 Interesting

 The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening buildings
 exposed. Out past that grain elevator, if you can see it, that's Rosedale
 Ridge, he says. Out there 3.7 miles.

 Summer is coming..  :-)

 -B-








 On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

 http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

 A bit more insight.

 Phil



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 I agree sounds like a interference disaster from a bunch of untrained
 noobs waiting to happen..



 I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Fred Goldstein]

On 2/27/2014 7:59 PM, Tommie Dodd wrote:

Smoking those funny cigarettes!

Their goal would cost trillions and still not be free. It would need 
maintenance.


I am not shaking in my shoes just yet.


Isaac's a good guy, and he's not trying to put you all out of business.  
His model is essentially a coop, which is not uncommon in rural areas, 
but in his case it's more urban, sort of a coop for hipsters. ;-)  (He 
would NOT say that; I'm half-joking.)


While that model may or may not work out in most of the US, there are 
some successful Internet coops.  Guifi.net in Catalonia has 20k 
customers and is growing.  It's a mix of fiber and wireless. But pole 
attachments are a lot easier there than in the US.


--
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Philip Dorr]

No, he asked for help adding interference for the the multiple Kansas City
WISPs to work around.  That I know of there are three WISPs in KC and three
WISPs that have 15+ mile wireless links on Oak Tower.  We have to deal with
residential APs, Cable company APs, each other, Hospital APs, and now him.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:

 LoL, did he really just ask us for help in disrupting our businesses?





 http://p2pfoundation.net/Free_Network_Movement





 “The one clear rule,” Wilder says of FNF’s philosophy, “is that the
 Internet should be treated as a commons, the same way that we treat our
 sidewalks or our air or our water. Everybody’s got a right to use it on the
 same terms.”







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?



 Interesting

 The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening buildings
 exposed. “Out past that grain elevator, if you can see it, that’s Rosedale
 Ridge,” he says. “Out there 3.7 miles.”

 Summer is coming..  :-)

 -B-








 On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

 http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

 A bit more insight.

 Phil



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 I agree sounds like a interference disaster from a bunch of untrained
 noobs waiting to happen..



 I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Bob Moldashel]

I am a little confused...

How is he asking for help to add interference to existing Wisps?

Unfortunately with Part 15 it is what it is.

 And not helping or supporting his efforts also goes against what WISPA 
is all about.  Wireless Internet Service Providers Association  He is 
providing wireless Internet service.  Just because he is doing it for 
free does not mean he does not have a valid project.


Just saying..

-B-





On 2/27/2014 9:35 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:
No, he asked for help adding interference for the the multiple Kansas 
City WISPs to work around.  That I know of there are three WISPs in KC 
and three WISPs that have 15+ mile wireless links on Oak Tower.  We 
have to deal with residential APs, Cable company APs, each other, 
Hospital APs, and now him.



On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net 
mailto:jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:


LoL, did he really just ask us for help in disrupting our businesses?

http://p2pfoundation.net/Free_Network_Movement

The one clear rule, Wilder says of FNF's philosophy, is that
the Internet should be treated as a commons, the same way that we
treat our sidewalks or our air or our water. Everybody's got a
right to use it on the same terms.

*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 PM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

Interesting

The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening
buildings exposed. Out past that grain elevator, if you can see
it, that's Rosedale Ridge, he says. Out there 3.7 miles.

Summer is coming..  :-)

-B-








On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

A bit more insight.

Phil

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timothy.pct...@gmail.com mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com
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untrained noobs waiting to happen..

I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Philip Dorr]

Sorry if it sounded like I was saying that he IS causing problems, he is
not not causing any issues that I know of.

Though Timewarner/Comcast ARE causing problems ALL over the KC metro area
on both 2.4Ghz and 5.8Ghz.  On just one AP I can see 50+ cable APs, amd my
phone (dual band) is able to see about the same number on the ground.  Even
worse is in some of the caves that have offices, the office APs are hard to
use because of the cable provider interference.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

  I am a little confused...

 How is he asking for help to add interference to existing Wisps?

 Unfortunately with Part 15 it is what it is.

  And not helping or supporting his efforts also goes against what WISPA is
 all about.  Wireless Internet Service Providers Association  He is
 providing wireless Internet service.  Just because he is doing it for free
 does not mean he does not have a valid project.

 Just saying..

 -B-






 On 2/27/2014 9:35 PM, Philip Dorr wrote:

 No, he asked for help adding interference for the the multiple Kansas City
 WISPs to work around.  That I know of there are three WISPs in KC and three
 WISPs that have 15+ mile wireless links on Oak Tower.  We have to deal with
 residential APs, Cable company APs, each other, Hospital APs, and now him.


 On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 6:45 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.netwrote:

  LoL, did he really just ask us for help in disrupting our businesses?





 http://p2pfoundation.net/Free_Network_Movement





 “The one clear rule,” Wilder says of FNF’s philosophy, “is that the
 Internet should be treated as a commons, the same way that we treat our
 sidewalks or our air or our water. Everybody’s got a right to use it on the
 same terms.”







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
 *Sent:* Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:25 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?



 Interesting

 The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening buildings
 exposed. “Out past that grain elevator, if you can see it, that’s Rosedale
 Ridge,” he says. “Out there 3.7 miles.”

 Summer is coming..  :-)

 -B-








 On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

   http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

 A bit more insight.

 Phil



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 noobs waiting to happen..



 I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website

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[WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Isaac Wilder]

Long time subscriber, first time poster.

My name is Isaac Wilder. I'm one of the cofounders of the Free Network 
Foundation,
an NGO that supports user-owned telecommunications systems.

I'm writing to ask if any of you have recommendations for seminars/cert programs
for tower engineering (calculating loads, ballasts, guy tension, assembly, 
grounding,
testing). I am in the Kansas City area, but could travel for the seminar. 
Something
that ended with a cert would be a plus, but the key thing is the know-how.

Also interested in climbing/rigging programs.

If I could get both in one place, that would be great, but it's not a 
requirement.
We're a small org, and operate on a shoestring, so price is a factor, but 
obviously
safety/quality comes first.

Looking for reccomendations, but would also like to know if there are folks to 
avoid.
Any guidance you can give would be greatly appreciated.


with gratitude,
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Steve Barnes]

WISPAmerica has opportunities for some of what you are looking for.

http://www.wispamerica.net/


Steve Barnes
General Manager
PCSWIN.com
Howard LLC.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Isaac Wilder
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:27 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

Long time subscriber, first time poster.

My name is Isaac Wilder. I'm one of the cofounders of the Free Network 
Foundation, an NGO that supports user-owned telecommunications systems.

I'm writing to ask if any of you have recommendations for seminars/cert 
programs for tower engineering (calculating loads, ballasts, guy tension, 
assembly, grounding, testing). I am in the Kansas City area, but could travel 
for the seminar. Something that ended with a cert would be a plus, but the key 
thing is the know-how.

Also interested in climbing/rigging programs.

If I could get both in one place, that would be great, but it's not a 
requirement.
We're a small org, and operate on a shoestring, so price is a factor, but 
obviously safety/quality comes first.

Looking for reccomendations, but would also like to know if there are folks to 
avoid.
Any guidance you can give would be greatly appreciated.


with gratitude,
Isaac Wilder
Director, The Free Network Foundation
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[Jim Patient]

Hi Isaac,

I took a look at your website and I'm kind of confused on what you are
actually doing?  From what I see you are building free networks because
you don't think companies should be in control of their networks?  Maybe
I'm missing something but how would this benefit all the companies out
here trying to make a living selling internet service?  Is this a free
wireless network you're building near Kansas City?

 We envision communications infrastructure that is owned and operated
cooperatively, by the whole of humanity, rather than by corporations and
states. We are using the power of peer-to-peer technologies to create a
global network which is resistant to censorship and breakdown.

Jim

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Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2014 10:27 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

Long time subscriber, first time poster.

My name is Isaac Wilder. I'm one of the cofounders of the Free Network
Foundation, an NGO that supports user-owned telecommunications systems.

I'm writing to ask if any of you have recommendations for seminars/cert
programs for tower engineering (calculating loads, ballasts, guy
tension, assembly, grounding, testing). I am in the Kansas City area,
but could travel for the seminar. Something that ended with a cert would
be a plus, but the key thing is the know-how.

Also interested in climbing/rigging programs.

If I could get both in one place, that would be great, but it's not a
requirement.
We're a small org, and operate on a shoestring, so price is a factor,
but obviously safety/quality comes first.

Looking for reccomendations, but would also like to know if there are
folks to avoid.
Any guidance you can give would be greatly appreciated.


with gratitude,
Isaac Wilder
Director, The Free Network Foundation
www.thefnf.org
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[timothy steele]

I agree sounds like a interference disaster from a bunch of untrained noobs 
waiting to happen.. 


I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website
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isaac_li...@freenetworkmovement.org wrote:

 Long time subscriber, first time poster.
 My name is Isaac Wilder. I'm one of the cofounders of the Free Network 
 Foundation,
 an NGO that supports user-owned telecommunications systems.
 I'm writing to ask if any of you have recommendations for seminars/cert 
 programs
 for tower engineering (calculating loads, ballasts, guy tension, assembly, 
 grounding,
 testing). I am in the Kansas City area, but could travel for the seminar. 
 Something
 that ended with a cert would be a plus, but the key thing is the know-how.
 Also interested in climbing/rigging programs.
 If I could get both in one place, that would be great, but it's not a 
 requirement.
 We're a small org, and operate on a shoestring, so price is a factor, but 
 obviously
 safety/quality comes first.
 Looking for reccomendations, but would also like to know if there are folks 
 to avoid.
 Any guidance you can give would be greatly appreciated.
 with gratitude,
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[Phil Curnutt]

http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

A bit more insight.

Phil


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Re: [WISPA] Tower Seminars?

[Bob Moldashel]

Interesting

The trees are bare, leaving the roofs of the intervening buildings 
exposed. Out past that grain elevator, if you can see it, that's 
Rosedale Ridge, he says. Out there 3.7 miles.


Summer is coming..  :-)

-B-








On 2/26/2014 9:38 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

http://harpers.org/blog/2013/03/network-free-k-c/

A bit more insight.

Phil


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I also have no clue what he is doing by looking at the website
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[WISPA] tower climbers/workers comp insurance

[heith petersen]

I had an incident almost a year ago where a tech hurt his back on a water tower 
wiring in new service. Now the insurance company is starting to raise some 
questions. If they drop me or prohibit us from doing tower work, where do 
others go for this coverage? I am assuming its expensive. I want to avoid being 
at the mercy of a contracted tower climber when I have a radio down, you know I 
kind of need to fix that stuff. We have turned down wonderful tower locations 
because they the owners want their techs only. Anyways, we have never shopped 
for it before and was looking for some suggestions

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Re: [WISPA] tower climbers/workers comp insurance

[Sam Tetherow]

First Comp is who I use.  I contract out my tower work, but still have 
to pay the workers comp on it because my contractor does not carry the 
workers comp.  The value is computed based on how much I pay him so it 
is probably quite a bit less than an employee since I only average about 
$12K worth of tower climber work a year.


On 12/11/2013 12:30 PM, heith petersen wrote:
I had an incident almost a year ago where a tech hurt his back on a 
water tower wiring in new service. Now the insurance company is 
starting to raise some questions. If they drop me or prohibit us from 
doing tower work, where do others go for this coverage? I am assuming 
its expensive. I want to avoid being at the mercy of a contracted 
tower climber when I have a radio down, you know I kind of need to fix 
that stuff. We have turned down wonderful tower locations because they 
the owners want their techs only. Anyways, we have never shopped for 
it before and was looking for some suggestions

thanks
heith


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Re: [WISPA] tower climbers/workers comp insurance

[Sean Heskett]

In Colorado workmans comp is handled by a quasi government run monopoly. (I
think pinical is the name)

We specify what % of a workers hours are office, installer, tower climber
etc. then they calculate the premium based on that.

Sean

On Wednesday, December 11, 2013, heith petersen wrote:

I had an incident almost a year ago where a tech hurt his back on a
 water tower wiring in new service. Now the insurance company is starting to
 raise some questions. If they drop me or prohibit us from doing tower work,
 where do others go for this coverage? I am assuming its expensive. I want
 to avoid being at the mercy of a contracted tower climber when I have a
 radio down, you know I kind of need to fix that stuff. We have turned down
 wonderful tower locations because they the owners want their techs only.
 Anyways, we have never shopped for it before and was looking for some
 suggestions

 thanks
 heith

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Re: [WISPA] Tower

[Brian]

Hello Craig,

Thanks for the call on Saturday. Sorry to here that you was in a car 
accident. I think at this time I would be more interested in the used 
towers that you have. Let me know what you have on ground and maybe we 
can get together over the next couple of weeks.

Thanks,
Brian



On 11/2/2013 3:15 PM, Craig House wrote:
 45G 100' Guyed tower kit delivered price is 4249.00

 75' freestanding is a bit harder to match exactly since they dont seem to 
 make one exactly that size so here is a close price 70' KA series kit is 
 available as follows.  I can probably get something cheaper in an 1810 series 
 tower but would have to get specific pricing on it for you if interested.


 sorry this took so long to get to you.  I have been sick all week

 Craig


 Tower and Height 70’ KA Self-Supporting Tower
   
 Base Width 4’-1”
   
 Top Width 1’-6”
   
 Design Specification EIA/TIA 222-F
 Basic Wind Speed Per Dwg. 1441
 and Ice Loading Please note: This tower is engineered for a maximum of 70 
 mph. To determine if the tower
 can withstand higher wind speeds, you will need to go thru the engineering 
 process which
 could change the price on your tower
   
 Standard Items The following items are included in the price of your tower:
   Hot-dipped galvanized sections and components per ASTM 123
 All Steel manufactured per ASTM A513
 Tower assembly hardware (A 325)
 Anchor Bolt Base Cage Assembly
   
 Price $6659.00
   
 Optional Items Cable Safety Climb System (excludes harness) - $915.00
   Standard Top Plate with 2” mast - $189.00
   Flat top plate – no drill holes - $165.00
   Base Grounding Kit - $90.00
   FAA Lighting-Varies need more info.
   P.E. signed and sealed drawings (site specific) – $1,500.00
 Custom foundation design if soil report is supplied, or normal 4000 p.s.f. 
 soil will be utilized –
 $1,500.00
   
 Delivery Approx. 2-3 Weeks
 Freight Shipping to 65610 -$800.00 per tower (Commercial Address)
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Re: [WISPA] Tower

[Craig House]

45G 100' Guyed tower kit delivered price is 4249.00

75' freestanding is a bit harder to match exactly since they dont seem to make 
one exactly that size so here is a close price 70' KA series kit is available 
as follows.  I can probably get something cheaper in an 1810 series tower but 
would have to get specific pricing on it for you if interested.


sorry this took so long to get to you.  I have been sick all week

Craig


Tower and Height 70’ KA Self-Supporting Tower 
 
Base Width 4’-1” 
 
Top Width 1’-6” 
 
Design Specification EIA/TIA 222-F 
Basic Wind Speed Per Dwg. 1441 
and Ice Loading Please note: This tower is engineered for a maximum of 70 mph. 
To determine if the tower 
can withstand higher wind speeds, you will need to go thru the engineering 
process which 
could change the price on your tower 
 
Standard Items The following items are included in the price of your tower: 
 Hot-dipped galvanized sections and components per ASTM 123 
All Steel manufactured per ASTM A513 
Tower assembly hardware (A 325) 
Anchor Bolt Base Cage Assembly 
 
Price $6659.00 
 
Optional Items Cable Safety Climb System (excludes harness) - $915.00 
 Standard Top Plate with 2” mast - $189.00 
 Flat top plate – no drill holes - $165.00 
 Base Grounding Kit - $90.00 
 FAA Lighting-Varies need more info. 
 P.E. signed and sealed drawings (site specific) – $1,500.00 
Custom foundation design if soil report is supplied, or normal 4000 p.s.f. soil 
will be utilized – 
$1,500.00 
 
Delivery Approx. 2-3 Weeks 
Freight Shipping to 65610 -$800.00 per tower (Commercial Address) 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower

[Brian]

Craig

100 foot in guyed and 75 in freestanding. Complete kits are ok.

Thanks,
Brian

On 10/27/2013 7:31 PM, Craig House wrote:
 Brian.  What heights are you looking for?  I can get them for you and have 
 them shipped within a week generally.  Are you looking for complete kits with 
 base plate or bottom section and with top sections?  Complete kits include 
 turnbuckles, thimbles, cable, big grips, ground rods, tension brackets, 
 anchors etc.  Let me know what you need I can get you pricing.  Need to know 
 what your looking for in freestanding sizes as well.

 Craig


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 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:26:09 PM
 Subject: [WISPA] Tower

 I'm looking for Rohn 45G or equivalent. I'm also looking for some
 inexpensive free standing towers aswell. I can remove some of the
 smaller towers myself.

 Thanks,
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[WISPA] Tower

[Brian]

I'm looking for Rohn 45G or equivalent. I'm also looking for some 
inexpensive free standing towers aswell. I can remove some of the 
smaller towers myself.

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Tower

[Craig House]

Brian.  What heights are you looking for?  I can get them for you and have them 
shipped within a week generally.  Are you looking for complete kits with base 
plate or bottom section and with top sections?  Complete kits include 
turnbuckles, thimbles, cable, big grips, ground rods, tension brackets, anchors 
etc.  Let me know what you need I can get you pricing.  Need to know what your 
looking for in freestanding sizes as well.

Craig


- Original Message -
From: Brian brian_wi...@splashin.net
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2013 7:26:09 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Tower

I'm looking for Rohn 45G or equivalent. I'm also looking for some 
inexpensive free standing towers aswell. I can remove some of the 
smaller towers myself.

Thanks,
Brian
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[WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA

[Cliff Leboeuf]

We need a climber for the Baton Rouge area today. Does anyone have a 
recommendation?

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA

[lakeland]

Good luck Cliff.  There is so much LTE/4G upgrade work going on right now its 
almost impossible to come up with a last minute crew.




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From: Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com 
Date: 04/25/2013  9:52 AM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA 
 
We need a climber for the Baton Rouge area today. Does anyone have a 
recommendation?

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA

[Joey Craig]

We use a company out of northern Mississippi that has done work down in
Louisiana. They are reasonably priced. Couldn't guarantee they could make it
today. Send me your contact information offline or by phone and I can
contact them and have them give you a call. They travel all over the south.

 

Joey Craig 

Network/RF Engineer

 http://www.firenet1.com/ Firenet1.Com

Phone:  (662) 510-0764

Mobile: (662) 404-1118

Email: joey.cr...@firenet1.com

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Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2013 8:52 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA

 

We need a climber for the Baton Rouge area today. Does anyone have a
recommendation?

 

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA

[Josh Luthman]

Not when there are WISPs...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:08 AM, lakeland lakel...@gbcx.net wrote:

 Good luck Cliff.  There is so much LTE/4G upgrade work going on right now
 its almost impossible to come up with a last minute crew.




 Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone



  Original message 
 From: Cliff Leboeuf cliff.lebo...@cssla.com
 Date: 04/25/2013 9:52 AM (GMT-05:00)
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Tower Climber Needed - Baton Rouge, LA


 We need a climber for the Baton Rouge area today. Does anyone have a
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Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

[Jeff Broadwick]

Can you imagine how much more difficult that would have been if it weren't a
monopole?


Regards,

Jeff Broadwick
Bitlomat Sales Director
847-238-2481 Office
574-220-7826 Cell


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Behalf Of Greg Osborn
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago



http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg-cel
l-tower-84385.html 



Tower climber went into hypothermia on the 1-23-13 and had to be rescued off
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Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

[Chuck Hogg]

?  I did my certified rescue on a guyed tower and it was pretty easy.
 We've done practice rescues on a Self Support.  All pretty much the same.

Regards,
Chuck


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@att.net wrote:

 Can you imagine how much more difficult that would have been if it weren't
 a
 monopole?


 Regards,

 Jeff Broadwick
 Bitlomat Sales Director
 847-238-2481 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell


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 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:38 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago




 http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg-cel
 l-tower-84385.html



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Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

[Jeff Broadwick]

Just seems like there would be a lot more obstacles on the way down, but I'm
no tower climber.  I defer to the experts!

 

 

Regards,

 

Jeff Broadwick

Bitlomat Sales Director

847-238-2481 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 1:25 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

 

?  I did my certified rescue on a guyed tower and it was pretty easy.  We've
done practice rescues on a Self Support.  All pretty much the same.

 

Regards,
Chuck

 

On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@att.net wrote:

Can you imagine how much more difficult that would have been if it weren't a
monopole?


Regards,

Jeff Broadwick
Bitlomat Sales Director
847-238-2481 Office
574-220-7826 Cell



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Behalf Of Greg Osborn
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:38 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago



http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg-cel
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg-ce
ll-tower-84385.html 
l-tower-84385.html




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Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

[Josh Luthman]

+1

I can't imagine why the tower structure would make any difference.  Only
the stuff mounted to it (extra antennas, big dishes you have to climb
around, etc).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:

 ?  I did my certified rescue on a guyed tower and it was pretty easy.
  We've done practice rescues on a Self Support.  All pretty much the same.

 Regards,
 Chuck


 On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@att.net wrote:

 Can you imagine how much more difficult that would have been if it
 weren't a
 monopole?


 Regards,

 Jeff Broadwick
 Bitlomat Sales Director
 847-238-2481 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell


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 Behalf Of Greg Osborn
 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:38 AM
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 Subject: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago




 http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg-cel
 l-tower-84385.htmlhttp://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg-cell-tower-84385.html



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Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

[Mathew Howard]

It looks like it would be a nightmare just to climb that thing...


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [wireless-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Doug 
Clark [d...@txox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:47 PM
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Here is the climb path on a 240 foot tower where we are all the way on the top. 
 It would absolutely be a nightmare to rescue someone on this tower.

Is there any authority that protects climbers from idiot tower owners that will 
allow tenants to put crap in the climb path that makes the tower extremely
dangerous to climb?




---Original Message---

From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Date: 2/5/2013 11:39:13 AM
To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

+1

I can't imagine why the tower structure would make any difference.  Only the 
stuff mounted to it (extra antennas, big dishes you have to climb around, etc).

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Chuck Hogg 
ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
?  I did my certified rescue on a guyed tower and it was pretty easy.  We've 
done practice rescues on a Self Support.  All pretty much the same.

Regards,
Chuck


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick 
jeffl...@att.netmailto:jeffl...@att.net wrote:
Can you imagine how much more difficult that would have been if it weren't a
monopole?


Regards,

Jeff Broadwick
Bitlomat Sales Director
847-238-2481tel:847-238-2481 Office
574-220-7826tel:574-220-7826 Cell


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Greg Osborn
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:38 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago



http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg-cel
l-tower-84385.htmlhttp://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg-cell-tower-84385.html



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Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

[Josh Luthman]

From what him and Jeremy were saying, it's rough to imagine how awful it is.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote:

  It looks like it would be a nightmare just to climb that thing...

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 of Doug Clark [d...@txox.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, February 05, 2013 12:47 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

  Here is the climb path on a 240 foot tower where we are all the way
 on the top.  It would absolutely be a nightmare to rescue someone on this
 tower.

 Is there any authority that protects climbers from idiot tower owners that
 will allow tenants to put crap in the climb path that makes the tower
 extremely
 dangerous to climb?




  *---Original Message---*

  *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *Date:* 2/5/2013 11:39:13 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

 +1

  I can't imagine why the tower structure would make any difference.  Only
 the stuff mounted to it (extra antennas, big dishes you have to climb
 around, etc).

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373


 On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
 ?  I did my certified rescue on a guyed tower and it was pretty easy.
  We've done practice rescues on a Self Support.  All pretty much the same.

  Regards,
 Chuck


 On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@att.net wrote:
 Can you imagine how much more difficult that would have been if it weren't
 a
 monopole?


 Regards,

 Jeff Broadwick
 Bitlomat Sales Director
 847-238-2481 Office
 574-220-7826 Cell


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 Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:38 AM
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[WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

[Greg Osborn]

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg-cell-tower-84385.html
 



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Re: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago

[Patrick Leary]

Nice work by Bonsal effecting the rescue. Never climb alone (I know some
people actually do).

Patrick Leary
Alvarion
727.501.3735


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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 11:38 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Tower rescue in TN a couple weeks ago



http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/01/watch-man-rescued-from-gaithersburg
-cell-tower-84385.html 



Tower climber went into hypothermia on the 1-23-13 and had to be rescued

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[WISPA] Tower Co APP

[Eric Williams {WISP}]

Tower company  has a APP. Search for towerco It show all the American towers 
is San Diego county.


Eric Williams {W7EMW}
Williams Tel Data / SDWISP
The man with a secure wireless plan!
9740 Campo Road PMB 211
Spring Valley Ca 91977 { yes this is the new address}
619-698-3904 {office}

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Identification - Photos Attached

[Bryan Fields]

On 5/3/2012 12:46, Chris Fabien wrote:
 Can anyone identify this tower?  10ft sections, 19 wide, legs look like 1
 solid rod, flat bolt flanges between sections. 

Looks like an old Pirod guyed tower.  They are now owned by Valmont, so good
luck getting any support or hardware specs :)

Where did it come from, and how tall was it?
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Fax: 727-493-1511
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Identification - Photos Attached

[Justin Wilson]

From the top it looks like a Pirod. If the tower came From around you In
Michigan I would lean toward Pirod unless someone else says otherwise.  Just
because they were manufactured in Northern Indiana.

From:  Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
Reply-To:  WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date:  Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:46 PM
To:  WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject:  [WISPA] Tower Identification - Photos Attached

 Can anyone identify this tower?  10ft sections, 19 wide, legs look like 1
 solid rod, flat bolt flanges between sections.
 
 Thanks,
 Chris Fabien
 LakeNet LLC
 
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Identification - Photos Attached

[Chris Fabien]

It's a used tower for sale locally, but they only have 65 feet, if it's
still available new so I can buy few more sections I'll pass on it.

On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote:

 From the top it looks like a Pirod. If the tower came From around you In
 Michigan I would lean toward Pirod unless someone else says otherwise.
  Just because they were manufactured in Northern Indiana.

 From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com
 Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Date: Thursday, May 3, 2012 12:46 PM
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Subject: [WISPA] Tower Identification - Photos Attached

 Can anyone identify this tower?  10ft sections, 19 wide, legs look like
 1 solid rod, flat bolt flanges between sections.

 Thanks,
 Chris Fabien
 LakeNet LLC

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[WISPA] tower height near airport

[Jay DeBoer]

I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the 
path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site 
clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about 
200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends 
into a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly 
close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 
yards away.  I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and 
all the wonderful paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an 
issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the 
airport.

-- 
Jay DeBoer

Chief Engineer
Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
100 N Roland St, Suite B
McBain, MI 49657

Office: 231-825-2500
Direct: 231-908-0033
Fax: 231-908-0039
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Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

[Daniel White]

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp

Daniel White
(303) 746-3590


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jay DeBoer
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:38 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport

I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the
path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site
clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about
200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends into
a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly close to
perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000 yards away.
I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and all the wonderful
paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an issue but I'm more
concerned about the tower height in relation to the airport.

--
Jay DeBoer

Chief Engineer
Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
100 N Roland St, Suite B
McBain, MI 49657

Office: 231-825-2500
Direct: 231-908-0033
Fax: 231-908-0039
jdeb...@summitdigital.us

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Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

[Blake Bowers]

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp

will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA.

http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification

will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary.  The 
NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp

Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA.  Personally, it only 
takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe.  If you do, 
fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport


 I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the
 path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site
 clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about
 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends
 into a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly
 close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000
 yards away.  I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and
 all the wonderful paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an
 issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the
 airport.

 -- 
 Jay DeBoer

 Chief Engineer
 Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
 100 N Roland St, Suite B
 McBain, MI 49657

 Office: 231-825-2500
 Direct: 231-908-0033
 Fax: 231-908-0039
 jdeb...@summitdigital.us

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Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

[Scott Reed]

I can not remember if it is on the FCC or FAA website, but there is a 
tool that will get you started.  It will tell you whether you can put a 
tower there an dhow high.

On 2/28/2012 9:37 AM, Jay DeBoer wrote:
 I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the
 path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site
 clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about
 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends
 into a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly
 close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000
 yards away.  I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and
 all the wonderful paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an
 issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the
 airport.


-- 
Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays Networking, LLC
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration



Mikrotik Advanced Certified

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Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

[Cameron Crum]

There is a consultant out there, Ken Patterson ( http://airspace-ken.com/ )
 that I utilized back when I worked for Sprint and several consulting
companies. I think his fee to perform a full blown air space safety
analysis on a proposed new tower is like $350 and probably worth every
penny. The last thing you want is to have an improper filing and then cause
some kind of air space accident because your tower is not marked or lit
properly, or you missed something in the filing. That could ruin lives
including your own.

Cameron

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

 http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp

 will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA.

 http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification

 will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary.  The
 NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done.

 https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp

 Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA.  Personally, it only
 takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe.  If you do,
 fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use.


 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

 - Original Message -
 From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us
 To: wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport


  I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the
  path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site
  clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about
  200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends
  into a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly
  close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000
  yards away.  I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and
  all the wonderful paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an
  issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the
  airport.
 
  --
  Jay DeBoer
 
  Chief Engineer
  Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
  100 N Roland St, Suite B
  McBain, MI 49657
 
  Office: 231-825-2500
  Direct: 231-908-0033
  Fax: 231-908-0039
  jdeb...@summitdigital.us
 
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Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

[lakel...@gbcx.net]

Just follow the links provided by Blake.  Real simple.  The FAA will give you a 
determination and you can build as required.  You don't really need a 
third.party. things are pretty straight forward 


Bob

- Reply message -
From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] tower height near  airport
Date: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:52 am


http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp

will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA.

http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification

will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary.  The 
NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp

Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA.  Personally, it only 
takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe.  If you do, 
fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

- Original Message - 
From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport


 I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the
 path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site
 clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about
 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends
 into a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly
 close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000
 yards away.  I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and
 all the wonderful paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an
 issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the
 airport.

 -- 
 Jay DeBoer

 Chief Engineer
 Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
 100 N Roland St, Suite B
 McBain, MI 49657

 Office: 231-825-2500
 Direct: 231-908-0033
 Fax: 231-908-0039
 jdeb...@summitdigital.us

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Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

[Brian Webster]

www.airspaceusa.com is another good consulting firm that can do a study for
around $200. If this is listed as an FAA public airport definitely do a
study. If it is not in their database as a public strip but rather a private
one, you do not have to file. You can certainly do a quick check on the FCC
site tool but that is going to be conservative. Depending on how you file
with the FAA and any surveyor certifications, the FAA office conducting the
study will add up to an additional 50ft height margin of error to see if it
violates any airspace approach patterns for that strip or any others nearby.
If you submit a 2C certification letter they still add 20ft height, a 1A
certification letter only adds 3ft height margin of error by the FAA office.
For a site that close to an affected strip, that extra 47 feet of allowable
height can make a big difference. These are reasons why it's good to pay a
consultant to advise you on these points.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 10:32 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

 

There is a consultant out there, Ken Patterson ( http://airspace-ken.com/ )
that I utilized back when I worked for Sprint and several consulting
companies. I think his fee to perform a full blown air space safety analysis
on a proposed new tower is like $350 and probably worth every penny. The
last thing you want is to have an improper filing and then cause some kind
of air space accident because your tower is not marked or lit properly, or
you missed something in the filing. That could ruin lives including your
own.

 

Cameron

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp

will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA.

http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification

will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary.  The
NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done.

https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp

Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA.  Personally, it only
takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe.  If you do,
fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use.


Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.


- Original Message -
From: Jay DeBoer jdeb...@summitdigital.us
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM
Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport



 I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the
 path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site
 clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about
 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends
 into a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly
 close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000
 yards away.  I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and
 all the wonderful paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an
 issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the
 airport.

 --
 Jay DeBoer

 Chief Engineer
 Summit Digital Holdings, Inc.
 100 N Roland St, Suite B
 McBain, MI 49657

 Office: 231-825-2500
 Direct: 231-908-0033
 Fax: 231-908-0039
 jdeb...@summitdigital.us

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[WISPA] tower down, Raleigh NC

[Blake Bowers]

Some trees clipped guy-wires that supported the transmission tower for 
WCLY-AM and WQDR-AM, toppling the tower


http://www.wral.com/weather/story/9455980/



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[WISPA] Tower Enclosure

[can...@believewireless.net]

Anyone have any suggestions for a small enclosure to use on a tower?
We plan to put it at about 500 feet
with a fiber convertor, switch and power for the APs.



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Re: [WISPA] Tower Enclosure

[chris cooper]

Lcom has some decent fiberglass models that should work.

Chris
Intelliwave

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Anyone have any suggestions for a small enclosure to use on a tower?
We plan to put it at about 500 feet
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[WISPA] Tower at Auction in Evandale, TX.

[Scottie Arnett]

 
http://www.networkintl.com/lotdetail.aspx?lot_id=91319slxauction=QFPIRA000HBW#ps_imgMain1
 

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[WISPA] Tower down

[Blake Bowers]

http://www.fox59.com/news/bloomington/wxin-tower-falls-on-bloomington-school-102610,0,7797782.story

(Indiana) Communications tower falls on Bloomington elementary school. On 
October 26, a communications tower next to a Bloomington, Indiana school 
fell on top of the building as a result of a round of strong storms and high 
winds. It happened at Lakeview Elementary on Strain Ridge Road. No one was 
hurt and the school said the building only sustained minor damage to the 
roof. The students were in tornado mode at the time due to a warning 
issued by the National Weather Service. Witnesses said they heard a loud 
bang, like thunder, when the tower hit the building.

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Re: [WISPA] Tower down

[RickG]

Looks like it got twisted. Glad nobody was hurt.

On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:17 AM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:


 http://www.fox59.com/news/bloomington/wxin-tower-falls-on-bloomington-school-102610,0,7797782.story

 (Indiana) Communications tower falls on Bloomington elementary school. On
 October 26, a communications tower next to a Bloomington, Indiana school
 fell on top of the building as a result of a round of strong storms and
 high
 winds. It happened at Lakeview Elementary on Strain Ridge Road. No one was
 hurt and the school said the building only sustained minor damage to the
 roof. The students were in tornado mode at the time due to a warning
 issued by the National Weather Service. Witnesses said they heard a loud
 bang, like thunder, when the tower hit the building.

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Re: [WISPA] Tower down

[Jeremy Parr]

On 28 October 2010 08:17, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:


 http://www.fox59.com/news/bloomington/wxin-tower-falls-on-bloomington-school-102610,0,7797782.story


Is that an aluminum tower?



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Re: [WISPA] Tower down

[Jerry Richardson]

Glad no one was hurt.

Glad we don't have to contend with that although our main tower site has some 
of the highest sustained windspeeds anywhere.

- Jerry


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Of Blake Bowers
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 5:17 AM
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Cc: tower-...@yahoogroups.com; WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Tower down

http://www.fox59.com/news/bloomington/wxin-tower-falls-on-bloomington-school-102610,0,7797782.story

(Indiana) Communications tower falls on Bloomington elementary school. On 
October 26, a communications tower next to a Bloomington, Indiana school 
fell on top of the building as a result of a round of strong storms and high 
winds. It happened at Lakeview Elementary on Strain Ridge Road. No one was 
hurt and the school said the building only sustained minor damage to the 
roof. The students were in tornado mode at the time due to a warning 
issued by the National Weather Service. Witnesses said they heard a loud 
bang, like thunder, when the tower hit the building.

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[WISPA] tower climbing helmets

[Data Technology]

  Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing.

I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets.  Also 
looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the 
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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

[Josh Luthman]

Chin strap is a must.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote:

  Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing.

 I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets.  Also
 looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the
 brim of the helmet will get in the way.



 
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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

[Chuck Hogg]

Petzl Vertex Vent is what we use.  Open the vent for summer, close it for
winter.

Regards,
Chuck


On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Chin strap is a must.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
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  Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing.

 I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets.  Also
 looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the
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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

[Justin Wilson]

Petzl all the way.

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:24:01 -0500
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Subject: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

  Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing.

I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets.  Also
looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the
brim of the helmet will get in the way.




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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

[Data Technology]

 Thanks guys,  looks like Petzl wins.


On 10/20/2010 4:34 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
Petzl Vertex Vent is what we use.  Open the vent for summer, close it 
for winter.


Regards,
Chuck


On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Chin strap is a must.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



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 Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing.

I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets.
 Also
looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't
know if the
brim of the helmet will get in the way.




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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

[Scott Carullo]

Yes the vent with cmi (I think) sombrero attachment

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Subject: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing.

I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets.  Also 
looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the 
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Re: [WISPA] tower climbing helmets

[RickG]

LOL, get the Pickelhaube attachement :)

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 Yes the vent with cmi (I think) sombrero attachment

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 Which helmet are you guys using for tower climbing.

 I am looking at the Petzl Vertex Vent or the PMI Alto Helmets. Also
 looking at the PMI Advantage but it looks heaver and I don't know if the
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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Bob Moldashel]

Call Estex Manufacturing.  They can make a canvas nose bag with reinforced  
rigid walls


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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[RickG]

like  :)

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 Call Estex Manufacturing.  They can make a canvas nose bag with reinforced
 rigid walls

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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Scott Carullo]

canvas army surplus water bucket

Scott Carullo
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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

Canvas buckets.  No contest.



On Sep 20, 2010 10:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the 
towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided and 
collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a 5 
gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever it 
hits a obstacle on the way up. So, what do you guys use?

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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Scott Carullo]

the thicker ones won't collapse - long skinny ones will or ones that are 
too thin - canvas army water bucket seems good size, good stiffness, ridged 
ring on top etc

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From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:02 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

Well, thats what I've been using for years but like I said, I hate them 
when they collapse and you have to dig for the right tool.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:

Canvas buckets.  No contest.




On Sep 20, 2010 10:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the 
towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided and 
collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a 5 
gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever it 
hits a obstacle on the way up. So, what do you guys use?

-RickG





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Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

[Paul Hendry]

The concrete in question is actually a landing strip so is plenty
strong/thick enough. As we would normally cement in the rods that the
tower is mounted onto, I need to know how it would be done when the
concrete is already there. Anyone doing this or is it just not the way
to go?

 

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From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] 
Sent: 18 September 2010 23:38
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

 

I would want to know the concrete strength, if it had rebar in it and
how deep and wide it goes.  As well if they are belled out.  I’m all for
saving a bunch of bucks but gotta make sure you stay within specs for
the new tower.  Also, bolting onto the old foundation, go deep!  

 

Bob-

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:07 PM
To: wireless
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Footings

 

Hi all, 

 

We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install but
where it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete
foundations. We have only ever installed a tower by digging fresh
foundations and was wondering if anyone knows of an acceptable techniche
for mounting directly onto existing foundations or if this is just not a
very good idea at all. 

 

Many thanks, 

  

Paul Hendry 

Technical Director 

 

Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd 

Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, 

Woodside, 

Thornwood, 

Epping, 

Essex 

CM16 6LJ 

  

Tel: 0845 004 0404 

Mob: 0783 492 1803 

Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com 

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

[Bob Moldashel]

If it is only 40' tall and there is not a huge amount of wind loading 
you can drill into the slab with a hammer drill and and secure threaded 
rod (galvanized or stainless) in the holes with Hilti HY epoxy. When 
drilling the holes in the epoxy bevel them slightly off center.

That will hold it providing you have some sort of base plate to attach to.

-B-




Paul Hendry wrote:

 The concrete in question is actually a landing strip so is plenty 
 strong/thick enough. As we would normally cement in the rods that the 
 tower is mounted onto, I need to know how it would be done when the 
 concrete is already there. Anyone doing this or is it just not the way 
 to go?

  

 
   

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 *Sent:* 18 September 2010 23:38
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

  

 I would want to know the concrete strength, if it had rebar in it and 
 how deep and wide it goes.  As well if they are belled out.  I’m all 
 for saving a bunch of bucks but gotta make sure you stay within specs 
 for the new tower.  Also, bolting onto the old foundation, go deep! 

  

 Bob-

  

  

  

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 *On Behalf Of *Paul Hendry
 *Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:07 PM
 *To:* wireless
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Footings

  

 Hi all,

  

 We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install 
 but where it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete 
 foundations. We have only ever installed a tower by digging fresh 
 foundations and was wondering if anyone knows of an acceptable 
 techniche for mounting directly onto existing foundations or if this 
 is just not a very good idea at all.

  

 Many thanks,

  

 Paul Hendry

 Technical Director

  

 Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd

 Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate,

 Woodside,

 Thornwood,

 Epping,

 Essex

 CM16 6LJ

  

 Tel: 0845 004 0404

 Mob: 0783 492 1803

 Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com 
 mailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

[Robert West]

So…  Does the FBO know this or will it be a surprise in the morning with 
the first plane on final???!!!

 

HA!

 

 

 

Depends on the landing strip.  Rome Air Force Base, yes.

 

Small county strip, heck no!

 

Here in Ohio, most landing strips were just a mile of asphalt to start.  Then 
extended.  No real base there.

 

As a side note, the county where I am were GIVEN a 300 foot ATT long lines 
tower.  They immediately  demolished it as an air hazard because it was close 
to the county strip.  (We actually used the thing as a marker when turning onto 
the base leg on approach)  Now, of course, they are kicking themselves for the 
cash they are spending on new towers for the safety services.  DUMMIES!

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:31 AM
To: wireless
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

 

The concrete in question is actually a landing strip so is plenty strong/thick 
enough. As we would normally cement in the rods that the tower is mounted onto, 
I need to know how it would be done when the concrete is already there. Anyone 
doing this or is it just not the way to go? 

 

  _  

   

From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] 
Sent: 18 September 2010 23:38
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings 

 

I would want to know the concrete strength, if it had rebar in it and how deep 
and wide it goes.  As well if they are belled out.  I’m all for saving a bunch 
of bucks but gotta make sure you stay within specs for the new tower.  Also, 
bolting onto the old foundation, go deep!  

 

Bob- 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:07 PM
To: wireless
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Footings 

 

Hi all, 

 

We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install but where 
it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete foundations. We have 
only ever installed a tower by digging fresh foundations and was wondering if 
anyone knows of an acceptable techniche for mounting directly onto existing 
foundations or if this is just not a very good idea at all. 

 

Many thanks, 

  

Paul Hendry 

Technical Director 

 

Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd 

Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, 

Woodside, 

Thornwood, 

Epping, 

Essex 

CM16 6LJ 

  

Tel: 0845 004 0404 

Mob: 0783 492 1803 

Email:  mailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com 
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com 

Web:  http://www.skyline-networks.com http://www.skyline-networks.com 

 

 

  

  

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[WISPA] tower tool bag

[RickG]

I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the
towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided
and collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a
5 gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever it
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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Josh Luthman]

Canvas buckets.  No contest.

On Sep 20, 2010 10:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the
towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided
and collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a
5 gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever it
hits a obstacle on the way up. So, what do you guys use?
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

[RickG]

They use asphalt up there? Here they just upgraded the local landing strips
from dirt to crushed stone :)

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote:

 So…  Does the FBO know this or will it be a surprise in the morning
 with the first plane on final???!!!



 HA!







 Depends on the landing strip.  Rome Air Force Base, yes.



 Small county strip, heck no!



 Here in Ohio, most landing strips were just a mile of asphalt to start.
 Then extended.  No real base there.



 As a side note, the county where I am were GIVEN a 300 foot ATT long lines
 tower.  They immediately  demolished it as an air hazard because it was
 close to the county strip.  (We actually used the thing as a marker when
 turning onto the base leg on approach)  Now, of course, they are kicking
 themselves for the cash they are spending on new towers for the safety
 services.  DUMMIES!



 Me-











 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Paul Hendry
 *Sent:* Monday, September 20, 2010 6:31 AM
 *To:* wireless

 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings



 The concrete in question is actually a landing strip so is plenty
 strong/thick enough. As we would normally cement in the rods that the tower
 is mounted onto, I need to know how it would be done when the concrete is
 already there. Anyone doing this or is it just not the way to go?


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 *Sent:* 18 September 2010 23:38
 *To:* 'WISPA General List'
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings



 I would want to know the concrete strength, if it had rebar in it and how
 deep and wide it goes.  As well if they are belled out.  I’m all for saving
 a bunch of bucks but gotta make sure you stay within specs for the new
 tower.  Also, bolting onto the old foundation, go deep!



 Bob-







 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Paul Hendry
 *Sent:* Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:07 PM
 *To:* wireless
 *Subject:* [WISPA] Tower Footings



 Hi all,



 We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install but
 where it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete
 foundations. We have only ever installed a tower by digging fresh
 foundations and was wondering if anyone knows of an acceptable techniche for
 mounting directly onto existing foundations or if this is just not a very
 good idea at all.



 Many thanks,



 Paul Hendry

 Technical Director



 Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd

 Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate,

 Woodside,

 Thornwood,

 Epping,

 Essex

 CM16 6LJ



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 Mob: 0783 492 1803

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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Blake Bowers]

Round canvas bag.




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- Original Message - 
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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:42 PM
Subject: [WISPA] tower tool bag


 I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the
 towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided
 and collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired 
 a
 5 gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever 
 it
 hits a obstacle on the way up. So, what do you guys use?
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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Robert West]

I use a canvas bag!  

 

One that the belt on the safety harness can go through to hold it onto my
back.  I also have a zippered canvas bag that I strap on as well.  (Keep the
drinks in  that one!)

 

But  I love the big orange 5 gallon buckets for serious hauling things
up.  I just make sure the drill or whatever is the heaviest is in the bottom
of the bucket because, as you say, it will tip over on the way up.  

 

I've never lost anything on the way up.  My problem was dropping stuff
before I learned to put a rope on every wrench or whatever!

 

I've seen some soft sided bags that are of a thicker canvas and have a rigid
plastic bottom.  They look pretty sturdy.  I'd hate to have something not
soft sided strapped to me while negotiating the transition the ladder makes
2/3rds up a 300 foot self-supporter.  I bang my head enough on that, don't
need to be snagged with a plastic bucket.

 

 

Me-

 

 

 

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Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:42 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] tower tool bag

 

I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the
towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided and
collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a 5
gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever it
hits a obstacle on the way up. So, what do you guys use?

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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Josh Luthman]

I'd suggest two big ones.  I forget where to get them, I can look tomorrow
if you would like.

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Round canvas bag.




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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[RickG]

Well, thats what I've been using for years but like I said, I hate them when
they collapse and you have to dig for the right tool.

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:49 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 Canvas buckets.  No contest.

 On Sep 20, 2010 10:43 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been taking a round canvas bag with my tools in it to the top of the
 towers that I work on. But it gets aggravating since it is soft sided
 and collapses when I set it down on the top of the water tank. So, I tired a
 5 gallon bucket the other day but dont like that it wants to tip whenever it
 hits a obstacle on the way up. So, what do you guys use?
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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[RickG]

lol, you've already got two big ones if you climb towers :)

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:

 I'd suggest two big ones.  I forget where to get them, I can look tomorrow
 if you would like.

 On Sep 20, 2010 10:58 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

 Round canvas bag.




 Don't take your organs to heaven,
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 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.


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 To: WISPA General List wirele...

 



 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Blake Bowers]

Amazingly, I found the best deal on the bags to be at a Harbor Freight 
store!


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To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag


 I'd suggest two big ones.  I forget where to get them, I can look tomorrow
 if you would like.

 On Sep 20, 2010 10:58 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

 Round canvas bag.




 Don't take your organs to heaven,
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 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.


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 To: WISPA General List wirele...
 






 
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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Josh Luthman]

Do you have pockets on the side?  I've never ever had mine tip.

On Sep 20, 2010 11:11 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

Amazingly, I found the best deal on the bags to be at a Harbor Freight
store!



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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[RickG]

Thats my source as well. Gotta watch out for some of their stuff though!
Cheap, and not in a good way :)

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:

 Amazingly, I found the best deal on the bags to be at a Harbor Freight
 store!


 Don't take your organs to heaven,
 heaven knows we need them down here!
 Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.

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 From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag


  I'd suggest two big ones.  I forget where to get them, I can look
 tomorrow
  if you would like.
 
  On Sep 20, 2010 10:58 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:
 
  Round canvas bag.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

[Justin Wilson]

Learn the limitations of them.  That¹s the big lesson I learned years
ago.  The idea is you should have some ³bolt bags² on you as well.  Use the
bolt bags to hold tools which you are going to use immediately or near
future and hold, what else, bolts and nuts.  Most climbers do not take the
kitchen sink up with them.  They take what tools they will need and maybe a
couple of multi-purpose tools such as adjustable wrenches.

If you are doing installs you should have multiple tool bags.  For
example, say you are putting up 3 standoffs with sectors on them.  When you
haul the standoffs up you should have a canvas bag attached to each
standoff.  This bag contains the hardware needed to mount that standoff and
whatever else needs to be put on that standoff (if it¹s not already). At
that point all you are carrying are some small handtools.  The wrench(s) are
in the bag attached to the first standoff.

Granted you can¹t carry everything up with you for a repair, but you
don¹t need to.  If you are unsure drag a rope behind you.  Sure it might
take a few extra moments to pull something up, but it means you are not
taking every tool you own up the tower too.

As far as the bag tipping and wanting to collapse tie the bag off with a
biners so it does not slide.  If you have big tools such as drills that want
to slide out of the bag get biners on them and tie them off somewhere.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] tower tool bag

lol, you've already got two big ones if you climb towers :)

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:01 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
 
 I'd suggest two big ones.  I forget where to get them, I can look tomorrow if
 you would like.
 
 On Sep 20, 2010 10:58 PM, Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com wrote:
 
 Round canvas bag.
 
 
 
 
 Don't take your organs to heaven,
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Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

[Robert West]

I have a customer who has a grass field with a Cessna 172 and permission to
use it anytime.  Both the field and the 172.  I never have.

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

 

They use asphalt up there? Here they just upgraded the local landing strips
from dirt to crushed stone :) 

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
wrote:

So.  Does the FBO know this or will it be a surprise in the morning with
the first plane on final???!!!

 

HA!

 

 

 

Depends on the landing strip.  Rome Air Force Base, yes.

 

Small county strip, heck no!

 

Here in Ohio, most landing strips were just a mile of asphalt to start.
Then extended.  No real base there.

 

As a side note, the county where I am were GIVEN a 300 foot ATT long lines
tower.  They immediately  demolished it as an air hazard because it was
close to the county strip.  (We actually used the thing as a marker when
turning onto the base leg on approach)  Now, of course, they are kicking
themselves for the cash they are spending on new towers for the safety
services.  DUMMIES!

 

Me-

 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:31 AM
To: wireless


Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

 

The concrete in question is actually a landing strip so is plenty
strong/thick enough. As we would normally cement in the rods that the tower
is mounted onto, I need to know how it would be done when the concrete is
already there. Anyone doing this or is it just not the way to go? 

 

  _  

   

From: Robert West [mailto:robert.w...@just-micro.com] 
Sent: 18 September 2010 23:38
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings 

 

I would want to know the concrete strength, if it had rebar in it and how
deep and wide it goes.  As well if they are belled out.  I'm all for saving
a bunch of bucks but gotta make sure you stay within specs for the new
tower.  Also, bolting onto the old foundation, go deep!  

 

Bob- 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:07 PM
To: wireless
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Footings 

 

Hi all, 

 

We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install but
where it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete
foundations. We have only ever installed a tower by digging fresh
foundations and was wondering if anyone knows of an acceptable techniche for
mounting directly onto existing foundations or if this is just not a very
good idea at all. 

 

Many thanks, 

  

Paul Hendry 

Technical Director 

 

Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd 

Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, 

Woodside, 

Thornwood, 

Epping, 

Essex 

CM16 6LJ 

  

Tel: 0845 004 0404 

Mob: 0783 492 1803 

Email:  mailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com 

Web:  http://www.skyline-networks.com http://www.skyline-networks.com 

 

 

  

  

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[WISPA] Tower Footings

[Paul Hendry]

Hi all,

 

We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install but
where it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete
foundations. We have only ever installed a tower by digging fresh
foundations and was wondering if anyone knows of an acceptable techniche
for mounting directly onto existing foundations or if this is just not a
very good idea at all.

 

Many thanks,

 

Paul Hendry

Technical Director

 

Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd

Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate,

Woodside,

Thornwood,

Epping,

Essex

CM16 6LJ

 

Tel: 0845 004 0404

Mob: 0783 492 1803

Email: paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com

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Re: [WISPA] Tower Footings

[Robert West]

I would want to know the concrete strength, if it had rebar in it and how
deep and wide it goes.  As well if they are belled out.  I'm all for saving
a bunch of bucks but gotta make sure you stay within specs for the new
tower.  Also, bolting onto the old foundation, go deep!  

 

Bob-

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Hendry
Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 12:07 PM
To: wireless
Subject: [WISPA] Tower Footings

 

Hi all, 

 

We have a 12m VersaTower that we are looking to install but
where it needs installing there is already a very solid concrete
foundations. We have only ever installed a tower by digging fresh
foundations and was wondering if anyone knows of an acceptable techniche for
mounting directly onto existing foundations or if this is just not a very
good idea at all. 

 

Many thanks, 

  

Paul Hendry 

Technical Director 

 

Skyline Networks  Consultancy Ltd 

Unit 6C - Woodside Commercial Estate, 

Woodside, 

Thornwood, 

Epping, 

Essex 

CM16 6LJ 

  

Tel: 0845 004 0404 

Mob: 0783 492 1803 

Email:  mailto:paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com
paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com 

Web:  http://www.skyline-networks.com http://www.skyline-networks.com 

 

 

  

  

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