Re: [WISPA] canopy 7.2.9 sw in pk2 format
pkg3 is fine On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: The other is pkg3, don't have any others sorry Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 31, 2014 10:34 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Same thing. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: How about this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/blkk8xxs8ywo0ms/7.2.9.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2014 10:05 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: When I try to unzip this file I get a corrupt header error. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fhe3wuq2dacek/7.2.9_pkg2.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 27, 2014 7:45 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a copy of this handy? Thanks in advance. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] canopy 7.2.9 sw in pk2 format
Same thing. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: How about this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/blkk8xxs8ywo0ms/7.2.9.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2014 10:05 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: When I try to unzip this file I get a corrupt header error. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fhe3wuq2dacek/7.2.9_pkg2.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 27, 2014 7:45 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a copy of this handy? Thanks in advance. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] canopy 7.2.9 sw in pk2 format
The other is pkg3, don't have any others sorry Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 31, 2014 10:34 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Same thing. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: How about this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/blkk8xxs8ywo0ms/7.2.9.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2014 10:05 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: When I try to unzip this file I get a corrupt header error. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fhe3wuq2dacek/7.2.9_pkg2.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 27, 2014 7:45 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a copy of this handy? Thanks in advance. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] canopy 7.2.9 sw in pk2 format
When I try to unzip this file I get a corrupt header error. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fhe3wuq2dacek/7.2.9_pkg2.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 27, 2014 7:45 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a copy of this handy? Thanks in advance. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] canopy 7.2.9 sw in pk2 format
How about this? https://www.dropbox.com/s/blkk8xxs8ywo0ms/7.2.9.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 28, 2014 10:05 AM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: When I try to unzip this file I get a corrupt header error. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fhe3wuq2dacek/7.2.9_pkg2.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 27, 2014 7:45 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a copy of this handy? Thanks in advance. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] canopy 7.2.9 sw in pk2 format
https://www.dropbox.com/s/m4fhe3wuq2dacek/7.2.9_pkg2.zip?dl=0 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 27, 2014 7:45 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have a copy of this handy? Thanks in advance. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] canopy interface issue
I actually have that happening with one of my APs, but it only has one person on it. Just started happening when I put up a different bh to the site. On Sep 17, 2014 8:04 AM, heith wi...@mncomm.com wrote: Last week we had to replace a canopy AP due to some unknown failure. The new one seems to work fine however on both sessions lists a majority of the users do not show a name. Of course I cannot click into those subscribers from the session lists as well. I can key into them via a private address. I know I need to update the radio, was kind of a rush job. Below is a shot of what its showing me. I assume that I will need to do an update one at a time for each radio, I am a little behind on our canopy updates in some places. I am a little scared to do it considering the circumstances. Thanks Heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] canopy interface issue
I see this from time to time using a different channel or if the encryption isn't really set right. - Original Message - From: heith To: 'WISPA General List' Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:04 AM Subject: [WISPA] canopy interface issue Last week we had to replace a canopy AP due to some unknown failure. The new one seems to work fine however on both sessions lists a majority of the users do not show a name. Of course I cannot click into those subscribers from the session lists as well. I can key into them via a private address. I know I need to update the radio, was kind of a rush job. Below is a shot of what its showing me. I assume that I will need to do an update one at a time for each radio, I am a little behind on our canopy updates in some places. I am a little scared to do it considering the circumstances. Thanks Heith -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] CANOPY PMP 430:
Just go for the PMP450. Same price, double the performance. Plus the 450 is cambium's focus. The 430 will be going away Sean On Tuesday, April 22, 2014, Art Stephens asteph...@ptera.com wrote: Looking for feed back before buying. The site says 50MB/sector - 200MB/Tower I assume the tower one is four of these GPS sync together. So if we need to do 5M down by 5M up per sub what would be the distance - number of subs per Sector. It appears the 50MB/sector is for 5 mile maximum LOS but how many subs? Simple math is 50 divided by 5 so we can safely have 10 per sector. I say that because we have gone past the days of just browsing and sending/receiving emails/files. Today's internet usage is steaming streaming streaming. And at the same time seems we can no longer go 10 to 20 miles that we used to. I heard these are not cheap units and want to make sure we spend the money for best performance. -- Arthur Stephens Senior Networking Technician Ptera Inc. PO Box 135 24001 E Mission Suite 50 Liberty Lake, WA 99019 509-927-7837 ptera.com facebook.com/PteraInc | twitter.com/Ptera - This message may contain confidential and/or propriety information, and is intended for the person/entity to whom it was originally addressed. Any use by others is strictly prohibited. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and are not intended to represent those of the company. ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Question
And interestingly, I remember changing channels a LOT back before the switch to Canopy. Not so much since. On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.netwrote: ** no sir, it does not. - Original Message - *From:* Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Sent:* Wednesday, June 05, 2013 10:39 PM *Subject:* [WISPA] Canopy Question Can anyone who's used Canopy on a regular basis answer a question or two for me? Does Canopy probe for interference on a regular basis... and if so, can it be programmed to jump to another frequency on its own? -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Question
True that. I just had to change channels on an entire tower for about the first time i can ever remember i just switched the channel maps around. Enough interference was coming in where my uplinks were in the 30s. I think there is an unsynced ap nearby - Original Message - From: Forrest Christian (List Account) To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Question And interestingly, I remember changing channels a LOT back before the switch to Canopy. Not so much since. On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 9:43 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: no sir, it does not. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Question Can anyone who's used Canopy on a regular basis answer a question or two for me? Does Canopy probe for interference on a regular basis... and if so, can it be programmed to jump to another frequency on its own? -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Question
no sir, it does not. - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 10:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Question Can anyone who's used Canopy on a regular basis answer a question or two for me? Does Canopy probe for interference on a regular basis... and if so, can it be programmed to jump to another frequency on its own? -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Canopy 430 AP lockup
We are seeing the same symptoms on FSK with 11.2. On Apr 10, 2013 3:59 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us wrote: Just and FYI. I already submitted a ticket to cambium but we are seeing several 430 APs lock up. The APs will still pass traffic to the clients and I can ping the AP. However, I can't bring up the web interface of the AP and I can't telnet into the AP. As long as SMs connected are not rebooted they will stay registered and pass traffic. If an SM is rebooted then the AP can't talk to Prizm so the SM can't authenticate and the client is knocked offline. Power cycling the AP fixes the issue. we are running version 11.2. Anyone else seeing this problem??? -sean ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Canopy SM automation scripts
Generally you use SNMP to make bulk config changes. You can use CNUT to set a initial RW community string. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: I'm just curious if anyone has hacked the cgi scripts on the Canopy SM's and written a script to make changes to the SM by posting variables through a script instead of logging into the device with a browser. I need to make mass changes to several hundred SM's and would like to automate the process, but of course there doesn't seem to be a cli to do this. Regards, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy SM automation scripts
SNMP would be my route, too. I think what you're talking about is POST, though. You can do that with wget/curl. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Generally you use SNMP to make bulk config changes. You can use CNUT to set a initial RW community string. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: I'm just curious if anyone has hacked the cgi scripts on the Canopy SM's and written a script to make changes to the SM by posting variables through a script instead of logging into the device with a browser. I need to make mass changes to several hundred SM's and would like to automate the process, but of course there doesn't seem to be a cli to do this. Regards, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy SM automation scripts
Does anyone have experience with this? I'm not a canopy user but have a client who need some help with a bulk update script. Regards, Cameron On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Generally you use SNMP to make bulk config changes. You can use CNUT to set a initial RW community string. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: I'm just curious if anyone has hacked the cgi scripts on the Canopy SM's and written a script to make changes to the SM by posting variables through a script instead of logging into the device with a browser. I need to make mass changes to several hundred SM's and would like to automate the process, but of course there doesn't seem to be a cli to do this. Regards, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy SM automation scripts
Bunch of us do. Are you familiar with snmpput? I'd suggest a shell script and snmpput, but that's just the only thing I've done... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: Does anyone have experience with this? I'm not a canopy user but have a client who need some help with a bulk update script. Regards, Cameron On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Generally you use SNMP to make bulk config changes. You can use CNUT to set a initial RW community string. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: I'm just curious if anyone has hacked the cgi scripts on the Canopy SM's and written a script to make changes to the SM by posting variables through a script instead of logging into the device with a browser. I need to make mass changes to several hundred SM's and would like to automate the process, but of course there doesn't seem to be a cli to do this. Regards, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy SM automation scripts
I'd prefer to direct them to someone. They have a budget for this. If anyone is available, please hit me offlist. Regards, Cameron On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: Bunch of us do. Are you familiar with snmpput? I'd suggest a shell script and snmpput, but that's just the only thing I've done... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: Does anyone have experience with this? I'm not a canopy user but have a client who need some help with a bulk update script. Regards, Cameron On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Generally you use SNMP to make bulk config changes. You can use CNUT to set a initial RW community string. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: I'm just curious if anyone has hacked the cgi scripts on the Canopy SM's and written a script to make changes to the SM by posting variables through a script instead of logging into the device with a browser. I need to make mass changes to several hundred SM's and would like to automate the process, but of course there doesn't seem to be a cli to do this. Regards, Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
Thanks for the recommendations everyone! Best, - Dan On 4/15/2010 9:25 AM, Justin Wilson wrote: Quicklink will treat you right. I would become a member of the motorola forums and lurk there for awhile as well. Justin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy SM to AP Conversion
Stop right there. Forget it happened. It isn't right. It isn't legal. You could do it with much older ones with the GUI (before P8 for sure, maybe even farther back). It is possible as it is the same hardware, however, when Motorola ships them it is their decision which ones are made APs. Also be aware that if you do figure it out and change it, some people have reported them being switched back to SMs after an upgrade/reboot. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Tracy Tippett tracytipp...@swiftwireless.com wrote: Hello All, This morning I was reviewing the list and saw a reference to conversion procedure to turn P9 canopy SM's into AP's. Does anyone have further info on this procedure or have a source for the information to do so? Tracy Tippett - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
Last Mile Gear- they sell/make Cyclones, and standard gear plus are a wisp = good support. Thanks, ‘S --- Sent mobile (and probably one handed while driving!) On Apr 14, 2010, at 11:16 PM, Dan Ferguson d...@kyes.com wrote: We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will need to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with. Thanks, - Dan --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
I've been very impressed with QuickLink Wireless www.quicklinkwireless.com is a WISP and has a vast knowledge of Canopy, MikroTik, and Trango. Call DJ at 800-405-9865. -RickG On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Dan Ferguson d...@kyes.com wrote: We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will need to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with. Thanks, - Dan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
Quicklink will treat you right. I would become a member of the motorola forums and lurk there for awhile as well. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:18:55 -0400 To: d...@kyes.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment QuickLink Wireless can help you out. We're a vendor member as well. We also have a WISP where we use Canopy, MikroTik, and Trango. Talk to DJ at 800-405-9865. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dan Ferguson Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will need to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with. Thanks, - Dan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy 3.65
There is a webinar by motorola on the 20th. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 15, 2010, at 3:01 PM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote: Has anyone had a chance to test the new Canopy 3.65 PtMP gear? I'm mostly interested in cost/sub and max throughput/sub Kevin --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy 3.65
We started testing this week. Don Renner NetsurfUSA dren...@netsurfusa.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:01 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 3.65 Has anyone had a chance to test the new Canopy 3.65 PtMP gear? I'm mostly interested in cost/sub and max throughput/sub Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy 3.65
On the motorola forum (from what I gather) it's basically comes down to: Why bother? LTE looks to be replacing it, the software end of things is just absolutely awful, but if it was free it would get the job done. Not as well as the pmp430, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Don Renner dren...@helixtec.net wrote: We started testing this week. Don Renner NetsurfUSA dren...@netsurfusa.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Sullivan Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:01 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 3.65 Has anyone had a chance to test the new Canopy 3.65 PtMP gear? I'm mostly interested in cost/sub and max throughput/sub Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
Speaking of Canopy - what is this? From: MotoAirwave Inc [mailto:motoairw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:13 PM To: Rick Subject: Subscriber Module To Advantage Access Point Or Backhaul Hello, This is to inform you that there is a program available to convert any Platform 9, any frequency Subscriber Module to an Advantage Access Point or Backhaul. This program works through simple telnet commands. It is only available for a short time. If you are interested, please respond. Thank you. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Quicklink will treat you right. I would become a member of the motorola forums and lurk there for awhile as well. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:18:55 -0400 To: d...@kyes.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment QuickLink Wireless can help you out. We're a vendor member as well. We also have a WISP where we use Canopy, MikroTik, and Trango. Talk to DJ at 800-405-9865. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dan Ferguson Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will need to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with. Thanks, - Dan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
Apparently there is a way to make P9 SM's into AP's. This was discussed in great detail many months back. WirelessUnits had someone working for him that was selling the script to do it...but I think he has since been fired. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment Speaking of Canopy - what is this? From: MotoAirwave Inc [mailto:motoairw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:13 PM To: Rick Subject: Subscriber Module To Advantage Access Point Or Backhaul Hello, This is to inform you that there is a program available to convert any Platform 9, any frequency Subscriber Module to an Advantage Access Point or Backhaul. This program works through simple telnet commands. It is only available for a short time. If you are interested, please respond. Thank you. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Quicklink will treat you right. I would become a member of the motorola forums and lurk there for awhile as well. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:18:55 -0400 To: d...@kyes.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment QuickLink Wireless can help you out. We're a vendor member as well. We also have a WISP where we use Canopy, MikroTik, and Trango. Talk to DJ at 800-405-9865. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dan Ferguson Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will need to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with. Thanks, - Dan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment
In the past I've seen the same conversion with other radios. So, the question is: Is it legal? On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: Apparently there is a way to make P9 SM's into AP's. This was discussed in great detail many months back. WirelessUnits had someone working for him that was selling the script to do it...but I think he has since been fired. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment Speaking of Canopy - what is this? From: MotoAirwave Inc [mailto:motoairw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:13 PM To: Rick Subject: Subscriber Module To Advantage Access Point Or Backhaul Hello, This is to inform you that there is a program available to convert any Platform 9, any frequency Subscriber Module to an Advantage Access Point or Backhaul. This program works through simple telnet commands. It is only available for a short time. If you are interested, please respond. Thank you. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Quicklink will treat you right. I would become a member of the motorola forums and lurk there for awhile as well. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 02:18:55 -0400 To: d...@kyes.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment QuickLink Wireless can help you out. We're a vendor member as well. We also have a WISP where we use Canopy, MikroTik, and Trango. Talk to DJ at 800-405-9865. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Dan Ferguson Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 2:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Equipment We have been avoiding this for some time but it looks like we will need to explore using Canopy (at least for a 5.4 solution). I would like to receive any recommendations for a vendor to work with. Thanks, - Dan -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy CMM issue.
Not specifically but we have seen MTU problems and switch strangeness. Try the 3.X firmware. It is a huge improvement. -Jon On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone seen any errata on Canopy CMM Micros that shows a remote reboot type of vulnerability? Firmware: CANOPY CMM 2.2 Build 2 Feb 23 2006 16:45:22 Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy CMM issue.
Huge imporvement in what way? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jon Auer Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 12:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy CMM issue. Not specifically but we have seen MTU problems and switch strangeness. Try the 3.X firmware. It is a huge improvement. -Jon On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Has anyone seen any errata on Canopy CMM Micros that shows a remote reboot type of vulnerability? Firmware: CANOPY CMM 2.2 Build 2 Feb 23 2006 16:45:22 Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy 5.2 / 5.4 P9 SMs
I have some brand new never deployed P9 5250SM's... feel free to hit me offlist Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 5.2 / 5.4 P9 SMs Anybody have some used Moto Canopy P9 5.2 or 5.4 sm's they want to part with (qty 3-5 in each band)? Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy AND WiFi beater! -- Retro Encabulator
Wow, We've been working on this for over 20 years and just could not figure out how to reduce sinusoidal depleneration. I never thought about employing it conjunction with a drawn reciprocating dingle arm. Man, that's pure genius. Mike wrote: Rockwell Collins, over in Cedar Rapids apparently finally got the retro encambulator perfected. It works way better than Canopy, and makes a laughing stock of WiFi. How many should I buy? Mike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVVKEsPeLtIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVVKEsPeLtI WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Data Technology MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy AND WiFi beater! -- Retro Encabulator
Mike, I recommend buying one gross. We can all run but we can never hide from capacitive varactance. jack Mike wrote: Rockwell Collins, over in Cedar Rapids apparently finally got the retro encambulator perfected. It works way better than Canopy, and makes a laughing stock of WiFi. How many should I buy? Mike http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVVKEsPeLtIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVVKEsPeLtI WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com Sent from my Pizzicato PluckString... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance
Staying within EIRP limits, you'd need at least a 12' dish on both ends to have at what I would consider a minimal amount of signal. (-72dB) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Any chance it could do 30 to 40 miles from ap to cpe with that setup? Jason Gino Villarini wrote: Charles Actually now it's FCC certified with the low power setting Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: It's generally illegal to use a dish on a 5.2 SM From a *theoretical* perspective, 5.2 will propagate just as good as 5.8 -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Sorry, I thought I'd read in their literature that the 5200sm could operate at 5.8... The 5200sm is what I am interested in. Does anyone know what the maximum useful distance is with the dish mounted 5200sm like: http://www.ojbox.com/ebay/new/5200sm-dish/5200sm-dish.htm Jason Charles Wu wrote: Hi, A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8 The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Speaking of 5.8 distance... Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm can do? Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc. Jason --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance
Hi, A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8 The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Speaking of 5.8 distance... Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm can do? Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance
Sorry, I thought I'd read in their literature that the 5200sm could operate at 5.8... The 5200sm is what I am interested in. Does anyone know what the maximum useful distance is with the dish mounted 5200sm like: http://www.ojbox.com/ebay/new/5200sm-dish/5200sm-dish.htm Jason Charles Wu wrote: Hi, A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8 The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Speaking of 5.8 distance... Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm can do? Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance
It's generally illegal to use a dish on a 5.2 SM From a *theoretical* perspective, 5.2 will propagate just as good as 5.8 -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Sorry, I thought I'd read in their literature that the 5200sm could operate at 5.8... The 5200sm is what I am interested in. Does anyone know what the maximum useful distance is with the dish mounted 5200sm like: http://www.ojbox.com/ebay/new/5200sm-dish/5200sm-dish.htm Jason Charles Wu wrote: Hi, A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8 The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Speaking of 5.8 distance... Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm can do? Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc. Jason WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance
Charles Actually now it's FCC certified with the low power setting Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: It's generally illegal to use a dish on a 5.2 SM From a *theoretical* perspective, 5.2 will propagate just as good as 5.8 -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Sorry, I thought I'd read in their literature that the 5200sm could operate at 5.8... The 5200sm is what I am interested in. Does anyone know what the maximum useful distance is with the dish mounted 5200sm like: http://www.ojbox.com/ebay/new/5200sm-dish/5200sm-dish.htm Jason Charles Wu wrote: Hi, A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8 The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Speaking of 5.8 distance... Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm can do? Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc. Jason --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance
Any chance it could do 30 to 40 miles from ap to cpe with that setup? Jason Gino Villarini wrote: Charles Actually now it's FCC certified with the low power setting Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:12 PM, "Charles Wu" c...@cticonnect.com wrote: It's generally illegal to use a dish on a 5.2 SM From a *theoretical* perspective, 5.2 will propagate just as good as 5.8 -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Sorry, I thought I'd read in their literature that the 5200sm could operate at 5.8... The 5200sm is what I am interested in. Does anyone know what the maximum useful distance is with the dish mounted 5200sm like: http://www.ojbox.com/ebay/new/5200sm-dish/5200sm-dish.htm Jason Charles Wu wrote: Hi, A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8 The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Speaking of 5.8 distance... Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm can do? Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc. Jason --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance
Not Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 30, 2009, at 8:01 PM, Jason Wallace supp...@azii.net wrote: Any chance it could do 30 to 40 miles from ap to cpe with that setup? Jason Gino Villarini wrote: Charles Actually now it's FCC certified with the low power setting Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: It's generally illegal to use a dish on a 5.2 SM From a *theoretical* perspective, 5.2 will propagate just as good as 5.8 -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Sorry, I thought I'd read in their literature that the 5200sm could operate at 5.8... The 5200sm is what I am interested in. Does anyone know what the maximum useful distance is with the dish mounted 5200sm like: http://www.ojbox.com/ebay/new/5200sm-dish/5200sm-dish.htm Jason Charles Wu wrote: Hi, A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8 The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Speaking of 5.8 distance... Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm can do? Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc. Jason --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance
30 miles is the maximum setting in any Canopy AP... they won't connect past 30 miles (assuming enough signal, etc.). Travis Jason Wallace wrote: Any chance it could do 30 to 40 miles from ap to cpe with that setup? Jason Gino Villarini wrote: Charles Actually now it's FCC certified with the low power setting Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:12 PM, "Charles Wu" c...@cticonnect.com wrote: It's generally illegal to use a dish on a 5.2 SM From a *theoretical* perspective, 5.2 will propagate just as good as 5.8 -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Sorry, I thought I'd read in their literature that the 5200sm could operate at 5.8... The 5200sm is what I am interested in. Does anyone know what the maximum useful distance is with the dish mounted 5200sm like: http://www.ojbox.com/ebay/new/5200sm-dish/5200sm-dish.htm Jason Charles Wu wrote: Hi, A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8 The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Speaking of 5.8 distance... Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm can do? Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc. Jason --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance
You have to set max range on the Canopy for the most distant radio. Trying to go that far will just degrade your whole system. The Canopy backhauls CAN go that distance, connectorized, dish antennas et al, in any event, you should be looking for a point-to-point system for that distance, or just tell the customer it won't work if you are trying to reach that distance with an AP to SM. Mike At 07:01 PM 7/30/2009, you wrote: Any chance it could do 30 to 40 miles from ap to cpe with that setup? Jason Gino Villarini wrote: Charles Actually now it's FCC certified with the low power setting Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Jul 30, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Charles Wu mailto:c...@cticonnect.comc...@cticonnect.com wrote: It's generally illegal to use a dish on a 5.2 SM From a *theoretical* perspective, 5.2 will propagate just as good as 5.8 -Charles -Original Message- From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:48 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Sorry, I thought I'd read in their literature that the 5200sm could operate at 5.8... The 5200sm is what I am interested in. Does anyone know what the maximum useful distance is with the dish mounted 5200sm like: http://www.ojbox.com/ebay/new/5200sm-dish/5200sm-dish.htmhttp://www.ojbox.com/ebay/new/5200sm-dish/5200sm-dish.htm Jason Charles Wu wrote: Hi, A 5200 SM operates in 5.2, not 5.8 The difference between 5.2 and 5.8 is FCC rules -Charles -Original Message- From: mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wirelessmailto:wireless- mailto:boun...@wispa.orgboun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Wallace Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy Distance Speaking of 5.8 distance... Does anyone know what the real world maximum distance the canopy 5200sm can do? Assuming a quiet noise floor, best ap setup, etc. Jason --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: mailto:wireless@wispa.orgwireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelesshttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Canopy NMS
We use PRTG __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy NMS Hi, What are people using to monitor their Canopy wireless networks? I know there is Prizm (which we are currently testing), but I am wondering what else is available? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy NMS
Does it automatically grab new SM's and start graphing them, or do you have to add them individually? Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: We use PRTG __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy NMS Hi, What are people using to monitor their Canopy wireless networks? I know there is Prizm (which we are currently testing), but I am wondering what else is available? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy NMS
It does it automatic. You just put in the ip space. There is a feature that does this. It also grabs the name from each canopy and lists that as well. Its a pretty cool program. I have about 150 radios being graphed. - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy NMS Does it automatically grab new SM's and start graphing them, or do you have to add them individually? Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: We use PRTG __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy NMS Hi, What are people using to monitor their Canopy wireless networks? I know there is Prizm (which we are currently testing), but I am wondering what else is available? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date: 12/27/2008 8:49 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy NMS
It does a seartch when you set it up. After that when you add a radio I think you have to add it manually. Thats the way I do it anyway. Joe Laura - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy NMS Does it automatically grab new SM's and start graphing them, or do you have to add them individually? Travis Microserv Jerry Richardson wrote: We use PRTG __ Jerry Richardson airCloud Communications -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy NMS Hi, What are people using to monitor their Canopy wireless networks? I know there is Prizm (which we are currently testing), but I am wondering what else is available? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1866 - Release Date: 12/27/2008 8:49 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy speed
That's why you join Peering Exchanges if you can. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy speed And, as the Canopy 430 system gets rolled out, we will have 40 Mbps to deliver. We will probably give 30 down and 10 up. Statistically that gets folks on and off the system so quick there will be much more time for folks to spend in the wide open throttle mode. DSL will be left in our dust. DOCSIS and FIOS are approaching those speeds but they ain't playing in our sandbox... yet. If you have 30 Mbps burst download speeds, the bottleneck will not be in our system, it will be at the content provider end or in transiting the internet. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] canopy speed Perception is reality. This is what you will see and this is accurate. Some times you may have to click it 2 or 3 times to get over 10 but it will usually be between 5 and 10 on the first click. And people will click and click and click until they get the highest reading. If they see 10 the are satisfied. Irrespective, when you are casually browsing and getting wide open throttle on a canopy system it is just as responsive as when I am at the office where I have GigE from my desk top to the world. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy speed
Is that speed test on net or off net? -RickG On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When a customer here gets installed we always do a speed test to show they're getting the connection they pay for as the tech leaves. They always get their peak every speed test. On 11/2/08, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why you join Peering Exchanges if you can. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy speed And, as the Canopy 430 system gets rolled out, we will have 40 Mbps to deliver. We will probably give 30 down and 10 up. Statistically that gets folks on and off the system so quick there will be much more time for folks to spend in the wide open throttle mode. DSL will be left in our dust. DOCSIS and FIOS are approaching those speeds but they ain't playing in our sandbox... yet. If you have 30 Mbps burst download speeds, the bottleneck will not be in our system, it will be at the content provider end or in transiting the internet. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] canopy speed Perception is reality. This is what you will see and this is accurate. Some times you may have to click it 2 or 3 times to get over 10 but it will usually be between 5 and 10 on the first click. And people will click and click and click until they get the highest reading. If they see 10 the are satisfied. Irrespective, when you are casually browsing and getting wide open throttle on a canopy system it is just as responsive as when I am at the office where I have GigE from my desk top to the world. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy speed
Oops... Should have spell checked! :( ...it takes two to tango! Scott -- Original Message -- From: Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 18:55:47 -0600 and adding on this from my recent post...it tales two to tango! Scott -- Original Message -- From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:30:25 -0600 And, as the Canopy 430 system gets rolled out, we will have 40 Mbps to deliver. We will probably give 30 down and 10 up. Statistically that gets folks on and off the system so quick there will be much more time for folks to spend in the wide open throttle mode. DSL will be left in our dust. DOCSIS and FIOS are approaching those speeds but they ain't playing in our sandbox... yet. If you have 30 Mbps burst download speeds, the bottleneck will not be in our system, it will be at the content provider end or in transiting the internet. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [WISPA] canopy speed Perception is reality. This is what you will see and this is accurate. Some times you may have to click it 2 or 3 times to get over 10 but it will usually be between 5 and 10 on the first click. And people will click and click and click until they get the highest reading. If they see 10 the are satisfied. Irrespective, when you are casually browsing and getting wide open throttle on a canopy system it is just as responsive as when I am at the office where I have GigE from my desk top to the world. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy PTP400 software?
Hi All The website address to download software (and user manuals/release notes) is http://www.motorola.com/ptp/software To access the software downloads you are required to enter a MAC address of a unit that is under 12 months old (or purchase a Software Maintenance Contract) The MAC address is sometimes referred to as the ESN. You can find the MAC address of PTP products by either 1) Looking at the label on the rear of the ODU 2) Look at the System Status screen of the management interface Regards Allen On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Jon Langeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure what Moto's deal with this is but I can't seem to find my most recently purchased PTP ESN #'s and thus download the latest version. If anyone could save me the hassle(and what I swear is a 24hr delayed response on there website!!) and email it offlist that would be greatly appreciated... Thanks -Jon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy 900 Cap
900Mhz can handle roughly 60-70 subs per AP. Now this all depends on the packages being offered, how much each sub uses their connection, etc. 2.4Ghz would be the best bet it have Line of sight to all the rooftops. Then you can run 100+ per AP. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirb Nesbitt Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 1:37 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 900 Cap Was hoping some one might comment on what the typical max subscriber loading per Canopy 900 Mhz AU might be, assuming a per sector loading, or a simple omni config. I have been asked by a friend to evaluate the local ISP's ability to service his new cottage development (350 lots) vs the option of building out his own network to service his residents and some additional planned development in the vicinity. Incumbent provider is running 900 Mhz Canopy (~6.5 miles to tower). Irrespective of the fact some of the coverage region comes up pretty iffy, particularly when trees are introduced amongst the cottage lots, my suspicion is there's going to be a need for additional infrastructure based solely on current capacity requirements (150 lots initially). Appreciate all comments, and thanks for all the great reading in the past (have been in R.O. for some time). Regards, Kirb Nesbitt, Bsc., VE6IV Nesbitt Engineering Services Inc (403) 774.9223 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities
2.5Mhz Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities Does anyone know what the MHz resolution of a canopy 2.4 CPE in SA mode? thanks, Ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities
Thanks Ryan -Original Message- From: Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 9:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities 2.5Mhz Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy SA capabilities Does anyone know what the MHz resolution of a canopy 2.4 CPE in SA mode? thanks, Ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy backhaul
IF you mean the PTP series, we have many of them installed, they are pretty rock solid. The issues we have had with them are: 1) At one of our tower locations we have 4 of them installed, every once in a while their spectrum analysis (finding a clean channel) and DFS will play havoc with each other one will switch channel and the rest cascade changing channels. During this time the bitrate drops. This is solvable by either blocking channels, or manually setting the channel for the link. 2) I had a power supply for one die last weekend, not sure what caused this to happen yet. 3) The company I work for started installing them before I started with them. When they started with the link distance capabilities of the integrated links were exaggerated, so we have some at distances that caused some issues, this was a failure on the company we bought them from, not the equipment. Ryan On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 09:44 -0400, chris cooper wrote: Anyone have opinions good or bad regarding canopy backhauls? Reliability and uptime? Thanks Chris WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] canopy innards
It is a snap together plastic case, very easy to take apart, there are no seals. Have seen the Moto folks do it in the training class, and have done it myself as well. (Unlike other Mfg, where you have screws and seals) Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:53 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] canopy innards Hi, Does anyone happen to have pictures of the inner-workings of Canopy SMs/APs? Just curious to know what's inside without busting one myself. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy sync pinout
http://www.vip.net.id/macan/025_AP_CMM_gen_1_manual.pdf Page24 Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] Canopy sync pinout Does anyone know what the pin-out would be to make a sync cable to connect to canopy 5750APs ? I was told that if you are only using 2 of the Canopy APs in a single location, that you could pull sync from the other w/o the CMM. Thanks _ Don Annas 336.510.3800 x111 336.510.3801 fax HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK http://www.triadtelecom.com/www.TriadTelecom.com _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy sync pinout
Thank you very much. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Laura Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 10:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy sync pinout http://www.vip.net.id/macan/025_AP_CMM_gen_1_manual.pdf Page24 Superior Wireless New Orleans,La. www.superior1.com - Original Message - From: Don Annas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] Canopy sync pinout Does anyone know what the pin-out would be to make a sync cable to connect to canopy 5750APs ? I was told that if you are only using 2 of the Canopy APs in a single location, that you could pull sync from the other w/o the CMM. Thanks _ Don Annas 336.510.3800 x111 336.510.3801 fax HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] HYPERLINK http://www.triadtelecom.com/www.TriadTelecom.com _ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput
Hi, those of you who use Canopy 900: what is the actual throughput you've gotten to the CPE? 4Mbps or less? Has anyone run a bandwidth test while passing traffic simultaneously in both directions (such as with Qcheck)? Thanks a lot. If you have adequate SNR to be able to associate at the higher modulation (2X), then you will get an aggregate of 4 Mb Regarding up vs down, that depends on how you set your ratios in Canopy (it's allocated on a percentage basis) Qcheck is a horrible program for accurately checking bandwidth, I would recommend you look into something that actually works like Iperf -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput
Thanks, Charles, What would that something be called? Mario Charles Wu wrote: SNIP Qcheck is a horrible program for accurately checking bandwidth, I would recommend you look into something that actually works like Iperf -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput
Never tried with a program, but link tests with 67/33 and hardware scheduling show 3.2Mbps down and 1.2Mbps up. On a mildly (30 Registered CPE) loaded AP we see 2.7Mbps down and 1.0Mbps up from various speed test sites. We have a OC-3 running about 60Mbps to the internet. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 7:35 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput Hi, those of you who use Canopy 900: what is the actual throughput you've gotten to the CPE? 4Mbps or less? Has anyone run a bandwidth test while passing traffic simultaneously in both directions (such as with Qcheck)? Thanks a lot. If you have adequate SNR to be able to associate at the higher modulation (2X), then you will get an aggregate of 4 Mb Regarding up vs down, that depends on how you set your ratios in Canopy (it's allocated on a percentage basis) Qcheck is a horrible program for accurately checking bandwidth, I would recommend you look into something that actually works like Iperf -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput
Nuttcp is great Iperf sems to die after a while, or leave dozens of orphan sessions running. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Pommier Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy actual throughput Thanks, Charles, What would that something be called? Mario Charles Wu wrote: SNIP Qcheck is a horrible program for accurately checking bandwidth, I would recommend you look into something that actually works like Iperf -Charles -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy 8.1 firmware
Be careful, I ran 8.1.4 on one tower for a week with no issues. I then proceeded to run it on 6 more towers for 2 weeks, no problems. But when I did the last 8 towers we had our highest number of tech calls since our mail server crashed. SM Ethernet ports would just lock up (RF interface was still accessible), customers with no problems started forming thousands of session per day. Just a real bad deal, mind you it did fix some problems, but it wasn't worth it so we rolled back to 7.3.6. That was another headache. A little birdie told me to NOT run 8.1.4 or 8.1.5 and wait for 8.1.6. Take it as you choose. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 8:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 8.1 firmware For those of you running Canopy, we recently upgraded some of radios to the latest firmware. We did this because of the continuing Ethernet problems we were having with them. I am happy to report the new firm does indeed fix the Ethernet negotiation issues mentioned in the release notes. We have been happy with the radios we have upgraded thus far and we are now planning an upgrade cycle for our entire network. -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy 900 mhz gear F/S
Rick, I suppose those are all gone by now. Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson Dt. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517)547-8410 Mobile: (517)605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Rick Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2006 11:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ''WISPA General List'' Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 900 mhz gear F/S Hey guys / gals, in my attempt to offload some of my spare equipment, I've got a few Canopy 900 Advantage CPEs and APs laying around that are barely used. I'll let the APs go for $1,250 each, and the SMs for $250 each. We'll add shipping later, and they're all connectorized with standard Mot P/S. I can get 'em out this week. R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Site, off-power-grid
I'll be happy to design it for ya, Rick. I'll give you a call on Monday. On Mon, 06 Mar 2006 02:01:17 -0500, Rick Smith wrote Need to install a short tower as a relay on a mountaintop, no power within 3/4 mile. Anyone done battery / generator sites with one Canopy AP, one Canopy SM and a router, like Mikrotik in between ? This is in NJ, not too good an environment for solar I imagine, although we'll be on a real high hill top (1250' elev) for this area... R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Site, off-power-grid
Plan for an amp hour / hour.. 24 amp hours / day. if you buy a couple of 100 amp hour walmart marine batteries you'd have 200/24 or about 9 days of run time without solar. I don't know what solar planning you need in Jersey. DoE has some maps of the US for solar planning - if it works out you only have 4 8 hour days around dec 21st to charge your batteries, you'd need to calculate feeding the load - 1 amp continuous for 24 hours - which means 24 / 8 solar hours = 3 amps during that 8 hours for the load, plus battery charge time input. So, if you plan to charge the batteries to peak from zero in 3 days, you'd need 200 / (8 hours (charge day) * 3) or about 9 amps for that. So a solar array might be 9 + 3 or 12 amps output @ 12 volts. The Moto stuff will work fine @ 12 volts, even though they are spec'd for higher. Finding a good 12 volt switch or router that suits you and draws little current can be a struggle. hope this helps. by the way, I'm in Califon for the next couple of days. On Mar 6, 2006, at 2:01 AM, Rick Smith wrote: Need to install a short tower as a relay on a mountaintop, no power within 3/4 mile. Anyone done battery / generator sites with one Canopy AP, one Canopy SM and a router, like Mikrotik in between ? This is in NJ, not too good an environment for solar I imagine, although we'll be on a real high hill top (1250' elev) for this area... R -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy 900
36 dB for both. Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 900 What is the legal limit for 900? On AP and CPE. Isn't it 36db? This is radio plus antenna =36? -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy 900
Yes, 36 db. Both AP and CPE. 3 to 1 rule DOES NOT APPLY to 900Mhz. When higher than 10db Yagis are used, radio power must be lowered. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:46 PM Subject: [WISPA] Canopy 900 What is the legal limit for 900? On AP and CPE. Isn't it 36db? This is radio plus antenna =36? -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
Speed Price. JohnnyO On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:30 -0500, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: What are the differences in a nutshell from the regular SM, 900mhz? Differences besides speed. -- Brian Rohrbacher -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
No difference in features? JohnnyO wrote: Speed Price. JohnnyO On Mon, 2006-01-30 at 10:30 -0500, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: What are the differences "in a nutshell" from the regular SM, 900mhz? Differences besides speed. -- Brian Rohrbacher -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
http://motorola.canopywireless.com/products/lite/ Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
I've read that. Does anyone know if a lite SM is fully upgradeable to a regular one? Dylan Oliver wrote: http://motorola.canopywireless.com/products/lite/ Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
Specs say it can be upgraded to 1, 2, 3, 4 mbps. Buy the time you do that you should've spend the extra $50 and had a regular 2400SM to begin with. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite I've read that. Does anyone know if a lite SM is fully upgradeable to a regular one? Dylan Oliver wrote: http://motorola.canopywireless.com/products/lite/ Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 Caught up in the Air 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Canopy Lite
From what I have read they are not fully upgradeable because there are some hardware differences between the light and the normal units. I also remember reading that you have to have the advantage AP to use the light versions of SU's. Chadd -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 2:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy Lite I've read that. Does anyone know if a lite SM is fully upgradeable to a regular one? Dylan Oliver wrote: -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
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H. Haven't run into that yet. As long as we're showing growth their working with us. Not as well as I'd like but that's not always bad either. We're smaller than we could have been, but we're also financially stable. Nothing at all wrong with that. As broadband prices keep falling those tied into for cpe are gonna find it harder and harder to compete. What are you going to do in 3ish years when you have to pull all of the cpe and put in the next greatest thing? When the prices for broadband are sub $30 is most places? (yes, that's coming, fast.) laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you
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Travis, That is an interesting point. You are full of all sorts of clever ideas. But how do you get past the, need to be in business for two years to get financing, problem? How do you manage that on the books? Doesn't it cost you more than you are saving with the Lease terms? For a while I was doing cell sites (payables) through a seperate company than Receivables (Subscribers) for liabilty reasons. B ut I stopped it was to big a pain in the neck to take care of two setes of books, and instantly at a glance, see how the company is doing. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices NOW Line of Credit.
Tom and Travis. If it's not too much trouble, why don't you rename the thread like Scriv requested. When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't remember to look throught all the canopy threads too. :) Travis Johnson wrote: Tom, Like many on this list, we started out using personal credit cards. And in the beginning, we did make the subs pay for the equipment. However, we've been in business since 1995 and doing wireless since 1997. Also, you have to be willing to sign a personal guarantee on the leases, at least in the beginning. But really, that's not any different than any bank, which will do the same. You will also have to start small (maybe $10k or $15k) for the first lease, and get some payment history behind you. Then as time goes on, they will just get easier and easier. ;) Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: Travis, That is an interesting point. You are full of all sorts of clever ideas. But how do you get past the, need to be in business for two years to get financing, problem? How do you manage that on the books? Doesn't it cost you more than you are saving with the Lease terms? For a while I was doing cell sites (payables) through a seperate company than Receivables (Subscribers) for liabilty reasons. B ut I stopped it was to big a pain in the neck to take care of two setes of books, and instantly at a glance, see how the company is doing. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices The biggest problem is a bank will have a hard time allowing you to continue to grow. With leasing companies, I can just continue to use a new company each time, then not a single company takes all the risk. At a certain point, the bank will just say no, and then you will be stuck. :( Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: Not true. We have a couple of different lines. They were hard to get, we actually get run under a program for farmers, but we have them. Believe me though, I can't wait till I get rid of them too though! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices True but no bank is going to setup a line of credit for a WISP. It's just too risky... equipment is at hundreds of different locations, they have no control over anything about it, etc. Travis Tom DeReggi wrote: Not that I disagree with you, just that at the end of the day what matters most, is who will lend you the money. From the beginning of time, Banks have always been more strict on who they lend to and for what than a leasing company. Sure, once you got a good working relationship with a bank, great, but very few WISPs will be in that position early on. Atleast that is what I have seen to date. Revenue from a paying subscriber today, at just about any rate, is almost always better than not having the revenue from the potential subscriber at all. The arguement I use is, if you get a customer just one month earlier, thats $50 more money you make, Almost a 12% saving right off the bat for getting them installed a month earlier. If a finance company can get the amount approved quickly, without a bunch of paperwork to delay everything, I'd argue that they deserve the extra percentages that they are getting on the deal. So my view is its not about rate, its about flexibilty and speed. If I can get a Line of Credit , that lets me take the money out in small chunks paying the interest only on funds taken out, thats much better than a low interest rate loan that I need to commit to a huge lot all at once, to sit on the shelf. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas
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On 12/20/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tom and Travis.If it's not too much trouble, why don't you rename the thread like Scriv requested.When I do a search for line of credit in 6months on the archive, I won't remember to look throught all the canopythreads too.:)Brian. If it's not too much trouble, why don't you stop quoting irrelevant text like Scriv requested. When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't want to look at all that garbage. :PBest,-- Dylan OliverPrimaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices NOW Line of Credit. NOW title of threads
Dude, it was not too much to ask. Yet people go along posting in off topic threads. To me, it seems like a good idea to title threads to specific topics. If you don't like it, whatever. My 2 cents. Brian Dylan Oliver wrote: On 12/20/05, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tom and Travis.If it's not too much trouble, why don't you rename the thread like Scriv requested.When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't remember to look throught all the canopy threads too.:) Brian. If it's not too much trouble, why don't you stop quoting irrelevant text like Scriv requested. When I do a search for line of credit in 6 months on the archive, I won't want to look at all that garbage. :P Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.1/207 - Release Date: 12/19/2005 -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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HA! OFFLIST? - NOT! I just hate it when that happens to me :-) Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Brian Rohrbacher wrote: 100 pack. How much? Shayne Rose wrote: Regarding Trango M900S-SU's and pricing, Please contact me directly. I can assure you that if you are buying 100+ you will pay less than $400 per SU. /* /*Shayne Rose*/ /*National Sales Manager*/ ** *//* */Trango Broadband/* */a division of //Trango Systems, Inc./ http://www.trangosys.com/* 15070 Ave of Science, Suite 200 San Diego, CA 92128 Office: 858-653-3900x272 Fax: 858-683-2124 e-Fax Mobile: 858-335-2245 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = NOTE: This email may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this email and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. = */ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Smith Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices Wow, OK, I stand corrected... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices single was $405 at maple net. Mac Dearman wrote: OUCH! I have bought singles that cheap from doubleradius Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... - --- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys
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$12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled
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Hi, The leases I am doing are less than 10% interest. Any bank that will do a corporate only loan is going to be the same rate. Also, there are no additional loan costs, fees, etc and I make no up front payments. I don't even make the first payment for 30 days after I get the equipment... by then I have at least 50% of the units installed, so the additional revenue is paying the new lease payment. :) The $12 per CPE was a high number my last lease was actually $10.80 per CPE. So, $10.80 x 36 = $388.80. However, the monthly revenue is what we look at... my minimum plan is $40 per month with a $99 install. The install covers the truck roll, and I make $29 per new customer starting from day 1. How else is anyone competing with cable and DSL? We are doing 100+ installs per month in an area with 250,000 total population (spread out over 15,000 square miles). It's all about how much money is left at the end of the month. ;) Travis Microserv Mac Dearman wrote: $12.00 X 36Mos = $420.00per CPE + loan costs, fees...etc Sounds like to me you lost your good deal to the finance company. I understand that they may be a necessary evil, but I still say that you are far ahead in this game if you need to have something financed to go to your local bank, borrow the money there with all the added benefits of a much more sensible interest rate, you can pay out early and not pay any of the extra interest whereas with the leasing company you can pay out early - - but you still pay all their interest so the point is moot. I do have one lease active - - but it will be the only one I ever do! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 Travis Johnson wrote: Yes, all of the leases I do are 36 month, $1 buyout. So after 3 years I own the equipment. We figure 50% of the radios will still be functioning, and will then be free. We base our monthly rate on paying about $12 per month per CPE. Travis Microserv Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Are you on a lease to own program?? Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 5:37 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start
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Airspan can be had around 3 and change for indoor su's. outdoors around 4 and a quarter... On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 13:09:58 -0600, Mac Dearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: OUCH! I have bought singles that cheap from doubleradius Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught
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You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances
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Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian RohrbacherSent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please!Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;)TravisMicroservRon Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WIS
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OUCH! I have bought singles that cheap from doubleradius Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville 318-728-9600 318-376-2562 - cell Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Are you avoiding telling us the price?? Can you tell us? Post it to the paid list maybe (another carrot for those why don't pay) that is, if you are paid up. :) Travis Johnson wrote: I don't sell product, and I can't sell any of these as they are leased. Leasing is the only way to make a WISP competitive and grow. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: how much will you sell them for? Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I just received my shipment of 900mhz units last week. I can tell you I paid much, much less than $420 but I am buying 250 units at a time. ;) Travis Microserv Rick Smith wrote: Travis has gotta be full of it! Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never got prices better than 420... From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! Travis Johnson wrote: Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it
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My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their
Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv Ron Wallace wrote: My Man. Brian, Excellent. Original message Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or
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Where are you getting those prices and in what quantities? Thanks, Chadd From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 12:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices Wow that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual polarity integrated antennas. ;) Travis Microserv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Nice! Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Read it and weep nay sayers ;-) I found a VAR to work with. Prices for canopy 900. Connectorized- $262.60 Integrated- $328.7 All details are being posted to Principal Members List. You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general idea) Brian Ron Wallace wrote: Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save some money, good. Ron Wallace Original message Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over 200 some bucks and support the industry. Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if possible, but prolly 100 pack to start) Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say look here. I have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards and shipped to 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email Forward quote to next reseller and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the business of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say screw you if I approached like this? If all resellers say we can't do this.then I would (big trust here) run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship from here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra shippingdon't know what that would be, but it would be figured before hand. I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only question is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done this and might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) Brian A. Huppenthal wrote: Charles, I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact is I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to apples. I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send Jim, George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need support, training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly doesn't support group buys. The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it ends when the product is delivered. Charles Wu wrote: snip You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in being a volume club. /snip We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP and getting a T1 line Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution (which is what your proposing) than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying group faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that the buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor will require cash up front for the purchase So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase that 500 pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy to repackage / ship stuff On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due to unforseen things that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers don't sign on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell excess units
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the integrated 900 units are horizontal Someone confirm this. I was under the impression all Canopy 900 integrated units were verticle also, and NOT hortizontal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy Ok, to clarify. Moto does NOT make Vertical integrated units for 900mhz? All of moto's 900 gear is horizontal. Next question. 900mhz sectors. I was at the double radius site looking through antennas. This antenna http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-926H-4-120.pdf looks nice. What's the quality and price of it compared to other 900 sectors? It costs $525 for 3. With my setup, I am not looking for capacity, I am looking for maximum coverage. Would 3 120* sectors cover and penetrate the same area as using 6 60* integrated APs? Or is the coverage of the 60* not enough of an improvement to justify the cost of 1 site with 6 antennas vs 2 sites with 3 on each? I was thinking that the 60 x60 beam of the integrated units cover more than the 120 x 19 of the sectors. And then there is the gain. Brian G.Villarini wrote: Wait a sec, you talking 900 mhz? the integrated 900 units are horizontal...both the ap and sm Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy Ok, then to go horizontal an external antenna is required. Which also means, one would never be able to use the Canopy integrated unit. Where do you Canopy users out there get your favorite 900 antennas at? G.Villarini wrote: Nop, just vertical Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] canopy is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 11/30/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] canopy
All Motorola Canopy 900 mhz integrated units are Horizontal... Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 6:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy the integrated 900 units are horizontal Someone confirm this. I was under the impression all Canopy 900 integrated units were verticle also, and NOT hortizontal. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy Ok, to clarify. Moto does NOT make Vertical integrated units for 900mhz? All of moto's 900 gear is horizontal. Next question. 900mhz sectors. I was at the double radius site looking through antennas. This antenna http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-926H-4-120.pdf looks nice. What's the quality and price of it compared to other 900 sectors? It costs $525 for 3. With my setup, I am not looking for capacity, I am looking for maximum coverage. Would 3 120* sectors cover and penetrate the same area as using 6 60* integrated APs? Or is the coverage of the 60* not enough of an improvement to justify the cost of 1 site with 6 antennas vs 2 sites with 3 on each? I was thinking that the 60 x60 beam of the integrated units cover more than the 120 x 19 of the sectors. And then there is the gain. Brian G.Villarini wrote: Wait a sec, you talking 900 mhz? the integrated 900 units are horizontal...both the ap and sm Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy Ok, then to go horizontal an external antenna is required. Which also means, one would never be able to use the Canopy integrated unit. Where do you Canopy users out there get your favorite 900 antennas at? G.Villarini wrote: Nop, just vertical Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] canopy is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 11/30/2005 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy interference
I thought Motorola amended those interference claims long ago (or should have). Why? 1. Canopy nominal C/I performance (2 to 3 dB) is only achieved at very strong signal. Anywhere any distance (meaning signal not that far above sensitivity) Canopy's C/I isn't much different than any competitors equipment. This was discovered shortly after Canopy first shipped, so any manufacturer provided presentations should clearly have been updated by now. 2. Canopy nominal C/I performance (2 to 3 dB) is only for the slow speed (10mbps). Canopy's higher speed requires much more C/I margin. When you list competitors requiring C/I of 8 to 25 dB the higher figure (25dB) applies to competitors that signal at higher speeds, so the speed note is worthy. Again, the higher speed Canopy optionhas been supported for several years, so the presentations should certainly have been updated. As far as what the claims mean, that's easy. C/I expresses how much signal advantage the device needs above surrounding signals (meaning competitors). The device with a higher C/I needs more signal advantage relative to competitors than the device with the lower C/I. If you've got signals in the air (use your spectrum analyzer mode to see if you're curious) then you definitely want a device with a low C/I. Problem is, Canopy's low C/I claimis knownto be less advantage than what you cited as having picked up from that presentation. Rich - Original Message - From: Mario Pommier To: WISPA General List Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 9:52 AM Subject: [WISPA] canopy interference Does someone know what these claims mean?Saw them in a Canopy presentation: Canopy was optimized to ignore external interference. Every radio is factory tested to meet throughput at 3db C/I (channel interference?) Canopy nominal C/I performance is ~2 dB. Competitions C/I requirements are 8db 25 db.Thanks.Mario -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy interference
Mario, Don't tell me you are thinking of buying Canopy. Don't make me come up there... :-) -B- Mario Pommier wrote: Does someone know what these claims mean? Saw them in a Canopy presentation: –Canopy was optimized to ignore external interference. –Every radio is factory tested to meet throughput at 3db C/I (channel interference?) –Canopy nominal C/I performance is ~2 dB. –Competitions’ C/I requirements are 8db – 25 db. Thanks. Mario * * -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy
Brian what is the price for the Tiltek 120. Original message Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 00:00:37 -0500 From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Ok, to clarify. Moto does NOT make Vertical integrated units for 900mhz? All of moto's 900 gear is horizontal. Next question. 900mhz sectors. I was at the double radius site looking through antennas. This antenna http://www.tiltek.com/final/pdfs/TA-926H-4-120.pdf looks nice. What's the quality and price of it compared to other 900 sectors? It costs $525 for 3. With my setup, I am not looking for capacity, I am looking for maximum coverage. Would 3 120* sectors cover and penetrate the same area as using 6 60* integrated APs? Or is the coverage of the 60* not enough of an improvement to justify the cost of 1 site with 6 antennas vs 2 sites with 3 on each? I was thinking that the 60 x60 beam of the integrated units cover more than the 120 x 19 of the sectors. And then there is the gain. Brian G.Villarini wrote: Wait a sec, you talking 900 mhz? the integrated 900 units are horizontal...both the ap and sm Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] canopy Ok, then to go horizontal an external antenna is required. Which also means, one would never be able to use the Canopy integrated unit. Where do you Canopy users out there get your favorite 900 antennas at? G.Villarini wrote: Nop, just vertical Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] canopy is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Ron Wallace Hahnron, Inc. 220 S. Jackson St. Addison, MI 49220 Phone: (517) 547-8410 Mobile: (517) 605-4542 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] canopy
Nop, just vertical Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] canopy is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] canopy
unless you mount it horizontally. :-) G.Villarini wrote: Nop, just vertical Gino A. Villarini, Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.aeronetpr.com 787.767.7466 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:22 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] canopy is canopy horizontal and vertical like trango? Software switchable? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
