Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers
A GSR is a plenty powerful enough router to handle multiple FE and GigE circuits, but they are prone to failure just as anything else is. Make sure you've got spares on hand and like Dylan mentioned make sure it has at least 512MB RAM. BTW, one of our GigE upstream providers has been running a GSR and it has demonstrated a poorer overall available uptime than the 3GHz MikroTik we have peered with it. YMMV Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Bouterse Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 7:49 AM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers Make sure you're getting more than 256MB of RAM if you're doing full routes to 2 different peers. The GSRs can be really expensive to upgrade if they don't already have what you need. Dylan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:39 AM To: Motorola Canopy User Group; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Cisco GSR Routers While looking for a Router to handle our dual 100 mbps with BGP , I stumbled into lots of Cisco GSR12000 series routers on ebay, with apparently great pricing and Gigabit Card option...whts the story on this routers? Are they any good? Would it handle a couple of 100 FE circuits with the eventuality of growing into a Gigabit circuit? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1607 - Release Date: 8/12/2008 7:19 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] feedback request
Rick, Nice work. It's not often we see installations posted on any of these discussion lists that are done well enough to be shared IMO. Marlon, Wow, not sure where to even start with you and your comment, so I won't. My guess is you're the type that doesn't make his bed in the morning either. Why bother? You're just going to be in it again that evening, right? No need to make it just to have it get messed up again. geesh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request OK, you guys that make your boxes so nice and pretty What do you do when the equipment you put in no longer works and the replacement is much different? I've started with nice enclosures only to have them turn to crap in a couple of years. marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request Tracy, Our standard is 6 on small sites, up to 12 on larger sites. I have attached some pictures of how we do it now. I am interested in a solution that would take one power feed! It sure would make cabling easier. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Tippett Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:36 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] feedback request Ladies Gentlemen, I am looking for some feedback. How many POE devices are you typically locating at a single location? Access Point? Customer Premise? What is your highest concentration at a single location? This information is requested to help in design considerations for emerging products Tracy Tippett -- -- Tracy Tippett 1156 N. Turquoise Drive Prescott, AZ 86303 928-776-4742 866-582-7287 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:01 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT DOMs
I did a search for sata dom and found one or two. They are out there, but I haven't purchased yet. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT DOMs Hi, We have used a lot of the PQI DOM (Disk on Module) units for our Mikrotik installations in x86 systems. However, some of the newer systemboards don't even have IDE on them, only SATA. Does anyone know a good source for the same type of module, but in a SATA form factor? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT DOMs
http://www.memory.com/item.asp?item=TS1GSDOM22V This is what you're looking for, right? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 9:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT DOMs I did a search for sata dom and found one or two. They are out there, but I haven't purchased yet. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT DOMs Hi, We have used a lot of the PQI DOM (Disk on Module) units for our Mikrotik installations in x86 systems. However, some of the newer systemboards don't even have IDE on them, only SATA. Does anyone know a good source for the same type of module, but in a SATA form factor? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT DOMs
Hey Travis, Did you get one of these in and try it yet? Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT DOMs Yes. Thanks. I found another unit, but it was more expensive for smaller size. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: http://www.memory.com/item.asp?item=TS1GSDOM22V This is what you're looking for, right? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 9:30 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT DOMs I did a search for sata dom and found one or two. They are out there, but I haven't purchased yet. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] MT DOMs Hi, We have used a lot of the PQI DOM (Disk on Module) units for our Mikrotik installations in x86 systems. However, some of the newer systemboards don't even have IDE on them, only SATA. Does anyone know a good source for the same type of module, but in a SATA form factor? thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Netflix and TiVo
If I'm a water company the more water I sell the better. If I'm an electric company the more electricity I sell the better. So, how is this Netflix/Tivo deal a bad thing for an ISP? I see this as simply more pressure on the ISP industry as a whole to increase prices and/or move to a consumption model no different than the aforementioned. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:20 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Netflix and TiVo Netflix and TiVo are getting together.. more bandwidth anybody? Labor and postage gone, and we deliver it (nearly free) at the customer expense ! http://tinyurl.com/6286v8 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 3.65
grin.I think Matt just did. Brad From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65 LOL Matt Liotta wrote: We did test them. I would rather not share bad experiences on a public list. See you at ISPCON. -Matt On Nov 3, 2008, at 11:14 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Matt, What does that mean? Have you tested it? Was it good or bad? Travis Microserv Matt Liotta wrote: There is already an SR3 card. I would HIGHLY suggest you test it throughly before deploying. -Matt On Nov 3, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: That would be great... but is there a time frame? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: There are companies out there working on non-802.11 3.65 GHz systems that provide the same spectral efficiency as WiMAX, but without the WiMAX hype price tag. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 8:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 3.65 Matt, I agree. We are looking at the same thing... putting up some 3.65ghz AP's on our bigger towers and moving heavy usage customers to that. However, until base stations are less than $8k, the WiMax people can keep spending money on advertising, trade- shows, etc. telling us how great they are, I'm not going to buy. When you can buy a licensed microwave radio link for $8k (less antennas), and you know the company is making money, there is no reason 3.65ghz base stations have to be $8k+. Hopefully at some point, they will wake up and realize there is an entire market they are missing. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: I'm with Travis on this, with the exception of using StarOS instead of Mikrotik. It is nice to have a set of standard, mature tools such as radius, cbq/iptable rules and standard, non-vendor specific hardware to work with instead of having to use a limited, proprietary system limited to a single vendor. I've deployed/consulted on 802.11 a/b/g networks representing 8000+ CPE units and it can be made to work just fine as long as it is managed properly. Travis is a pro, and he has the experience to design his network in such a way as to maximize the performance of his equipment. There are many others out there having the same success. FWIW, I believe the most logical next step is to start moving heavy usage customers over to 3.65 WiMAX gear starting next spring. I think we are near the threshold of what is going to be possible with unlicensed equipment - barring some kind of amazing breakthrough. I foresee a need to deploy smaller and smaller cells to maintain the desired performance level. It helps to have 10mhz channel sizes available to maximize the utilization of existing spectrum, but even that is starting to get awfully crowded. Whitespaces sure would help. I spent the last two years putting up 802.11a based APs across my entire service area and migrating customers from 2.4 to them to get the higher ARPU from faster speeds and VOIP service. I foresee spending the next two years deploying licensed backhauls and 3.65 APs starting with the high traffic areas and working out to the fringes. Its the neverending story. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, We don't use DHCP. Every single customer gets a real, static IP address. We also a assign a static IP address to every radio (for management). When I posted the question a month ago about how to force an SM to connect to a specific AP on a tower, the only answer was color code. This isn't really an option, as that means the installer has to change the color code in the field. All of our current radios are setup and ready to connect to ANY tower and ANY AP on that tower without the installer doing anything in the field. And how does first level tech support even find the correct radio in the AP list for a customer on the phone? They have to scroll through 160 people to find them by MAC address? Yes, Canopy is a slower radio in today's world. 14Mbps of total throughput on a 20mhz channel is SLOW. Using Mikrotik I can get 30Mbps (double the speed) on the same channel size. Or I can use a 10mhz channel and get 15Mbps. And all these speeds can be delivered via upload or download or any combination, I don't have to set a specific percentage of up/down. And how do you guarantee 7ms latency? What happens if a customer gets 8ms? And how do they test that measurement? And what happens when a customer completely clobbers an AP and 160 customers are getting 20ms latency? Or you have interference from a new provider and all those people get 100ms latency? Travis Microserv Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: All of the complaints are easily overcome with the proper management software, DHCP reservations etc. You can easily force the SM
Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...
As much as I'd love to be able to use smaller antennas than 6' with 6GHz that is a real bad idea. It's hard enough finding an available 6GHz freq pair in some areas today. Allowing smaller antennas would likely mean even fewer available freq pairs. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Yes. A bettter use of time and spectrum is to fight for smaller antennas to be allowed on 6Ghz. Sorta like what was jsut done to 11Ghz. The 6ft requirement is a preventer for many. But that argument doesn;t hold for Whitespace as Whitespace antennas would be bigger.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I can't understand why there's all this discussion of PtP... aren't there already MANY bands established for PtP, including some (6 GHz) that have quite some range to them? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Butch, Then, the music turned to noise You hit the nail right on the head, with your comment. They talked up broadband, but then gave us Personal portable instead, and said, but we really need to consider PTP, CLECs and Carriers are also a very important part of broadband delivery.. The problem was not the WISPA messengers or message, Jack, Steve and FCC committee did an awesome job, about as good as humanly possible. But the commission obviously was not listening, or chose to ignore us. What was clear is that they hear Google and Microsoft loud and clear. Atleast, we know where we stand now. We also have a focused goal moving forward. The rules are still easy to fix, if the FCC will allow it. All they have to do is waive the magic wand and change 100mw to 4w (at least for non-adjacent channels), and it'll be fixed. We can survive in UNlicensed we've done it from day one, but we can't survive without adequate power. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wispa List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA Members List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Commissioner Adelstein has long been a pretty good friend of our industry. In truth, I have not always agreed with him, but in his comments today he made a couple of statements that were music to my ears. Then, the music turned to noise White spaces are the blank pages on which we will write our broadband future. I can't agree more. He also said: Today?s decision is consequential to our nation?s future because wireless broadband has the potential to improve our economy and quality of life in even the remotest areas. Again, when I heard this, I thought he must REALLY get it. Then, he went on to say this: Unlicensed spectrum holds by far the most promise for maximizing the use of white spaces. Our balanced approach in this order provides the flexibility and low barriers to entry needed to provide an opportunity for everyone to make the best use of this under-used spectrum. It also implements safeguards to protect those that already make valuable use of the spectrum. WHAT? The most promise? I'm not horribly disappointed about the overall likely outcome of the rules, but how can he think that unlicensed at 100mW is going to maximize the use of anything? Unlicensed used has not been bad for us as WISPs in the past, but these power levels will not give us anywhere near the useful spectrum that the WISPA suggested licensed lite approach could have offered. I won't continue in disecting his statement since most of it was not something I am very positive about. All talk today centered around point-to-point deployments and nothing about ptmp. This is not a perfect scenario, but it's not a total loss. I strongly suggest that all interested parties (that's you if you are a WISP) at least read the statements and news release at http://www.fcc.gov/ and see for yourself. I don't think the decisions were a total loss. We did get geolocation, which is very important to WISPA's position. We also got adjacent channel space, which was very unexpected. The only real problems I see are the lack of sufficient power, which is
Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...
Tom, Off the top of my head my guess is the difference is going to be much greater than 1* between 3' and 6' antennas. Probably two to three times that and yes, that does make a big difference. While the 11Ghz secondary license is available it would probably never be allowed on our network. Why go to all the expense of a 11Ghz system only to have the possibility for it to need to be revamped or brought down? Yes, a larger antenna can be a good bit more to handle than a smaller antenna, but the chance of possibly having to redo the job a second time isn't worth it. Do it right the first time and forget about it. Granted, there is always the exception to the rule, but IMO and in our market secondary licensed links are for the birds. The barrier to entry as you call it is a good thing! We are, after all, talking about licensed links and not UL. Why risk having diptidos screw up even more RF space. grin I'm all for keeping the entry point to licensed links at a much higher standard. The critical services that are dependent on these licensed links (Chuck outlines some of these in another post) are reason enough. I'll pay more for a better product and more piece of mind. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... There is a ton of licensed 6 GHz systems already deployed. They make you use a larger antenna so the beamwidth is narrower. I allows more frequency reuse due to lower sidelobes and less footprint. We are in a rural area and sometimes they have a hard time finding us a pair of 50 MHz channels to use @ 6 GHz. The propagation characteristics are much better for our 60 mile hops. Not sure we could even get it to work at 18 GHz, possibly 11. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Ok, that opens up a useful conversation. Why is that? 11Ghz and 18Ghz have plenty of free channels with 2-4ft antennas.allowed. I don't see anywhere near as many 6ft antennas hanging on towers as I do 2-4ft antennas, inferring that the concept of larger antenna is not translating to larger deployment. I get a tremendous amount of re-use with 5.8Ghz unlicensed and 2ft dishes. So why is the same not achievalbe with 6Ghz, if allowed a 3ft antennas? Is the 1 degree really going to make that much of a difference? Is 6 Mhz really that much more deployed and saturated? And why not do it under the same premise as 11Ghz, where the smaller antenna is secondary and must defer to the primary lciesne of the larger size antenna? The fact is 6Ghz equipment is on the shelf, and there is unused spectrum available, I'd love to be able to use it. I don;t think I have one tower or property owner that would allow a 6ft antenna to be installed. 6ft requirement is effectively creating a huge barrier to entry. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... As much as I'd love to be able to use smaller antennas than 6' with 6GHz that is a real bad idea. It's hard enough finding an available 6GHz freq pair in some areas today. Allowing smaller antennas would likely mean even fewer available freq pairs. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Yes. A bettter use of time and spectrum is to fight for smaller antennas to be allowed on 6Ghz. Sorta like what was jsut done to 11Ghz. The 6ft requirement is a preventer for many. But that argument doesn;t hold for Whitespace as Whitespace antennas would be bigger.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I can't understand why there's all this discussion of PtP... aren't there already MANY bands established for PtP, including some (6 GHz) that have quite some range to them? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup
Don't bother with the web interface. Skim through the manual and do all configuration and management from the CLI. As for the not accepting the freq/channel...you either don't have the ODU powered up or you are trying to set a freq the ODU doesn't support. I can be available if you are still having difficulty. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup anyone can provide me with a list of basic setup for the Gigalinks? for some reason its not accpeting my rf configuration ( freq and channel size) I also just discovered i needed to turn on the odu via CLI ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup
Hello Gino, You would really be doing yourself a favor to skim through the manual and then start asking more specific questions, but here's a rundown from memory on critical configuration points: (1) Enter configuration mode by typing con and enter password (2) odup on this turns on power to the ODU (3) cabl x.xx x.xx x.xx refer to manual for cable loss settings. 100' of LMR400 would be: cabl 1.48 2.25 3.90 (4) freq 19xxx this sets the TX freq for the ODU. Refer to your freq coordination (5) speed channel_bw modulation speed 3 qam16 would be used to set the radio to a 40MHz channel at QAM16. refer to freq coordination. (6) default on this sets default_opmode to ON (7) rat off this turns auto rate shift off. When first setting up you want this feature off. (8) odul on this turns on the ODU LED RSSI Display to aide in alignment (9) align on this turns on alignment mode which increases the refresh rate in which the RSSI is displayed. (10) target -35 this sets your target RSSI to -35 refer to your freq coordination for your expected RSSI reading (11) power 17 this sets your TX power to 17db refer to your freq coordination for your power setting Do not leave the align on after you have completed alignment. Do not leave the odul on after you have completed alignment. The cable loss settings, target RSSI and power will all have an effect on your RSSI, BER and MSE. This is something that I have been speaking with Trango about, but just takes time to learn and feel your way to the ideal combination. While the Giga radios are not a plug-in, point and walk away radio set they have proven to be very reliable, flexible and live up to their claims. We have deployed several Giga radios (6GHz, 11GHz and 18GHz) and have several more planned for the very near future. The price vs. feature set the Giga offers make it a hard radio to pass up. Additionally, Trango support has been good. Feel free to try me at the office if you have any questions. You probably will on your first one...grin Once you have it up and running you'll be very happy with the performance. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup Im going to do this early am tomorrow, Could you send me a checklist of items to configure? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:59 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup Don't bother with the web interface. Skim through the manual and do all configuration and management from the CLI. As for the not accepting the freq/channel...you either don't have the ODU powered up or you are trying to set a freq the ODU doesn't support. I can be available if you are still having difficulty. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup anyone can provide me with a list of basic setup for the Gigalinks? for some reason its not accpeting my rf configuration ( freq and channel size) I also just discovered i needed to turn on the odu via CLI ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup
On its way off list. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup Thanks, The manual I have obn hand is a pre release one, lots of info is missing... Got the latest available? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 2:49 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup Hello Gino, You would really be doing yourself a favor to skim through the manual and then start asking more specific questions, but here's a rundown from memory on critical configuration points: (1) Enter configuration mode by typing con and enter password (2) odup on this turns on power to the ODU (3) cabl x.xx x.xx x.xx refer to manual for cable loss settings. 100' of LMR400 would be: cabl 1.48 2.25 3.90 (4) freq 19xxx this sets the TX freq for the ODU. Refer to your freq coordination (5) speed channel_bw modulation speed 3 qam16 would be used to set the radio to a 40MHz channel at QAM16. refer to freq coordination. (6) default on this sets default_opmode to ON (7) rat off this turns auto rate shift off. When first setting up you want this feature off. (8) odul on this turns on the ODU LED RSSI Display to aide in alignment (9) align on this turns on alignment mode which increases the refresh rate in which the RSSI is displayed. (10) target -35 this sets your target RSSI to -35 refer to your freq coordination for your expected RSSI reading (11) power 17 this sets your TX power to 17db refer to your freq coordination for your power setting Do not leave the align on after you have completed alignment. Do not leave the odul on after you have completed alignment. The cable loss settings, target RSSI and power will all have an effect on your RSSI, BER and MSE. This is something that I have been speaking with Trango about, but just takes time to learn and feel your way to the ideal combination. While the Giga radios are not a plug-in, point and walk away radio set they have proven to be very reliable, flexible and live up to their claims. We have deployed several Giga radios (6GHz, 11GHz and 18GHz) and have several more planned for the very near future. The price vs. feature set the Giga offers make it a hard radio to pass up. Additionally, Trango support has been good. Feel free to try me at the office if you have any questions. You probably will on your first one...grin Once you have it up and running you'll be very happy with the performance. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 10:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup Im going to do this early am tomorrow, Could you send me a checklist of items to configure? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:59 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup Don't bother with the web interface. Skim through the manual and do all configuration and management from the CLI. As for the not accepting the freq/channel...you either don't have the ODU powered up or you are trying to set a freq the ODU doesn't support. I can be available if you are still having difficulty. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link provisioning setup anyone can provide me with a list of basic setup for the Gigalinks? for some reason its not accpeting my rf configuration ( freq and channel size) I also just discovered i needed to turn on the odu via CLI ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...
Hello Daniel, A license from the FCC is typically 10yrs on the frequencies we are speaking of. How long has the secondary license option been available? Not very long or nearly long enough to conclude it hasn't or won't become an issue. With the rate that we are seeing licensed links being deployed it won't be long before those cases become much more prevalent. Just an opinion... Just curious, but where did you find or hear that this has only happened once or twice? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Brad, I would encourage you to find 5 cases where 11GHz secondary license holders had to upgrade dishes. From what I understand it hasn't happened more than once or twice... doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. I'm going to be helping a customer deploy an 11Ghz 2ft dish link (would be 18GHz if it was allowed in that part of Colorado) in the next week. I'm not ever worried about an issue with it Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Tom, Off the top of my head my guess is the difference is going to be much greater than 1* between 3' and 6' antennas. Probably two to three times that and yes, that does make a big difference. While the 11Ghz secondary license is available it would probably never be allowed on our network. Why go to all the expense of a 11Ghz system only to have the possibility for it to need to be revamped or brought down? Yes, a larger antenna can be a good bit more to handle than a smaller antenna, but the chance of possibly having to redo the job a second time isn't worth it. Do it right the first time and forget about it. Granted, there is always the exception to the rule, but IMO and in our market secondary licensed links are for the birds. The barrier to entry as you call it is a good thing! We are, after all, talking about licensed links and not UL. Why risk having diptidos screw up even more RF space. grin I'm all for keeping the entry point to licensed links at a much higher standard. The critical services that are dependent on these licensed links (Chuck outlines some of these in another post) are reason enough. I'll pay more for a better product and more piece of mind. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... There is a ton of licensed 6 GHz systems already deployed. They make you use a larger antenna so the beamwidth is narrower. I allows more frequency reuse due to lower sidelobes and less footprint. We are in a rural area and sometimes they have a hard time finding us a pair of 50 MHz channels to use @ 6 GHz. The propagation characteristics are much better for our 60 mile hops. Not sure we could even get it to work at 18 GHz, possibly 11. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Ok, that opens up a useful conversation. Why is that? 11Ghz and 18Ghz have plenty of free channels with 2-4ft antennas.allowed. I don't see anywhere near as many 6ft antennas hanging on towers as I do 2-4ft antennas, inferring that the concept of larger antenna is not translating to larger deployment. I get a tremendous amount of re-use with 5.8Ghz unlicensed and 2ft dishes. So why is the same not achievalbe with 6Ghz, if allowed a 3ft antennas? Is the 1 degree really going to make that much of a difference? Is 6 Mhz really that much more deployed and saturated? And why not do it under the same premise as 11Ghz, where the smaller antenna is secondary and must defer to the primary lciesne of the larger size antenna? The fact is 6Ghz equipment is on the shelf, and there is unused spectrum available, I'd love to be able to use it. I don;t think I have one tower or property owner that would allow a 6ft antenna to be installed. 6ft requirement is effectively creating a huge barrier to entry. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... As much as I'd love to be able to use smaller antennas than 6' with 6GHz
Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...
. What harms the industry more? Fibertowers asking for prime PtMP Whitespace spectrum for rural backhaul at 25 degree beamwidths minimum? or Shrinking the 6ghz antenna size to 3-4ft and going from a 1deg to 2 degree beamwidth? Tom DeReggi Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Ok, that opens up a useful conversation. Why is that? 11Ghz and 18Ghz have plenty of free channels with 2-4ft antennas.allowed. I don't see anywhere near as many 6ft antennas hanging on towers as I do 2-4ft antennas, inferring that the concept of larger antenna is not translating to larger deployment. I get a tremendous amount of re-use with 5.8Ghz unlicensed and 2ft dishes. So why is the same not achievalbe with 6Ghz, if allowed a 3ft antennas? Is the 1 degree really going to make that much of a difference? Is 6 Mhz really that much more deployed and saturated? And why not do it under the same premise as 11Ghz, where the smaller antenna is secondary and must defer to the primary lciesne of the larger size antenna? The fact is 6Ghz equipment is on the shelf, and there is unused spectrum available, I'd love to be able to use it. I don;t think I have one tower or property owner that would allow a 6ft antenna to be installed. 6ft requirement is effectively creating a huge barrier to entry. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... As much as I'd love to be able to use smaller antennas than 6' with 6GHz that is a real bad idea. It's hard enough finding an available 6GHz freq pair in some areas today. Allowing smaller antennas would likely mean even fewer available freq pairs. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 3:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Yes. A bettter use of time and spectrum is to fight for smaller antennas to be allowed on 6Ghz. Sorta like what was jsut done to 11Ghz. The 6ft requirement is a preventer for many. But that argument doesn;t hold for Whitespace as Whitespace antennas would be bigger.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... I can't understand why there's all this discussion of PtP... aren't there already MANY bands established for PtP, including some (6 GHz) that have quite some range to them? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:27 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Butch, Then, the music turned to noise You hit the nail right on the head, with your comment. They talked up broadband, but then gave us Personal portable instead, and said, but we really need to consider PTP, CLECs and Carriers are also a very important part of broadband delivery.. The problem was not the WISPA messengers or message, Jack, Steve and FCC committee did an awesome job, about as good as humanly possible. But the commission obviously was not listening, or chose to ignore us. What was clear is that they hear Google and Microsoft loud and clear. Atleast, we know where we stand now. We also have a focused goal moving forward. The rules are still easy to fix, if the FCC will allow it. All they have to do is waive the magic wand and change 100mw to 4w (at least for non-adjacent channels), and it'll be fixed. We can survive in UNlicensed we've done it from day one, but we can't survive without adequate power. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wispa List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA Members List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Commissioner Adelstein has long been a pretty good friend of our industry. In truth, I have not always agreed with him, but in his comments today he made a couple of statements
Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today...
Interesting as the guys at Micronet advised us not to consider secondary licenses. Why do it when a secondary license could put you in an undesirable position at some time in the future? The fewer surprises the better, IMO. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 8:37 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Brad, Your right... I think its only been available for 2 years or so... so I guess it could become more of an issue. I had a long conversation with a few of the guys over at Micronet... they told me that between all of the guys over there, they had never seen a secondary license be forced to upgrade dishes Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:42 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Hello Daniel, A license from the FCC is typically 10yrs on the frequencies we are speaking of. How long has the secondary license option been available? Not very long or nearly long enough to conclude it hasn't or won't become an issue. With the rate that we are seeing licensed links being deployed it won't be long before those cases become much more prevalent. Just an opinion... Just curious, but where did you find or hear that this has only happened once or twice? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Brad, I would encourage you to find 5 cases where 11GHz secondary license holders had to upgrade dishes. From what I understand it hasn't happened more than once or twice... doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. I'm going to be helping a customer deploy an 11Ghz 2ft dish link (would be 18GHz if it was allowed in that part of Colorado) in the next week. I'm not ever worried about an issue with it Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Tom, Off the top of my head my guess is the difference is going to be much greater than 1* between 3' and 6' antennas. Probably two to three times that and yes, that does make a big difference. While the 11Ghz secondary license is available it would probably never be allowed on our network. Why go to all the expense of a 11Ghz system only to have the possibility for it to need to be revamped or brought down? Yes, a larger antenna can be a good bit more to handle than a smaller antenna, but the chance of possibly having to redo the job a second time isn't worth it. Do it right the first time and forget about it. Granted, there is always the exception to the rule, but IMO and in our market secondary licensed links are for the birds. The barrier to entry as you call it is a good thing! We are, after all, talking about licensed links and not UL. Why risk having diptidos screw up even more RF space. grin I'm all for keeping the entry point to licensed links at a much higher standard. The critical services that are dependent on these licensed links (Chuck outlines some of these in another post) are reason enough. I'll pay more for a better product and more piece of mind. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 5:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... There is a ton of licensed 6 GHz systems already deployed. They make you use a larger antenna so the beamwidth is narrower. I allows more frequency reuse due to lower sidelobes and less footprint. We are in a rural area and sometimes they have a hard time finding us a pair of 50 MHz channels to use @ 6 GHz. The propagation characteristics are much better for our 60 mile hops. Not sure we could even get it to work at 18 GHz, possibly 11. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] My favorite quotes from the FCC TVWS meeting today... Ok, that opens up a useful conversation. Why is that? 11Ghz and 18Ghz have plenty of free channels with 2-4ft antennas.allowed. I don't see anywhere near as many 6ft antennas hanging on towers as I do 2-4ft antennas, inferring that the concept of larger antenna is not translating to larger deployment. I get a tremendous amount of re-use
Re: [WISPA] OT election results
Well it's certainly clear that our taxes will be going up. Hope everyone enjoys it. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT election results Hi All, Since I've not seen any political discussions here of late I'm guessing that most folks were just as discussed at the choices as I was. Anyone have any thoughts as to what the next 2 to 4 years will be like for us? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 1.9ghz?
Yes, the DECT phones are great! I've had a Uniden set for about a year or more. I think I've got five or six handsets throughout the house. They are a bit older in design (no keypad backlight), but the newer styles are pretty slick. Definitely go for DECT when it comes to cordless phones IMO. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 1.9ghz? Hi, I wasn't aware you could get a cordless phone that operates in 1.9ghz??? Uniden DECT2080-2 shows it operates in the interference free cordless frequency. Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information
It could be the movie. I have noticed some movies look much worse than others even at the highest bandwidth rating. I downloaded Fred Claus and it came down at about 17Mbps for the first few minutes and then stabilized with 4-5Mbps bursts of traffic every couple minutes through the movie. The picture on my 50 plasma was as good as anything else I've watched on it. I then downloaded something else (don't remember what it was) and the picture was much worse. YMMV Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:23 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetFlix Streaming Bandwidth Information In case you did not know, recently NetFlix and Microsoft teamed up to provide video on-demand services to all of the XBox 360 users. Not only can you start one of 12,000 videos in a matter of seconds on your computer, but you can also do this right on your Xbox 360, bringing it mainstream for many who have never used it. Not to mention the super low cost of basically $9 bucks a month! Went out and bought me an XBOX 360 elite couple days ago just to check this out. Shame since I already have a PS3 I am very happy with and it has bluray. Plus, online play is free with PS3. Anyway, I already had a Netflix account so I linked it with my new Live account. On a 2mbps connection with a 50 HDTV it looks very bad. Regular DVD's are WAY better. I did not take the time to try higher bandwidth though I was in a hurry. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
What if you need wayside T1s or need four VLAN capable GigE ports? Or have several hundred or a thousand feet between the antenna and radio room? Or what if many of your sites already have LMR400 run and replacing or adding cable isn't optimum due to labor costs or increased roof lease costs? It sure is easier to swap out an old PCOM, DMC, Dragonwave or Ceragon radio with a Giga that uses the same cable than an Apex that requires a new cable. To simply state that if you are using 18Ghz then use the Apex over the Giga is ridiculous at best. There are many applications where the Apex is not as good a fit as the Giga. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex If you are using 18GHz, you should use the Apex line. It will offer up to 366Mbps and is a little cheaper. On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daniel, I just got a quote back from Trango for the following: 18ghz (311Mbps full-duplex) with split IDU/ODU 2ft dishes 48v rack mount power supplies Total price = $9,800 Care to share the pricing on a Dragonwave for the same? Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: I guess that's a personal preference. I've installed way more Stratex/Ceragon/Dragonwave links using the voltmeter design and probably just prefer it that way. And yes 5 months ago there might have been a difference when the gear was on sale from Trango and before Dragonwave dropped its pricing. I just did this the other day with a customer. I was able to match Trango for the same throughput Daniel White 3-dB Networks _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Hi, Having used the voltmeter vs. LED method of aligning, I will take the LED any day. One less piece of equipment to have to deal with on the tower, and a much more accurate way to see the true RSSI on the link. And, I think we already did the pricing thing about 5 months ago, didn't we? Seems like the Dragonwave was about $3,000 more for less of a radio... ;) Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Tom, Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber port in them? I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer I was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the Trango Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week. All I did was install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg... but I didn't get to test it with live data, etc. What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick. Give me a BNC connector hooked up to a voltmeter any day. First my voltmeter is going to read to decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links. Second, the LED is about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with your hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was aligning. Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made reading the LED difficult. None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter, I simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where I want. One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer special is long over? Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage anyone to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with Dragonwave... from what I understand I can come damn close :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I thought I'd share my recent experience OK 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And it just freakin Worked! WooHoo! Man, I like this radio. I specificaly liked the fact that the all outdoor unit, comes with 3 ports, 1 fiber, 1 GigE, 1 out-of-band managemnet, and supports inband management on the GigE. What I thought was unique was that either of the two Ethernet ports could be used to provide the POE power input. And also optionally can just run stanrdard Electrical wire to the Molex connector instead if prefer. But I was extremely impressed at the flexibilty in options to install this. The alignment LED is also awesome, that is positioned in a
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the waveguide built onto the dish... One reason. Cost. Trango is able to use the same ODU housing for all their supported freq bands by simply making the waveguide adapter modular. The early Giga radios shipped the waveguide adapters with screws lock washers. I was concerned this left too little screw thread available and opted to leave the washers off. Now the waveguide adapters come with screws and instead of the lock washer they have a rubber ring. While still leaving too little thread IMO, we have never striped one out. It is possible your tech tried to tighten one screw all the way down rather than tightening the screws in an equal pattern similar to the way you would tighten lug nuts on a wheel. I remember emailing Trango and recommending they have their waveguide manufacturer mill out a little more material from the screw seat to allow the screw to thread more fully into the ODU housing. Not sure if that has been done or if it is in the making. I agree the LED display is gimmicky and prefer a BNC port, but does work ok if you have the align mode on. Without the align mode the LED display is pretty useless. We have found it is also not a good idea to be running link or rssi commands from the console while aligning the antennas. Doing so will slow or diminish the accuracy of the LED readings. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex One more quick rant... those waveguide pieces SUCK. They caused many problems (screws on them stripping out, or some tech installing them the wrong way before it was sent up the tower and installed so I when we went to align them it wouldn't work because the waveguide was twisted 90 degrees...) I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the waveguide built onto the dish... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Tom, Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber port in them? I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer I was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the Trango Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week. All I did was install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg... but I didn't get to test it with live data, etc. What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick. Give me a BNC connector hooked up to a voltmeter any day. First my voltmeter is going to read to decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links. Second, the LED is about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with your hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was aligning. Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made reading the LED difficult. None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter, I simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where I want. One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer special is long over? Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage anyone to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with Dragonwave... from what I understand I can come damn close :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I thought I'd share my recent experience OK 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And it just freakin Worked! WooHoo! Man, I like this radio. I specificaly liked the fact that the all outdoor unit, comes with 3 ports, 1 fiber, 1 GigE, 1 out-of-band managemnet, and supports inband management on the GigE. What I thought was unique was that either of the two Ethernet ports could be used to provide the POE power input. And also optionally can just run stanrdard Electrical wire to the Molex connector instead if prefer. But I was extremely impressed at the flexibilty in options to install this. The alignment LED is also awesome, that is positioned in a convenient place and shows actual RSSI DB number, as it really speeds up install and made it possible for one person to accurately align it. Also note... The older Giga had some anoying firmware bugs last year in their Betas (typical of Beta), and I
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... Wow, just noticed this comment and felt this should be addressed. The handles should not be used for alignment as the ODU is attached to the antenna - suspended with relatively light duty hardware. This hardware is only designed to support the ODU and not intended to be used to move the entire antenna assembly. This is also true with Ceragon, PCOM, DMC and Bridgewave to be sure. The PCOM 38GHz ODUs do have a sort of bump stop built-in that will make contact before the ODU is pivoted and eventually forced off, but still the ODU is never to be used as a handle to align with. Always use the built-in alignment mechanism in the antenna mount and never the ODU itself Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the waveguide built onto the dish... One reason. Cost. Trango is able to use the same ODU housing for all their supported freq bands by simply making the waveguide adapter modular. The early Giga radios shipped the waveguide adapters with screws lock washers. I was concerned this left too little screw thread available and opted to leave the washers off. Now the waveguide adapters come with screws and instead of the lock washer they have a rubber ring. While still leaving too little thread IMO, we have never striped one out. It is possible your tech tried to tighten one screw all the way down rather than tightening the screws in an equal pattern similar to the way you would tighten lug nuts on a wheel. I remember emailing Trango and recommending they have their waveguide manufacturer mill out a little more material from the screw seat to allow the screw to thread more fully into the ODU housing. Not sure if that has been done or if it is in the making. I agree the LED display is gimmicky and prefer a BNC port, but does work ok if you have the align mode on. Without the align mode the LED display is pretty useless. We have found it is also not a good idea to be running link or rssi commands from the console while aligning the antennas. Doing so will slow or diminish the accuracy of the LED readings. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex One more quick rant... those waveguide pieces SUCK. They caused many problems (screws on them stripping out, or some tech installing them the wrong way before it was sent up the tower and installed so I when we went to align them it wouldn't work because the waveguide was twisted 90 degrees...) I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the waveguide built onto the dish... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Tom, Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber port in them? I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer I was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the Trango Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week. All I did was install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg... but I didn't get to test it with live data, etc. What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick. Give me a BNC connector hooked up to a voltmeter any day. First my voltmeter is going to read to decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links. Second, the LED is about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with your hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was aligning. Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made reading the LED difficult. None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter, I simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where I want. One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer special is long over? Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage anyone to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with Dragonwave... from what I understand I can come damn close :-) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Not sure how many of you have
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
Have to disagree. The thing I hate about antennas (and equipment) that are NOT like RadioWaves is they don't fit on the larger pipes. Something tells me RadioWaves makes their brackets they way they do for a reason. Use the right diameter pipe and preferably schedule 40 or even better yet schedule 80 thickness and you'll never need to revisit an installation due to movement. Stabilizer bars are recommended on 4' antennas and included with 6' and larger antennas. Use them whenever recommended...you'll be much more happy long term. Large pipes are not only useful for large antennas, but also beneficial for small antennas in the millimeter bands. The mounts we used for the last BridgeWave AR80X-AES link we installed were 4 diameter and weighed a hundred or more pounds each. The X in AR80X means 2' antennas...by no means large antennas, but 80GHz can be sensitive to movement. We made sure there is no movement due to our mounts. grin Yes, you can even mount a 15' antenna to a tower with 2 legs, but the antenna will still be attached to a 4 or larger pipe as it should. The larger pipe is then attached at several points to the 2 tower legs with cross members and tiebacks. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex The only thing I do NOT like about the Radiowave dishes are The mounts are designed for 4 pole. We usually mount to 3 pole, based on weight, availabilty, and ease to work with. It can be mounted securely to 2-3/8 pole, if lots of washers are used. Mounting to 2 pole, doesn't really work. In an ideal world, it can be argued that for 3ft dishes, that 3 pole is the minimal size viable to keep it stable enough and prevent pivot windload. But if the only option is to mount to a 2 dia member, its the facts. Often to use these mounts on 2 pole, installers will use an intermediate, pole to pole mount, and mount a 4 pole to the 2 tower member pole. But its a pain in the neck to do that and much heavier to hoist, and the antenna is still vulnerable to the weakest link, the 2 tower member. Or they Shim the Ubolts with a third pipe The problem is that many Towers have only 2 dia members at the 200ft heights. Unlike a freestanding mast fastened on one side only, a 2 dia tower member is usually strong enough for the large antenna. What I'd like to see is an adapter made, that will adapt the 4 design mount to support 2 pole. This would be accomplished by a metal bracket that the 4 Ubolts would be inserted through, prior to sliding through the mount holes. I'd have much more confidence in that, than 2 inches deep of washers. Note: this is not a disadvantage of Trango, I see this problem with most all large antenna mounts, designed for mission critical 4 pole mount. Some other vendors have a hole/bracket on the mount, that allowed a cross member from it, so a bar could be extended off to the side, to help stablize it, where only 2 pole was available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... Wow, just noticed this comment and felt this should be addressed. The handles should not be used for alignment as the ODU is attached to the antenna - suspended with relatively light duty hardware. This hardware is only designed to support the ODU and not intended to be used to move the entire antenna assembly. This is also true with Ceragon, PCOM, DMC and Bridgewave to be sure. The PCOM 38GHz ODUs do have a sort of bump stop built-in that will make contact before the ODU is pivoted and eventually forced off, but still the ODU is never to be used as a handle to align with. Always use the built-in alignment mechanism in the antenna mount and never the ODU itself Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:42 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex I don't understand why Trango did that... my really old PCom links had the waveguide built onto the dish... One reason. Cost. Trango is able to use the same ODU housing for all their supported freq bands by simply making the waveguide adapter modular. The early Giga radios shipped the waveguide adapters with screws lock washers. I was concerned this left too little screw thread available and opted to leave the washers off. Now the waveguide adapters come with screws and instead of the lock washer they have a rubber ring. While still leaving too little thread IMO, we have never striped one out
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Exactly... Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3 Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex The absolute voltage doesn't matter, nor does it matter if there is an accurate function between volts and received signal. It only matters that you can peak it to the maximum with more accuracy than with LEDs. Moving it fractions of a degree and seeing the least significant digit of a millivolt display is not someting you can do with LEDs. There is precision and there is accuracy. The LEDs are not precise. The Voltmeter is precise. Who knows if either is accurate but since we are doing a peaking function, accuracy doesn't matter. - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Shouldn't it be attached with a BNC connector on o You got me there. If the proper cables exist to accomplish that, its all good to use a voltmeter. Provided that the the Voltage to DB conversions is accurate, and that the installer can remember what voltage they should have to a certain db. Where this applies is with side lobes and such. When its a DB reading, it is always clear whether you are within 2-4 db of the actuall signal you engineered to reieve, For example, you instantly recognize that if you are 20db off calculated signal, you are probably aligned to a side lobe. The math conversion doesn't have to be made in the head. Voltage to db curve is not always proportional. For example when aligning Proxim 60Ghz, it was a voltage range from 1 to 3 volts. Sure I knew 2 volts was our target number, but what did it really mean if I got 1.34 volts? It meant looking at a graph on paper, and calculating what DB it was equivellent to. So in summary I'm saying it may be just as easy to align and find the center with a Voltmeter, maybe even easier. But with an LED, its easier to have a ball park view of where you are at with alignment. The LED also give the value that its there for times when you aren't repaired in advance. I can give an example of last week, when the Tech did not fasten the antenna bolts tight enough, and the antenna blew slightly out of alignment. When I was out in the field on sasles calls, I was able to send the clsoest tech, who was NOT prepared with the right voltmenter and special cable, and a charged laptop battery, and he was still empowered to fix the roof top link w/ the LED. All our techs, at minimum, carry a wrench with them. On a side note, if this were on a real tower, this oviously is not an advantage, as nobody would justify climbing a comercial tower, without being adequately prepared with tools/meters needed. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex - Link Quality We looked at the BER results, etc. I guess what I was saying was I did not get the opportunity to kill them and test PPS or actual throughput... all I did was climb the tower where they had already been installed, align the dish, and configure the IDU. So I can't give a completely fair analysis of the radios... - LED I agree it is bright and position is optimal. With the sun shining directly on it I had to constantly cover it up with my hand to read the numbers though. If I had a voltmeter I would have just repositioned it on the ODU. The position of the LED is also fine on the ODU, but depending on how the dish was mounted and I was hanging off the tower it could be in a position blocked by a crossmember, etc. There is no way to engineer this better, but the ability to move the voltmeter around is preferable. I also prefer the accuracy of the voltmeter to the two digit LED... I guess my optimal solution would be to include both on the ODU... - Voltmeter... Shouldn't it be attached with a BNC connector on one end and wired into the voltmeter on the other. I don't understand your comment about having to deal with the wires... - Mounting Hoist I agree... it would make life much easier if they could install a hook on the back of the dish much like the Orthogon radios - Pricing I think my point is that they are very close now, and I like the Dragonwave product more than the Trango product (although from what I can tell it appears to be a decent product, although the firmware is still a bit buggy). I guess my point is that anyone looking to buy a link shouldn't just buy Trango because of the perceived cost savings... real or imaginary. Do the research and determine for yourself. I'm also slightly biased because we are a Dragonwave Reseller...
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If you look closely at the Larsonusa.com picture you will see the third 15' antenna laying down face up on the penthouse before the roof tower was built. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Sure, here ya go... This is from early 2005. The installation was for an Alcatel 6GHz OC3 setup with three 15' antennas for spatial diversity. Larson Associates facilitated the link for a company called Aspen Communications. Here is a link showing the roof shelter being lowered into place before the third 15' antenna was installed. http://www.larsonusa.com/services/site/BTRshltrlift.htm Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 6:43 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Do you have any photos that would show this type of mount. Could you share a few with us? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 4:24 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Have to disagree. The thing I hate about antennas (and equipment) that are NOT like RadioWaves is they don't fit on the larger pipes. Something tells me RadioWaves makes their brackets they way they do for a reason. Use the right diameter pipe and preferably schedule 40 or even better yet schedule 80 thickness and you'll never need to revisit an installation due to movement. Stabilizer bars are recommended on 4' antennas and included with 6' and larger antennas. Use them whenever recommended...you'll be much more happy long term. Large pipes are not only useful for large antennas, but also beneficial for small antennas in the millimeter bands. The mounts we used for the last BridgeWave AR80X-AES link we installed were 4 diameter and weighed a hundred or more pounds each. The X in AR80X means 2' antennas...by no means large antennas, but 80GHz can be sensitive to movement. We made sure there is no movement due to our mounts. grin Yes, you can even mount a 15' antenna to a tower with 2 legs, but the antenna will still be attached to a 4 or larger pipe as it should. The larger pipe is then attached at several points to the 2 tower legs with cross members and tiebacks. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex The only thing I do NOT like about the Radiowave dishes are The mounts are designed for 4 pole. We usually mount to 3 pole, based on weight, availabilty, and ease to work with. It can be mounted securely to 2-3/8 pole, if lots of washers are used. Mounting to 2 pole, doesn't really work. In an ideal world, it can be argued that for 3ft dishes, that 3 pole is the minimal size viable to keep it stable enough and prevent pivot windload. But if the only option is to mount to a 2 dia member, its the facts. Often to use these mounts on 2 pole, installers will use an intermediate, pole to pole mount, and mount a 4 pole to the 2 tower member pole. But its a pain in the neck to do that and much heavier to hoist, and the antenna is still vulnerable to the weakest link, the 2 tower member. Or they Shim the Ubolts with a third pipe The problem is that many Towers have only 2 dia members at the 200ft heights. Unlike a freestanding mast fastened on one side only, a 2 dia tower member is usually strong enough for the large antenna. What I'd like to see is an adapter made, that will adapt the 4 design mount to support 2 pole. This would be accomplished by a metal bracket that the 4 Ubolts would be inserted through, prior to sliding through the mount holes. I'd have much more confidence in that, than 2 inches deep of washers. Note: this is not a disadvantage of Trango, I see this problem with most all large antenna mounts, designed for mission critical 4 pole mount. Some other vendors have a hole/bracket on the mount, that allowed a cross member from it, so a bar could be extended off to the side, to help stablize it, where only 2 pole was available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning 3ft dishes a bit easier... Wow, just noticed this comment and felt this should be addressed. The handles should not be used for alignment as the ODU is attached to the antenna - suspended
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex
Sure, use a pipe to pipe kit. Hutton has them in a variety of sizes including a 4-5 to 2 pipe to pipe kit. You'll want to use support brackets. A quick search on www.huttononline.com came up with: Andrew MS100 pipe to pipe adapter, USE WITH 1-1/2-3-1/2 OD TO 4-9 Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 8:14 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Brad, Yes, you can even mount a 15' antenna to a tower with 2 legs, but the antenna will still be attached to a 4 or larger pipe as it should. The larger pipe is then attached at several points to the 2 tower legs with cross members and tiebacks. That is a good point. However, all the pole to pole kits for tower leg to 4ft pole, were not any more heavy duty than the Antenna mount. I couldn't see any engineering gain, with them. UNless I just added likr pole to pole mounts instead of two. Are you aware of a Good Kit, that mounts 4 pole to 2 leg, that has a more reliable mechaism for mounting to the 2 leg? I guess what I'm saying is... What is teh cheapest lightest way, to accommodate a 4 Radiowave mount to the tower, without compromising engineering? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Have to disagree. The thing I hate about antennas (and equipment) that are NOT like RadioWaves is they don't fit on the larger pipes. Something tells me RadioWaves makes their brackets they way they do for a reason. Use the right diameter pipe and preferably schedule 40 or even better yet schedule 80 thickness and you'll never need to revisit an installation due to movement. Stabilizer bars are recommended on 4' antennas and included with 6' and larger antennas. Use them whenever recommended...you'll be much more happy long term. Large pipes are not only useful for large antennas, but also beneficial for small antennas in the millimeter bands. The mounts we used for the last BridgeWave AR80X-AES link we installed were 4 diameter and weighed a hundred or more pounds each. The X in AR80X means 2' antennas...by no means large antennas, but 80GHz can be sensitive to movement. We made sure there is no movement due to our mounts. grin Yes, you can even mount a 15' antenna to a tower with 2 legs, but the antenna will still be attached to a 4 or larger pipe as it should. The larger pipe is then attached at several points to the 2 tower legs with cross members and tiebacks. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex The only thing I do NOT like about the Radiowave dishes are The mounts are designed for 4 pole. We usually mount to 3 pole, based on weight, availabilty, and ease to work with. It can be mounted securely to 2-3/8 pole, if lots of washers are used. Mounting to 2 pole, doesn't really work. In an ideal world, it can be argued that for 3ft dishes, that 3 pole is the minimal size viable to keep it stable enough and prevent pivot windload. But if the only option is to mount to a 2 dia member, its the facts. Often to use these mounts on 2 pole, installers will use an intermediate, pole to pole mount, and mount a 4 pole to the 2 tower member pole. But its a pain in the neck to do that and much heavier to hoist, and the antenna is still vulnerable to the weakest link, the 2 tower member. Or they Shim the Ubolts with a third pipe The problem is that many Towers have only 2 dia members at the 200ft heights. Unlike a freestanding mast fastened on one side only, a 2 dia tower member is usually strong enough for the large antenna. What I'd like to see is an adapter made, that will adapt the 4 design mount to support 2 pole. This would be accomplished by a metal bracket that the 4 Ubolts would be inserted through, prior to sliding through the mount holes. I'd have much more confidence in that, than 2 inches deep of washers. Note: this is not a disadvantage of Trango, I see this problem with most all large antenna mounts, designed for mission critical 4 pole mount. Some other vendors have a hole/bracket on the mount, that allowed a cross member from it, so a bar could be extended off to the side, to help stablize it, where only 2 pole was available. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
-26 RSSI is too hot. Check the manual or call Trango to make sure you haven't damaged the RX side of the radios. Targetrssi and cableloss settings are very important to GigaLINK radios. What type of cable do you have running between the IDU ODU? Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
We ran into a problem with noise being picked up by the IDU/ODU cable due to less than adequate shielding. Once we replaced the cable with LMR400 the MSE's came right up to where they were supposed to be. The Belden 9913 cable has similar loss characteristics, but how does the shielding compare to LMR400? We have also found that some Giga radios prefer higher than calculated cableloss settings. For example we have one radio's cableloss settings nearly double what is calculated for the cable run. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE Brad and Travis, Thanks for your help I turned down both ends to 0 power. I have -41 on the local end and -46 on the remote. MSE went to -31 on the local, -20 on the remote. Changing power on the local unit from 0 to 15 don't affect the remote MSE at all, it stays in the 15-20 range. Checked cable loss settings, and changed if from lmr400 to belden 9913, (no big change on numbers, no chenge on MSE) ATPC is off, targerrssi is still in -26 Any other ideas??? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE I would continue to turn the power down (probably to 0) and see if that helps. We had a -35 on our link (at +20db power) and had to turn it down to +13db to get a -42 and then the MSE went from -20ish to -33ish. I would do it on the local side first, to see what happens in case the link completely drops out. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE
Right, if you have LMR400 and the cable run is 100' then you would enter: cableloss 1.5 2.3 3.9 For 200' you would enter: cableloss 3.0 4.6 7.8 Here is an online calculator where you can enter specific cable lengths: http://www.timesmicrowave.com/cgi-bin/calculate.pl The targetrssi also plays into the MSE reading. I typically start with what RSSI is expected and then take into account any variables that may attenuate the RSSI (eg. Building glass etc.). Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:44 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE I'll try the the larger calbe loss numbers AFAIK I just need to input the cable loss for a 100' run or is the actual calbe loss number needed ( cable loss per ft * cable run) Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:34 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE We ran into a problem with noise being picked up by the IDU/ODU cable due to less than adequate shielding. Once we replaced the cable with LMR400 the MSE's came right up to where they were supposed to be. The Belden 9913 cable has similar loss characteristics, but how does the shielding compare to LMR400? We have also found that some Giga radios prefer higher than calculated cableloss settings. For example we have one radio's cableloss settings nearly double what is calculated for the cable run. Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE Brad and Travis, Thanks for your help I turned down both ends to 0 power. I have -41 on the local end and -46 on the remote. MSE went to -31 on the local, -20 on the remote. Changing power on the local unit from 0 to 15 don't affect the remote MSE at all, it stays in the 15-20 range. Checked cable loss settings, and changed if from lmr400 to belden 9913, (no big change on numbers, no chenge on MSE) ATPC is off, targerrssi is still in -26 Any other ideas??? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Giga Link - Lowering MSE I would continue to turn the power down (probably to 0) and see if that helps. We had a -35 on our link (at +20db power) and had to turn it down to +13db to get a -42 and then the MSE went from -20ish to -33ish. I would do it on the local side first, to see what happens in case the link completely drops out. Travis Microserv Gino Villarini wrote: Hey Guys I got a .7 mile 23 ghz Trango Giga Link that Im provisioning Antennas are peaked at -26, using 50 mhz channles 256 qam. Tx power is at 15 db MSE in one end is arround -11, the other end is around -22 How can I improve the MSE? Lowering Tx power just worsens it Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] outdoor fiber
Anixter has always done a good job for us. http://www.anixter.com Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] outdoor fiber Hi, Anyone have a source for outdoor, UV rated, pre-made fiber cables? I need a 20 meter cable for an outdoor run. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (was Cisco VLAN help)
I didn't want to hijack Travis's Cisco thread, but wanted to throw in my .02 regarding MikroTik as a core router. We began running MikroTik as a core router sometime back in 2004 when our Cisco VXR DS3 router started to struggle. We purchased a couple LMC DS3 NICs from Eje at Wisp-Router and haven't looked back since. It was better than three years ago when we bench tested more than 800Mbps between MikroTik routers using older Intel Pro fiber NICs and standard 32bit PCI slots. Over the years we have deployed numerous MikroTik routers with 24 or more 10/100 Interfaces, and several MikroTik routers with multiple Intel GigE Copper and Fiber Interfaces. Today our MikroTik routers have evolved to include motherboards with multiple PCIe x8 x16 lane expansion slots, Quad core CPUs, 2Gig RAM, redundant hot-swap power supplies and multiple six port SFP NICs. This latest generation of MikroTik router we are deploying are extremely fast, flexible, cost effective and most importantly reliable. The SFP NICs allow us to easily swap Interfaces from Copper GigE to SX fiber, LX fiber, ZX Fiber...all hot-swap without requiring the router to be powered down or rebooted. The power supplies are diverse and redundant. We can lose either power feed or power module or any combination of the two and still keep the router powered up. We are currently peering with three GigE upstream providers with a fourth GigE provider being turned up this week for unprecedented capacity and diversity for an ISP our size. We are already exploring and evaluating 10GigE Interfaces as our requirements continue to increase. We have no reason to believe the MikroTik platform will not continue to deliver the exceptional performance we have become accustomed to. Every client gets a MikroTik CPE router that we own and manage regardless of the medium used (microwave, copper, fiber etc.) to deliver their data circuit. A MikroTik as a client CPE router gives us terrific flexibility and diagnostic abilities. MikroTik allows us to provide the detailed information required to identify and resolve problems at the client side quickly and efficiently. We have made countless IT Guys heroes in the eyes of their employers more times than I care to remember. grin I firmly believe we would not be where we are today, offering the level of service we are able to provide without MikroTik at the core of our network. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help We are using HP Carrier Servers on our Core, Dual Xenon 2.8 Ghz, Dual PS, 2 GB Intel Nics with 3 PCIX 3 Port GB Cards for a total of 14 ports per Router Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help I answer with a question. What makes you think they couldn't do 100 megs? I believe the original PowerRouter series does 5.9 gigabits and the latest series does 8 gigabits. I don't know how strong Mikrotik's VPLS offering is, but from what I've heard, VPLS is the way to go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:13 P To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help How can you possibly get 100 megs with Mikrotik? On 12/9/08, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the THEY ARE PAYING FOR IT! :) Nothing wrong with that. You should be able to do that with some high end MTs and EoIP Tunnels though :) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270 http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, Normally that is what we do... using Cisco ASA firewalls and setting up VPN tunnels for the customers... however, this particular customer needs the full 100Mbps between the ports and transparent transport... and they are paying for it... :) Travis Microserv Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs wrote: Just a FYI, I would just create a tunnel between the two sites. No configuration on your backend network, bandwidth restrictions are the same as internet traffic typically, etc. Simpler, and no loop issues. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* 314-735-0270
Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (was Cisco VLAN help)
Most all of our x86 MikroTik routers are running v2.9.46, but we do have a few running v3.16. Yes, we did see the fast clock issue on versions 3.15, but it has not caused any of our routers to crash. They just had a fast clock. Version 3.16 is supposed to resolve that problem, but we have still seen the fast clock happen even with v3.16. We typically don't upgrade MikroTik versions unless there is a feature we are looking for that current running version doesn't have or the version has a specific bug that affects what we are trying to accomplish. We still have x86 routers running v2.8 in some locations simply because we haven't needed to upgrade for any reason. No reason to fix something that isn't broken. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 11:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (was Cisco VLAN help) One question I really would love to hear the answer to.. What version of 3.x are you using (if any) on those multi core/processor Mikrotiks? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 11:40 PM, Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't want to hijack Travis's Cisco thread, but wanted to throw in my .02 regarding MikroTik as a core router. We began running MikroTik as a core router sometime back in 2004 when our Cisco VXR DS3 router started to struggle. We purchased a couple LMC DS3 NICs from Eje at Wisp-Router and haven't looked back since. It was better than three years ago when we bench tested more than 800Mbps between MikroTik routers using older Intel Pro fiber NICs and standard 32bit PCI slots. Over the years we have deployed numerous MikroTik routers with 24 or more 10/100 Interfaces, and several MikroTik routers with multiple Intel GigE Copper and Fiber Interfaces. Today our MikroTik routers have evolved to include motherboards with multiple PCIe x8 x16 lane expansion slots, Quad core CPUs, 2Gig RAM, redundant hot-swap power supplies and multiple six port SFP NICs. This latest generation of MikroTik router we are deploying are extremely fast, flexible, cost effective and most importantly reliable. The SFP NICs allow us to easily swap Interfaces from Copper GigE to SX fiber, LX fiber, ZX Fiber...all hot-swap without requiring the router to be powered down or rebooted. The power supplies are diverse and redundant. We can lose either power feed or power module or any combination of the two and still keep the router powered up. We are currently peering with three GigE upstream providers with a fourth GigE provider being turned up this week for unprecedented capacity and diversity for an ISP our size. We are already exploring and evaluating 10GigE Interfaces as our requirements continue to increase. We have no reason to believe the MikroTik platform will not continue to deliver the exceptional performance we have become accustomed to. Every client gets a MikroTik CPE router that we own and manage regardless of the medium used (microwave, copper, fiber etc.) to deliver their data circuit. A MikroTik as a client CPE router gives us terrific flexibility and diagnostic abilities. MikroTik allows us to provide the detailed information required to identify and resolve problems at the client side quickly and efficiently. We have made countless IT Guys heroes in the eyes of their employers more times than I care to remember. grin I firmly believe we would not be where we are today, offering the level of service we are able to provide without MikroTik at the core of our network. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help We are using HP Carrier Servers on our Core, Dual Xenon 2.8 Ghz, Dual PS, 2 GB Intel Nics with 3 PCIX 3 Port GB Cards for a total of 14 ports per Router Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 10:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Cisco VLAN help I answer with a question. What makes you think they couldn't do 100 megs? I believe the original PowerRouter series does 5.9 gigabits and the latest series does 8 gigabits. I don't know how strong Mikrotik's VPLS offering is, but from what I've heard, VPLS is the way to go. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From
Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (wasCisco VLAN help)
Correct. The v3.x x86 routers we have running do show multiple CPUs. For example we have a handful of 1U servers with dual Xeon 3GHz CPUs deployed as CPE routers for a few new larger accounts and they show four processors. We are running BGP with these accounts and the additional CPU support does make a notable difference. For example with a single CPU processor count the Winbox GUI will show 100% CPU utilization while pulling the approximately 270k routes. With a two CPU count the utilization while pulling down full tables is 50% and with a four CPU count the utilization is 25%. This chart shows the dual Xeon 3GHz CPU at 1113. Our most recent x86 MikroTik routers are using the Q9550 CPU at 4076 and the X3360 CPU that rates at 4251. http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 2:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MikroTik Multi-GigE and greater throughput... (wasCisco VLAN help) On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 03:18 -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote: Actually that is a good point. I do not believe MT has Multi-processor support, unless it was added recently. Depends on what you call recent...from the changelog: What's new in v3.0beta1: *) added initial support for SMP on x86; -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?
Yes, but we've never used it before. YMMV... Type ibm to determine In Band Management status. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt? is there a way to set the management inband? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt?
With current firmware the smart mode option is available on the GigaLINK as well. Smart mode has to be set the same on both sides of the link and may even require a reboot. Recently we had a need for the four GigaLINK GigE ports to act as a switch. We started to implement the option on a live production link, but ended up going a different direction rather than risk an unforeseen Trango result. grin Merry Christmas Eve! Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt? On the APEX line, you can turn off smart mode and then the GigE copper and Fiber ports will all talk to each other across the link (meaning you can run copper on 1 side and fiber on the other). Travis Microserv 3-dB Networks wrote: Correct... This is supposed to be a selling feature having it setup this way... Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:56 AM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt? AFAIK they are independent .. Port 1 talks only to Port 1 on the other end ... Same with others Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt? On the Giga, do the G1-G4 ports act like a switch? Because, we can only ping the device attached to GE1 but when we plug in other devices on the other ports in the same subnet, we can't reach them. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Brad Belton mailto:b...@belwave.com b...@belwave.com wrote: Yes, but we've never used it before. YMMV... Type ibm to determine In Band Management status. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 12:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango GIGA Unband mngmt? is there a way to set the management inband? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Aperto Networks
Patrick who? Never heard of him... grin Welcome Patrick! Look forward to hearing about all the great products Aperto will be offering in 2009. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:12 AM To: WISPA General List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] New WISPA Vendor Member - Aperto Networks I would like to welcome an old friend here to WISPA membership. Many of you have known Patrick Leary for years as a friend of the WISP industry. Patrick has recently joined forces with Aperto Networks. Today Aperto Networks is a Vendor Member of WISPA and Patrick Leary as their representative within our membership. Please join me in welcoming Patrick Leary and Aperto Networks as WISPA's newest Vendor Member. Here is a little information about Aperto Networks straight from Patrick Leary: Aperto is very proud to join WISPA, the premier voice and advocacy organization for WISPs. In celebration, we will later today offer a special WISPA-members only WiMAX promotion that will make it easy for any WISP to give a top WiMAX solution a try. Aperto Networks is the only home grown and U.S.- based WiMAX equipment provider. As an 802.16 pioneer, Aperto was founded in 1999 solely to make and offer outdoor wireless broadband solutions using 802.16. It provided signficant key technology that created the 802.16 standard and is a charter member of the WiMAX Forum. Aperto's entire product line is WiMAX-based and it provides solutions in all 5 GHz bands, the 4.9 GHz public safety band, 3.65 GHz, the 2.5 GHz BRS/EBS bands and a range of international bands centered around 3.5 GHz. With over 25 link-optimizing patents or patents-pending that comprise Aperto's secret-sauce, Aperto offers the highest QoS than any WiMAX system, as well as packet per second more than twice other solutions. These and Aperto's cost-effective products, make the systems ideal for voice and data double play WISP business models. The Aperto of today is easy to do business with. Our WISP effort has the support and commitment of the entire Aperto executive team and we've re-structured to serve North America. We hope you'll give us a fair hearing as you move forward in your businesses. You can reach us at sa...@apertonet.com or visit us at www.apertonet.com. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Postage
We recently had to replace our Pitney Bowes postage machine after 10-15yrs of service from it. It was a good old machine.klunkdy-klunk as letters were pushed through it. It still worked fine, but became obsolete and longer supported etc, etc. The new Pitney Bowes machine is pretty slick and we also now have a envelope folder/stuffer that allows us to insert fliers along with our invoices/statements. We only serve businesses and most of our clients prefer a mailed statement. Some even require it. Best, Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 11:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Postage As do we. And when they say they need a paper invoice I reply Click Print. Brian Josh Luthman wrote: Emailing the invoice for the most part. Makes things a lot easier for everyone and it is free. On 1/5/09, Travis Johnson mailto:t...@ida.net t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I'm curious what everyone else is using for sending USPS letters and packages? We've had a nice postage machine (seals, stamps, etc.) that does our envelopes each month (about 1,500 per month). However, I'm getting tired of these companies (Neopost) charging $200 for a software update because the post office changes their pricing. What is anyone else doing? We send about 1,500 envelopes on the 20th of each month, and then only a couple a day the other days. thanks, Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right
their tower for a few thousand. These things just aren;t that common here in DC. We live in a world of $17,000 Special exception permit applications. We live in the world of maximum broadband provider competitions, where roof managers try to give roof rights go to the highest bidder, and never really want to give it, because of the possibilty for a future hiugher bidder. And everyone wants Comast and Fios in the building, because the Public is most aware of these companies. Often these companies will refuse to come, if a third party ISP has been given rights to the building with signfiicant market share, abd Property owners are hesitent to select a small provider in fear they will retrict what the consumer may want more. But there are hundreds of scenarios, and they give the property owner the upper hand in negotiation. It takes a lot of creativity to get around the barriers.. Seventh, In the early year 1 out of 9 closed sales were prevented due to property management easement issues. Today, 9 out of 10 close sales, actually get installed, because we've learned how to better work with property owners, and target the locatiosn where we are successful. But its still a problem. And until a Wireless provider will have the same rights for rooftops, that an ILEC utility has for the ground, we will never be able to compete on equal ground, at the price points that The FEds and Public are asking and dreaming for. This is a big problem for us in public policy. ILECs can get 100% coverage, third party ISPs and WISPs dont have the legal rights to gain access to the resources to reach 100% of consumer. And the county and states dont have the power to give access to it either because they dont own most of the land that right-of-ways or Easements are needed. But its why I have a big problem with Grant programs that force applicants to be evaluated on both abilty to serve largest population and deliver at lowest costs. I dont want to give access to prime tower assets at a discount, no more than the property owners I pay wont discount it. I need to be selective on how these valuable resources are used.. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right If I had a $1 for every propoerty owner that would not allow me to deploy broadband to an inquiring prospect, I'd be a millionaire. Wow Tom, if even remotely true this should be a glaring indicator of something very wrong with your approach. I understand that a pinch of story additive may help make your point when frustrated, but dilute your claim down from 1,000,000 to 10,000, 1,000 or even 100 and I still don't think we've been turned away 100 times in the ten years we've been deploying fixed wireless. Maybe comments you've made like I'll legally force you to allow me, or buy me an alternative are rubbing the property owner's the wrong way? I dunnojust a stab in the dark... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right Actually, from that perspective LEGAL right could be a good thing, and better if expanded I want to put an antenna on the roof, and its the only way to get broadband there, and the property manager says no. I now say YOU need to let me because its my legal right to have it. I'll legally force you to allow me, or buy me an alternative. What it really needs to read is Americans have the LEGAL RIGHT to Broadband of CHOICE. Now that would be a good thing for competition.. Or Americans have Legal Right to BRoadband of Choice, without excessive fees charged by third parties at a rate higher than they'd charge other broadband providers for delivering broadband. Could you imaging if Wireless PRoviders could pull Roof easements with the same power as ILECs pull ground easements? If I had a $1 for every propoerty owner that would not allow me to deploy broadband to an inquiring prospect, I'd be a millionaire. Or atleast my sales reps wouldn't always get discouraged and quit. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Broadband Internet Access Deemed a Legal Right Yeah. A legal right. In that case, I ground my son from that damn Maple Story he plays hours on end and he calls children's services because I violated his legal rights... What other things do I have the legal right to that I
Re: [WISPA] WISP BUY OUT
Something about this comment doesn't lead me to believe there was much of any cash exchanged...could be wrong. Michael Dinkins, President of SUI commented, The timing is perfect for us to turn over our fixed wireless assets to Omnicity and we have full confidence in their ability to deliver on their business model. We believe in their plan so much that we have chosen to move our assets into an equity investment in Omnicity. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP BUY OUT um CASH On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm sure the lump sum of cash helped the We wanted out of this business along. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP BUY OUT URL broke on my GUI. http://tinyurl.com/ykr9lse When I read The timing is perfect for us to turn over our fixed wireless assets to Omnicity... I saw We wanted a) out of this business or b) a lump sum of cash Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: Full article at: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS202228+19-Oct-2009+GNW200910 19 RUSHVILLE, Ind., Oct. 19, 2009 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Omnicity Corp (OTCBB:OMCY) -- the Midwest's largest fixed Wireless Internet Service Provider (WISP), continues forward with its plan to become the premier consolidator in the WISP industry by signing a Letter of Intent with the wireless division of Solutions Unlimited, Inc. (SUI) of New Castle, Indiana. Doing business as Midwest WISP, SUI represents the next of several acquisitions Omnicity plans to announce during Q4 of 2009. Greg Jarman, CEO of Omnicity, stated, We are pleased to have worked out a great deal for both Midwest WISP and Omnicity and look forward to bringing their subscribers and infrastructure into the fold. This acquisition adds another important set of assets and an ongoing local marketing presence to our eastern border. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP BUY OUT
Omnicity stock of course. Looks like a sound investment...tongue-in-cheek http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=OMCY.OB Deals like these typically occur due to the seller wanting out...sometimes at any cost. Just an observation, but it appears Midwest was tired of the WISP portion of the business and wanted to focus on their computer/network service storefront. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP BUY OUT He said he turned over the company assets. What else could be exchanged in return for all of his assets? This looks like Poli-talk: We believe in their plan so much that we have chosen to move our assets into an equity investment in Omnicity. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Something about this comment doesn't lead me to believe there was much of any cash exchanged...could be wrong. Michael Dinkins, President of SUI commented, The timing is perfect for us to turn over our fixed wireless assets to Omnicity and we have full confidence in their ability to deliver on their business model. We believe in their plan so much that we have chosen to move our assets into an equity investment in Omnicity. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 10:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP BUY OUT um CASH On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I'm sure the lump sum of cash helped the We wanted out of this business along. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 11:31 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISP BUY OUT URL broke on my GUI. http://tinyurl.com/ykr9lse When I read The timing is perfect for us to turn over our fixed wireless assets to Omnicity... I saw We wanted a) out of this business or b) a lump sum of cash Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:27 AM, Chuck Profito cprof...@cv-access.comwrote: Full article at: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS202228+19-Oct-2009+GNW200910 19 RUSHVILLE, Ind., Oct. 19, 2009 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- Omnicity Corp (OTCBB:OMCY) -- the Midwest's largest fixed Wireless Internet Service Provider (WISP), continues forward with its plan to become the premier consolidator in the WISP industry by signing a Letter of Intent with the wireless division of Solutions Unlimited, Inc. (SUI) of New Castle, Indiana. Doing business as Midwest WISP, SUI represents the next of several acquisitions Omnicity plans to announce during Q4 of 2009. Greg Jarman, CEO of Omnicity, stated, We are pleased to have worked out a great deal for both Midwest WISP and Omnicity and look forward to bringing their subscribers and infrastructure into the fold. This acquisition adds another important set of assets and an ongoing local marketing presence to our eastern border. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http
Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or are you speaking of the diameter of the feed? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes? Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out of business. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just calling the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands. Cameron Mark McElvy wrote: I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to determine frequency and polarity. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
Ok, just checking. Good cover...grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency The feedhorn specifically. Maybe the length will help you too. I know with higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or are you speaking of the diameter of the feed? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes? Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out of business. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just calling the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands. Cameron Mark McElvy wrote: I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to determine frequency and polarity. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency
BTW Mark, if you determine they are PacWireless antennas I'd just punt them on EBay and replace them with RadioWaves or Gabriel 2' antennas. In the long run you'll be a lot happier. Just my opinion... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Ok, just checking. Good cover...grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency The feedhorn specifically. Maybe the length will help you too. I know with higher gain the 5GHz grids are noticeably longer. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Hmmm, pretty sure a 2' dish is a 2' dish regardless of frequency...or are you speaking of the diameter of the feed? Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Can you measure diameter and compare it with the 2.4 and 5.8 GHz dishes? Never thought about it but they would have to be different sizes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Mark McElvy mmce...@accubak.com wrote: I happen to know they are either 5.8 or 2.4 as this was the only equipment I have found of theirs, they left it all when they went out of business. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ccrum Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Identifying 2ft dish frequency Got a spectrum analyzer and a frequency generator? Or a good network analyzer will do, but most people don't have one laying around. The feeds could literally be anything. You might be better off just calling the MFG of the dish and buying new feeds in the range you want unless you you have a few hours of extra time on your hands. Cameron Mark McElvy wrote: I have 4 two ft dishes that where pulled down when the previous wisp went out of business. There are no markings on them and I need to determine frequency and polarity. Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams
Cogent can be ok, but they are not equal to AboveNET, XO, ATT, Level3 etc... We have multiple upstream GigE feeds and Cogent is one of them. It took us months to get Cogent to resolve a flapping switch or router within their network. After a couple dozen screenshots and trace routes from various looking glass sites they finally conceded. Granted the outages were only between 5 and 60 seconds long when they occurred and rarely were long enough to break BGP sessions, but they were hell on VoIP! It took us less than a day to find the specific Cogent IP or device where the problem was occurring, but months before Cogent acted on the information we provided them. Cogent Support honestly wasn't that bad, but said their hands were tied until management further up the chain completed their investigation. During that time we had to route voice traffic around Cogent as best we could. Cogent is great as a cheap third or fourth GigE upstream, but never a sole or primary Internet feed, IMO. While Cogent goes about their BGP peering a little different than most, I do agree their BGP Support is equal to anyone else's we've worked with. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams I always hear about Cogent having a bad rap, but where does that come from? I can't say that one bit! They've worked great for us and during the initial install clearly went above and beyond the call of duty when we encountered a problem even waking a VP up at 1AM on a Sunday morning because we need to have the circuit up and running by first thing Monday! When I have add to call their tech support up about questions that actually understand what BGP is and how it works! Bret On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 11:58 -0500, Jon Auer wrote: Cogent has a bad rap but they have been solid for us for the past year. Prior to that they had a few hickups. Their peering is pretty good. Low latency to all major content sites. Level3 seems to have more outages than a provider of their reputation should. Savvis is has poor peering from what I hear. I'd like to add Abovenet or Global crossing to my mix. On 10/21/09, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a GigE circuit to the mix, and I've got a choice of: Abovenet Cogent Global Crossing Level3 Savvis I'm looking for recommendations of who the better upstream is. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams
than anyone else. It should also be noted that it could make a big difference which local colo you pick the circuit up in also. So when you are evaluating a provider you are also evaluating the venue where the circuit is in. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Cogent can be ok, but they are not equal to AboveNET, XO, ATT, Level3 etc... We have multiple upstream GigE feeds and Cogent is one of them. It took us months to get Cogent to resolve a flapping switch or router within their network. After a couple dozen screenshots and trace routes from various looking glass sites they finally conceded. Granted the outages were only between 5 and 60 seconds long when they occurred and rarely were long enough to break BGP sessions, but they were hell on VoIP! It took us less than a day to find the specific Cogent IP or device where the problem was occurring, but months before Cogent acted on the information we provided them. Cogent Support honestly wasn't that bad, but said their hands were tied until management further up the chain completed their investigation. During that time we had to route voice traffic around Cogent as best we could. Cogent is great as a cheap third or fourth GigE upstream, but never a sole or primary Internet feed, IMO. While Cogent goes about their BGP peering a little different than most, I do agree their BGP Support is equal to anyone else's we've worked with. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 1:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams I always hear about Cogent having a bad rap, but where does that come from? I can't say that one bit! They've worked great for us and during the initial install clearly went above and beyond the call of duty when we encountered a problem even waking a VP up at 1AM on a Sunday morning because we need to have the circuit up and running by first thing Monday! When I have add to call their tech support up about questions that actually understand what BGP is and how it works! Bret On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 11:58 -0500, Jon Auer wrote: Cogent has a bad rap but they have been solid for us for the past year. Prior to that they had a few hickups. Their peering is pretty good. Low latency to all major content sites. Level3 seems to have more outages than a provider of their reputation should. Savvis is has poor peering from what I hear. I'd like to add Abovenet or Global crossing to my mix. On 10/21/09, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a GigE circuit to the mix, and I've got a choice of: Abovenet Cogent Global Crossing Level3 Savvis I'm looking for recommendations of who the better upstream is. Marco -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams
Hello Bret, You missed the point about the biggest proponents of Cogent are those that only have Cogentsilence... Spectraaccess ASN: 36645 http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS36645 http://bgplay.routeviews.org/bgplay/208.65.172.0/22 208.82.132.0/22 Tom appears to be in the same boat: Rapiddsl ASN: 12214 http://www.cidr-report.org/cgi-bin/as-report?as=AS12214 http://bgplay.routeviews.org/bgplay/69.46.240.0/20 I'm not a Cogent basher as we have a Cogent GigE feed too and at times have depended on it, but I among many, many others do not consider Cogent as an equal to a variety of other providers. I'm not making this up it's just a well known fact. Cogent gets de-peered with others on a far more frequent basis than any other major provider. Just Google cogent depeered vs. abovenet depeered or level3 depeered. There is no comparison. So, what are you going to do when your customers are calling asking why they can't get to a particular site? All because you're caught up in some pissing match between carriers. I know our clients don't care what the reason is, they are more interested in what we're going to do to fix it. If Cogent is all you got then you're SOL! Again, the bottom line is any carrier can break. If you can only have one then find one that breaks the least...that may very well be Cogent in your particular area, but not in most cases. If you can have more than one, Cogent is a good low cost second or third to have as a complement to your network. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Brad Belton wrote: While I agree no solution can be considered equal in any given location, there are trends or a general barometer to help place one carrier over another. Such as? This is exactly my point (being made by Tom, a Cogent customer!) why Cogent should not be depended on as a sole or primary Internet feed. If Cogent's all you got then you're SOL! Baloney, we've used them as one of our primary's for well over a year without hiccup. Our so other better providers have given us more frustration. Bottom line is any carrier can break. If you can only have one then find one that breaks the least. If you can have more than one, Cogent is a good low cost second or third to have in a pinch for relatively little cost. Where are you getting your data from? Curious as to why you feel they are a second or third alternative? Bret -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams While I agree no solution can be considered equal in any given location, there are trends or a general barometer to help place one carrier over another. This is the reality that typically puts Cogent towards the back of the bus in most people's minds. The biggest proponents of Cogent are those that are largely dependent on Cogent due to any number of reasons. Budget constraints, lack of alternate higher quality peer availability etc, etc. Cogent makes no excuse promoting themselves as the low end, budget driven bottom dollar provider. They are good for what they offer, but again not what a network administrator looking for high availability is going to pick as a first choice. You might even get away with saying Cogent has a few more short duration (less than 15 minutes?) outages than other carriers. This is exactly my point (being made by Tom, a Cogent customer!) why Cogent should not be depended on as a sole or primary Internet feed. If Cogent's all you got then you're SOL! Bottom line is any carrier can break. If you can only have one then find one that breaks the least. If you can have more than one, Cogent is a good low cost second or third to have in a pinch for relatively little cost. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams It should be noted that an Upstreams performance can be directly proportional to the location where they have more peering. In the DC and NY markets, Cogent has excellent performance and peering, and has shown to outperform EVERY provider we have tried, period. (And yes, some of the carriers we tried were Level3, XO, and Abovenet.) I recognize that Cogent's performance may not be as good for ALL markets where they potentially could have a weaker presence. But saying Cogent is only worthy of the 3rd or 4th transit connection is simply untrue. Cogent's weak point now is internal processes and communication. They've lost touch with the value
Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams
AboveNET will layout the exact path your fiber feed will be for you. Just make sure you're secondary path is completely diverse from whatever you choose as your primary. My suggestion would be to go with AboveNET or Level3 as your primary and use Cogent as your secondary. We haven't had any billing issues with any of our upstream providers that wasn't easily straightened out. Maybe we've just been lucky or maybe we just review our agreements more closely and haven't allowed for any chance of discrepancies. As they say...YMMV! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] choice of upstreams Our situation is thus: We are leasing a 45 Mile1 Gig fiber link from Greenville TX to 2323 Bryan ST. in Dallas (carrier hotel). My primary need is quality bandwidth. This will become my preferred route to the world. Secondary requirement is a company I won't have to spend 1 year working to get the billing correct. I am installing a 1 Gig (800M/800M) licensed PTP link from my NOC to another lit building in Richardson TX for path diversity. The choice of carriers here will be more limited. With Abovenet being one of the primary choices. I do not want this connection to go to the same carrier as the other connection. It's really kind of funny I was just a few years ago (12) when bonded 6 T's together and thought I had all the bandwidth in the world! Now I'll have and additional 2G at my NOC for less than I was paying for the 6 Ts. Marco WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT Question....
I still gotta side with Marlon on this one...cleaning ladies WILL cause CRC errors. This is networking 101 Bob, I'm disappointed in you...sigh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 11:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question Its on a commercial rooftop on both sides. Ladies from the cleaning union don't go up there. The cabinets are locked. The rooftops are alarmed and on CCTV on both sides. And it was a crappy day so nobody was out there sunning themselves. And it hasn't happened since. :-) I figured it out with further prodding of the network people. Seems the port is throwing a crapload of CRC errors but only intermittently. Sooo we will go back and look at the fiber, swap out patch cables, swap out the GBIC and last but not least swap out the radio. Thanks for everyones input. -B- Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Perhaps this is a case of vandalism? Especially since it only happened during the time when people would be in the building. Or maybe the cleaning lady bumped something? marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question No Marlon K. Schafer wrote: That almost sounds like someone *physically* unplugging the devices. Did any of you show up during the outage? (I assume yes but have to ask) marlon - Original Message - From: Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT Question To All, OK Its a fiber interface. The system has been working fine. Configuration is this: 2960 --- fiber --- Gig Radio 60ghz Gig Radio ---fiber 2960 The interface went down twice in the same day. The radio never went down. the fiber tests fine and no one has screwed with it. They are short runs. This is a new deployment that has been up for about 6 weeks. Fiber is all multimode 62.5 mm. It has not been intermittent. It just went down hard twice one day and has been fine since. And when it went down it went down at 8:15 am and came back up at 2pm then went back down at 2pm and came back up at 4:30 and has been fine since. Both sites are rooftop locations and it was raining the day the event happened so no one was working in the vacinity of the equipment. And it has rained on and off here for the past 3 weeks with no issues otherwise so I am ruling out weather. The radio link never goes down. Ever. So its not rain taking out the 60 Ghz. hop. OK Teaching moment... :-) For those of you that are not aware most Gigabit radios when they loose their RF link shut down their gig ports on both sides to indicate a hard failure. This obviously expedites things like OSPF and such for rerouting. Just really weird -B- Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Hi Bob, This shows the port simply going up and down. And noting more. Is this a Fiber Port ? Or Copper ? If copper, then the wire needs to be tested, (no loose connector, right kind of cable, cat6, and the cable not exceeding 300ft,etc.) If it is fiber then, check the fiber, clean the fiber, check the SFP/GBIC, clear them, reseat them, confirm that you are using right cable (single mode or MultiMode) and the SFP/GBIC's Match, and depending on the length of cable, make sure your light levels are good, there is no kink in cable etc) Don't mix MultiMode cables with Single Mode Cables Connectors.. TIP, fiber cables / SFP/GBIC, you can test each side by doing a LoopBack on the Far end... To do a loopback in fiber world, you just have to find a way to connect the two ends of the fiber cable together. Additionally, you may want to setup the devices on both side to be Fixed 1000FDX rather than Auto negotiate. Regards Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 10:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT Question Sorry guys. I know its a little OT but I am the RF guy, not the network guy. But its kind of on topic because its connected to a wireless link. :-) What does this tell everybody??? Its from a Cisco 2960 switch. Oct 27 08:12:18.407 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 08:12:19.455 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to down Oct 27 13:52:16.606 EST: %LINK-3-UPDOWN: Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27 13:52:18.661 EST: %LINEPROTO-5-UPDOWN: Line protocol on Interface GigabitEthernet0/21, changed state to up Oct 27
Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors
While we've never used this particular RadioWaves antenna I do know you get what you pay for. I would imagine street price for this antenna would be between $900 - $1000. Considering what some towers charge per antenna the ROI for this antenna could be pretty quick! Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors But it is exactly what I am looking for... SEC-2V-5H-90 Bummer... -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors Nice antenna, but it is $1300 list. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Goicoechea Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors We have tested different types and found with the dual pol Sectors that Radiowaves makes an excellent antenna. They offer 2.4v and 5.8h or 2.4h and 5.8v. They offer 60 or 90 degree. We have used 3 90s for 360 coverage on a tower with great results. If you need further information feel free to hit me off list. Mike Goicoechea m...@cielosystems.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 11:56 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors Below PacWireless? That's hitting below the belt. Any other suggestions for quality dual band sectors? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: We used some a few years ago for a vWISP on his original tower install. Over time, he moved to dedicated backhauls in place of the 5.8 portion of the sectors. I can't remember how well they worked to tell the truth as I was not intimately involved in any installs off of the 5.8 portion. Sorry this isn't much help. Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:04 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors Rick, Have you used these? If so, how well do they work? -RickG On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: http://www.superpass.com/SPD-GSH4T-J6T.html#V_plane -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Eric Rogers Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 5:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Dual Band Sectors Has anyone used any 2.4/5.8 Dual Band Sectors? Does anyone know of any that are 120*? I have found some that are 90. Thanks, Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.47/2478 - Release Date: 11/03/09 07:36:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.424 / Virus Database: 270.14.48/2479 - Release Date: 11/04/09 07:37:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
Agreed! We could use 12 or 24 ports too! It would need to have a fast CPU and at least one USB port. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 10:45 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Not really, but if MT would come out with a RouterBoard that had 12, 24, 48 ports and was under $300 we'd buy a *ton* of them. I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult, actually. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: BTW, quick question, anyone out there using Router Boards as l3 Switches ? Thanks. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches This is my main complaint with the 1800-8G and the 1800-24G I've asked procurve to add these 3 features and got a standard we'll think about it answer. 1. Ability to label ports 2. Ability to label vlans 3. Ability to disable a port All very simple requests that can't take much in terms of memory/firmware size to implement. In terms of speed, stability, function other then the above, its a awesome switch. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:42 PM To: n...@brevardwireless.com n...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches
We use the Dell 2816 for small VLAN implementations and the Dell 6248 for more demanding needs. Both have worked flawlessly with MikroTik VLAN. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Joe Miller Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Has anyone tried the Netgear GS108T? It is a fully managed switch that costs about $100.00 to $130.00. I buy mine from Staples. I'v had two of them in the field for over two years with no issues. - Original Message From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: n...@brevardwireless.com; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 6:42:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches There are several classes of VLAN switches. I'll use SMC as an example... 1) They have the higher end models that are Full VLAN support that are very intuitive and fully flexible. For example, they'll allow you to label each port in web interface. They fully refer to each ports specifying their Egress and Ingress VLAn support, etc. They allow every thing to be done. But because they are intuitive, in the web interface itself, its easy to configure them without accidentally misconfiguring another clients. They make great switches that will act as both Trunk backbone switches and end location switches. 2) then they have lower end model. They let one do almost everything with VLAN. But they are way less intuitive. And they dont work as well for dual purpose, and tend to work better as a backbone or end location switch. They lack abilty to label ports.They have confusing terminology to enable or disable like VLAN Aware that may not be specific on what VLAN functionality is enabled by making it aware. It usually takes a quick read of the manual before making a config, because the logic is not straight forward. Many Web Switches are like this. SMC and Intellinet have affordable 8 port VLAN switches that are functional, but with the firmware that is equivellent to low end VLAN switches as described in #2 above. But I beleive both have text, SNMP, serial, and Web interfaces, which give them a step up over other basic web switch products. Both models sell under $200, and have atleast 2 Gigabit ports, possibly SPF ports. I just wish someone made a 8 port VLAN switch for the low dollar cost, that had the HIGH END INTUITIVE VLAN firmware, that allowed each port to be labled in software. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Nick Olsen n...@brevardwireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches Well, there is the Procurve 1800-8G that is 8 ports gigabit, Management is a little light, but it will do the simple stuff. like vlans and such. They are fanless and we have them on towers, bullet proof all day long. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Small Managed Switches I'm looking for suggestions for small (8+ ports) Managed switches. They would be installed in NEMA 4 un-cooled enclosures in the Texas heat. -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles
We really need more information in order to make any specific recommendations. Interface type required and quantity. Rain zone the link is going to be deployed in. All indoor design, split IDU/ODU or all outdoor design preference. Required/desired availability. Antenna size limitations. My recommendation would be Trango Giga or Apex. We've been deploying them since their introduction with great results. We have one of the first Giga 18GHz radio sets among others running without any problems. We have serial #0001, 0002, 0005 0007 Giga 11GHz radios among several others that have all performed as expected. Trango support has been responsive and helpful in the relatively few times we've needed their assistance. Trango is continuing to mature and develop their licensed line with the introduction of the GigaPro among other products. They are on the same track to turn the licensed world upside down (with aggressive pricing and a strong feature set) just as they did the unlicensed 5GHz market with the introduction of the Sunstream 5800 series radio several years ago. In my opinion they are worth a close look and strong consideration. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of my_em...@webjogger.net Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 100Mbps over 10 miles Looking to setup a 100Mbps or more link over 10 miles distance. Anyone have comments about what brand they think is good and reliable? It can be either licensed or unlicensed. So far I'm looking at Exalt, Trango, and Dragonwave, but do know which to choose. Thanks, -- Jon Roux Webjogger Internet Services http://www.webjogger.net 845.757.4000 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing
Agreed. Those that are just now catching up with their list reading should start with the most recent posts and read backwards if they feel inclined to do so. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of e...@wisp-router.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 4:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Would be nice if we choose what post to reply to especially when the post is. 7+ days old to begin with and been discussed in detail over that time. Especially when input is just personal opinion and not a solution to a problem. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:06:47 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Shouldn't be any extra time on billing, tracking, analyzing, the billing system that does all of the other automation in the company should do that as well. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, November 08, 2009 1:39 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Metered Billing Marlon, With thousands of wireless users, I think our unlimited eat all you want is working quite well. And I can say we have 5 or 6 competitors (DSL, wireless, cable, licensed Wimax, etc.) so there is no monopoly. You are brining in $1k extra per month... but it would be interesting to see how much extra time is being spent on that system... including the billing, phone calls, tracking, analyzing, etc. You would be better off to just upgrade those higher usage customers to a more expensive monthly plan, and stop worrying about billing for overage. You would make more profit each month by doing so. Travis Microserv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: http://www.odessaoffice.com/services.html We've done this for years. Brandon Checkalets built the software that we use. We bill on usage. Lowish base price, but relatively high overage fees. We bill out about $1k per month in overages. Our average customer does about 4 gigs per month. We have lost a few customers due to this. But they are net negative customers so I don't mind. After all, there are two main goals in business. One, turn a profit, two, make sure your competition doesn't. Loosing someone that's pulling 20+ gigs per month certainly isn't helping my competition's services at all! We just compare the billing mechanism to things people are already paying as they go. Stuff like gas, food, electricity, cell phone minutes, clothes, water, tires, um, everything else in life! If they are really sharp I'll explain how the all you can eat all of the time only works if there is a monopoly with artificially high prices for everyone else. marlon - Original Message - From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] Metered Billing We are on the verge of changing to a metered or tiered billing structure with Caps that once they exceed the cap; it doesn't shut off, but they get charged the overage. Netflix is getting out of control and I don't want to punish the customers that only use it occasionally. I think they are very innovative solutions and don't want to hinder new applications. I just want people that download 160 GB in a month, when the average is nearly 10 GB a month, to pay their share for expanding the network. Who has dabbled in the metered/tiered services and what were your customers responses? What are your tiers? Have attitudes changed toward your company as being greedy? We already have everything in place to do it, just need to send out the letter saying we are doing it and why. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] T1 radios needed
http://www.rad.com/3-2527/Wireless_Multiplexers/ Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:31 PM To: WISPA General List; Motorola Canopy User Group Subject: [WISPA] T1 radios needed Hi all, I have a situation where I need to come up with a couple of links that can do T1 connectivity for a cell phone company. We have tried Moto PTP400 radios with Flanger T1 converters, but they do not work with the cell switches.Does anyone here have a recommendation for links that have single T1 capability? The links are 14 miles and 15 miles.5ghz is preferred. Budget is about $3000 maximum per link.Data throughput is not important. Vendors, feel free to hit me offlist. All assistance is greatly appreciated! Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
We have a Ceragon 23Ghz OC3 link up that is power leveled to -50 with 10db of power at .15 mile using a 1' antenna and 2' antenna. The link has ATPC and uses it...that should give you an idea how quickly 23-24GHz will fade in some parts of the country! lol Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Stephenson Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:33 PM To: can...@believewireless.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio What are your thoughts about the impact of rain and snow on the 24 GHz signal? On 11/23/09 2:23 PM, can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net wrote: Why only 85Mbps? I figured they'd do a full 100. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Bret Clark bcl...@spectraaccess.com wrote: Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
I've never seen the Ligo 24Ghz radios...just based my OFDM comment on what Matt said in his initial post: The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. So, if the radio set isn't OFDM then why does it have OFDM statistics? Did you also pay $8k for a 85-98Mbps radio set? Still seems really high when compared to Trango Apex that can produce 100Mbps to nearly 400Mbps for not much more money. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer, It's a great unit, mount its not that bad. Ours is going half mile. 98 Mbps Fdx Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio
Ha! If only you knew just how funny that question really is...as I shuffle through my most recent stack of Trango quotes. grin Seriously, I think the Trango Apex radios start in the $8k range and go up from there. Trango has run specials on their radios offering them at times for even less than $8k. We've been a Trango customer since the BETA inception of their Sunstream radios and while we have not been afraid to criticize Trango when needed we have been pretty damn loyal! YMMV...give them a call and find out who your Trango sales rep is. I know you won't be disappointed with the product as it does perform as advertised. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of chris cooper Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:11 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio How much are the Apex units? Chris -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:56 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I've never seen the Ligo 24Ghz radios...just based my OFDM comment on what Matt said in his initial post: The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. So, if the radio set isn't OFDM then why does it have OFDM statistics? Did you also pay $8k for a 85-98Mbps radio set? Still seems really high when compared to Trango Apex that can produce 100Mbps to nearly 400Mbps for not much more money. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:42 PM To: WISPA General List; bcl...@spectraaccess.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio its not OFDM, its true microwave FDX I concur -65 at 3 miles it's a stretch for 24 ghz We have a Pair of this units we bought directly from the Manufacturer, It's a great unit, mount its not that bad. Ours is going half mile. 98 Mbps Fdx Radio is limited due to FE port only, GE is out Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:26 PM To: bcl...@spectraaccess.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio I can tell you that in our neck of the woods a -65 at 3miles using 24GHz wouldn't last long! $8K! Really? Sounds awful high for an 85Mbps OFDM radio set... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 1:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ligowave 24ghz Backhaul Radio Has it run through heavy rain yet, wonder how much rain affectst the attenuation. On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 12:01 -0700, Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Just installed a Ligowave 24ghz unlicensed backhaul radio to take the place of a 100meg fiber loop. We are going 2.97 miles with the 2' dishes. -65 signal on both sides and it has tested out at 85meg of capacity in both directions. Very happy with it so far. The software and management interface is very comprehensive and has some interesting features in it, including a constellation feature that gives an approximation of what the OFDM signals look like. This unit has the ability to use a voltmeter for the signal strength peaking, and my climber highly recommends using that instead of trying to call out signal strengths. That made it a lot easier to peak in. Climber also says that the mounting hardware looks great, but is actually pretty crappy when it is on the tower. It is not very fine-grained in its adjustment capabilities - at least that is the politically correct way to put it. The complete link was in the $8000 neighborhood. The fiber link was costing $500/month, so it won't take very long for this to pay for itself. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure
Timing of this Failure of Critical Infrastructure seems suspect to Charter's bankruptcy. All existing outstanding shares have been cancelled. I wonder if Paul Allen somehow left Qwest holding the bag like he did the rest of his shareholders...just a thought. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Charter-Communications-bw-3756327554.html?x=0; .v=1 Charter hasn't made a profit since 1999...this was inevitable. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 1:54 AM To: Telecom Regulation the Internet; WISPA General List; motorola-us...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] A Ridiculous Failure of Critical Infrastructure Some kind of combination of failure between Charter and Qwest has left tens of thousands of people in Nebraska without Internet and has disrupted the Internet and phone services for thousands more.Right now, the outage is going on 12 hours and there is no ETA for repair in sight. The word coming down is that the outage is on a Qwest fiber, but it looks to me like both parties should be on the hot seat for not having the ability to route around the problem.There was a four hour outage on Charter a week ago that was caused by a fiber cut in Gothenburg, Nebraska. That one killed everything west of the cut, but it was small potatoes compared to this one. Is this truly the level of performance that we can expect from our major Internet backbone providers? It took me about 10 seconds to re-route my traffic to a backup provider - you would think that a couple of multimillion dollar companies would be able to sort out a problem of this nature in a reasonable amount of time. The small CLEC that I use for my backup connection had enough capacity to route around the problem and was even able to lend me a little bit after 5pm when the traffic on their network (mostly businesses) dropped off. It isn't rocket science to figure out how to route around an outage. Almost as frustrating is that there was NO news about the outages anywhere except on the social networking sites (Facebook, Twitter). One TV station in Hastings, NE put up a short story on their website, but I got more news from the tweets and FB posts that people where posting from their cell phones than I did from anywhere else. None of the network outage sites have any news about this. Could this be a harbinger of things to come? I am feeling pretty thankful right now that I have a choice in backbone providers and that I kept a second one. Diversity is a good thing, and this is a great example of why we need competition and multiple options for Internet. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
A relatively nifty new monitoring service out there also has a great path profile tool built-in. The person that is developing the product is a long time wireless operator, so he has a very good feel for what our industry needs. www.wispmon.com I've been a RadioMobile user for years now, but have found myself using the path profiler in wispmon more often than RadioMobile. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link $75 using 10 meter terrain data and 30 meter resolution tree clutter. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 www.wirelessmapping.com 607-643-4055 Voice 607-435-3988 Mobile 208-692-1898 Fax On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:59 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: THANKS to EVERYONE for their input. I'll let you know what I decide. Another question: Normally I do my path analysis with Delorme but I'm not feeling that is good enough considering the cost of the project and some trees I see in the distance. Is anyone out there offering path analysis for a fair rate? -RickG On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Rick: You have been getting some good advice here. I am not a networking guru and have never played one on TV, but do know a thing or two about RF. It seems with your physical layout you may have an opportunity for some space diversity. A simple link will probably serve you with 3 nines or so. If infrequent outages will sit OK with the user, then engineer a link with single radios. If you use some of the more inexpensive radio solutions as proffered here, you could put up two links with 20' to 30' of physical separation. Or, one dish on the water tower, and two on the new tower. The single one could be the AP and the other two remote ones stations. You could use an MT router running OSPF with one having a higher cost than the other. If one failed, the other would take over. My fear of a 20 mile link would be those atmospheric events we sometimes see -- tropospheric ducting. I would be curious what you come up with. Mike At 09:22 PM 11/30/2009, you wrote: Planning my first 20 mile PTP link. Path analysis shows clear. Customer is building a 100' tower just for this therefore the equipment I choose must work. I'm free to use whatever I want. Suggestions? -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
Maybe Cameron w/Wispmon will chime in and do a better job of explaining what the service offers and how it works better than me. My point in bringing Wispmon up was in response to paying $75 for a single path profile when Wispmon provides the same (probably better) information as often as you like. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link WOW! It is expensive. Nearly 3% of the revenue from each customer (assuming approx 35.00 monthly per customer) is a nice hit. And whatever their website is done in, does me in. That initializing that keeps coming up and the small typeface is frustrating. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link A relatively nifty new monitoring service out there also has a great path profile tool built-in. The person that is developing the product is a long time wireless operator, so he has a very good feel for what our industry needs. www.wispmon.com I've been a RadioMobile user for years now, but have found myself using the path profiler in wispmon more often than RadioMobile. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link $75 using 10 meter terrain data and 30 meter resolution tree clutter. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 www.wirelessmapping.com 607-643-4055 Voice 607-435-3988 Mobile 208-692-1898 Fax On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:59 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: THANKS to EVERYONE for their input. I'll let you know what I decide. Another question: Normally I do my path analysis with Delorme but I'm not feeling that is good enough considering the cost of the project and some trees I see in the distance. Is anyone out there offering path analysis for a fair rate? -RickG On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Rick: You have been getting some good advice here. I am not a networking guru and have never played one on TV, but do know a thing or two about RF. It seems with your physical layout you may have an opportunity for some space diversity. A simple link will probably serve you with 3 nines or so. If infrequent outages will sit OK with the user, then engineer a link with single radios. If you use some of the more inexpensive radio solutions as proffered here, you could put up two links with 20' to 30' of physical separation. Or, one dish on the water tower, and two on the new tower. The single one could be the AP and the other two remote ones stations. You could use an MT router running OSPF with one having a higher cost than the other. If one failed, the other would take over. My fear of a 20 mile link would be those atmospheric events we sometimes see -- tropospheric ducting. I would be curious what you come up with. Mike At 09:22 PM 11/30/2009, you wrote: Planning my first 20 mile PTP link. Path analysis shows clear. Customer is building a 100' tower just for this therefore the equipment I choose must work. I'm free to use whatever I want. Suggestions? -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link
Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin 30 monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes for a fair amount of playground. grin Hmmm...twin 52 monitors would be nice, but I doubt there is a display larger than 30 that will support 2560 x 1600. Dang it! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link You mean you don't have a 52 widescreen monitor? Until you get the technology that you are SUPPOSED to have, stop your belly aching just because you can't read 8pt type! :) (Joke) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link WOW! It is expensive. Nearly 3% of the revenue from each customer (assuming approx 35.00 monthly per customer) is a nice hit. And whatever their website is done in, does me in. That initializing that keeps coming up and the small typeface is frustrating. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link A relatively nifty new monitoring service out there also has a great path profile tool built-in. The person that is developing the product is a long time wireless operator, so he has a very good feel for what our industry needs. www.wispmon.com I've been a RadioMobile user for years now, but have found myself using the path profiler in wispmon more often than RadioMobile. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link $75 using 10 meter terrain data and 30 meter resolution tree clutter. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 www.wirelessmapping.com 607-643-4055 Voice 607-435-3988 Mobile 208-692-1898 Fax On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:59 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: THANKS to EVERYONE for their input. I'll let you know what I decide. Another question: Normally I do my path analysis with Delorme but I'm not feeling that is good enough considering the cost of the project and some trees I see in the distance. Is anyone out there offering path analysis for a fair rate? -RickG On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Rick: You have been getting some good advice here. I am not a networking guru and have never played one on TV, but do know a thing or two about RF. It seems with your physical layout you may have an opportunity for some space diversity. A simple link will probably serve you with 3 nines or so. If infrequent outages will sit OK with the user, then engineer a link with single radios. If you use some of the more inexpensive radio solutions as proffered here, you could put up two links with 20' to 30' of physical separation. Or, one dish on the water tower, and two on the new tower. The single one could be the AP and the other two remote ones stations. You could use an MT router running OSPF with one having a higher cost than the other. If one failed, the other would take over. My fear of a 20 mile link would be those atmospheric events we sometimes see -- tropospheric ducting. I would be curious what you come up with. Mike At 09:22 PM 11/30/2009, you wrote: Planning my first 20 mile PTP link. Path analysis shows clear. Customer is building a 100' tower just for this therefore the equipment I choose must work. I'm free to use whatever I want. Suggestions? -RickG --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
[WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...
Agreed, resolution is key for me too. I keep the right monitor open with Wispmon or RadioMobile running or sometimes I just have six or more Winbox windows open on it monitoring client routers etc... I don't know what I'd do without the desktop space I have now and have even found myself looking for more on occasion! We have a projector setup in my brothers office that has decent resolution, but no way I'd want that over my 30 monitors. However, playing any first person shooter game is impressive. LOL! My other brother uses his 1080p 46-47 LCD Vizio on his wall as a second monitor. It's ok too, but again resolution is lacking for much of anything other than network status information or general web browsing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I believe there are bigger\better monitors, but I believe you're going up exponentially in price. I know I've seen a DLP projector whose smaller resolution was 3000 or 4000, but it was about $125k. I'd rather have 30 monitors than larger TVs because of resolution, but I'm thinking a large 1080p TV mounted to a wall would make a nice display for a rolling network status presentation (network maps of different parts, server status, network utilizations, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin 30 monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes for a fair amount of playground. grin Hmmm...twin 52 monitors would be nice, but I doubt there is a display larger than 30 that will support 2560 x 1600. Dang it! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link You mean you don't have a 52 widescreen monitor? Until you get the technology that you are SUPPOSED to have, stop your belly aching just because you can't read 8pt type! :) (Joke) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link WOW! It is expensive. Nearly 3% of the revenue from each customer (assuming approx 35.00 monthly per customer) is a nice hit. And whatever their website is done in, does me in. That initializing that keeps coming up and the small typeface is frustrating. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link A relatively nifty new monitoring service out there also has a great path profile tool built-in. The person that is developing the product is a long time wireless operator, so he has a very good feel for what our industry needs. www.wispmon.com I've been a RadioMobile user for years now, but have found myself using the path profiler in wispmon more often than RadioMobile. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 10:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link $75 using 10 meter terrain data and 30 meter resolution tree clutter. Thank You, Brian Webster 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. Cooperstown, NY 13326 www.wirelessmapping.com 607-643-4055 Voice 607-435-3988 Mobile 208-692-1898 Fax On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:59 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: THANKS to EVERYONE for their input. I'll let you know what I decide. Another question: Normally I do my path analysis with Delorme but I'm not feeling that is good enough considering the cost of the project and some trees I see in the distance. Is anyone out there offering path analysis for a fair rate? -RickG On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:36 AM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Rick: You have been getting some good advice here. I am not a networking guru and have never played one on TV, but do know a thing or two about RF. It seems with your physical layout you may have an opportunity for some space diversity. A simple link will probably serve you with 3 nines or so. If infrequent outages will sit OK with the user, then engineer a link with single radios. If you use some of the more inexpensive radio solutions as proffered here, you could put up two links
Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...
I'll tell you whatthis is really getting off topic, but I've been to Jerry's World (the new Texas Stadium) a couple times now and that 60 YARD LONG HD Jumbo-Tron is absolutely amazing! The image quality is truly is no different than looking at the HD TV you have at home or office. I have pictures of that screen that look like I took the picture standing on the stage next to the performer or standing on the field next to the player. There is no pixelation. Pretty crazy... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:06 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link ONLY 2 30? Okay, dude. I'm feeling sorry for you a little but surly you can pony up some of that moldy money and get a couple of Jumbo-Trons and the supporting semi-trailer. Get with the times. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs... I have a pair of 48 Vizio LCDs mounted on the wall for various infrastructure monitoring using the RGB inputs and a dual output card in a Dell desktop. They work pretty well but they both had issues with dim picture after about 3 months... Replaced the power outlet to them and the warrenty replaced both displays. So far so good for the last year or so. Makes it MUCH easier to monitor at a glance critical systems without having to use up more of my primary PC's desktop (tri monitor setup)... Picture attached - we usually have a number of telemetry monitoring applications up... On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Agreed, resolution is key for me too. I keep the right monitor open with Wispmon or RadioMobile running or sometimes I just have six or more Winbox windows open on it monitoring client routers etc... I don't know what I'd do without the desktop space I have now and have even found myself looking for more on occasion! We have a projector setup in my brothers office that has decent resolution, but no way I'd want that over my 30 monitors. However, playing any first person shooter game is impressive. LOL! My other brother uses his 1080p 46-47 LCD Vizio on his wall as a second monitor. It's ok too, but again resolution is lacking for much of anything other than network status information or general web browsing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I believe there are bigger\better monitors, but I believe you're going up exponentially in price. I know I've seen a DLP projector whose smaller resolution was 3000 or 4000, but it was about $125k. I'd rather have 30 monitors than larger TVs because of resolution, but I'm thinking a large 1080p TV mounted to a wall would make a nice display for a rolling network status presentation (network maps of different parts, server status, network utilizations, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin 30 monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes for a fair amount of playground. grin Hmmm...twin 52 monitors would be nice, but I doubt there is a display larger than 30 that will support 2560 x 1600. Dang it! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link You mean you don't have a 52 widescreen monitor? Until you get the technology that you are SUPPOSED to have, stop your belly aching just because you can't read 8pt type! :) (Joke) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link WOW! It is expensive. Nearly 3% of the revenue from each customer (assuming approx 35.00 monthly per customer) is a nice hit. And whatever their website is done in, does me in. That initializing that keeps coming up and the small typeface is frustrating. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...
Ha! Looks good. Those appear to be the same Vizio LCD TVs my brother Bill and I have on our office walls. Mine typically stays on the FoxHD Business Channel, but I did run a VGA cable to it in the event I want to plug a laptop in etc. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of AJ Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 11:04 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs... I have a pair of 48 Vizio LCDs mounted on the wall for various infrastructure monitoring using the RGB inputs and a dual output card in a Dell desktop. They work pretty well but they both had issues with dim picture after about 3 months... Replaced the power outlet to them and the warrenty replaced both displays. So far so good for the last year or so. Makes it MUCH easier to monitor at a glance critical systems without having to use up more of my primary PC's desktop (tri monitor setup)... Picture attached - we usually have a number of telemetry monitoring applications up... On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: Agreed, resolution is key for me too. I keep the right monitor open with Wispmon or RadioMobile running or sometimes I just have six or more Winbox windows open on it monitoring client routers etc... I don't know what I'd do without the desktop space I have now and have even found myself looking for more on occasion! We have a projector setup in my brothers office that has decent resolution, but no way I'd want that over my 30 monitors. However, playing any first person shooter game is impressive. LOL! My other brother uses his 1080p 46-47 LCD Vizio on his wall as a second monitor. It's ok too, but again resolution is lacking for much of anything other than network status information or general web browsing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I believe there are bigger\better monitors, but I believe you're going up exponentially in price. I know I've seen a DLP projector whose smaller resolution was 3000 or 4000, but it was about $125k. I'd rather have 30 monitors than larger TVs because of resolution, but I'm thinking a large 1080p TV mounted to a wall would make a nice display for a rolling network status presentation (network maps of different parts, server status, network utilizations, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin 30 monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes for a fair amount of playground. grin Hmmm...twin 52 monitors would be nice, but I doubt there is a display larger than 30 that will support 2560 x 1600. Dang it! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link You mean you don't have a 52 widescreen monitor? Until you get the technology that you are SUPPOSED to have, stop your belly aching just because you can't read 8pt type! :) (Joke) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link WOW! It is expensive. Nearly 3% of the revenue from each customer (assuming approx 35.00 monthly per customer) is a nice hit. And whatever their website is done in, does me in. That initializing that keeps coming up and the small typeface is frustrating. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link A relatively nifty new monitoring service out there also has a great path profile tool built-in. The person that is developing the product is a long time wireless operator, so he has a very good feel for what our industry needs. www.wispmon.com I've been a RadioMobile user for years now, but have found myself using the path profiler in wispmon more often than RadioMobile. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Tuesday
Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs...
Yes and no. We have a few sites added and are evaluating it. It really is impressive and again the reason I brought it up was because the profiling tool is a valuable asset. It's fast and so far seems to be as or more accurate than RadioMobile. There is a lot Wispmon does that we're not interested in, but is more tailored to the majority of the wireless operators out there. I'll venture to guess we deploy a fraction of the number of radios most here manage. Our business model is a bit different and doesn't require hundreds or thousands of radios like Travis, Matt and the like deploy! Shoot Cameron an email for more details. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs... Brad, Are you actively using wispmon? Feedback? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:53 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs... Agreed, resolution is key for me too. I keep the right monitor open with Wispmon or RadioMobile running or sometimes I just have six or more Winbox windows open on it monitoring client routers etc... I don't know what I'd do without the desktop space I have now and have even found myself looking for more on occasion! We have a projector setup in my brothers office that has decent resolution, but no way I'd want that over my 30 monitors. However, playing any first person shooter game is impressive. LOL! My other brother uses his 1080p 46-47 LCD Vizio on his wall as a second monitor. It's ok too, but again resolution is lacking for much of anything other than network status information or general web browsing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I believe there are bigger\better monitors, but I believe you're going up exponentially in price. I know I've seen a DLP projector whose smaller resolution was 3000 or 4000, but it was about $125k. I'd rather have 30 monitors than larger TVs because of resolution, but I'm thinking a large 1080p TV mounted to a wall would make a nice display for a rolling network status presentation (network maps of different parts, server status, network utilizations, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin 30 monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes for a fair amount of playground. grin Hmmm...twin 52 monitors would be nice, but I doubt there is a display larger than 30 that will support 2560 x 1600. Dang it! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link You mean you don't have a 52 widescreen monitor? Until you get the technology that you are SUPPOSED to have, stop your belly aching just because you can't read 8pt type! :) (Joke) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link WOW! It is expensive. Nearly 3% of the revenue from each customer (assuming approx 35.00 monthly per customer) is a nice hit. And whatever their website is done in, does me in. That initializing that keeps coming up and the small typeface is frustrating. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:38 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link A relatively nifty new monitoring service out there also has a great path profile tool built-in. The person that is developing the product is a long time wireless operator, so he has a very good feel for what our industry needs. www.wispmon.com I've been a RadioMobile user for years now, but have found myself using the path profiler in wispmon more often than RadioMobile. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution forMapping Programs...
Sorry, I cc'd Cameron on that last post and thought you'd see his email address. Guess it didn't show up! cc...@dot11net.com Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution forMapping Programs... Cameron who? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:31 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution forMapping Programs... Yes and no. We have a few sites added and are evaluating it. It really is impressive and again the reason I brought it up was because the profiling tool is a valuable asset. It's fast and so far seems to be as or more accurate than RadioMobile. There is a lot Wispmon does that we're not interested in, but is more tailored to the majority of the wireless operators out there. I'll venture to guess we deploy a fraction of the number of radios most here manage. Our business model is a bit different and doesn't require hundreds or thousands of radios like Travis, Matt and the like deploy! Shoot Cameron an email for more details. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:58 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs... Brad, Are you actively using wispmon? Feedback? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 12:53 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Large Monitors with high resolution for Mapping Programs... Agreed, resolution is key for me too. I keep the right monitor open with Wispmon or RadioMobile running or sometimes I just have six or more Winbox windows open on it monitoring client routers etc... I don't know what I'd do without the desktop space I have now and have even found myself looking for more on occasion! We have a projector setup in my brothers office that has decent resolution, but no way I'd want that over my 30 monitors. However, playing any first person shooter game is impressive. LOL! My other brother uses his 1080p 46-47 LCD Vizio on his wall as a second monitor. It's ok too, but again resolution is lacking for much of anything other than network status information or general web browsing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:36 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link I believe there are bigger\better monitors, but I believe you're going up exponentially in price. I know I've seen a DLP projector whose smaller resolution was 3000 or 4000, but it was about $125k. I'd rather have 30 monitors than larger TVs because of resolution, but I'm thinking a large 1080p TV mounted to a wall would make a nice display for a rolling network status presentation (network maps of different parts, server status, network utilizations, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 10:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link Funny you mention this...yes, viewing RadioMobile or Wispmon on my twin 30 monitors running 2560 x 1600 each makes for a fair amount of playground. grin Hmmm...twin 52 monitors would be nice, but I doubt there is a display larger than 30 that will support 2560 x 1600. Dang it! Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 9:57 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link You mean you don't have a 52 widescreen monitor? Until you get the technology that you are SUPPOSED to have, stop your belly aching just because you can't read 8pt type! :) (Joke) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 1:15 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] 20 mile link WOW! It is expensive. Nearly 3% of the revenue from each customer (assuming approx 35.00 monthly per customer) is a nice hit. And whatever their website is done in, does me in. That initializing that keeps coming up
Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus.
I agree with Rick, Chuck and Travis thus far. Nothing is free and unfortunately the cancer our government has spawned is spreading into our industry right along with autos, banks, health care, etc, etc. That is clearly why this is on topic. Government doesn't create anything much less create jobs. The American entrepreneur is who creates jobs... Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. The topic says FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. not wireless :) Call it political or whatever, the comments are on topic. On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Boy I'm sure glad that this discussion is staying on the topic of wireless otherwise 100 people would need to jump in right about here and start explaining their political positions :-[ Chuck Profito wrote: This is very interesting, they bailed out GM with our $$ and gave the biggest % to the union that had the least % at risk and/or invested. Now they are throwing our Mgrs left and right and telling them what to pay. Even the union is ticked. They made some banks take the funds along with derivatives and toxic assets, but never changed the rules for loaning money back to the way it was. So no loans still...now the banks are giving the $$ back because of the intrusive nature of the lien holder telling them who can be paid what and many other internal things. A banker friend of mine said It's like a eighth grader coming in telling us how to run our bank, no life experience, no job experience, no work ethic, no ethics discernable, but he's read the book. So these gov types, with NO business experience, especially in your business, are going to lay out the hoops on the quicksand for you to jump in and out of? Good luck to those of you that are becoming part of this, I do hope I'm wrong for your families sake. Too, too many hooks for me. Chuck -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 7:39 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC plans to turn over private data to aid broadband stimulus. What a web we weave! It all goes back to the money. If they didnt offer the money, they wouldnt need the information. Doesnt anyone care about big government? Since when is it their job to determine where service should or should not be? What will you do when they own you? On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 1:59 AM, Chuck Bartoschch...@clarityconnect.com ch...@clarityconnect.comwrote: Knew it would happen? Isn't that kind of what the data is FOR in the first place? To determine where there's service and where there isn't...and they don't want to be funding applications where there's already sufficient documented service. Seems to me it's exactly the right thing to do. Chuck On Dec 2, 2009, at 11:29 PM, RickG wrote: I knew this would happen. And thats only what they admit to. On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: http://blog.telephonyonline.com/unfiltered/2009/12/01/fcc-plans-to-turn-over -private-data-to-aid-broadband-stimulus/ Scottie Wireless High Speed Broadband service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $30.00/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com/wireless.html for information. WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today!http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] health insurance
The auto insurance vs. health insurance comparison is a flawed argument. The government doesn't force you to buy auto insurance if you don't need it. The government won't fine you and ultimately put you in jail for not buying auto insurance from them if you don't need it. Our government is proposing law that will enable them to fine and ultimately put you in jail for not buying health insurance from them. They are taking your freedom of choice away from you and forcing you to buy something from them at a price they see fit and with a level of service they see fit. Big difference. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:50 PM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the poor-house. I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out because of the financial burden of going to the hospital. I am more than happy to pay for extra medical services. Whatever those may be.. Heck, I can even buy more insurance if I need to. I buy extra insurance riders for my car to cover me when I am driving on private forest-lands on top of the mandatory insurance needed for my vehicle. Why are we not having a discussion regarding required insurance for vehicles? Aren't you just as p-o-ed that you are required to pay that extra tax to drive your car? Again.. need more sleep, less coffee.. Sorry to rant so much... ryan On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.comwrote: Hello, I worked on a programming project for one of the guys that started WedMD years back. He was starting another company that worked with the insurance flow of paper work. He said several times that 70% to 80% of the insurance premiums we pay go to the middle man and not to pay for the doctors services. My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Yes, we in South Florida have some of the highest insurance rates (all types of insurance). There are many reasons, non of them that make a great deal of sense to me, but I have heard all kinds of excuses... The original point was, Health Care Insurance is a necessity. Health Care Insurance should be a vital benefit, provided by an Employer whenever possible. Health Care Insurance is expensive So, How do you set up this benefit so that it makes sense for all (Employer and Employee). There are a number of very effective ways to do this, rather than the drastic options to convert Employees to Contractors... BTW, if you Talk to you Accountant, they will also tell you that simply paying someone on a 1099 as a Contractor, does not make them a contract employee There are other 'litmus' tests used to determine the exact status, in-case someone challenges the status quo. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:06 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance A... now we know it's Florida that is causing everyone else's insurance rates to go up... :) We pay about $700/month to cover an entire family (this is just health insurance, the dental and vision is extra). Travis Microserv Faisal Imtiaz wrote: As a business owner, in Florida, where the Health Insurance is one of the highest in the US, we have seeing 15-20% increses every year for the last few years. It is nice to see that you offer 100% health insurance coverage for all of your Employees, where the company is picking up the Tab for the Insurance
Re: [WISPA] health insurance
I agree with your post pointing out the excessive waste and costs our current health system is plagued with. I believe health care reform is needed, but not by putting government in charge of it. Instead find the waste and the reason why two Advil costs $8 in a hospital. Allow for greater competition between insurance companies. Reduce the number of frivolous lawsuits. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I was going to say that and completely agree :) On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: The auto insurance vs. health insurance comparison is a flawed argument. The government doesn't force you to buy auto insurance if you don't need it. The government won't fine you and ultimately put you in jail for not buying auto insurance from them if you don't need it. Our government is proposing law that will enable them to fine and ultimately put you in jail for not buying health insurance from them. They are taking your freedom of choice away from you and forcing you to buy something from them at a price they see fit and with a level of service they see fit. Big difference. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:50 PM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the poor-house. I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out because of the financial burden of going to the hospital. I am more than happy to pay for extra medical services. Whatever those may be.. Heck, I can even buy more insurance if I need to. I buy extra insurance riders for my car to cover me when I am driving on private forest-lands on top of the mandatory insurance needed for my vehicle. Why are we not having a discussion regarding required insurance for vehicles? Aren't you just as p-o-ed that you are required to pay that extra tax to drive your car? Again.. need more sleep, less coffee.. Sorry to rant so much... ryan On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.comwrote: Hello, I worked on a programming project for one of the guys that started WedMD years back. He was starting another company that worked with the insurance flow of paper work. He said several times that 70% to 80% of the insurance premiums we pay go to the middle man and not to pay for the doctors services. My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Yes, we in South Florida have some of the highest insurance rates (all types of insurance). There are many reasons, non of them that make a great deal of sense to me, but I have heard all kinds of excuses... The original point was, Health Care Insurance is a necessity. Health Care Insurance should be a vital benefit, provided by an Employer whenever possible. Health Care Insurance is expensive So, How do you set up this benefit so that it makes sense for all (Employer and Employee). There are a number of very effective ways to do this, rather than the drastic options to convert Employees to Contractors... BTW, if you Talk to you Accountant, they will also tell you that simply paying someone on a 1099 as a Contractor, does not make them a contract employee There are other 'litmus' tests used to determine the exact status, in-case someone challenges the status quo. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original
Re: [WISPA] health insurance
I have the utmost respect for our first responders and volunteers like Ryan, but even the best of intentions can result in extreme waste and undue cost. Here is a local story I stumbled across the other day. Larry happens to be someone I know and a WISP. While his care flight experience was bad it wasn't as bad as the poor guy with a sore throat! http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/1809462.html Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:50 PM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the poor-house. I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out because of the financial burden of going to the hospital. I am more than happy to pay for extra medical services. Whatever those may be.. Heck, I can even buy more insurance if I need to. I buy extra insurance riders for my car to cover me when I am driving on private forest-lands on top of the mandatory insurance needed for my vehicle. Why are we not having a discussion regarding required insurance for vehicles? Aren't you just as p-o-ed that you are required to pay that extra tax to drive your car? Again.. need more sleep, less coffee.. Sorry to rant so much... ryan On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.comwrote: Hello, I worked on a programming project for one of the guys that started WedMD years back. He was starting another company that worked with the insurance flow of paper work. He said several times that 70% to 80% of the insurance premiums we pay go to the middle man and not to pay for the doctors services. My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Yes, we in South Florida have some of the highest insurance rates (all types of insurance). There are many reasons, non of them that make a great deal of sense to me, but I have heard all kinds of excuses... The original point was, Health Care Insurance is a necessity. Health Care Insurance should be a vital benefit, provided by an Employer whenever possible. Health Care Insurance is expensive So, How do you set up this benefit so that it makes sense for all (Employer and Employee). There are a number of very effective ways to do this, rather than the drastic options to convert Employees to Contractors... BTW, if you Talk to you Accountant, they will also tell you that simply paying someone on a 1099 as a Contractor, does not make them a contract employee There are other 'litmus' tests used to determine the exact status, in-case someone challenges the status quo. Faisal Imtiaz Computer Office Solutions Inc. /SnappyDSL.net Ph: (305) 663-5518 x 232 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 11:06 PM To: fai...@snappydsl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance A... now we know it's Florida that is causing everyone else's insurance rates to go up... :) We pay about $700/month to cover an entire family (this is just health insurance, the dental and vision is extra). Travis Microserv Faisal Imtiaz wrote: As a business owner, in Florida, where the Health Insurance is one of the highest in the US, we have seeing 15-20% increses every year for the last few years. It is nice to see that you offer 100% health insurance coverage for all of your Employees, where the company is picking up the Tab for the Insurance Premiums. Simply for the sake of my understanding, why would you choose to force us to go to a subcontractor type work-force (at least for 5-10 of our current employees)
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The answer to your first question is our government currently limits where insurance companies can offer their coverage. Open up the entire country to all health insurance companies and you'll see competition increase and prices decrease. This is economics 101, but our elected officials can't seem to get their arms around it...or simply choose not to. Your second question/point is correct. Creating a government option will discourage competition resulting in a single payer system. With a single payer system it is my opinion the cost will go up and the services provided will go down. Without competition I see this as the only outcome. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul C Diem Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded program will do. Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is gets me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about this: 1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is averaging a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a great $75 billion/year? 2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance industry. How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free enterprises in any industry? Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty and not that it's an extra tax. Either way I'd have insurance on my vehicles. I would agree that the cost is too high which is for the same reasons our health care is so high. I too have been one of those people that begged not to send me to the hospital because I couldnt afford it. I still ended up there, I still paid several thousand dollars, and thats the way it was. I had absolutely the best care I could ever ask for and I'm still here live kickin for it. Just a lot less savings in the bank. And I still dont want any government plan or their help in any way. What I'm p-o-ed about is why it costs so much. For example, $8 for 2 asperin! As a wise old friend of mine used to say follow the dollar. Thats what needs to be fixed. Then our health care policies will go down but not until the waste is corrected. -RickG On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the poor-house. I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out because of the financial burden of going to the hospital. I am more than happy to pay for extra medical services. Whatever those may be.. Heck, I can even buy more insurance if I need to. I buy extra insurance riders for my car to cover me when I am driving on private forest-lands on top of the mandatory insurance needed for my vehicle. Why are we not having a discussion regarding required insurance for vehicles? Aren't you just as p-o-ed that you are required to pay that extra tax to drive your car? Again.. need more sleep, less coffee.. Sorry to rant so much... ryan On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com wrote: Hello, I worked on a programming project for one of the guys that started WedMD years back. He was starting another company that worked with the insurance flow of paper work. He said several times that 70% to 80% of the insurance premiums we pay go to the middle man and not to pay for the doctors services. My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait
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Vote 'em out! I'm speaking of any representative regardless of party affiliation that has voted for government run health care. They clearly aren't listening to the people they represent. Look closely at the incumbent's voting record and listen to the challenger's ideas during the primaries. I know I won't be voting for very many incumbents come next year and will be looking to help put representation in place that reflects ideas and values that I agree with. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance That's right - government cant be the answer. Your questions are viable. We need to speak up and many have but unfortunately either they are not listening or dont care. I've not found anyone that wants the government running health care or even an option. This includes many low wage earners I am acquainted with. So, I know where the people are who are against the bill but where are the proponents at? On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net wrote: Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded program will do. Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is gets me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about this: 1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is averaging a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a great $75 billion/year? 2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance industry. How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free enterprises in any industry? Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty and not that it's an extra tax. Either way I'd have insurance on my vehicles. I would agree that the cost is too high which is for the same reasons our health care is so high. I too have been one of those people that begged not to send me to the hospital because I couldnt afford it. I still ended up there, I still paid several thousand dollars, and thats the way it was. I had absolutely the best care I could ever ask for and I'm still here live kickin for it. Just a lot less savings in the bank. And I still dont want any government plan or their help in any way. What I'm p-o-ed about is why it costs so much. For example, $8 for 2 asperin! As a wise old friend of mine used to say follow the dollar. Thats what needs to be fixed. Then our health care policies will go down but not until the waste is corrected. -RickG On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the poor-house. I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out because of the financial burden of going to the hospital. I am more than happy to pay for extra medical services. Whatever those may be.. Heck, I can even buy more insurance if I need to. I buy extra insurance riders for my car to cover me when I am driving on private forest-lands on top of the mandatory insurance needed for my vehicle. Why are we not having a discussion regarding required insurance for vehicles? Aren't you just as p-o-ed that you are required to pay that extra tax to drive your car? Again.. need more sleep, less coffee.. Sorry to rant so much... ryan On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.com wrote: Hello, I worked on a programming project for one of the guys that started WedMD years back. He was starting another company that worked with the insurance flow of paper
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That's correct and you're blaming the doctor? Your example gives you some idea the amount of waste our current system is saddled with. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: health insurance I believe it is the doctors/hospitals causing the issues with high insurance. Here as a good example... True Story: I have two friends that have children that needed/had the same operation. Friend 1 had insurance, Friend 2 did not. They went to the same doctors and same hospitals. Friend 1 with insurance was charged around $40,000 total for the child's surgery. Friend 2, that did not have insurance, told them up front, and the cost was around $15,000 total. There were no complications in either case. I also made a trip to the emergency room a few years ago. I was charged $10 for 1 Tylenol. So something smells awful fishy here. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 23:17:43 -0600 The answer to your first question is our government currently limits where insurance companies can offer their coverage. Open up the entire country to all health insurance companies and you'll see competition increase and prices decrease. This is economics 101, but our elected officials can't seem to get their arms around it...or simply choose not to. Your second question/point is correct. Creating a government option will discourage competition resulting in a single payer system. With a single payer system it is my opinion the cost will go up and the services provided will go down. Without competition I see this as the only outcome. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul C Diem Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 11:05 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Correcting the waste is the exact opposite of what a government funded program will do. Honestly, I don't pay too much attention to the news anymore because is gets me too po'ed. Can someone answer a couple basic question I have about this: 1. If the high cost of health care insurance is being caused by the insurance company executives raking in loads of money, why hasn't free enterprises created competition. If all the insurance company A is averaging a profit of $100 billion/year, wouldn't free enterprise generate a competitor that decided to charge 25% lower premiums and still make a great $75 billion/year? 2. I keep hearing that the idea of a federal government sponsored health care insurance program is to create competition in the insurance industry. How can tax dollar funded anything be considered true competition to free enterprises in any industry? Paul C Diem pcd...@foxvalley.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:19 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance I was against mandatory insurance on vehicles but for reasons of liberty and not that it's an extra tax. Either way I'd have insurance on my vehicles. I would agree that the cost is too high which is for the same reasons our health care is so high. I too have been one of those people that begged not to send me to the hospital because I couldnt afford it. I still ended up there, I still paid several thousand dollars, and thats the way it was. I had absolutely the best care I could ever ask for and I'm still here live kickin for it. Just a lot less savings in the bank. And I still dont want any government plan or their help in any way. What I'm p-o-ed about is why it costs so much. For example, $8 for 2 asperin! As a wise old friend of mine used to say follow the dollar. Thats what needs to be fixed. Then our health care policies will go down but not until the waste is corrected. -RickG On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Ryan Spott rsp...@cspott.com wrote: My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the poor-house. I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out
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I was clear when I said need insurance. If you don't have a car or drive the car on the public roadway the government doesn't fine you or jail you for not having auto insurance. The government isn't forcing you to have a car and buy their auto insurance at the price and under the terms they dictate. That is exactly what is being proposed with this government run health care system. Again, big difference. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance In Illinois you are required to purchase auto insurance and you will get fined, and I believe ultimately jailed if you continue to ignore that mandate. They don't provide it, but you are required to carry a minimum liability. It is at the state level, where it should be instead of at the national level. I don't care that Massachusetts has state run public healthcare because I don't live there. I'm sure someone will complain about being a political discussion, but health insurance and how the government treats it is very important to any business. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance The auto insurance vs. health insurance comparison is a flawed argument. The government doesn't force you to buy auto insurance if you don't need it. The government won't fine you and ultimately put you in jail for not buying auto insurance from them if you don't need it. Our government is proposing law that will enable them to fine and ultimately put you in jail for not buying health insurance from them. They are taking your freedom of choice away from you and forcing you to buy something from them at a price they see fit and with a level of service they see fit. Big difference. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:50 PM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. That sounds awesome.. Now. where do I get BASIC health care? Cause I am tired of being terrified that BASIC health care will put me in the poor-house. I volunteer as a firefighter/paramedic.. I am tired of patients (sometimes in horrific car accidents) that ask me to NOT take them to the hospital because they cannot afford it. Imagine looking down on someone that you just extracted from a car wreck and have strapped to a backboard begging you to let them up and let them out because of the financial burden of going to the hospital. I am more than happy to pay for extra medical services. Whatever those may be.. Heck, I can even buy more insurance if I need to. I buy extra insurance riders for my car to cover me when I am driving on private forest-lands on top of the mandatory insurance needed for my vehicle. Why are we not having a discussion regarding required insurance for vehicles? Aren't you just as p-o-ed that you are required to pay that extra tax to drive your car? Again.. need more sleep, less coffee.. Sorry to rant so much... ryan On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Nathan Stooke nstooke...@wisperisp.comwrote: Hello, I worked on a programming project for one of the guys that started WedMD years back. He was starting another company that worked with the insurance flow of paper work. He said several times that 70% to 80% of the insurance premiums we pay go to the middle man and not to pay for the doctors services. My wife is from South Africa where they have a public health care system. One of the fastest growing industries is private healthcare. If you want better service or do not want to wait in huge lines or want to go to the newest hospitals you pay extra to visit the private services. Thanks -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:22 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Yes, we in South Florida have some of the highest insurance rates (all types of insurance). There are many reasons, non of them that make a great deal of sense to me, but I have heard all kinds of excuses... The original point was, Health Care Insurance is a necessity. Health Care
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Bottom line is auto insurance is not required. However, they are proposing government run health insurance will be required and you will be fined and put in jail if you don't buy it. The entire car insurance as it compares to the proposed health insurance is a failed argument. There is no comparison. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance The majority don't have more cars than people, but I don't know any in my area that has fewer cars than people, only the same or more. Some people it's sports cars; some people they have a somewhat nice car they drive in summer and a beater for winter; some people it's recreational whether its for offroading, racing, RVs, etc.; some have a commuter car and a regular car; car or two at their summer home; etc.; etc. Then there's vehicles they have due to any work or business they're involved in, but I didn't include those. This tangent is a little too far out, so any further replies on this, please direct them to me offlist. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:33 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance Why would the majority of individual people need multiple cars? I can see a family of 3 having 3 cars. I can see a worker needing a car to get around and a van/truck for work. But I can't see random Joe (like me) needing a second vehicle. Or are you including company owned vehicles? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. --- Albert Einstein On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: Well right, but a vast majority of people that live outside of Chicago or St. Louis have one or more cars per person because that's what it takes to participate in society (work, school, food, etc.). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Blake Bowers bbow...@mozarks.com Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:07 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance In IL, like Missouri, you are only required to have that insurance if you own/operate a vehicle. There are LOTS of people out there that don't. In the US, if they have their way, I will be required to have insurance period. It does not matter if I am self pay, never not payed, and am happy with that. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance In Illinois you are required to purchase auto insurance and you will get fined, and I believe ultimately jailed if you continue to ignore that mandate. They don't provide it, but you are required to carry a minimum liability. It is at the state level, where it should be instead of at the national level. I don't care that Massachusetts has state run public healthcare because I don't live there. I'm sure someone will complain about being a political discussion, but health insurance and how the government treats it is very important to any business. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 10:26 PM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance The auto insurance vs. health insurance comparison is a flawed argument. The government doesn't force you to buy auto insurance if you don't need it. The government won't fine you and ultimately put you in jail for not buying auto insurance from them if you don't need it. Our government is proposing law that will enable them to fine and ultimately put you in jail for not buying health insurance from them. They are taking your freedom of choice away from you and forcing you to buy something from them at a price they see fit and with a level of service they see fit. Big difference. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Spott Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 9:50 PM To: nsto...@wisperisp.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance
Re: [WISPA] health insurance
If the current draft now says you can't be jailed for not paying this particular tax/fine then ok, but that's not the way it was written earlier. I wouldn't be surprised if this is flipped back...sooner or later. Regardless, the government is forcing you to buy something from them at a price they determine with services they see fit. Doesn't sound like a good idea to me... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 11:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:57, Brad Belton b...@belwave.com wrote: While I haven't read the entire 2000+ page proposed bill I apparently have read more of it than you. Clearly not, or else you'd know that the fine actually is just a tax penalty, and that the current draft of the Senate Finance Committee bill actually includes an explicit provision saying the exact opposite (i.e. you explicitly cannot be jailed for failure to pay this specific tax). http://www.factcheck.org/2009/11/imprisoned-for-not-having-health-care/ Don't get me wrong, the bill still is a travesty, but that's because it doesn't go far enough in providing effective health care to tens of millions of Americans. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance....
Great post! clap - clap - clap Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Insurance As business people, we should be looking at insurance for health like we do as insurance for everything else.What's it there for? Protect us from catastrophe, like falling through some guy's glass skylight, or accidently parking the bucket truck on top of his sprinker control box and it falls through the lid... Or, think of any other catastrophic accident, in terms of cost... I don't know about you, but in my family, we evaluate our spending on food, cell phones, and other stuff on a regular basis. We have an item that goes to pay doctor bills.I haven't had insurance in years, but we do have a hundreds of dollars a month budget item. (there's 7 in the family). Imagine if used the insurance on the work rig to pay for having the tires changed, oil changed, washed, seat tear fixed, tuneups, and even brake jobs.Not only would your car insurance be stupidly high, we'd never care what the places charged to do the fixing, since insurance pays. As business people, we use our analytical powers to fix stuff, save money, etc. Apply it to health insurance.You KNOW you're going to spend money on it. Budget for it. But use insurance only as catastrophic relief, and find doctors, clinics, pharmacies that give you the best deal for cash, and take advantage of it.Since WWII, the laws concerning taxes and wage controls provided high incentive for employers to pay for health insurance as a benefit to be competitive.Now, everyone expects employer to pay the bill and health care should be free or close to it. Since that means YOU consume, the insurance pays, the doctor charges... You can fully understand why prices spiral out of control - there is no market forces to control prices. Every single payer health system in the world controls costs by simply deciding who can and who cannot be treated.It lacks any market forces to make anyone or anything competitive.And we've almost done that here, by removing the consumer from the equation. Imagine what kind of revenues we could generate if the government promised everyone broadband... the consumer used, we provided, beaurocrats pay. Either prices would spiral upwards wildly, or we'd start capping customers and limiting use to control OUR costs. The free market really does work. We use it daily in our business... Now imagine if we used it for health care, too.We know how to do that, don't we? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance....
No kidding. No profits no medical advancements. Where do people go when they seek the best doctors and health system in the world? America. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:15 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance No, not that simple... On 12/7/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Exactly. We are the one and only industrialized country (with whatever industry we might have left) who puts profit in healthcare. As you stated, their goal is to NOT pay and they can and do come up with anything they can find to do that. Profit has no place in healthcare. Single payer is the only thing I see working. As far as increased taxes to pay for it, we already are paying for it and getting zero bang for our buck. As George from the great white north said, healthcare shows up nowhere in his budget. They just pay extra in taxes. Medicare for all. End of the controversy. Simple. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance One of the basic probems IMO is that the whole idea of medical insurance, as currentlky implemented, is fundamentally flawed. Consider selling ISP services under the model of broadband insurance. Under that model, your customer would pay you a certain amount per month in case he needs broadband, and you would do your best to find reasons to deny him access. Or how about housing insurance instead of monthly rent. You pay the landlord a certain amount every month in case you need shelter and he oversubscribes a number of his units and hires guards to keep people out on various pretexts. Sound completely ridiculous, yet unless you're in an HMO like Kaiser that's the system we have now. What we need is universal (private or public) access to medical care, healthy lifestyle incentives, and the elimination of stupid laws that only serve to increase the costs of medical care and prescription drugs to US consumers, restrict free-market access across state and international lines,create incentives toward excess consumption and CYA medical pratices, and only serve to increase the costs of medical care and prescription drugs to US consumers. Tom S. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Someone posted earlier that the health insurance industry is not truly run in a free market. It's failure is exactly due to this. Even after all the government rules and regulations, who in the USA does not have access to health care? On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 16:42, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: The free market really does work. We use it daily in our business... Now imagine if we used it for health care, too.We know how to do that, don't we? There is a fundamental difference between broadband Internet and basic medical care, and the fact that tens of millions of Americans have better access to the former than the latter shows that in this instance the free market has failed miserably. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.426 / Virus Database: 270.14.97/2550 - Release Date: 12/07/09 07:33:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance....
Wow...speechless. I suggest you visit Cuba for all your health care needs. You won't and you know it. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:22 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Actually, most of the advancement now is coming from other countries. We're behind but since we live in it, we can't smell it. We rank near number 37 in health care, that certainly is not being a leader. Even our friend, Cuba ranks higher than we do. Shameful for a country as well off as we are. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blake Bowers Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 9:34 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance With no profit we would have no advancement. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'Tom Sharples' tsharp...@qorvus.com; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Exactly. We are the one and only industrialized country (with whatever industry we might have left) who puts profit in healthcare. As you stated, their goal is to NOT pay and they can and do come up with anything they can find to do that. Profit has no place in healthcare. Single payer is the only thing I see working. As far as increased taxes to pay for it, we already are paying for it and getting zero bang for our buck. As George from the great white north said, healthcare shows up nowhere in his budget. They just pay extra in taxes. Medicare for all. End of the controversy. Simple. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom Sharples Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance One of the basic probems IMO is that the whole idea of medical insurance, as currentlky implemented, is fundamentally flawed. Consider selling ISP services under the model of broadband insurance. Under that model, your customer would pay you a certain amount per month in case he needs broadband, and you would do your best to find reasons to deny him access. Or how about housing insurance instead of monthly rent. You pay the landlord a certain amount every month in case you need shelter and he oversubscribes a number of his units and hires guards to keep people out on various pretexts. Sound completely ridiculous, yet unless you're in an HMO like Kaiser that's the system we have now. What we need is universal (private or public) access to medical care, healthy lifestyle incentives, and the elimination of stupid laws that only serve to increase the costs of medical care and prescription drugs to US consumers, restrict free-market access across state and international lines,create incentives toward excess consumption and CYA medical pratices, and only serve to increase the costs of medical care and prescription drugs to US consumers. Tom S. - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance Someone posted earlier that the health insurance industry is not truly run in a free market. It's failure is exactly due to this. Even after all the government rules and regulations, who in the USA does not have access to health care? On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 5:58 PM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote: On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 16:42, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: The free market really does work. We use it daily in our business... Now imagine if we used it for health care, too.We know how to do that, don't we? There is a fundamental difference between broadband Internet and basic medical care, and the fact that tens of millions of Americans have better access to the former than the latter shows that in this instance the free market has failed miserably. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Insurance....
Well, that does explain a lot. Thank you for your honesty. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 10:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 22:21, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: David, Forgive me, this is not a personal attack. I dont see it on your website so I have to ask, you dont own mvn.net do you? The reason I ask is that you come off with an employee mentality rather than from an owner perspective. I'm just curious. Not sure what it has to do with anything, but no, I'm not the owner of that company. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance....
Sure sign of a person losing his argument...personal attacks. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:08 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: What's great about the commercial insurers, is that if you're not happy with how one company is ran, you can move to another. Just like if someone doesn't like Comcast's customer service or Verizon's service options, they can choose me for service. Just think if Qwest was everyone's sole Internet provider. There are no other commercial based first world countries I can move to (rescinding my US citizenship) to free myself of the burden of socialist healthcare. Actually, that is not true. In many markets there is no choice. Further, since most people depend on their employer for insurance they can't change healthcare providers without changing jobs. And, even if they wanted to change healthcare providers they may not be able to because of a preexisting condition e.g. pregnancy. You are what is wrong with the healthcare debate. Get informed or get out. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance....
Agreed. Tort reform will help save healthcare costs and enable more doctors to practice their trade. My doctor just shut down his practice of 20-30 years and let his entire staff go due to the cost of business growing out of control. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 10:11 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance You've got that one wrong. Studies have shown that in states where tort reform was enacted there was no effect on the number of doctors or the cost of healthcare. Specifically to your point, those states with tort reform did NOT see a reduction in malpractice insurance premiums. -Matt Not sure where you got this info Matt. I've seen just the opposite. In Mississippi they had lost most of the OB/GYN docs. They are now getting what they need since they enacted tort reform. The cost of malpractice, jury awards, and defensive medicine are massive. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Liotta Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Insurance On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Mike wrote: The first is to allow people to die with dignity. I saw something on 60 minutes recently where a trauma doctor was talking about how 60% of people spend the last few days of their lives in intensive care at great expense while compassionate medical personnel pull out all stops to prolong their lives. When is enough, enough? I have a living will and will come back to haunt anyone not respecting my wishes. Having watched two relatives die over the course of days being starved to death as part of a humane end of life treatment I understand very well that our current system needs euthanasia reform. The fact that it would save money is even better, but it is not about the money. The second is a big one, tort reform. I don't know exactly how we can get a handle on that one, but the frivolous lawsuits are adding an immense burden to health care costs. OBGYN doctors are leaving the field because they can't afford malpractice insurance. Those who stay are charging ever greater fees in order to cover their premiums. And that is only one branch of medicine. Many others suffer from the same dynamics. You've got that one wrong. Studies have shown that in states where tort reform was enacted there was no effect on the number of doctors or the cost of healthcare. Specifically to your point, those states with tort reform did NOT see a reduction in malpractice insurance premiums. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest
Matt's not in the business anymore? News to me. I thought he was with Rapid or Ring something or another? Not anymore? If true, that really is interesting... Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of rwf Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 8:50 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Insurance thread- Matt and the rest Matt- Please consider taking your insurance debate to another list. When you pop in, you just make the discussion hotter and more active. Some of us are here for wireless discussion, and Matt, although I understand you are no longer actively in the business, the rest of us still are. I even made a filter but you keep slipping through. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
No, what's really amazing is people think the Government pays for these services from a bottomless pot of money. When in fact that pot of money is funded dearly with the blood, sweat and tears from you, me and the rest of the USA citizens. The only positive in all this is Americans are starting to wake up, put their foot down and say no more! Hopefully it isn't too late, but we do have a chance to vote any and all the spending freak incumbents out of office next year. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sylvester Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to them by the FCC for free or low cost. - sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation. - drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the government. - sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in government subsidies per year. - connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural Electric Administration. - use VA health services. - will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire. - call the police and fire department when they need help. - send their kids to public schools. Amazing. Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice
It's irrelevant what they think...what is relevant is how they vote and what they are doing with our tax dollars. FOX was interviewing a congressman the other day forget who he was, but he was a Republican or should I say RINO (Republican In Name Only). The interviewer started pressing him about $400M in recent earmarks slated for his state; what they were for and could he explain why he felt they were necessary. He couldn't and in fact couldn't remember if he even supported or knew they were in the bill. This is a good example of the type of incumbents I'm speaking of that need to be voted out of office. They are spending our tax dollars without a clear understanding as to what they are spending them on. We have to replace guys like this with representatives that will be better stewards of the money we give them. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Bartosch Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 12:00 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice On Dec 13, 2009, at 8:42 PM, Brad Belton wrote: No, what's really amazing is people think the Government pays for these services from a bottomless pot of money. I know it's real popular to say that. However, I've never met anyone who thinks that. Not even the politicians think that way. Chuck When in fact that pot of money is funded dearly with the blood, sweat and tears from you, me and the rest of the USA citizens. The only positive in all this is Americans are starting to wake up, put their foot down and say no more! Hopefully it isn't too late, but we do have a chance to vote any and all the spending freak incumbents out of office next year. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tim Sylvester Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 7:28 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: Broadband stimulus funds won't suffice Yes, I am amazed. Amazed by the bitching and whining about government on this list by people who ... - sell wireless service using spectrum owned by everyone and allocated to them by the FCC for free or low cost. - sell access to the Internet, a network originally funded and developed by DARPA and later funded by the National Science Foundation. - drive on roads funded with taxpayer dollars and maintained by the government. - sell Internet service in rural areas to farmers that receive billions in government subsidies per year. - connect CPE equipment to electrical service that was funded by the Rural Electric Administration. - use VA health services. - will use Medicare and Social Security when they retire. - call the police and fire department when they need help. - send their kids to public schools. Amazing. Tim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity Connect, Inc. 200 Pleasant Grove Road Ithaca, NY 14850 (607) 257-8268 When the stars threw down their spears, and water'd heaven with their tears, Did He smile, His work to see? Did He who made the Lamb make thee? From William Blake's Tiger!, Tiger! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Merry Christmas, everyone.
A, right..Jack is a Democratic not a Democrat. Next we'll be told a Jackass is actually an Arabian. geesh Only real typo I see is the reference to the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2009.shouldn't that read 2010? Merry Christmas! Brad From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jack Unger Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 1:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Merry Christmas, everyone. Typo corrections are inline. Have a peaceful and joyous whatever. Marco Coelho wrote: To All My Democratic Friends: Please accept with no obligation, implied or explicit, my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low-stress, non-addictive, gender-neutral celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasion and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all. I also wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2009, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make America great. Not to imply that America is necessarily greater than any other country nor the only America in the Western Hemisphere. Also, this wish is made without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith or sexual preference of the wishee. To My Republican and Libertarian Friends: Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year! Sorry. I just couldn't pass it up! Merry Christmas! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design, Technical Writing and Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear
I was close to buying a GL550 the other day. Dave Ramsey drives one, so it must be fiscally ok, right? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear A Porsche Cayenne could probably handle it, plus do about 140mph. I almost got a used one last spring, but my wife vetoed it. Had a lot of fun on the take it home overnight test drive though. :^) I'm personally going to wait for the BWM X6s to start showing up on the used market. At my current pace, I should be able to get a 2008 X6 in about, 2020 or so. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Patrick Leary wrote: Personally, I prefer my 4-door Wrangler with my custom roof rack. I can go anywhere, carry the kids and stuff, drop the top, pull my trailer with bikes and camping gear AND carry my kayaks. Try that in a Porsche or Corvette! ...the wireless equivalent? Idunno...maybe an old Freewave 900 MHz hopper? Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 7:25 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Funny But I would say Im very satisfied with my current BMW Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Sorry I saw this on CNN and it made me laugh http://money.cnn.com/2009/12/30/autos/GM_Corvette_recall.cnnw/index.htm Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com dan...@3-db.net -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 7:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear I'd say it'd be more like comparing a Corvette with a Porsche... in the right hands in many cases, a Corvette will beat the Porsche, but the Porsche is 35x more expensive. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 8:01 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Tom ROTFL You can't compare a ubiquiti to a motorola 16e That's like comparing a Yugo with a Porsche Sent from my Motorola Startac... On Dec 29, 2009, at 9:00 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: I will admit, Moto has made a name for itself as a company that is here for the long haul. From that perspective, its always excitign to learn about new Moto products on their way. No problem with the $350 CPE level. But, I'd argue $3500 AP is still way to high, even for 802.16e MIMO. The truth is, we all know the cost to make a MIMO device hardware is not that much more than to make legacy non-MIMO, or I should say, very insignificant compared to the market value of the higher capacity. Its all opportunity mark up. (Sure MIMO takes more processor power, more antennas, etc, but those things are likely obtainable cheaper today than their legacy components were when they were designed). I'd also argue that RF speed/price is similar to Computer CPU speed/ price concepts. 50 mbps today is equivelent in value to what 10mbps was to us 5 years ago. Therefore price points should not exceed the cost of 10mbps 5 years ago, for the WISP to get a break even on the new technology. This is from both the perspective of consumer's demand for higher speeds, as well as technology advancement. I'd pose the same arguements Ubiquiti AP $99. vs Moto AP $3500. Paying 35x more for an AP is a tough call. Dont get me wrong, I've always been in favor of higher cost AP, simply because it discourages putting them up unnecessarilly to create noise, before they are needed, and discourages harry high school kid from calling themselves a WISP with one paycheck from McDs. But I'd argued Moto would need to beat the current Canopy Advantage line AP cost in order to make a big splash in the market. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wimax gear Everytime I see that pricing it makes me cringe... since I've seen Moto give pricing way before a product is
Re: [WISPA] ATT and T-Mobile Complete Network Upgrades
My iPhone is also jailbroken...tethered to a notebook I see 2Mbps+ down, but uploads can vary from 80Kbps-200Kbps up. I use remote desktop while on the road or out in the field throughout DFW and North Texas and both ATT and my old Sprint Data card work very well. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:31 PM To: e...@wisp-router.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ATT and T-Mobile Complete Network Upgrades I'm in a 3G area, and ATT is mediocre at best. I cracked my I-phone so I can run my own apps, then modified their settings to I can use it in tether mode. While it might speed test at around 700k, it browses like a slow 128K. Same results in Dallas, and Manhattan. Marco On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 12:47 PM, e...@wisp-router.com wrote: Talk about inflated numbers on people reached on the 3G networks. T-mobile supposedly upgrading or soon will be in our area to EDGE (currently only getting GPRS). While ATT in our area only supports currently EDGE with no indication of 3G available in near future (my understanding there are currently not even on the road map for 3G in our area) and here they are talking about finishing upgrade to HSPA7.2 and work towards HSPA+ Ohh well. My Blackberry got wifi and supports UMA so don't care that much about 3G or HSPA. Got a 3G wifi AP for when I'm on the road so don't pay hotel wifi rates. Guess faster speeds those times are nice. /Eje --Original Message-- From: Jack Unger Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org To: WISPA General List ReplyTo: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] ATT and T-Mobile Complete Network Upgrades Sent: Jan 6, 2010 11:58 Article - http://www.wirelessweek.com/News/2010/01/Carriers-AT-T-T-Mobile-Network-Upg rades-AT-T-T-Mobile/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Writing - Technical Training Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
That's part of the problem I have with these government handout programs. If you can't qualify for a loan through conventional means then why should the taxpayer be put on the hook? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Travis, But, you and I are grading different topics.. I agree with your point, its questionable whether it was worth accepting the money on those terms. My point was that NTIA/RUS was not discriminating against small providers and giving them equal opportunity to consider that decission. Thats a good thing. I personally would rather get a private loan without the strings, If I can. But thats the whole point of the program isn't it?. If you can get a loan, you have no business applying for the BTOP/BIP program, because part of the requirement is you have to show NEED. IF a bank will lend for the project, for what ever reason, you really dont have NEED do you? Those that truly have need, may not qualify for private lending for the project, and may be more willing to make compromises to get the money. With that said, I have no knowledge of what Aloha's financial position or justification was. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so what? If 3% vs. 6% is a deal breaker, you should probably be finding another business to be in. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True. 2- Small providers dont have a chance to win an award in a big palyers game. A: Not True 3- Awards would be wasteful spending and hand outs to those that dont need it. A: Not True 4- We aren't asking for unjust hand-outs, All we really need is a little help!!! A: A small WISP got some help. I'm VERY impressed that NTIA/RUS extended thier valuable time to consider worthy small applications. The other thing is not all affordable equipment is possible to easilly finance through lease companies. For example, Getting a name brand Canopy on a 1yr-3yr lease aint hard, but its not easy finding leasing companies that will touch OEM style gear (MT, STAROS, type), or all equipment needed, and gets harder finding 5 yr and over. I can give an example of a battery for backup system, Who in their right mind would finance a product that dies over time and has no resale value? A RUS grant can cover ALL expenses relating to infrastructure critical for its operation. It also should be noted that because Aloha got a loan instead of grant he's allowed to use revenues from subscriber to go towards some operating costs to support the network also. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Hi, I have to say I'm not impressed... $106,000 loan could have been gotten with a leasing company, without all the government ties and restrictions. Travis Microserv Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: Aloha Broadband, a WISP in Hawaii that runs 100% StarOS, was one of the first 18 companies to receive broadband stimulus money. Looks like the total scope of the project was also a lot more reasonable than some of the other ones. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jgqG0W8KNsbeVueTYPRDKYHqy8 twD9CLQMJ02 Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem
Only a -61 at 2 miles? What antennas and at what power level? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem I have a 2 mile link with TrangoLink45's. Clear line of sight. The MU transmits at 54Mbps all the time. The RU drops to 12Mbps within about 2 minutes of setting it to 54. This morning we tried 6 or 7 different channels. All had the same RSSI of -61 or -62. All behaved the same way. What else should I be looking for to keep the RU sending at 54? Of course the customer receive side is the one that is slow and this link services about 60% of the customers. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem
Ok, that makes more sense. Do you have a spare link to swap in place? I'm not leaning towards interference if you've tried several different channels all with the same result. It's been a long time since I've used an UL Trango PtP, so maybe someone here a little more fresh with the gear will chime in with more detailed suggestions. What is Trango support suggesting? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:24 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem Auto power adjust is set to -60, I think, so it is right on. Brad Belton wrote: Only a -61 at 2 miles? What antennas and at what power level? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 8:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] TrangoLink45 Link Problem I have a 2 mile link with TrangoLink45's. Clear line of sight. The MU transmits at 54Mbps all the time. The RU drops to 12Mbps within about 2 minutes of setting it to 54. This morning we tried 6 or 7 different channels. All had the same RSSI of -61 or -62. All behaved the same way. What else should I be looking for to keep the RU sending at 54? Of course the customer receive side is the one that is slow and this link services about 60% of the customers. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
I'm not speaking for Travis, but I agree with him. So, in a word, yes, you don't have a right to be in business. You don't have a right to a loan. You don't have a right to put taxpayer money at risk so that you can make a go of your business venture. Instead you do have the right to work hard and put your own money, blood, sweat and tears towards your business venture. You have the right to succeed or fail. That will depend on your abilities to startup, manage and run an effective business. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 1:26 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Travis, Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. So you are telling me that I have no right to be in business? The first 9 years I couldn't qualify for loans. I have been in the Wireless business for 10 years now and doing really well for myself from my perspective, and helping many people. I didn't need a Bank's endorsement to accomplish that, and I did just fine for my customers without them. A false assumption, that Banks are capable of determining who is or isn't a viable business. I'll admit Banks are good at determining whether a company falls within a broad pre-defined profile, and RISK can be estimated by looking at the average tracked for that profile type. But profiling is still a very innacurate way to measure the merits of an individual business, as many businesses dont fit into a profile and should not be measured the same way. This country's method of evaluating credit worthiness is the biggest sham, that I have ever witnessed. If you can't show a profit and make a business work, getting a loan isn't going to fix that problem. That I agree with. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Yes... and to go a step further, if the business doesn't qualify for a bank loan (or leasing, or whatever) then they probably shouldn't be in business in the first place. If you can't show a profit and make a business work, getting a loan isn't going to fix that problem. Travis Microserv Brad Belton wrote: That's part of the problem I have with these government handout programs. If you can't qualify for a loan through conventional means then why should the taxpayer be put on the hook? Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 9:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding Travis, But, you and I are grading different topics.. I agree with your point, its questionable whether it was worth accepting the money on those terms. My point was that NTIA/RUS was not discriminating against small providers and giving them equal opportunity to consider that decission. Thats a good thing. I personally would rather get a private loan without the strings, If I can. But thats the whole point of the program isn't it?. If you can get a loan, you have no business applying for the BTOP/BIP program, because part of the requirement is you have to show NEED. IF a bank will lend for the project, for what ever reason, you really dont have NEED do you? Those that truly have need, may not qualify for private lending for the project, and may be more willing to make compromises to get the money. With that said, I have no knowledge of what Aloha's financial position or justification was. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding I guess we'll wait and see if they think it was worth it 2-3 years from now. If not a leasing company, any bank would have probably loaned $106,000 toward this company if they put EVERYTHING on the line like they did for this loan. Yes, they get a better interest rate, but so what? If 3% vs. 6% is a deal breaker, you should probably be finding another business to be in. Travis Microserv Tom DeReggi wrote: I disagree. Maybe I am not impressed with the award benefit, but I am very impressed with the borrower and the Lendor. What that transaction tells us is 1- Prior to First NOFA release many experts predicted awards smaller than 5 mil would not likely be considered. A: Not True
Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us
Agreed, Patrick. As a business only provider many of our customers that bring in a 10-50-100Mbps or higher microwave connection in from us are doing so to complement their existing fiber connection(s). As time progresses some of those customers end up favoring our microwave connection over their fiber connection. Sometimes it's because we're better peered and have fewer hops or lower latency other times it's simply because we have fewer points of failure and therefore our availability is higher. It all comes back to those three ever important sticking points: Location - Location - Location Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 8:46 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Why the telco's will never be true competitors to us Exactly. The terms wireless and fiber are too broad to make any valid reliability comparison without more specifics. Comparing a licensed point to point microwave system with redundant paths, spatial diversity, standby power, and a tower structure rated to 150 MPH to an aerial fiber strand running through the woods in northeast ice storm territory would lead one to believe that wireless is the more reliable technology. Comparing a 2.4 GHz 802.11 link with grid antennas shooting some trees in icy territory to a SONET ring connecting two metro area datacenters would lead one to believe that fiber is the more reliable technology. Unfortunately, this distinction is not made by the general public, and it makes the sales process for business grade fixed wireless services more difficult. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Bret Clark wrote: Brian Webster wrote: Fiber deployments have been commonplace between telephone switches for years now and I have never heard about reliability issues and/or downtime problems with the fiber. Not that they don't happen but when you average their uptime to their outages, I would think they have some of the better reliability figures over any technology. Sure, because they are running a SONET network and fiber breaks are rather common, but when you have a secondary path then you don't hear about it. Build a wireless infrastructure the same way with redundancy and you'll have the same uptime. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs, so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've done this with our BridgeWave installations. I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
This throwback port design from the Trango Summer Engineer Interns Atlas days is crap. Nothing like the professional look of a galvanized water pipe cap on a carrier class radio. The split rubber gland that is under this metal plate/water pipe cap is poor as well. I'm glad you've been lucky with your results, but inspecting these old style weather proof ports after a period of time always reveals some water and dust penetration. It's a hack design...for all the good Trango does for our industry don't try and defend their short comings. It diminishes your objective credibility. Instead point them out and hopefully Trango will take note on the next generation design. The Apex copper Ethernet ports are far from the best type in the industry. Clearly your exposure to quality weatherized Ethernet ports has been limited. While the Apex copper Ethernet ports are far better than the fiber port they are too small to pass a heavy jacketed, outdoor armored jacket. So, the result is striping back the armored outer jacket and using Coax-Seal from the compression ring to the outer jacket. It seems Trango opted to cater to those that prefer to run small diameter Home Depot CAT5 rather than a higher quality far more durable armored CAT5. Additionally, Trango placed one of the copper Ethernet ports on the side of the radio rather than on the bottom. This can make for a difficult if not impossible connection to service as the cable has to make a sharp 90* turn before hitting the mounting pipe. Hopefully the next generation Apex radios will have better weatherized ports and have all of them placed in accessible locations. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. Not at all the case. Compared to other brand radios, the Apex is one of the few that actually has an easilly accessible Fiber port. Both for replacing bad Transcievers and for connecting the fiber ends. This is a PLUS, not a disadvantage. The Fiber connector ends are designed to clip and adequately hold the Fiber ends in place. Fiber cable does not get damaged by water like a coax jack, and it just does not need the same precautions. If the fiber is NOT in flex conduit, then teh fiber should be tied of within a reasonable distance, which is easy enough. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. Sounds like you are using the wrong type of cable, then The CAT5 pass-thru jacks are of the best type in the industry. I'm glad they decided to use the best. If the Rubber are to thin, you can drill it by freeezing it, and then drilling. But we use direct buriel Superior Essex cable that fits perfectly. (Thicker mohawk wont fit). Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brad Belton b...@belwave.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Fortunately all our Apex installations have had relatively short cable runs, so haven't used the fiber port yet. I agree the execution of this port is poor at best. I really don't care for the copper Ethernet ports either as they do not have a large enough opening for the shielded outdoor cable we run. I would run a short piece of weather tight flex conduit from the radio to a NEMA enclosure and then continue the cable run from that point. We've done this with our BridgeWave installations. I'd still like to see pictures or hear what you ended up doing. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Just put up our first Apex 11Ghz link. Wondering what everyone does to seal up that port. The manual says you have to hook up the fiber / power port to metal conduit. Do you run conduit all the way back to the base? Do you just use a short piece? Do you put a compression fitting on the end? Use flex? Just curious. I used a threaded metal 3/4 sweep 90, then capped it off with a Trango AP compression fitting. It's a little heavy though, and I worry about the little screws that hold the 3/4 threaded base plate getting stripped out. -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ Letting off steam always produces more heat than light. - Neal A. Maxwell WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations
Agreed, the Dell switches we've deployed have been flawless and are a great value. Dell has been very good to us, so I'm a little biased. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 1:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Gigabit Switch Recommendations I love my Dell switches. I almost bought HP units but Dell had a sale on untis with the same features. -RickG On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Scott Vander Dussen sc...@velociter.netwrote: Need to upgrade several 10/100 switches to 10/100/100; I'm looking for recommendations on good reliable equipment. Will need 24 and 48 port units, Rx/Tx port mirroring is a must! Thanks in advance, Scott WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Tom, I give...but only because I just don't have nearly the amount of free time to ramble as you apparently do. We'll just have to agree to disagree. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 4:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Brad, I do not mean to argue against your points just for the sake of it...snip WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
Correct, but flipping the antenna to the other side of the pole is NOT always an option. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port The problem with the connector only shows itself on 2ft antennas. If you are looking at the mount from behind the antenna, mounting the antenna on the right with a 2ft antenna will cause you to have to bend the cable at 90 degrees right up against the mounting plate. Trango's solution for this is to rotate the antenna to the other side of the mast. My default it mounts on the right side, but you can switch it to the left. Larger or smaller antennas are unaffected. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port
I just noticed you mentioned this problem only affects the 2' antennas, but we have seen the same trouble with 3' antennas as well. Again, we don't use the light duty Home Depot type outdoor CAT5, but a much higher quality armor jacketed CAT5. It is not uncommon for us to find a competitor's light duty outdoor CAT5 split open or damaged after a period of time on a commercial roof. Those HVAC and roofing guys can be brutal to cables. It isn't worth it to us to skimp on the cable. Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 7:30 AM To: can...@believewireless.net; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port Correct, but flipping the antenna to the other side of the pole is NOT always an option. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 6:40 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Apex Fiber port The problem with the connector only shows itself on 2ft antennas. If you are looking at the mount from behind the antenna, mounting the antenna on the right with a 2ft antenna will cause you to have to bend the cable at 90 degrees right up against the mounting plate. Trango's solution for this is to rotate the antenna to the other side of the mast. My default it mounts on the right side, but you can switch it to the left. Larger or smaller antennas are unaffected. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FW: [fispa-members] FW: Branch Locations
The Dallas location is no problem for us. Send me Scott's email off list and we'll contact him. Thanks, Brad -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:09 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] FW: [fispa-members] FW: Branch Locations This was posted to the FISPA list. Anyone able to help? Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) _ From: FISPA Members List [mailto:memb...@fispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Huffman Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 3:28 PM To: FISPA Members List Subject: [fispa-members] FW: Branch Locations Hello Fispa Member's. I have a client who wants' me to provide services. Who can provide me service at the following addresses listed below? I'll need fixed IP, RVS dns and 3mb or 6mb svc. Please respond off list. Regards, Scott Huffman Charlotte Internet LLC _ 6680 JONES MILL COURT SUITE F NORCROSS, GA 30092 2500 WILLIAMS PKWY # 50 51 BRAMPTON, ONT CANADA L6S 5M9 1550 CARMEN DRIVE BLDG 7 ELK GROVE VILLAGE, IL 60007 11264 GROOMS ROAD CINCINNATI, OH 45242 3031 QUEBEC SUITE 110 DALLAS, TX 75247 2350 SOUTH WATNEY WAY SUITE G FAIRFIELD, CA 94533 1000 TAYLORS LANE UNIT 3 CINNAMINSON, NJ 08077 4038 N.W. RIVERSIDE DRIVE RIVERSIDE, MO 64150 577 - C HARTFORD TURNPIKE SHREWSBURY, MA 01545 Best regards, Jack Lewis, IT Specialist ACTEGA WIT, Inc 125 Technology Drive Lincolnton, NC 28092 Phone: 800 426-4657 x 227 Fax: 704 732-6333 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
