Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
I spoke with several equipment vendors and CLECs (local and nation-wide). Their statements combined with my own experiments is what brought me to that conclusion. Some didn't offer T.38 at all because of it's unreliability. Some offered it, but had a very short list of ATAs that they would even talk to you about. Some of them were even referencing private network connections instead of public Internet. Yes, the network can be a source of issue, but T.38 is similar to WiMAX as it concerns us. They are all 802.16 (or T.38), but their implementations are all different and thus not interoperable. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Mike, Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but it's not the VoIP...it's your network Properly deployed...VoIP works fine (however, network construction standards are MUCH STRICTER than what most data-only WISP networks currently support) -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Rapid Link, and is believed to be clean
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Although I always recommend exploring options WISPA vendor members have, first I'd also suggest looking into a comapny called Targeted Technologies. They use proprietary gear/protocols, but it is a really awesome system. It worked wonderfully in our Beta testing. (although we did not do any large scale testing). Their protocol uses a 8K stream, and does some security encrypting at the same time. The quality sounded as good as any other solution that I had used in the past that used larger 30-40k steam size. They primarilly were targeting business subs that needed a larger amount of lines, to justify an inexpensive channel bank, and most plans were pay per minute of use. Although they were exploring ways to expand into other market segments. They were not as far along in their programs as some of the others, when we looked at them, but their best of class technology and desire to develop programs for WISPs was worthy of note. There was a risk to use proprietary equipment, but with a 8k stream, it would be almost unnoticeable bandwdith use for even 900Mhz residential networks. One of the reasons we were considering them, is they had a plan, where they'd jsut take care of everything, so we didn't have to worry about billing integration. At the time, the model wasn't designed for residential yet, it might be now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Marlon, How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted platform? On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Which do you do successfully? G711 faxing or G729 w/ T.38? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
G711 T.38 is a crapshoot. -Matt On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Which do you do successfully? G711 faxing or G729 w/ T.38? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
I challenge that. We have made fax over G711 work with piece of crap ATAs and Asterisk. Its the network that matters most. -Matt On Aug 11, 2008, at 2:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Let me put it this way: I have a RadioShack store. It's only service is from my WISP. All of its orders are placed and received via fax. Its only phone service is Voip. Finicky? Nope. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
We've been doing VoIP (and FAX) for over 7 years right now and T.38 works great for us (we have guys faxing 80+ pages with no problem) A few things 1. Since we no longer own a WISP (and are bound by a wireless non-compete when we sold several years ago), all of our connections are run over landline circuits (that said, even when we had a WISP, we never ran VoIP over shared best-effort multipoint wireless) 2. We hard-set the T.38 protocol to fax only (we had problems when the protocol would modulate) 3. We don't run dial credit card machines over VoIP (bad idea) 4. We QoS the @[EMAIL PROTECTED] out of the network (not just our last mile, but we've found the only way to roll out a Centrex solution is to basically own the customer's network) #4 is the most interesting to me, as it seems that people are coming to this reality and splitting into 2 camps 1. SIP trunk only providers (so they can set their demarc at the Asterisk PBX) 2. Managed Service Providers (guys who not just do VoIP, but support networks, PCs, computers, apps, everything) It's actually a pretty interesting discussion to get into... -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Tom, Bandwidth is generally not the issue with VoIP...it's pps and jitter buffers G.729 is in that 8k / stream range too -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Although I always recommend exploring options WISPA vendor members have, first I'd also suggest looking into a comapny called Targeted Technologies. They use proprietary gear/protocols, but it is a really awesome system. It worked wonderfully in our Beta testing. (although we did not do any large scale testing). Their protocol uses a 8K stream, and does some security encrypting at the same time. The quality sounded as good as any other solution that I had used in the past that used larger 30-40k steam size. They primarilly were targeting business subs that needed a larger amount of lines, to justify an inexpensive channel bank, and most plans were pay per minute of use. Although they were exploring ways to expand into other market segments. They were not as far along in their programs as some of the others, when we looked at them, but their best of class technology and desire to develop programs for WISPs was worthy of note. There was a risk to use proprietary equipment, but with a 8k stream, it would be almost unnoticeable bandwdith use for even 900Mhz residential networks. One of the reasons we were considering them, is they had a plan, where they'd jsut take care of everything, so we didn't have to worry about billing integration. At the time, the model wasn't designed for residential yet, it might be now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Marlon, How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted platform? On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Mike, Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but it's not the VoIP...it's your network Properly deployed...VoIP works fine (however, network construction standards are MUCH STRICTER than what most data-only WISP networks currently support) -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
Not sure if we are offering intl. I think we decided to sell them phone cards if they want intl Talk about an interesting world -- I've recently started broadening my horizons, and I'll tell you, it's hard to differentiate a prepaid guys from a pimp (many, actually do both =) Anyone game for 50 second minutes? -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 5:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious . - Original Message - From: Jeremy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious Whoever it is we are using charges extra for the intl calls. Then to some extent, you do need to checkout CDR records. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Agreed with everything that charles is saying here. Your network generally needs to support edge device ( cpe ) priortization and QOS that controls the jitter, packetloss, and latency of a given packet. Not many solutions in BWA support this very well. PPS is definitely part of it, but the scheduler is just as important. Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 This email may contain material that is confidential, privileged and/or work product for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, reliance or distribution by others without express permission is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 6:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Mike, Not trying to sound like a jerk here, but it's not the VoIP...it's your network Properly deployed...VoIP works fine (however, network construction standards are MUCH STRICTER than what most data-only WISP networks currently support) -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 1:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Well, it doesn't run well enough to be a service I'm willing to associate with my company at this point. I've done G.711 and T.38 with many softswitches and many ATAs. It's too finicky. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax is a requirement and most certainly can work with VoIP. As we found out T.38 and G711 are mutually exclusive. T.38 is meant to work over G729 as G711 is supposed actually carry faxes successfully. -Matt On Aug 10, 2008, at 9:22 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Yes, but smaller streams tend to be less effected by network congestion and latency, therefore usually less jitter. Provided that their is not a large processing overhead/delays for doing the compression to get the smaller streams at the ATAs and providers PBX Servers. That was the benefit of Targeted Technology stuff, it enabled a small stream without taxing the hardware/software heavilly Compared to Asterisk and low grade ATAs that can be brought down to their knees trying to compress down to small streams using the standard protocols for 8k-16k. As well, less bandwdith is an advantage to the proivider not necessarilly a benefit to the VOIP user. Even with PPS, if the stream is smaller, there are less PPS needed to be passed. One of the problems with the Targeted Tech stuff, is it was not fax capable yet. When we were looking into it last year, the idea was that we'd launch our own VOIP fax service to bundle with the TargetedTech service. I probably should disclose, the reason we did not go with Targeted last year was that at the time, we did not want to use a pay-per-minute only provider. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Tom, Bandwidth is generally not the issue with VoIP...it's pps and jitter buffers G.729 is in that 8k / stream range too -Charles Charles Wu President [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 773-457-0718 * office: 773-667-4585 x2500 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 * tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 10:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Although I always recommend exploring options WISPA vendor members have, first I'd also suggest looking into a comapny called Targeted Technologies. They use proprietary gear/protocols, but it is a really awesome system. It worked wonderfully in our Beta testing. (although we did not do any large scale testing). Their protocol uses a 8K stream, and does some security encrypting at the same time. The quality sounded as good as any other solution that I had used in the past that used larger 30-40k steam size. They primarilly were targeting business subs that needed a larger amount of lines, to justify an inexpensive channel bank, and most plans were pay per minute of use. Although they were exploring ways to expand into other market segments. They were not as far along in their programs as some of the others, when we looked at them, but their best of class technology and desire to develop programs for WISPs was worthy of note. There was a risk to use proprietary equipment, but with a 8k stream, it would be almost unnoticeable bandwdith use for even 900Mhz residential networks. One of the reasons we were considering them, is they had a plan, where they'd jsut take care of everything, so we didn't have to worry about billing integration. At the time, the model wasn't designed for residential yet, it might be now? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Marlon, How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted platform? On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932
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Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Agreed Convergence, or unified communications, will be the answer. Our Internet services will be the backbone for the future where people carry a unified device that provides both cellular and IP telephony. These hybrids already exist and the use of femtocells will accelerate their adoption. This puts the WISP clearly in the path of reselling cellular service that gives the user access to a reliable nationwide network when on the road as well as reliable indoor service at their home and office through our broadband offerings. While young mobile singles and couples may survive on cellular only, it becomes a whole different story for families, businesses and farms. They can't run the farm if pop takes the cell phone with him to town. Need to have broadband to access all the goodies from the USDA and other farming sources and VoIP is a natural, providing a dedicated phone with great features and low cost. Best of all they can now use their cell phones as extensions of the home or office phone. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
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If that is the case, why is the cellular industry making such a push for FEM to Cell products. Those are basically just a micro cellular transmitter for your home/office that then acts as a VOIP gateway back to their network without loading up their cells sites... I think this will backfire on them though. As the WISP industry already knows, as soon as you put transmitters in the hands of consumers, the noise levels go way up. In most of their networks they can not afford a serious increase in noise floor and I predict that is exactly what will happen, that is unless they get smart and make the phones and FEM devices use the DECT 6.0 frequencies... Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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There are farmers around here without a landline. They are 100% cellular now. They even have spare lines for the temp guys that show up for harvest/picking, etc. I am presently only cellular and I chose that knowing that i do not have 100% coverage, but that was better than the customer getting 95% voicemail and me getting my messages only when I happen by the shop. unified would be great, but until we can get the cell carriers to cooperate with voip or landline, so we can have single numbers ringing in multiple locations, it won't happen. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Joe Fiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Agreed Convergence, or unified communications, will be the answer. Our Internet services will be the backbone for the future where people carry a unified device that provides both cellular and IP telephony. These hybrids already exist and the use of femtocells will accelerate their adoption. This puts the WISP clearly in the path of reselling cellular service that gives the user access to a reliable nationwide network when on the road as well as reliable indoor service at their home and office through our broadband offerings. While young mobile singles and couples may survive on cellular only, it becomes a whole different story for families, businesses and farms. They can't run the farm if pop takes the cell phone with him to town. Need to have broadband to access all the goodies from the USDA and other farming sources and VoIP is a natural, providing a dedicated phone with great features and low cost. Best of all they can now use their cell phones as extensions of the home or office phone. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org
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The power output from those femtocells is so small, it more closely resembles bluetooth. It covers an area under 100 feet by 100 feet in open air, I read. I dont' think that's going to cause high levels of interference.Besides, they're all supposed to be indoors, as well. And at a 1K a pop or more, you're not going to just toss them up all over creation, if you really don't need them. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Brian Webster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? If that is the case, why is the cellular industry making such a push for FEM to Cell products. Those are basically just a micro cellular transmitter for your home/office that then acts as a VOIP gateway back to their network without loading up their cells sites... I think this will backfire on them though. As the WISP industry already knows, as soon as you put transmitters in the hands of consumers, the noise levels go way up. In most of their networks they can not afford a serious increase in noise floor and I predict that is exactly what will happen, that is unless they get smart and make the phones and FEM devices use the DECT 6.0 frequencies... Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:49 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
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Um. Where do you get the 1k figure from? I have seen articles mentioning a price point around 100.00. Charles Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I have VoIP service at home with Lingo. It's about $20 a month unlimited including all of Austral-Asia and Europe. I ported my home ATT landline number to it. The nice feature they provide is simultaneous ring where you can put any other numbers in the list (via a Web GUI to their server) and they will all ring when the primary number rings, cell phones included and, in fact, any number anywhere in the world their service plan says is free. Then, the first to pick up answers the call. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? There are farmers around here without a landline. They are 100% cellular now. They even have spare lines for the temp guys that show up for harvest/picking, etc. I am presently only cellular and I chose that knowing that i do not have 100% coverage, but that was better than the customer getting 95% voicemail and me getting my messages only when I happen by the shop. unified would be great, but until we can get the cell carriers to cooperate with voip or landline, so we can have single numbers ringing in multiple locations, it won't happen. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Joe Fiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Agreed Convergence, or unified communications, will be the answer. Our Internet services will be the backbone for the future where people carry a unified device that provides both cellular and IP telephony. These hybrids already exist and the use of femtocells will accelerate their adoption. This puts the WISP clearly in the path of reselling cellular service that gives the user access to a reliable nationwide network when on the road as well as reliable indoor service at their home and office through our broadband offerings. While young mobile singles and couples may survive on cellular only, it becomes a whole different story for families, businesses and farms. They can't run the farm if pop takes the cell phone with him to town. Need to have broadband to access all the goodies from the USDA and other farming sources and VoIP is a natural, providing a dedicated phone with great features and low cost. Best of all they can now use their cell phones as extensions of the home or office phone. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
You can do a lot with VoIP. If someone calls my office extension, my office phone and cell phone ring, goes to office voicemail. If someone calls my cell phone directly, it goes to office voicemail. I get text messages of all voicemails and can call in to check. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? There are farmers around here without a landline. They are 100% cellular now. They even have spare lines for the temp guys that show up for harvest/picking, etc. I am presently only cellular and I chose that knowing that i do not have 100% coverage, but that was better than the customer getting 95% voicemail and me getting my messages only when I happen by the shop. unified would be great, but until we can get the cell carriers to cooperate with voip or landline, so we can have single numbers ringing in multiple locations, it won't happen. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Joe Fiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Agreed Convergence, or unified communications, will be the answer. Our Internet services will be the backbone for the future where people carry a unified device that provides both cellular and IP telephony. These hybrids already exist and the use of femtocells will accelerate their adoption. This puts the WISP clearly in the path of reselling cellular service that gives the user access to a reliable nationwide network when on the road as well as reliable indoor service at their home and office through our broadband offerings. While young mobile singles and couples may survive on cellular only, it becomes a whole different story for families, businesses and farms. They can't run the farm if pop takes the cell phone with him to town. Need to have broadband to access all the goodies from the USDA and other farming sources and VoIP is a natural, providing a dedicated phone with great features and low cost. Best of all they can now use their cell phones as extensions of the home or office phone. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
I'll have to look around and see if I can find it. insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Um. Where do you get the 1k figure from? I have seen articles mentioning a price point around 100.00. Charles Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Ours does. G.711 makes 'em happy. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Marlon, How has your Netsapiens deployment going? are you starting with the hosted platform? On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 11:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
I had Vonage for 4 years and Fax was more miss than hit. During testing, and now that we pored the office lines to VoX, it's been 100% hit. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
We haven't tried the fax on Vox yet. It has had some problems on our network for customers, but not sure if that's not just wireless... On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Joe Fiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Vonage for 4 years and Fax was more miss than hit. During testing, and now that we pored the office lines to VoX, it's been 100% hit. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
I meant...we haven't used vox fax at the office yet...but some customers have tried. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:37 PM, John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We haven't tried the fax on Vox yet. It has had some problems on our network for customers, but not sure if that's not just wireless... On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Joe Fiero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had Vonage for 4 years and Fax was more miss than hit. During testing, and now that we pored the office lines to VoX, it's been 100% hit. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Fax machines don't run over VoIP either. They just don't, T.38 doesn't really work. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Businesses cannot run on cell phones. Nor can fax machines. Voip is cheaper than cell service. The quality is better. People like their old numbers and don't want to port them to cell. Voip does not run out of batteries or fade in and out if you go to the basement. Voip doesn't have the arguable threat of causing you brain cancer. Real telephones are more comfortable to use. Lots of reasons. - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:49 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
We use a hybrid approach, asterisk for many things, and a Vox like company (it may even be Vox, not sure as I just approve the payments, Bryan is the one that vetted the company). Our VoiP system is form fit and function equivalent to a wired telephone from Qwest. We even port their Qwest number to our system and do E-911 in the same way. - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious Charles, We tried that back in January and it wasn't available at the time. Not to mention their new voip project manager began quoting us prices like $15000 because he had no idea what else was out there (vox, etc.) Despite the pricing not being anywhere near as good as Vox, the service was not acceptable to us here in Alabama. Vox's service has been continually above par. We've had no problems and absolutely no complaints with their service. We had a few issues with latency on the Alianza/PowerCode system. Furthermore, and with all due respect to their platform, I've never experienced a clear call with PC nor a subscriber of theirs using the Alianza service who lives in California. I've had others admit this as well...so I know it isn't my network. The real issue is that we made a choice, we like the choice, and we're sticking with it until we are ever dissatisfied with it. I don't see us being dissatisfied if the service continues the way it is. I feel like it is unfortunate for those of us in this small industry who like choices that PowerCode has decided to try to corner the market with a strategic partnership with Alianza. I really wish they would stick to what they do best, make money off of their software. Then it would be a win win for everyone. As it is, we'll see how the success of this all in one wisp/voip provider in a box works out for PC. Usually it works best for people to focus, instead of trying to be all things to all people. I'm young, but I've already learned that lesson in business. Joe Fiero of NuTel Broadband wrote this earlier, I think he feels the same wayvery disappointed: John, We tested with and subsequently signed on with VoX early this year. Excellent white label service. Call quality is consistently excellent, no issues with dropped calls, great pricing ( they offer a WISPA members discount). You can be up and running with them in about 30 days. However, they do not offer a billing solution, but they do provide an FTP site that can be swept by a billing server for call and account records. ' With respect to the number of lines, we are at a very low number because we made a poor choice concerning our billing. We purchased ImageStream routers with the intent of running a very popular wireless billing/BMU that they consider a technology partner. I spoke at length with the software company, let's call them PC, back in November/December. At the time I was assured they could integrate any VoIP service into their billing. So I signed on with them on December 11, 2007. As of yesterday I was told they can't be bothered to complete the integration with VoX because VoX will not partner with them. Translation, they want to bill us for VoIP services as they are doing now with a few others. Somewhere along the way, PC went from being a software company to wanting to be a VoIP reseller and dictate terms to the industry as to who we should be using. I can't even begin to calculate how much revenue we lost in this debacle, but I make the decisions as to who I choose to use as a vendor, not another vendor. We are currently bringing this to an end with what so far appears to be a very knowledgeable billing company that feels they can have this done in just a few weeks, including integration with a BMU. The team at VoX told me months ago I was being strung along by PC, but I stuck it out based on their reputation, and felt they would meet their commitment. Of course I felt I had no choice due to the tie in with the ImageStream routers. I know this integration was discussed a short time ago on this list and there was some concern about all this integration that it would start to limit the choices for WISP operators. I believe this is a perfect example. Joe Fiero NuTel Broadband Corporation Carson City, Nevada So Charles, to answer your question: We are looking for a billing system that will integrate with the Voice provider we've chosen, and are happy with. I have a slight disdain for the choices that PowerCode has made in the direction of its voip business because it is trying to monopolize the industry. I hope it doesn't work out for the sake of the industry. I feel that PowerCode is doing more harm for WISPs in its selfish ambition. In the end, I believe they will find that they have spent and wasted more time and money
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
I chose a local company for the bulk of my VoIP services. Currently I don't even look at the CDRs because I know my current customers aren't going to go over. However, as soon as I get my new office ready, I'll be getting a Freeside billing server from Jeremy Davis that will cover ALL my billing and provisioning needs. Because it's open source and Jeremy Davis has been recommended by everyone I know that has used him, I have no doubts it'll work as I imagine. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA Board Members List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious I want to know who or what you've chosen as your voip provider, and what you are using for billing? The good, the bad and in between. -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
We don't care about CDRs as we give an all you can eat long distance feature. We will look at the totals month by month to see if we are making out OK or loosing our shirt. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious I chose a local company for the bulk of my VoIP services. Currently I don't even look at the CDRs because I know my current customers aren't going to go over. However, as soon as I get my new office ready, I'll be getting a Freeside billing server from Jeremy Davis that will cover ALL my billing and provisioning needs. Because it's open source and Jeremy Davis has been recommended by everyone I know that has used him, I have no doubts it'll work as I imagine. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA Board Members List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious I want to know who or what you've chosen as your voip provider, and what you are using for billing? The good, the bad and in between. -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
We don't care about CDRs as we give an all you can eat long distance feature. We will look at the totals month by month to see if we are making out OK or loosing our shirt. If that is the case then about any billing solution can handle your needs. Out of curiosity does Vox charge extra for international calls or are they disabled? Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
International is disables, but can be activated. If you have the ability to bill it, they provide rate tables. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeremy Davis Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 4:14 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious We don't care about CDRs as we give an all you can eat long distance feature. We will look at the totals month by month to see if we are making out OK or loosing our shirt. If that is the case then about any billing solution can handle your needs. Out of curiosity does Vox charge extra for international calls or are they disabled? Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
Whoever it is we are using charges extra for the intl calls. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious We don't care about CDRs as we give an all you can eat long distance feature. We will look at the totals month by month to see if we are making out OK or loosing our shirt. If that is the case then about any billing solution can handle your needs. Out of curiosity does Vox charge extra for international calls or are they disabled? Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
On Aug 9, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: We use a hybrid approach, asterisk for many things, and a Vox like company (it may even be Vox, not sure as I just approve the payments, Bryan is the one that vetted the company). Our VoiP system is form fit and function equivalent to a wired telephone from Qwest. We even port their Qwest number to our system and do E-911 in the same way. XO does the inbound, ZCorum does the outbound. Both providers talk SIP to our switching equipment; customers hang off Asterisk (which is tethered to the switches via SIP). Gives all of our customers the best of both (IP PSTN) worlds. Billing, as already mentioned, is simplistic with an all-you-can-eat approach. Our switches provide the CDRs, as does ZCorum, so we can check things if it gets a little hairy. -- Bryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
Whoever it is we are using charges extra for the intl calls. Then to some extent, you do need to checkout CDR records. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
Not sure if we are offering intl. I think we decided to sell them phone cards if they want intl. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious Whoever it is we are using charges extra for the intl calls. Then to some extent, you do need to checkout CDR records. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
We're just getting started with it. We're going mostly with (keeping another company or two in mind if things don't work out for us) Netsapians. So far they've been good to work with and they have a product that I think I can sell. I still think, in the end, voip will be about as big as muni wifi. That is to say, MOST people will go cell phone for voice. Not voip in any form from any company. Why do most of us need multiple personal phone lines Businesses will likely be different. But I'm not sure that the price wars are over. Doesn't look like there's gonna be much money in MOST services on the internet. The money for those on this list will continue to be transport. marlon - Original Message - From: John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Motorola Canopy User Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] VoIP deployments?
Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP deployments?
John, We tested with and subsequently signed on with VoX early this year. Excellent white label service. Call quality is consistently excellent, no issues with dropped calls, great pricing ( they offer a WISPA members discount). You can be up and running with them in about 30 days. However, they do not offer a billing solution, but they do provide an FTP site that can be swept by a billing server for call and account records. ' With respect to the number of lines, we are at a very low number because we made a poor choice concerning our billing. We purchased ImageStream routers with the intent of running a very popular wireless billing/BMU that they consider a technology partner. I spoke at length with the software company, let's call them PC, back in November/December. At the time I was assured they could integrate any VoIP service into their billing. So I signed on with them on December 11, 2007. As of yesterday I was told they can't be bothered to complete the integration with VoX because VoX will not partner with them. Translation, they want to bill us for VoIP services as they are doing now with a few others. Somewhere along the way, PC went from being a software company to wanting to be a VoIP reseller and dictate terms to the industry as to who we should be using. I can't even begin to calculate how much revenue we lost in this debacle, but I make the decisions as to who I choose to use as a vendor, not another vendor. We are currently bringing this to an end with what so far appears to be a very knowledgeable billing company that feels they can have this done in just a few weeks, including integration with a BMU. The team at VoX told me months ago I was being strung along by PC, but I stuck it out based on their reputation, and felt they would meet their commitment. Of course I felt I had no choice due to the tie in with the ImageStream routers. I know this integration was discussed a short time ago on this list and there was some concern about all this integration that it would start to limit the choices for WISP operators. I believe this is a perfect example. Joe Fiero NuTel Broadband Corporation Carson City, Nevada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 3:59 PM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] VoIP deployments? Anyone care to give some pithy comments on white label voip product launches? Who did you choose? How many customers do you have? How are you billing? -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
I want to know who or what you've chosen as your voip provider, and what you are using for billing? The good, the bad and in between. -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
Um. That's not going to get any responses. You are asking a very open ended question, which is hard enough to answer. You are looking for strategic consulting services. By sending a second message and demanding answers you collopase the small pool of people who would have answered your original query. Also thia isn't a voip list. Voip is a big field and many wonderful resources exist that can provide far better assistance. If you have a specific question regarding voip performance or any other specific deployment problems on a wireless network, then your query would most likely get a response. Charles Wyble --Original Message-- From: John McDowell Sender: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List To: Motorola Canopy User Group To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA Board Members List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Sent: Aug 8, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious I want to know who or what you've chosen as your voip provider, and what you are using for billing? The good, the bad and in between. -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
Not asking for strategic consulting services...sorry. Asking for real-world feedback from operators who have deployed voip on their networks, and their experiences with the vendors they chose, as well as their billing platforms. On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um. That's not going to get any responses. You are asking a very open ended question, which is hard enough to answer. You are looking for strategic consulting services. By sending a second message and demanding answers you collopase the small pool of people who would have answered your original query. Also thia isn't a voip list. Voip is a big field and many wonderful resources exist that can provide far better assistance. If you have a specific question regarding voip performance or any other specific deployment problems on a wireless network, then your query would most likely get a response. Charles Wyble --Original Message-- From: John McDowell Sender: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List To: Motorola Canopy User Group To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA Board Members List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Sent: Aug 8, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious I want to know who or what you've chosen as your voip provider, and what you are using for billing? The good, the bad and in between. -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
Asking for real-world feedback from operators who have deployed voip on their networks, and their experiences with the vendors they chose, as well as their billing platforms. We trunk with vitelity.net. The prices are not too bad unless you are in an expensive rate center. If not it is still profitable, but harder to make a dime on unlimited type services. We use freeside for our billing and provisioning. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Jeremy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asking for real-world feedback from operators who have deployed voip on their networks, and their experiences with the vendors they chose, as well as their billing platforms. We trunk with vitelity.net. The prices are not too bad unless you are in an expensive rate center. If not it is still profitable, but harder to make a dime on unlimited type services. We use freeside for our billing and provisioning. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
Think I messed up that reply... I think that's great. We spoke with Freeside today about VoIP billing. I think there is a board member named Matt that uses Vox with Freeside. Maybe he will see this and chime in? Are you using the Freeside Asterisk server? On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Jeremy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asking for real-world feedback from operators who have deployed voip on their networks, and their experiences with the vendors they chose, as well as their billing platforms. We trunk with vitelity.net. The prices are not too bad unless you are in an expensive rate center. If not it is still profitable, but harder to make a dime on unlimited type services. We use freeside for our billing and provisioning. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
Are you using the Freeside Asterisk server? Nope. We are currently using Trixbox. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
John, I was under the impression that PowerCode (the billing platform you use) has some sort of VoIP Partnership plan? Why not just go with them? -Charles From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 5:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious Think I messed up that reply... I think that's great. We spoke with Freeside today about VoIP billing. I think there is a board member named Matt that uses Vox with Freeside. Maybe he will see this and chime in? Are you using the Freeside Asterisk server? On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Jeremy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asking for real-world feedback from operators who have deployed voip on their networks, and their experiences with the vendors they chose, as well as their billing platforms. We trunk with vitelity.net. The prices are not too bad unless you are in an expensive rate center. If not it is still profitable, but harder to make a dime on unlimited type services. We use freeside for our billing and provisioning. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] VoIP Deployments....I'm serious
General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP DeploymentsI'm serious Think I messed up that reply... I think that's great. We spoke with Freeside today about VoIP billing. I think there is a board member named Matt that uses Vox with Freeside. Maybe he will see this and chime in? Are you using the Freeside Asterisk server? On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Jeremy Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Asking for real-world feedback from operators who have deployed voip on their networks, and their experiences with the vendors they chose, as well as their billing platforms. We trunk with vitelity.net. The prices are not too bad unless you are in an expensive rate center. If not it is still profitable, but harder to make a dime on unlimited type services. We use freeside for our billing and provisioning. Sincerely, Jeremy Davis Maximum Technologies, LLC Office 318.303.4725 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED], and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
