Re: [WSG] Inheritance question

2004-06-17 Thread Justin French
On 17/06/2004, at 1:11 PM, Tim Yang wrote:
I remember reading about a syntax that when applied to an element 
would force all the elements contained within that element to inherit 
the properties of the container element.

Is there really such a syntax? if so, how do I write it?
I tried googling for it, but all I got were pages describing what 
inheritance was.
You can set a property for all children of a selector with an asterix: 
#something * { ... }; but this could be overridden by another selector 
further down the stylesheet, like #something div { ... }.

I don't know of any way to *force* inheritance, or for something to 
inherit all parent properties... usually inheritance is done one rule 
at a time.

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RE: [WSG] Safety experts advise switching browsers

2004-06-17 Thread Mike Foskett
Hi,

These days I code for Mozilla.
Then iron out the IE incompatibilities.

mike 2k:)2
 


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RE: [WSG] IE4 /Win

2004-06-17 Thread Mike Foskett
Hanni,

IE4 isn't a complete horror story though if you don't support Netscape v4.7 why 
support I.E.?
Personally I supply style sheets to I.E. but not to Netscape 4.7 it's too buggy.
Though I would find it acceptable to not give I.E. a style sheet.

mike 2k:)2
 


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[WSG] WANAU: Web Accessibility Network for Australian Universities

2004-06-17 Thread afdesign
Aussie uni students and staff members may be interested in the Web 
Accessibility Network for Australian Universities (WANAU)

http://www.monash.edu.au/groups/accessibility/
WANAU is open to anyone who works or studies at an Australian university 
and would like to get involved in promoting accessible web design at 
their institution.

They have a mailing list:
http://www.monash.edu.au/groups/accessibility/list.html
WANAU will be holding its first event on July 9 at RMIT. The theme is 
Accessibility of Australian university websites.

Details of the event are available online at
http://www.monash.edu.au/groups/accessibility/events.html
Attendance is free, open to all Australian university staff and students
who are members of WANAU (you can join by subscribing to the mailing list).
You will need to register online by June 23 so that a venue of a 
suitable size can be arranged.

cheers
dez
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Re: [WSG] Safety experts advise switching browsers

2004-06-17 Thread Joe Leech

http://www.itweek.co.uk/News/1155868 :
Ubizen has advised computer users to switch to alternative web 
browsers like Netscape or Mozilla for the moment.

I think the main problem with switching browsers is visible right there 
on the page.  The header breaks in non IE browsers.  If the user is to 
switch browsers then there should be not detrimental effects to the 
experience.  Unfortunately too many sites are *IE only* and look like a 
dogs dinner in anything else. 

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Re: [WSG] Safety experts advise switching browsers

2004-06-17 Thread Kay Smoljak
I guess it depends on the kinds of sites you visit (and perhaps what
you feed your dog) - I come across very few these days that don't look
ok in Firefox. And I don't just visit the sites of web standards
advocates, honest! Even all four of the internet banking applications
I use work fine in Firefox (although Westpac's main side nav doesn't
work, which doesn't prevent me from logging into the banking app).

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:09:56 +0100, Joe Leech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think the main problem with switching browsers is visible right there
 on the page.  The header breaks in non IE browsers.  If the user is to
 switch browsers then there should be not detrimental effects to the
 experience.  Unfortunately too many sites are *IE only* and look like a
 dogs dinner in anything else.
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[WSG] XHTML Transitional - Strict

2004-06-17 Thread Jamie Mason
Title: XHTML Transitional - Strict





Hello all,
I was hoping one of you could tell me, or know any url's that would be helpful on moving from XHTML Transitional to Strict. 

What are the main things to look out for when moving over? What is allowed in Transitional that has to be removed for strict?

Thanks a lot,


Jamie Mason: Design
T: (01423) 700849





Re: [WSG] XHTML Transitional - Strict

2004-06-17 Thread Manuel González Noriega
El jue, 17-06-2004 a las 11:00, Jamie Mason escribió:
 Hello all,
 I was hoping one of you could tell me, or know any url's that would be
 helpful on moving from XHTML Transitional to Strict. 
 

This is quite relevant :)

http://www.7nights.com/asterisk/archives/xhtml_10_strict_not_ready_for_prime_time.php


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Re: [WSG] XHTML Transitional - Strict

2004-06-17 Thread Mark Harwood

Guess the best thing to do would be to change the doctype of one of you current
sites, run it through the 1.0 Strick Validator and then see where you have gone
wrong...

I do almost all my sites in 1.0 STRICK so feel free to look at a few of them

www.phunky.co.uk/2004/
www.phunky.co.uk/2003/
www.zinkmedia.co.uk
http://www.phunky.co.uk/ims/
http://www.southtyneside.info/project_area/healthworks/

Last two are design betas so theres gonna be bugs in them, also the last one im
currently working on today so expect it to change :E

If you need any help on the switch over feel free to email myself of the list and
ill do me best to help!

Mark Harwood
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Re: [WSG] XHTML Transitional - Strict

2004-06-17 Thread t94xr.net.nz webmaster
Title: XHTML Transitional -> Strict



Strict isnt much different from Trrans

no a target="_blank" 
theres a _javascript_ replacement.

other than theres a cuopkle of things but W3C will 
tell you about them.
Simple.

Camz
www.t94xr.net.nz

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  To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' 
  
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  PM
  Subject: [WSG] XHTML Transitional - 
  Strict
  
  Hello all, I was hoping one of you 
  could tell me, or know any url's that would be helpful on moving from XHTML 
  Transitional to Strict. 
  What are the main things to look out for when moving over? 
  What is allowed in Transitional that has to be removed for strict?
  Thanks a lot, 
  Jamie Mason: Design T: (01423) 
  700849 


Re: [WSG] XHTML Transitional - Strict

2004-06-17 Thread Justin French
On 17/06/2004, at 7:00 PM, Jamie Mason wrote:
Hello all,
I was hoping one of you could tell me, or know any url's that would be 
helpful on moving from XHTML Transitional to Strict.

 What are the main things to look out for when moving over? What is 
allowed in Transitional that has to be removed for strict?
Make a copy of your site, change the doctype, and start validating, 
fixing each error as you go, until it's valid strict.  It's really very 
easy to achieve.

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RE: [WSG] Safety experts advise switching browsers

2004-06-17 Thread Nancy Johnson
Most people I believe are unaware that there are multiple browsers.  If
this warning hits the network news, it may raise some awareness among
the average computer user.  

Most people have no idea what web standards are.

Nancy Johnson


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I guess it depends on the kinds of sites you visit (and perhaps what
you feed your dog) - I come across very few these days that don't look
ok in Firefox. And I don't just visit the sites of web standards
advocates, honest! Even all four of the internet banking applications
I use work fine in Firefox (although Westpac's main side nav doesn't
work, which doesn't prevent me from logging into the banking app).

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:09:56 +0100, Joe Leech [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I think the main problem with switching browsers is visible right
there
 on the page.  The header breaks in non IE browsers.  If the user is to
 switch browsers then there should be not detrimental effects to the
 experience.  Unfortunately too many sites are *IE only* and look like
a
 dogs dinner in anything else.
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[WSG] Site check please

2004-06-17 Thread Ian Fenn
Hello,

I need help from more experienced hands. :-/

I viewed http://www.chopstix.com/ from a client's place today and the
right-hand column appeared underneath the middle column. The browser was
Windows IE6.0 and the screen resolution was 1280x1024. I changed the screen
resolution to 1024x768 but no change.

On the other hand, it looks as it should on my machine, which is running
Windows IE6.0 and has a screen resolution of 1024x768.

Any ideas on what may be the cause of the problem?

Many thanks,

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[WSG] Fw: Centering Image

2004-06-17 Thread Maureen Beattie




I have a two column fluid design with header and footer. On one short page
 after closing the #main div I want to center a picture across the page
under
 both the nav and main div.

 On previous pages I have a class clear after the main div and before the
 footer so I placed the image between the two, ie clear and footer with an
id
 of text-align: center. In IE6 the picture and caption are centered but in
 Opera, Mozilla, Firefox and Netscape the photo is sitting to the left and
 the caption is centered. The page can be viewed at

 http://www.users.bigpond.com/mabcg/philosphy.html

 (not the permanent address)

 Any ideas as to the problem would be appreciated.

 Thanks
 Maureen Beattie


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Re: [WSG] Fw: Centering Image

2004-06-17 Thread Mike Rainey
Again, IE does it wrong. text-align:center is only supposed to align text, but IE uses 
it to align everyting the style is set to.

Try adding this to the styles for the div that controls the image:

 width: 650px;
 margin: 0 auto;

That should align it.

 
 From: Maureen Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: 2004/06/17 Thu PM 01:49:07 EDT
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [WSG] Fw: Centering Image
 
 
 
 
 
 I have a two column fluid design with header and footer. On one short page
  after closing the #main div I want to center a picture across the page
 under
  both the nav and main div.
 
  On previous pages I have a class clear after the main div and before the
  footer so I placed the image between the two, ie clear and footer with an
 id
  of text-align: center. In IE6 the picture and caption are centered but in
  Opera, Mozilla, Firefox and Netscape the photo is sitting to the left and
  the caption is centered. The page can be viewed at
 
  http://www.users.bigpond.com/mabcg/philosphy.html
 
  (not the permanent address)
 
  Any ideas as to the problem would be appreciated.
 
  Thanks
  Maureen Beattie
 
 
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Re: [WSG] Site check please

2004-06-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ian Fenn wrote:
I changed the screen resolution to 1024x768 but no change.
 

It's ill advised to design for a particular resolution, especially a 
high one.

Any ideas on what may be the cause of the problem?
 

I haven't looked for a solution yet, but I did find another problem. 
While it looks fine in Firefox 0.9, in IE6 and IE5.5 I got the problem 
you described. In IE5.01 I found additional problems. The right column 
was again at the bottom, the lest column was nowhere to be found, and 
the center was just blank white space above the fold. Bellow the fold 
IE5.01 looked like 5.5  6, except for the missing left column.

Sorry for only offering more problems and no solutions. If I get a 
chance and if no one beats me to it, I'll check later.
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Re: [WSG] Site check please

2004-06-17 Thread Mordechai Peller
Ian Fenn wrote:
I need help from more experienced hands. :-/
I'm not sure I qualify, and I've only been able to give the code a brief 
look, but I think I can at least put you on the right path.

For starters, it's a lot easier to debug code which is properly 
indented. You want to condense it to save bandwidth, fine, but after 
it's debugged. And it's even a 1000 times more important to do so before 
asking someone else to help debug.

In regards to your CSS problems, I'm sure the answer can be found in 
simplicity. Your HTML and CSS are unnecessarily verbose and complex. 
Since your columns are before your center in your source the needed CSS 
can be very simple. For the most part, it's only when you want to put 
your content first that the CSS can get complex.

Your basic CSS can be as bellow; the rest should be easy to figure out.
body {
   background : #cc;
   color : #000;
   text-align : center;
}
#main {
   margin : auto;
  width : 700px;
   background : #fff;
   text-align : left;
}
#l {
   float : left;
   width : 150px;
}
#r {
   float : right;
   width : 150px;
}
#c {
 margin : 0 150px;
}
And your HTML:
body
div id=main
   div id=l/div
   div id=r/div
   div id=c/div
/div
/body
As per your rounded corners, since each box has only two rounded 
corners, you can use the containing div for the lower corner and the 
first child element for the upper corner.

HTH
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Re: [WSG] Site check please

2004-06-17 Thread RC Pierce
 Hmmm... I fixed the above simply by re-ordering the css...

Some days CSS just gets me 

There might be something in that, you know. I'm a novice, myself, and have so much to 
learn,
especially when it comes to the in's and out's of CSS.

Opera seems to be the most dependent on order, or so I thought at first, since 
re-ordering the
styles usually had a good effect. That was until I discovered something really odd. 
Just placing a
'dummy rule' at the top of the style sheet and putting my body styles near the bottom 
cured a whole
heap of problems I was having. Well, this and a couple of 'bug compensators' for IE. 
So much to
learn and so little time...

Sorry I can't offer anything else, but the 'big guns' here on the list have pretty 
much got you
covered. Site looks great from here (IE5.5/6, FF0.8, Opera7.23/WinXP).

Roy


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Re: [WSG] Site check please

2004-06-17 Thread dean burge
i'm not sure if this little nuggest is of relevance in this case for the 
site check, but while on the topic of css specificity...

http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/cascade.html#specificity
/d
RC Pierce wrote:
 Hmmm... I fixed the above simply by re-ordering the css...
Some days CSS just gets me 
There might be something in that, you know. I'm a novice, myself, and have so much to 
learn,
especially when it comes to the in's and out's of CSS.
Opera seems to be the most dependent on order, or so I thought at first, since 
re-ordering the
styles usually had a good effect. That was until I discovered something really odd. 
Just placing a
'dummy rule' at the top of the style sheet and putting my body styles near the bottom 
cured a whole
heap of problems I was having. Well, this and a couple of 'bug compensators' for IE. 
So much to
learn and so little time...
Sorry I can't offer anything else, but the 'big guns' here on the list have pretty 
much got you
covered. Site looks great from here (IE5.5/6, FF0.8, Opera7.23/WinXP).
Roy
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[WSG] Site Check / Improvements

2004-06-17 Thread Sarah Peeke (XERT)
I would appreciate feedback on the following (personal) site (please 
disregard previous posting):

http://www.bureke.com.au/  (temporary address)
The main CSS page is at:
http://www.bureke.com.au/styles/global.css
The site is valid XHTML 1.0 and CSS.
I have checked on WIN IE 5.0 and 6, Safari 1.2.2 (Mac), Netscape 7.1 
(Mac), IE 5.2 (Mac), Opera 7.5 (Mac), Firefox 0.8 (Mac).

A couple of questions:
1.  Is there a work around to prevent the left hand navigation from 
indenting in WIN IE 5.0 (I want to retain the border-bottom, but I 
think this is why the browser shows the links indented) ? I notice 
Eric Meyer's example
( http://css.maxdesign.com.au/listamatic/vertical06.htm also has the 
same quirk in IE 5.0).

2. In IE 5.0 the bottom of #content does not continue to the footer. Any ideas?
3. In both IE 5.0 and 6 there seems to be a padding-left problem with 
the #rightnav - ie too much space to the left. Any ideas?

If someone can also check on WIN IE 5.5 and/or any other WIN browsers ???
Any other suggestions for improvements in layout, style sheet 
formatting, usability etc, would be gratefully received. I would like 
the site to also be more accessible - not a great strength of mine, 
any help here also appreciated.

Thanks,
Sarah
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[WSG] Order of a state (link, visited, etc) styles in a stylesheet

2004-06-17 Thread Nick Lo
This question is not really very easily Googlable so I'm posting it 
here.

I vaguely remember reading that the order in which a state styles 
appeared in a stylesheet was important.

I made a rough memory recall thingy: LoVe HAte (not an acronym but must 
have some official name) to stand for:

a:link
a:visited
a:hover
a:active
So my questions are;
Does the order matter?
If so why and is my order above correct?
Do we need to have all states styled?
By the way if anyone's interested TRouBLe is a good memory recall 
thingy for the Top, Right, Bottom, Left, order of padding, margin, etc, 
attributes.

Thanks,
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Re: [WSG] Order of a state (link, visited, etc) styles in a stylesheet

2004-06-17 Thread russ - maxdesign
 Does the order matter?

Yes! read here:
http://www.westciv.com/style_master/academy/css_tutorial/selectors/p_class_s
electors.html

 If so why and is my order above correct?

Yes, your order was correct


 Do we need to have all states styled?

No you do not need to style all states

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RE: [WSG] Order of a state (link, visited, etc) styles in a stylesheet

2004-06-17 Thread Seona Bellamy
Yes, to the best of my knowledge that is correct: order does matter
(although only in some browsers I think) and that is the correct order. And
I think that if you don't style everything, it takes the value for the last
one in the order (e.g. if you don't style active, it will assume the
properties of hover).

And those memory thingies are called mnemonics. :)

Cheers,

Seona.

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Sent: Friday, 18 June 2004 11:58 AM
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Subject: [WSG] Order of a state (link, visited, etc) styles in a
stylesheet


This question is not really very easily Googlable so I'm posting it 
here.

I vaguely remember reading that the order in which a state styles 
appeared in a stylesheet was important.

I made a rough memory recall thingy: LoVe HAte (not an acronym but must 
have some official name) to stand for:

a:link
a:visited
a:hover
a:active

So my questions are;
Does the order matter?
If so why and is my order above correct?
Do we need to have all states styled?

By the way if anyone's interested TRouBLe is a good memory recall 
thingy for the Top, Right, Bottom, Left, order of padding, margin, etc, 
attributes.

Thanks,

Nick

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[WSG] FireFox 0.9 is out

2004-06-17 Thread Craig Stump
I don't think this has been posted yet - but for those that don't know,
FireFox 0.9 is now officially out.

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/



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Re: [WSG] FireFox 0.9 is out

2004-06-17 Thread Kay Smoljak
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:44:35 +1000, Craig Stump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't think this has been posted yet - but for those that don't know,
 FireFox 0.9 is now officially out.

Make sure you completely uninstall any previous versions first - and
some people are reporting that it doesn't work properly even if they
follow all the instructions. It's running beautifully on my machine
here...

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Re: [WSG] FireFox 0.9 is out

2004-06-17 Thread Rick Faaberg
On 6/17/04 8:24 PM Kay Smoljak [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out:

 On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:44:35 +1000, Craig Stump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't think this has been posted yet - but for those that don't know,
 FireFox 0.9 is now officially out.
 
 Make sure you completely uninstall any previous versions first - and
 some people are reporting that it doesn't work properly even if they
 follow all the instructions. It's running beautifully on my machine
 here...

It's mainly unusable on my Mac 10.3.4.

.8 was better but still had bugs as well, but .9 is far worse.

Caution!

Rick Faaberg

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Re: [WSG] FireFox 0.9 is out

2004-06-17 Thread Peter Asquith
Kay Smoljak wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:44:35 +1000, Craig Stump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

I don't think this has been posted yet - but for those that don't know,
FireFox 0.9 is now officially out.
   

Make sure you completely uninstall any previous versions first - and
some people are reporting that it doesn't work properly even if they
follow all the instructions. It's running beautifully on my machine
here...
 

I've installed it on XP and Win2K with no bother. A mate of mine lost 
his bookmarks during the upgrade but the key seems to be to make sure 
Firefox is shut down before attempting the upgrade.
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RE: [WSG] FireFox 0.9 is out

2004-06-17 Thread Amit Karmakar
Yes uninstall all previous versions and then install the new 0.9 in std mode
and then add on chris' web developer extension. Works fine.

Regards,
Amit Karmakar
www.karmakars.com
 

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 12:44:35 +1000, Craig Stump [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't think this has been posted yet - but for those that don't 
 know, FireFox 0.9 is now officially out.

Make sure you completely uninstall any previous versions first - and some
people are reporting that it doesn't work properly even if they follow all
the instructions. It's running beautifully on my machine here...

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Re: [WSG] FireFox 0.9 is out

2004-06-17 Thread Kay Smoljak
 I've installed it on XP and Win2K with no bother. A mate of mine lost
 his bookmarks during the upgrade but the key seems to be to make sure
 Firefox is shut down before attempting the upgrade.

The release notes actually say you have to uninstall any previous
versions first, as the profile directory and the extensions format has
changed. You can reimport your bookmarks quite easily...

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Thread closed : Re: [WSG] FireFox 0.9 is out

2004-06-17 Thread James Ellis
People,
Discussion of installation of Firefox is for http://www.mozillazine.org, 
rather than here. Discussion of browser support for your pages is fine.

If you'd like to put the Web Developer extension (and similar) up on the 
wsg site resources section then go for it.

Cheers
James
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Re: [WSG] Inheritance question

2004-06-17 Thread Tim Yang
Thanks for the reply Justin.
I must have been mistaken about that forced inheritance thing. Would 
have been nice to have it, though.

Tim
On Thursday, Jun 17, 2004, at 14:33 Asia/Kuala_Lumpur, Justin French 
wrote:

On 17/06/2004, at 1:11 PM, Tim Yang wrote:
I remember reading about a syntax that when applied to an element 
would force all the elements contained within that element to inherit 
the properties of the container element.

Is there really such a syntax? if so, how do I write it?
I tried googling for it, but all I got were pages describing what 
inheritance was.
You can set a property for all children of a selector with an asterix: 
#something * { ... }; but this could be overridden by another selector 
further down the stylesheet, like #something div { ... }.

I don't know of any way to *force* inheritance, or for something to 
inherit all parent properties... usually inheritance is done one 
rule at a time.

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