RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Thanks Marlon. We (IntraMeta) will be at ISPCON at Booth 501-N. If anyone wants to take a quick test drive we will be happy to give you a demo. We do much more than just mail however. If anyone has a specific feature or BOSS module they have questions about you can message me off-list and set up a time to meet in Orlando. Regards, Kris Efland IntraMeta Corporation t. 214.466.2022 f. 972.231.7022 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:26 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: Keith Willis; Kris R Efland Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Our mail server is problem free. Keith at Talon built it for us. For spam and virus' we use Postini. I'm also looking at BOSS. http://intrameta.com/ Very close to the WNoc system I was involved in years ago. I've been talking to them for quite a while, I'm pretty impressed. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
you are right. I will have to come there, cus this poor state is trying to outlaw the ar 15 and others... Now that you mention it, i know a friend that has an AR 15... that sounds really cooll.The smiley face would look pretty cool with that... thanks Marlon - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than a few big ones in a couple of minutes! big grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it. I would lose that if I sold it. So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost the video for you all to see. I will call it barracuda hunting... lol - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :) My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware, it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more, as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software RAID.) If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good home for it (that has nothing to do with email). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
We want pictures! Seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnxKJqmtITE Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email you are right. I will have to come there, cus this poor state is trying to outlaw the ar 15 and others... Now that you mention it, i know a friend that has an AR 15... that sounds really cooll.The smiley face would look pretty cool with that... thanks Marlon - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than a few big ones in a couple of minutes! big grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it. I would lose that if I sold it. So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost the video for you all to see. I will call it barracuda hunting... lol - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :) My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware, it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more, as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software RAID.) If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good home for it (that has nothing to do with email). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Marlon, It is doubtfull I will be able to top that, but I will have to try. that was great... - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email We want pictures! Seen this yet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnxKJqmtITE Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email you are right. I will have to come there, cus this poor state is trying to outlaw the ar 15 and others... Now that you mention it, i know a friend that has an AR 15... that sounds really cooll.The smiley face would look pretty cool with that... thanks Marlon - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than a few big ones in a couple of minutes! big grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it. I would lose that if I sold it. So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost the video for you all to see. I will call it barracuda hunting... lol - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :) My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware, it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more, as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software RAID.) If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good home for it (that has nothing to do with email). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Frank - Muto had a very valid reason to whin as you say it. Muto pays WISPA a good amount of $$ to be a Vendor Member of WISPA. Dee has contributed nothing other then for his own personal gain. For Dee to make an appology and then change his signature to reflect another free plug was a bit out of line I think. Either way, paying members are what are going to get things done for our organization. If a vendor is going to support us financially, then we need to stand behind them and support them in anyway possible as an organization. And if that means slapping the hands of vendors that don't pay, when they get out of line, then so be it. I don't feel Rick, George, Muto was immature or out of line in bringing this to as someone said the rubber meets the road. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Frank Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee apoligies, Muto dis's the apology. Very mature guy's. - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop acting like one. Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well and good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion. Apology not accepted. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller Imagestream Router WAN Cards Force10 Networks Reseller - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
I think Dee's input was greatly relevant to the thread. It wasn't a random post. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
You are right Johnny, I was not trying to be harsh, but I right to the point. As a member of the WISPA Board of Directors, you all should know that if you are a paying WISPA member I'm going to cover your back and give you as much benefit as possible. Membership has privilege. If you are a paying member of WISPA, then I'm going to back you all the way. Frank pays a 1,000.00 per year membership. He also has funded FCC trips at 500.00 per pop for those going to CALEA meetings. Aside from that he has given WISPA very expensive booth space at ISPCON, bought refreshments for the WISPA gathering and offered to buy any wisps 250.00 WISPA membership that bought his product. Nobody else has gone this far and he ain't a wisp or selling wireless anything. He just believes in our organization and sells a product that many can use to offload overhead. Dee is also a good guy, but he's not exactly paying dues of any kind. He could buy an inexpensive membership to help support this organization, but has not. But he is here and on the other lists to let you all know he is a distributor if a couple of products. I don't really have a problem with that but dues paying members come first. I say if it comes down to making a paying member happy or letting the paying member get his toes stepped on by a non paying member, I have to side with the paying member. After all that is the least WISPA can do to give back to those that support us. George JohnnyO wrote: Frank - Muto had a very valid reason to whin as you say it. Muto pays WISPA a good amount of $$ to be a Vendor Member of WISPA. Dee has contributed nothing other then for his own personal gain. For Dee to make an appology and then change his signature to reflect another free plug was a bit out of line I think. Either way, paying members are what are going to get things done for our organization. If a vendor is going to support us financially, then we need to stand behind them and support them in anyway possible as an organization. And if that means slapping the hands of vendors that don't pay, when they get out of line, then so be it. I don't feel Rick, George, Muto was immature or out of line in bringing this to as someone said the rubber meets the road. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Frank Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee apoligies, Muto dis's the apology. Very mature guy's. - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop acting like one. Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well and good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion. Apology not accepted. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller Imagestream Router WAN Cards Force10 Networks Reseller - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Our mail server is problem free. Keith at Talon built it for us. For spam and virus' we use Postini. I'm also looking at BOSS. http://intrameta.com/ Very close to the WNoc system I was involved in years ago. I've been talking to them for quite a while, I'm pretty impressed. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Ross, you need to come up here and use my AR-15 to do the shooting Much more fun to blow 30 small holes though the POS in a few seconds than a few big ones in a couple of minutes! big grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I appreciate it, but the financial side of it has my attention. .It is truly a depreciable asset as long As I own it. I would lose that if I sold it. So, i will still shoot it... and place it in a trophy case and thenpost the video for you all to see. I will call it barracuda hunting... lol - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :) My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware, it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more, as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software RAID.) If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good home for it (that has nothing to do with email). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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John Scrivner wrote: Very good points George. Frank has definitely worked hard to show his support of WISPA and deserves our gratitude for sure. Frank, we all thank you for everything you have done and continue to do for WISPA. You are a friend to our organization and we appreciate you very much. Just so you guys all know. I see that Dee has sent in his application for Vendor Membership to WISPA. He is not paid up yet but it appears he is taking steps to put his money where his mouth is. Alls well that ends well.:-) Scriv I never once doubted Dee's integrity. He has been around us for many years and contributed to the betterment of our industry. I'm glad he is taking this approach and helping support WISPA. There is nothing worse than those who take and never give. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Be offended about what? How much someone is charging for Anti SPAM service using a Barracuda? The Barracuda's are fixed cost based on the device type, so the prices should be competitive. Barracuda Networks used to do 100 mailboxes for $100 per month, I think. John JohnnyO wrote: www.datapipe.com - you'll pay about $79.99/mo for unlimited domains and email addresses. I will more then likely offend a few people here but I've asked several people here that have their own Barracuda's for quotes and noone can seem to touch the price I have been paying for 7+ yrs. I suppose their costs are much higher and are trying to recoup it on a low volume as opposed to the larger mail / hosting outfits. Datapipe uses the Iron Port appliance and they also ANSWER their phone 24/7/365... You get a live person, not some automated system and I actually called them this past year on Christmas with an issue I had with a domain. Hit me up off-list if you want more information or input concerning this. Regards, JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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will do, no problems here... Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid policy then it was worth putting in their agreement. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid policy then it was worth putting in their agreement. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Ok. It is final. You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect Barracuda to license it. I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just that. I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and he told me they try to tell everyone. I will tell you this I wasn't told. $2500 later it isn't worth a dime. I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to be resold. They told me it wasn't policy to do this. I look at it as this is how they are protecting their margins on new sales. No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Oh, he did mention that it is still a functioning server if I wanted to use as such. Anyway, end of thread for me. I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one. Stay with it for 3 years or you lost your investment. Thanks for the headsup on this guys. Now we know. I hope I stuck to the facts with no rumor or bad info. Ross - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and licensing and lease it to a third party. Maybe get some roi anyway. Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Cornett Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ok. It is final. You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect Barracuda to license it. I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just that. I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and he told me they try to tell everyone. I will tell you this I wasn't told. $2500 later it isn't worth a dime. I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to be resold. They told me it wasn't policy to do this. I look at it as this is how they are protecting their margins on new sales. No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Oh, he did mention that it is still a functioning server if I wanted to use as such. Anyway, end of thread for me. I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one. Stay with it for 3 years or you lost your investment. Thanks for the headsup on this guys. Now we know. I hope I stuck to the facts with no rumor or bad info. Ross - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
their 2 concerns I noted are their margins and their liability of customer data being passed onto the buyer and puting a companies data at risk and be sued.. They fear being sued because of the data that this box captures, they made the box, so they are liable for it. Kind of like a gun manufacturer, match manufacturers, knife manufacturers...and so on...get their paranoid view yet, when it can all be managed by wipeing or replaceing a hard drive... oh well... They will not budge on this. I told them I would inform the industry and it will impact their future sales I am certain. Ross - Original Message - From: Brandon Brownlee [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:46 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email You may consider leasing the server? Perhaps you can deal with support and licensing and lease it to a third party. Maybe get some roi anyway. Brandon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Cornett Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ok. It is final. You cannot resell your Barracuda box to anyone and expect Barracuda to license it. I just spoke with a VP of sales and he said just that. I told him that they should tell people this when they buy them and he told me they try to tell everyone. I will tell you this I wasn't told. $2500 later it isn't worth a dime. I did ask why they cannot refurb the machine for a fee and then allow it to be resold. They told me it wasn't policy to do this. I look at it as this is how they are protecting their margins on new sales. No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Oh, he did mention that it is still a functioning server if I wanted to use as such. Anyway, end of thread for me. I just want you all to know this if you consider purchasing one. Stay with it for 3 years or you lost your investment. Thanks for the headsup on this guys. Now we know. I hope I stuck to the facts with no rumor or bad info. Ross - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is what I originally stated might offend some of the barracuda owners here. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid policy then it was worth putting in their agreement. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track
RE: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Cisco? *ducking and running away in a serpentine fashion* -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 12:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Like Microsoft? If you read user agreements, you will find that many software vendors do not allow license transfer. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Mike Hammett wrote: I'd refuse to do business with a company like that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off their oxigen. Had to go back to postini. So, if you are interrested email me off list. I will make you a deal Fair warning for anyone who's interested in this: Check with Barracuda first, to be sure you can actually do this. A few months back, I picked up a used Barracuda Spam Firewall on eBay, and they wouldn't activate it or provide me service, as it was second-hand. There were other odd circumstances involving this particular unit, but I got the impression that they don't like dealing with used units, period. Call Barracuda, make sure this won't be a problem. (You may want to get the serial number of the unit first, as that's how they track update subscriptions and whatnot.) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
http://www.altn.com/ offers Mdaemon, an in-house email platform. I have personaly been using it for 6 years and am very happy with its anti-spam and anti-virus capability. It also has the option for a groupware addon that gives it a exchange shared folders type of use. I'll attach the last weekly report of what it handled as far as spam and viruses, this particular server services about 1400 accounts, open with wordpad. Also, note that the spam rejected is what was determined spam before the bayesian filter is even used. (blacklisted ip's, known spam ip's, hosts that their domain keys don't match, quite a few other things. The spam accepted tells what got determined spam after it was read through the Bayesian filtering, and subsequently, placed in the users Junk-Mail folder available via web mail or IMAP. It does the job, and does it very well. I *Might* get 2 messages that are spam and about 1 false positive a month. I like being able to troubleshoot a problem when it's in my server room rather in a data center, but I rarely have any problems. Outsourcing = no control. Zack On 5/16/07, W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: JohnnyO [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 08:37:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Barracuda should offer a buy back option for people who purchase directly from them then. This don't make sense - It basically takes a peice of equipment and renders it absolutely useless if you choose not to use it any longer.. Very Very Very crappy approach to doing business and I guess now that it is public - it's going to cost them more with their stupid policy then it was worth putting in their agreement. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Well, my first contact to Barracuda was exactly that. I am diggin in deeper to better understand their policy. But, they did tell me they will not support a device that they did not sell directly. Wow, that is hidden deep into their users agreement. Since you have to agree to it to use it, you are bound by it... I will update the list if I find any better answer. Ross - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email I think what Dave was trying to make a point about was that folks at Barracuda acted as if selling used hardware to others may not allow the new owner to purchase updates, maintenance, etc. Dave talked to them, I did not. The impression was that they would not support second-hand hardware. It might be a good idea for you, Ross, to make a call to Barracuda and see what the terms would be for update support for a new owner of this unit before you sell it. At least then you would be able to tell a new potential owner what to expect as far as costs to continue support for the unit. The Barracuda units do work but if you do not buy support agreements for updates and such then it is useless. The unit can be good as new and not worth a nickel if the manufacturer will not support it with new spam and virus signature updates. There is no way you would know any of this, Ross. We have had a bad experience with Barracuda regarding used hardware. That was all that was being cautioned here. If you find out what the terms are for transferring used hardware to new owners I would like to know what you find. Scriv Ross Cornett wrote: understand... THis is in great shape. WE used it for 2 months... couldn't stand the cryout from the customers that were so used to Postini. thanks. - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: I have a barracuda for sale if anyone is interrested off list. Switched from Postini to Barracuda and it was like I turned off
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it. (I'm serious.) If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server. David Smith MVNnet -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is what I originally stated might offend some of the barracuda owners here. The costs vary, of course. If you're a very small outfit (with only a few hundred email addresses), outsourcing is probably more cost-effective. Larger outfits may benefit from doing things in-house. I once crunched the numbers, and our Barracuda is saving my boss several hundred a month over Postini (and that included a WISPA-specific discount), but we're juggling a few thousand email addresses. Sometimes it's the other way around, of course. Really, the only way to be sure of what's going on for you is to talk to a couple vendors and see what's best for your company. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Ross - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it. (I'm serious.) If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server. David Smith MVNnet -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Ross, Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller, please contact them if you haven't yet. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:23:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Ross - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it. (I'm serious.) If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server. David Smith MVNnet -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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David E. Smith wrote: JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is why I can't consider an outsourced email plan. Aside from a couple thousand email accounts, I also offer imap and have an unlimited quota to quite a few subs that use their imap feature to hold emails or to send very large files. Makes it hard when outsourced has these limits to work around. But I'm sure there are many who could benefit from outsourced mail. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Butch Evans wrote: On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). Okay, sixty dollars, but that's my final offer. :) My point really was that, since the Barracuda is just PC hardware, it's not a total loss (and probably not worth shooting). Even if you don't want to filter email with it, it still has some value. (From what I know of how they're built, I'd guess a recent Barracuda 400, which retails for about $4000, is probably worth $1000 or so from the hardware included. Paradoxically, the older ones are probably worth a bit more, as they had a hardware RAID controller instead of using Linux software RAID.) If you really were gonna shoot it (and that wasn't just a gesture of frustration), seriously, between Butch Evans and I, we'll find a good home for it (that has nothing to do with email). David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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George Rogato wrote: David E. Smith wrote: JohnnyO wrote: Dee - that is just it though - The quotes you gave me as well as other Barracuda owners, was about 3X the amount someone should be paying for this type of service through a larger Web/Email hosting firm. This is why I can't consider an outsourced email plan. Aside from a couple thousand email accounts, I also offer imap and have an unlimited quota to quite a few subs that use their imap feature to hold emails or to send very large files. Makes it hard when outsourced has these limits to work around. But I'm sure there are many who could benefit from outsourced mail. George Do any of you offer Blackberry open source like open x-change or funambol? -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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straight from Barracuda - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross, Who did you buy that unit from? If you boaught it from a reseller, please contact them if you haven't yet. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:23:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Ross - Original Message - From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Ross Cornett wrote: No buy back no resale, no good, but I will have fun when I take my .270 and try to paint a smiley face on it from 200 yards away. Dude, I'll totally give you fifty bucks for it. (I'm serious.) If you're not interested in using it as a Barracuda, hey, it's still a decent 1U rackmount PC. Pop it open, connect a CD or DVD drive, install your favorite Linux or BSD, call it a server. David Smith MVNnet -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I have it on a 3 year amort so I would have to have at least $500 for it I can still shoot it and keep it on my shelf as an asset...If I sell it I loose the depreciation from the books...LOL - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email On Wed, 16 May 2007, Ross Cornett wrote: NOpe... worth more to me to shoot it... Not wanting to start a bidding war, but where do you draw that line? I may have a use for it, too (assuming the price is not too much). -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I do have to agree with Frank here. Dee, please contact the WISPA board if you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list, especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.I'm sure each product has a place or a niche that works for some and doesn't work for others. There is no reason for one vendor to be slamming another on the WISPA lists. If you wish to become a vendor member, please go to http://signup.wispa.org, then you will be able to send advertisements to the list members and support our industry at the same time. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frank Muto Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Frank, you are right on Dee, you owe Frank Muto an immediate apology. Frank is a paid WISPA vendor member and has supported WISPA efforts in so many ways that no other vendor or wireless member has come close to. You Dee, have been on the various wireless lists for many years and you fully understand the ramifications of your blatant advertizing post, which aside from being sneaky also bashes a WISPA member. So the two things you need to do, is apologize to Frank and buy a membership or do not post any more advetizing baloney again. If you don't apologize to Frank, you will be quickly removed. I regret having to take this approach, but you Dee know the rules and this is where the rubber hits the road. George Frank Muto wrote: As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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You were a bit nicer than I was Rick, and I actually like Dee. George Rick Harnish wrote: I do have to agree with Frank here. Dee, please contact the WISPA board if you plan on promoting your sales position with Barracuda on this list, especially at the expense of a paying Vendor member.I'm sure each product has a place or a niche that works for some and doesn't work for others. There is no reason for one vendor to be slamming another on the WISPA lists. If you wish to become a vendor member, please go to http://signup.wispa.org, then you will be able to send advertisements to the list members and support our industry at the same time. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller Imagestream Router WAN Cards Force10 Networks Reseller - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in paying for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop acting like one. Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well and good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion. Apology not accepted. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Hi Frank, I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda. If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller Imagestream Router WAN Cards Force10 Networks Reseller - Original Message - From: Frank Muto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I take offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I looked on the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a logo displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner Reseller www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks, As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out of dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It varies on which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get. We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have them, so it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the experienced walk with a limp) We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail for WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution. Cheers, -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
Be offended about what? How much someone is charging for Anti SPAM service using a Barracuda? The Barracuda's are fixed cost based on the device type, so the prices should be competitive. Barracuda Networks used to do 100 mailboxes for $100 per month, I think. John JohnnyO wrote: www.datapipe.com - you'll pay about $79.99/mo for unlimited domains and email addresses. I will more then likely offend a few people here but I've asked several people here that have their own Barracuda's for quotes and noone can seem to touch the price I have been paying for 7+ yrs. I suppose their costs are much higher and are trying to recoup it on a low volume as opposed to the larger mail / hosting outfits. Datapipe uses the Iron Port appliance and they also ANSWER their phone 24/7/365... You get a live person, not some automated system and I actually called them this past year on Christmas with an issue I had with a domain. Hit me up off-list if you want more information or input concerning this. Regards, JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? Thanks Everybody.net does outsourced email. I think Frank Muto is starting secure email (I don't know if it is outsourced). Funambol works with Exchange, Domino, IMAP and POP e-*mail* servers. Funambol is an open source alternative to Blackberry. -- Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Peter R. wrote: Everybody.net does outsourced email. Assuming you mean everyone.net (everybody.net points to an outfit in Norway), just say no. Their mail servers are on a lot of spam blacklists both public and private, because they used to make a lot of money from free email for your domain setups. Spammers would take advantage of that, creating a truckload of free accounts to send spam from. (They made money from showing ads on the Webmail interface, of course.) I've had personal experience on this. I used to have a couple personal domains' email hosted by them, and it was basically impossible to send email out from their Web interface, as so many recipients would refuse to accept it. And they still owe me $150 from ad sales they refuse to pay... For a small outfit, Hotmail and Google both have free hosted email for domain names. (They may not have all the features the OP was looking for, but you can't beat the price...) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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We don't use Exchane even though it's powerful, way to many holes for the wrong folks. But run a better verion of MTA that has all the bells and whistles. Lot's of users around the globe. Hit me up off-list if you want more info. -Dee Alaska Wireless Systems 1(907)240-2183 Cell 1(907)349-2226 Fax 1(907)349-4308 Office www.akwireless.net - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:12:41 -0800 Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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You may want to look into IMAP for mobile communications. We have a 3-way bundle we are officially launching at ISPCON that provides IMAP, POP3 and Web Mail. You can use one or all of the services for one price. If you are there, check us out or give me a shout directly. Frank Muto President FSM Marketing Group, Inc Postini Partner www.SecureEmailPlus.com ISPCON Spring 2007 May 23-25 in Orlando, FL. LaunchPad Pavilion J WISPA Sponsoring Vendor - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
www.datapipe.com - you'll pay about $79.99/mo for unlimited domains and email addresses. I will more then likely offend a few people here but I've asked several people here that have their own Barracuda's for quotes and noone can seem to touch the price I have been paying for 7+ yrs. I suppose their costs are much higher and are trying to recoup it on a low volume as opposed to the larger mail / hosting outfits. Datapipe uses the Iron Port appliance and they also ANSWER their phone 24/7/365... You get a live person, not some automated system and I actually called them this past year on Christmas with an issue I had with a domain. Hit me up off-list if you want more information or input concerning this. Regards, JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 5:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email Currently we do in-house email. We always have one problem or another with our old IMail server ,plus dealing with a spam server and antivirus... We have about 15 domains we currently host, about 150 users. Is it cost effective to outsource something this small? Also on a similar note, does anyone know of a free Exchange host out there that will download pop3 mail and Direct Push to my mobile phone? Thanks -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
