[WSG] colgroup alignment issue
We have encountered alignment issues
between our target browsers.
The code example below only works within
IE, all other browsers default to standard left alignment.
#datatable col.dt_currency {
/* Use for columns containing currency values only. */
text-align:
right;
}
table id=datatable
colgroup
col class=dt_text
/
col class=dt_number
/
col class=dt_currency
/
/colgroup
Does anyone have a solution, as we don't
want to use...
td class=dt_currency
or col align=right
Also, the code example below sets the
'background-color' but does not set the alignment in Mozilla, Opera, Firefox
Netscape.
.dt_currency {
text-align:
right;
background-color:
#eee;
}
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Michael
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Re[2]: [WSG] Float Problem on IE Mac
Friday, November 12, 2004, 1:46:31 AM, Philippe wrote: But putting it in the same league as NN4 is unfair, to say the least. I meant in terms of numbers, not of ability! -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[2]: [WSG] Float Problem on IE Mac
Friday, November 12, 2004, 12:04:59 AM, Natalie wrote: Normally, I wouldn't care about it, because it works fine in Safari, but the client whom I am developing this for uses IE5 on the mac at work. Yes, the client's browser is the most important of all ;-) Also, their target market may include a lot of non-tech savvy people who have old macs/browsers. I guess you must be in the US. Here in the UK, the Mac was never specially popular. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Float Problem on IE Mac
Actually no, in Australia actually. It's not a matter of popularity, but rather industry-specific quirkiness. Most designers/advertising/media/publishing types use it here. And I'd kill for a nice little powerbox and a g5 for home :) On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:57:54 +, Iain Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friday, November 12, 2004, 12:04:59 AM, Natalie wrote: Normally, I wouldn't care about it, because it works fine in Safari, but the client whom I am developing this for uses IE5 on the mac at work. Yes, the client's browser is the most important of all ;-) Also, their target market may include a lot of non-tech savvy people who have old macs/browsers. I guess you must be in the US. Here in the UK, the Mac was never specially popular. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Re[2]: [WSG] Float Problem on IE Mac
On 11/12/04 12:57 AM Iain Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Here in the UK, the Mac was never specially popular. What's the data that supports that statement? Especially given that the Mac holds the major proportion of designers' platform of choice! (oops - this is off-topic for this list) Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[4]: [WSG] Float Problem on IE Mac
Friday, November 12, 2004, 9:12:15 AM, Rick wrote: What's the data that supports that statement? Sales figures. Market share. Web stats. Globally, the Mac is under 2.5% on web stats. In the UK, our web logs show less than 1% Macs. -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: Re[4]: [WSG] Float Problem on IE Mac
On 11/12/04 1:21 AM Iain Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: Sales figures. Market share. Web stats. Globally, the Mac is under 2.5% on web stats. Gee, I wish *I* owned 2.5% of *any* global market! :-) Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/
you know, that site is good (even though personally i don't like the look)... but i must say... how practical is the technology used given today's market? just a thought. snaps for the guy's effort though. scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Lo Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 7:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/ Smells like Flash but isn't: http://www.scottschiller.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/
From: Scott Villarosa you know, that site is good (even though personally i don't like the look)... but i must say... how practical is the technology used given today's market? just a thought. As it's completely inaccessible when javascript is disabled/unavailable, I'd say the market is indeed very small... Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] FireFox Problem With UL/LI
Ahhh thanks Philippe! Yes! line-height: normal; Fixed it perfectly! Thank you very much! BOOKMARKED! Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: On 12 Nov 2004, at 3:23 pm, Chris Stratford wrote: www.neester.com/beta/ The navigation menu has extra pixels in the margin after: JOURNAL, CALENDAR and UNIVERSITY... does this matches your problem ? http://dev.l-c-n.com/Gecko/moz_spacing.php Philippe ---/--- Philippe Wittenbergh now live : http://emps.l-c-n.com/ code | design | web projects : http://www.l-c-n.com/ IE5 Mac bugs and oddities : http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/
As I understand it the technology is entirely practical. It is XHTML, DHTML and java script driven, IMHO a huge step forward from Flash. If you are in any doubt about this man's dedication have a look at http://www.schillmania.com it is an eyeopener. Giles -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott Villarosa Sent: 12 November 2004 09:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/ you know, that site is good (even though personally i don't like the look)... but i must say... how practical is the technology used given today's market? just a thought. snaps for the guy's effort though. scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Lo Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 7:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/ Smells like Flash but isn't: http://www.scottschiller.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/
Oh -- I see now it DOES work in MSIE 6... I thought it was supposed to crash it? -- Chris Hughes http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/
yeah i think that came out a bit wrong, sorry bout that was more in a funny kinda smirky way like i said dont get me wrong i use some dhtml but in this case i think its a bit over board the site i am working on right now at 430 am had to be done in 3 days since the original web designer did it with a ton of dhtml and when they went to look at it on a safari browser they couldnt even see half of it, so here i am i guess that makes me look down at dhtml a lil bit more -- Original Message -- From: Patrick Lauke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:14:52 - From: Dave Lyons then ur on some SERIOUS crack i mean serious crack no need for that... dhtml will never be flash, never be supported like flash and will never have the ease of use as flash, never have the portability as flash, it cant use remoting (at least in a legal secure way. I'm all for using flash when it's appropriate, but in terms of graceful degradation and accessibility, and obviously depending on the specific application, a bit of conscienciously written and implemented javascript can help add interactive functionality without the need to create a completely separate, non-flash alternative. Admittedly though, both Schiller example sites are just a bit over the top - good proof of concept, but not really to be used for proper commercial sites (and yes, they haven't been coded with graceful degradation in mind at all) Patrick Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/
I'm a Mac/Linux-on-occasion/PC-only-when-I-have-to user so I could be wrong but: !-- SCOTTSCHILLER V4.04: Now with more funk. -- !-- -- !-- This code may contain questionable ECMA- -- !-- script practices. Particularly in terms -- !-- of object-oriented, event-driven, hacked -- !-- recursive animation script. May crash IE -- !-- on win32, so watch out. -- !-- -- !-- scott (scottschiller.com) - 20040612 -- Indicates Win32 which I thought referred to earlier versions of the Windows platform and therefore includes browsers less and less in the majority? Nick yes, true... but i was thinking in terms of browser share, for the developer says in his code-comments that his site crashes IE-based browsers. not something that would appeal to the most of the wider market, eh. s. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/
i assume he's using win32 to describe the platform that win95+ applications run on. scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Lo Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 10:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/ I'm a Mac/Linux-on-occasion/PC-only-when-I-have-to user so I could be wrong but: !-- SCOTTSCHILLER V4.04: Now with more funk. -- !-- -- !-- This code may contain questionable ECMA- -- !-- script practices. Particularly in terms -- !-- of object-oriented, event-driven, hacked -- !-- recursive animation script. May crash IE -- !-- on win32, so watch out. -- !-- -- !-- scott (scottschiller.com) - 20040612 -- Indicates Win32 which I thought referred to earlier versions of the Windows platform and therefore includes browsers less and less in the majority? Nick yes, true... but i was thinking in terms of browser share, for the developer says in his code-comments that his site crashes IE-based browsers. not something that would appeal to the most of the wider market, eh. s. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Title: Message I have Adobe Creative Suite Dreamweaver Homesite Flash -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 November 2004 21:34To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi peoples I'm desperate for screenshots or error-reports frombrowsers other thanExplorer 6, 5.5, 5, 4, OperaandMozilla.. The site: http://www.korsbjerggaard.dk/ny/ Do you haveExplorer 5 for MAC, AOL, Konqueror, Safari, or some other browser(maybe a really oldversion)? Can you help? I hope.. - Morten Ohm Thalund __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: [WSG] RE: digest for wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Title: Message Hmm...wonderful non-sequitur... Oh...I like bread by the way. Patrick -Original Message-From: Laurie Keith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 12 November 2004 12:04To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] RE: digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have Adobe Creative Suite Dreamweaver Homesite Flash -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 November 2004 21:34To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: digest for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi peoples I'm desperate for screenshots or error-reports frombrowsers other thanExplorer 6, 5.5, 5, 4, OperaandMozilla.. The site: http://www.korsbjerggaard.dk/ny/ Do you haveExplorer 5 for MAC, AOL, Konqueror, Safari, or some other browser(maybe a really oldversion)? Can you help? I hope.. - Morten Ohm Thalund__This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: [WSG] Last nights Sydney meeting
Hope I'm # 10,000 :o) sorry, had to do it. On 11/12/2004 7:58:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a good turn-out to Sydney's WSG meeting last night - with over 24 people braving the pounding rain. Scott Parsons did a great presentation on CSS Diagnosis - a detailed breakdown into CSS problem solving and bug hunting Resources will be posted in the near future. Oh, and the WSG is just about to record its 10,000th post to the list (I think this is post 9,999). Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Critique
Hi, If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com I have my own opinions, but I would like to go back to the decision makers with some independent comments from other professionals. Regards, Laurie Keith - Senior Developer __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE6 background image issue
On 12 Nov 2004, at 4:17 pm, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
IE 6 surprises me :/
http://dev.l-c-n.com/_j/head2.html
A solution:
ul {_display:inline-block}
And IE 6 is beaten into submission.
Philippe
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Re: [WSG] Site Critique
If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. My first attempt was a total bust. My main browser (FF) I do't install anything - I use out of the box so that I see what users who don't install see. So no Flash. Instead I got what I continue to be a completly useless msg, especially for a corporate site To view this website, You need to have Flash Player 7 installed on your system. Please briefly visit the Macromedia download page to quickly install the required software before entering our site. Altenatively, we will shortly provide a text only HTML version for users who cannot view active content. So then I switch to IE 6 and waited for it to load. And thought maybe it hadn't all loaded becasue it was a black and white page with text links that started on the about page. I don't think a website should start on an about page, and I see absolutely no reason for a flash site that had no graphics (except for a map that zooms on a scroll). Also there isn't enough text to tell me anything (except on the press page). And I didn't like the little arrow that changed the size, since it was just links and short text why would I need it larger. Sorry, but I thought this was a perfect example of technology for technologies sake. -- Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] 10,000 posts, we have a winner...
russ - maxdesign wrote: OK, we have decided to give the person who did the 10,000th post a prize (thanks to Core member David McDonald for the idea). Re: Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/ By Nick Lo - Fri 12 Nov 2004 at 10:33 PM So, what does Nick win? One free copy of Apache Essentials: Install, Configure, Maintain from Friends of Ed: http://www.friendsofed.com/books/1590593553/ Congratulations to Nick! (Just wondering: what if Nick is an IIS developer? ;-) Jeroen -- vizi fotografie grafisch ontwerp - http://www.vizi.nl/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Critique
I concur with Susan. Why goto the bother of doing it all in flash? Because of the pure lack of content, you could have knocked that whole site out in plain old html in less than an hour... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Susan R. Grossman Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 03:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Critique If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. My first attempt was a total bust. My main browser (FF) I do't install anything - I use out of the box so that I see what users who don't install see. So no Flash. Instead I got what I continue to be a completly useless msg, especially for a corporate site To view this website, You need to have Flash Player 7 installed on your system. Please briefly visit the Macromedia download page to quickly install the required software before entering our site. Altenatively, we will shortly provide a text only HTML version for users who cannot view active content. So then I switch to IE 6 and waited for it to load. And thought maybe it hadn't all loaded becasue it was a black and white page with text links that started on the about page. I don't think a website should start on an about page, and I see absolutely no reason for a flash site that had no graphics (except for a map that zooms on a scroll). Also there isn't enough text to tell me anything (except on the press page). And I didn't like the little arrow that changed the size, since it was just links and short text why would I need it larger. Sorry, but I thought this was a perfect example of technology for technologies sake. -- Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
Well..., Where to start Load time, even on DSL it loads really slow, this site is not intended for modem users at all (still the largest population of internet users) but on the other hand, by looking at your branding work, seems like you don't really cater to small clients, so you may not care. Graphics? - The site looks not complete, I reloaded twice to get a header of sorts, and then realized that there will never be one, and it has no real ' point of entry ' or home page. The design with the little arrow in the top right corner does not really look like something can be used (I mistakenly took it for something to close the window with. The ' portfolio ' of sorts does not have any back buttons after you see the work - the whole navigation is cumbersome to use, and from a usability stand point, where you want to make it as easy as you can on the customer, this is not the answer. Branding - well, seems like you brand customers really well (love the My Equifax one) but you forgot yourself? Am going to stop here, am sure that this is not what you wanted to hear - and it's only my opinion - so take it for what it is - in my opinion this is more like a presentation on a screen like a Flash Power Point presentation. Regards ~Veine At 12:33 PM 11/12/2004 +, you wrote: Hi, If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com I have my own opinions, but I would like to go back to the decision makers with some independent comments from other professionals. Regards, Laurie Keith - Senior Developer Veine K Vikberg http://www.vikberg.net Professional Web Guru
Re: [WSG] IE6 background image issue
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
On 12 Nov 2004, at 4:17 pm, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote:
IE 6 surprises me :/
http://dev.l-c-n.com/_j/head2.html
A solution: ul {_display:inline-block}
And IE 6 is beaten into submission.
- Reading e-mail...
- milking the cows...
- feeding the herd...
- killing an IE/win bug...
all within a couple of hours.
...Why am I not surprised?
(sorry, just couldn't resist. :) )
CSS is fun...
Georg
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Re: [WSG] Site Critique
Laurie Keith wrote: If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com I have my own opinions, but I would like to go back to the decision makers with some independent comments from other professionals. Not much to evaluate. Any page that tells me I need something I can't have is a page I didn't need anyway. See also: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingPoints http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingFontSize -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
Friday, November 12, 2004, 12:33:39 PM, Laurie wrote: If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. It appears not to be a web site: just a container for a slow, bloated, inaccessible flash application, which is dull, hard to use, has poor accessibility and is invisible to search engines. You didn't say what the purpose of the site is, but if it is supposed to make the company look incompetent and drive visitors away, I'd say it's a great success. Needless to say, the HTML fails validation, and in the UK it would be a breach of the Disability Discrimination Act. There may be some better bits, but I didn't stay to look. It's not the worst web site I've seen this year, but it's a contender! -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
On 12 Nov 2004, at 12:33, Laurie Keith wrote: If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. 15 minutes spent so here goes: http://www.createwith.com http://with.shunuk.co.uk It is just a simple mock-up but I wanted to show you the point which Susan, Sam and Veine have made. It truly is that easy to create something like this. Veine made the point that it lacks graphics. Whilst I partially agree, I don't think this is your main concern. The content is really your key here and you should be presenting it in the best way possible. I'm not saying you shouldn't ever use flash, but use it when needs require. Flash shouldn't be needed for a website navigation system or even for text content. Branding is always a corporate issue. The company i work for also chose a minimalist design so don't be frightened of those plain white web-sites they really do work. Our main company web-site and stationary received praise for having courage to accept that minimalist designs can be visually stunning and aesthetically pleasing. title ID=title withtrade; : people who create business effective communication with you nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; nbsp;nbsp; /title This (taken from your source code) needs trimming down, and ID=title removed. To return back to the point about flash. I notice you are loading a lot of external flash anyway. This should be easily integrated into an ordinary page with alternative content available. The maps are a nice touch. Alternative content could be something as simple as a link to the multimap page with the same map. I agree with Susan with regards to the about page being the main entry. Whilst it is handy to offer some information _about_ the company, what is needed is some real content to interest the visitor and give them a general overview of what you really do. Plus, marquespeak doesn't always gel with people. Deliver business effective communication sounds delicious but I had to think thrice to understand it. I'm not saying pretend you're writing for a nursery class but take consideration that not everyone understands it. To go to the extreme, dyslexia is a language difficulty which isn't actually a thick-persons-disease (my esteemed friend is a terrible dyslexic but he has a BA (hons), MA and is now heading off to be political) but appears in many walks of life. In tech-speak what i just said was, don't shullbit a shullbitter. I'd comment more but I'm sure there are others who will offer other tidbits of info. -- Paul Connolley SQL/Systems Programmer Egocentric - http://egocentric.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
Laurie Keith wrote: If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com Opera 7.54 on modem (44kb)... - I would have left after 30 seconds (while downloading) if this had been for real. - Looks like a plain HTML page with nothing much going for it. - Those links disappear outside the left edge of the screen on 640x480, and that's about the size of the entire message. Lynx... - well, I see the title, but that's it. I hope you'll include some link-relations in the page-head, so I can find my way around. And maybe some text to give me a clue...? A touch of accessibility? Source-mode... - no problem. I could see the comments and read all meta text. Not a good solution no matter how I look at it. Need some real re-thinking to make this one work. Georg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] colgroup alignment issue
#datatable col.dt_currency { /* Use for columns containing currency values
only. */
text-align: right;
}
text-align for other then text only works on IE, (which it really
shouldn't - it's not text)
setting your margin-right attribute instead is the way to go. Since I
can't see your actual code, this is a guess as to exactly what you're
looking for. A more complete example would be useful to me if this
isn't your issue,
--
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Re: [WSG] Site Critique
Laurie Keith wrote: Hi, If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com I have my own opinions, but I would like to go back to the decision makers with some independent comments from other professionals. Regards, Laurie Keith - Senior Developer __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** I agree with what has been said before: Why use flash? The site is vary Spartan looking. The site doesn't seem to have much to say. Why make it zoom? While the Flash is loading, you flash a message up on the screen, but it went by so fast I didn't have time to read it. There used to be a rule in the video industry that if you want a viewer to read something on screen, it should be on the screen long enough for you to read it three times. I think a lot of the movie and video industry has gotten away from this rule because I see a lot of things that I barely have time to read once and the trend seems to put writing up for about three seconds and then remove it no matter how long the text is. Anyway, If the message you displayed People who create is important for me to read, I would suggest you leave it on the screen about three times as long as you do. Under the Work menu if I select one of the companies you have listed (which was clear I should do until I read someone else's post about looking at company details), there is a view button at the top. The button doesn't do anything. Should it? Oh, wait, I see that the '' and '' are supposed to be arrows. That wasn't clear. I hope these comments will help, Carl. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 17:22:15 +, Paul Connolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 12 Nov 2004, at 12:33, Laurie Keith wrote: If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com Well, my first question is...why did you use Flash for a plain black and white design? The same thing could have easily been done with plain ole HTML in probably half the time. You have no fancy animations or graphics that really require Flash. There is no reason to use Flash unless you're showing off animation or are doing some sort of product demo where movement and sound would enhance the visual appeal or show someone how something works. Even if Flash is supposedly on over 90% of all browsers, I still would not use it to replace content that is more easily done in XHTML and CSS. Francesco Sanfilippo, Internet Developer --- Blackcoil Productions - http://blackcoil.com URL123 Link Service - http://url123.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] colgroup alignment issue
We have encountered alignment issues between our target browsers.
The code example below only works within IE, all other browsers
default to standard left alignment.
#datatable col.dt_currency { /* Use for columns containing currency
values only. */
text-align: right;
}
Could be wrong here, or just showing my age, but I recall standards in
1999 saying that underscores were forbidden in class and id names. I
suspect things have changed, but at the time Netscape was the only
browser that treated underscored names as invalid. See what happens if
you rename it.
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Re: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/
i wasnt starting saying anything about what you wrote i was mearly commenting on the opinion that the user posted about dhtml being a better technology than flash -- Original Message -- From: Nick Lo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:39:52 +1100 Hi Dave, From my experience Flash v's this/that arguments have been dragged up the hill and down again so many times that most participants could recite them backwards, plus they are likely to send people to their unsubscribe button. The point of my posting this site was not to suggest who needs Flash, nor to suggest that this kind of experimental work should be used by everyone. It was simply as reference to the possibilities of the simple tools that are discussed everyday on this list. As pointed out by the developer in... http://www.schillmania.com/content/opinion/2004/06/27/ the_obligatory_standards_rant ...there is sadly still the misconception that standards = dull. I linked to the site just possibly as a little inspiration to those on the list. Anyway, I have admiration for the time spent pushing this and some of the other projects. I'd be struggling to find the time never mind the creativity involved, so when work like this pops up and there is some deeper thought behind it ...great, it's all useful!! Besides, it's his own little playground and it's experimental, his professional section clearly indicates he knows how to play with the grown-ups. Nick [quote]But will it be as annoying as Flash? [/quote] well if u count not working in your browser as annoying then yes when flash is used correctly its not annoying at all ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] 10,000 posts, we have a winner...
And here's to the addition of a grammar checker ... ;-) Lee Thank you to everyone who has contributed to the 10,000 posts - hears to the next 10,000. Russ and Peter
Re: [WSG] Site Critique
Just to add my 2c to the weight of opinion, I'm on a broadband connection and I had to wait too long. I'm glad I'm not on dial-up. On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:58:32 -0800, Chris Kennon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've not read the entire thread, someone has probably mentioned this. The execution of this site could have been done with (X)HTML/CSS. I love FLASH, and am putting the finishing touches on a MADLIBS XML application/game. When ever considering flash, it is always an ethical question. Not can we, but should we. An application as robust as flash is very seductive, especially when weighing the struggle that is sometimes CSS. Often at midnight when confronted with float issues in MAC IE 5.0, I've heard the siren song of FLASH. So ogle the CSS awards sites, post your questions, and find something hard to bite down on. The more we demand, by use, the proper implementation of standards the more refined another tool becomes. C On Friday, November 12, 2004, at 04:33 AM, Laurie Keith wrote: Hi, If any of you busy people have a spare 15 minutes, can you give me an honest evaluation on our new corporate web site. http://www.createwith.com I have my own opinions, but I would like to go back to the decision makers with some independent comments from other professionals. Regards, Laurie Keith - Senior Developer __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Gmail invites - just ask nicely ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] 10,000 posts, we have a winner...
Jeroen Visser [ vizi ] wrote: russ - maxdesign wrote: OK, we have decided to give the person who did the 10,000th post a prize (thanks to Core member David McDonald for the idea). Re: Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/ By Nick Lo - Fri 12 Nov 2004 at 10:33 PM So, what does Nick win? One free copy of Apache Essentials: Install, Configure, Maintain from Friends of Ed: http://www.friendsofed.com/books/1590593553/ Congratulations to Nick! (Just wondering: what if Nick is an IIS developer? ;-) Well then he can learn a valuable lesson and see the light! Apache is the only way :) Jeroen -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re[2]: [WSG] colgroup alignment issue
Friday, November 12, 2004, 7:23:40 PM, Ben wrote: Could be wrong here, or just showing my age, but I recall standards in 1999 saying that underscores were forbidden in class and id names. I think they were always legal in css as long as they weren't at the beginning of the name. However, I'm fairly sure that there is an issue with underscores in class names in the html Personally, I avoid them, because I'm not sure where the problem is - perhaps your question will flush out the answer that has eluded me for so long! -- Iain ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Underscores and multiple class names (WAS: Re: [WSG] colgroup alignment issue)
Iain Harrison wrote: Friday, November 12, 2004, 7:23:40 PM, Ben wrote: Could be wrong here, or just showing my age, but I recall standards in 1999 saying that underscores were forbidden in class and id names. I think they were always legal in css as long as they weren't at the beginning of the name. However, I'm fairly sure that there is an issue with underscores in class names in the html From the Dec '96 CSS1 spec, under 7.1 Forward-compatible parsing: in CSS1, selectors (element names, classes and IDs) can contain only the characters A-Z, 0-9, and Unicode characters 161-255, plus dash (-); they cannot start with a dash or a digit; they can also contain escaped characters and any Unicode character as a numeric code There's no apparent change to this in the May '98 CSS2 spec. Then, in the Feb '04 CSS2.1 spec, under 4.1.3 Characters and case: In CSS 2.1, identifiers (including element names, classes, and IDs in selectors) can contain only the characters [A-Za-z0-9] and ISO 10646 characters U+00A1 and higher, plus the hyphen (-) and the underscore (_); they cannot start with a digit. Only properties, values, units, pseudo-classes, pseudo-elements, and at-rules may start with a hyphen (-); other identifiers (e.g. element names, classes, or IDs) may not. Identifiers can also contain escaped characters and any ISO 10646 character as a numeric code This change is listed under Appendix C Changes, point 3.3 The underscore is allowed in identifiers. Changed In CSS2, identifiers [...] can contain only the characters [A-Za-z0-9] and ISO 10646 characters 161 and higher, plus the hyphen (-) to: In CSS2, identifiers [...] contain only the characters [A-Za-z0-9] and ISO 10646 characters 161 and higher, plus the hyphen (-) and the underscore (_) Personally, I avoid them, because I'm not sure where the problem is - perhaps your question will flush out the answer that has eluded me for so long! Did some really small superficial test to see which older browsers support underscores in class names: - IE 4 no - IE 5, 5.5 yes - Netscape 4.77 yes (surprisingly) - Netscape 6 no - Netscape 7 yes (obviously this list is far from complete) While I was at it, also tested support for multiple class names (e.g. class=warning notice referring to .warning and .notice simultaneously): - IE 4 no - IE 5, 5.5 yes - Netscape 4.77 no - Netscape 6, 7 yes Patrick H. Lauke _ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Web Standards Eye Candy: http://www.scottschiller.com/
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[WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
You might recall that some time ago I offered the opportunity to starting-designers to have a go at designing a radio station web site. I said there was no money involved but wed try to pay with advertising and promotion etc for the designer. Well heres progress on whats happened. Through my own lack of organisation I was unable to get our end sorted out to brief a designer, so I had to design it all myself. Im still not 100% happy with the way it looks, and Id still welcome input from designers, on the same basis perhaps replace the existing style sheets with a better design from an aesthetic standpoint if anyone wants to do it, but the site is in a whole nother league than the one that preceeded it and which I inherited two years ago. The url is http://hawkradio.org.au and its a fully dynamic site. The server is in the Midwest of the USA, but the site knows the time of day in Windsor, and can show the current programme details and whats on today. Were going to have a lot more information about the shows. When I have finished removing the last few bugs from the content management system, Im going to allow some shows to have their own sub-site so they can post playlists, information, recipes, garden notes, sports scores or whatever is appropriate to their shows, and profiles of the presenters. Theyll all be maintained by the djs themselves without needing input from me, although some will require approval from the programme management before their work goes live. Im adding a news feed from the Sydney Morning Herald in a few days, and a calendar of community events which will be input by the local Rotary, Lions, Chamber of commerce and other community groups. This will be used for input to the whats on around the Hawkesbury page as well as getting more listener involvement. Also to come is a photo gallery pictures of the station out and about around the Hawkesbury, and our happy smiling faces of listeners. Believe it or not there are lots and LOTS of them, and when we go to local events nearly every weekend, we have hundreds of people coming over and telling us they listen and like us better than the big city commercial stations. They say we play more varied material and they get bored with the same 40 songs day after day on the commercial stations. Were working up packages for advertising too. Were restricted by our licence to carrying a maximum of 4 minutes of ads per hour, so we can add value to the ad packages by putting banners, links, spots and other messages on our web site which isnt restricted at all. The sites built to XHTML1.0 transitional, mostly because the WYSIWYG editor doesnt produce valid XHTML strict, and the programme guide page is a long way from valid. But its a tricky bit of code and Im too busy right now to rebuild it. But its on the list. Id love to know what you all think. I think its not too bad for a colour-challenged code monkey Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com .com, .net, .org etc domains start at A$20/year
Re: [WSG] css scrolling
On 11/12/04 9:21 PM Bennie Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: I'm playing around with css scrolling and would like to know if there is a way to stop the scrolling list from resetting to the top of the list in IE 6 or just jumping back up the list in FF. Unrelated, but after clicking and scrolling around and clicking etc. in Safari, eventually the page goes numb - no scrolling, no clicking, no rollovering works. FWIW Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] css scrolling
Rick, Would you check the site again? I removed the css scrolling, hope that was the problem. On 11/13/2004 12:39:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/12/04 9:21 PM Bennie Shepherd sent this out: I'm playing around with css scrolling and would like to know if there is a way to stop the scrolling list from resetting to the top of the list in IE 6 or just jumping back up the list in FF. Unrelated, but after clicking and scrolling around and clicking etc. in Safari, eventually the page goes numb - no scrolling, no clicking, no rollovering works. FWIW Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Hey Michael, Looks great! One thing I would say is that the menu structure may be confusing - maybe not. But whenever the menu drops down - eg: for ABOUT. I didnt think there would or should be differnt links for the two menu items called about... it looks like this: ABOUT ABOUT GEEKY STUFF STATION NEWS The top level about, and the 2nd level About are both different links... Maybe that just confused me. also. is this you? MUSIC FROM FOGGY HOLLOW http://hawkradio.org.au/bluegrass/ with Mike Kear Bluegrass, Newgrass Acoustic Country ?? Michael Kear wrote: You might recall that some time ago I offered the opportunity to starting-designers to have a go at designing a radio station web site. I said there was no money involved but wed try to pay with advertising and promotion etc for the designer. Well heres progress on whats happened. Through my own lack of organisation I was unable to get our end sorted out to brief a designer, so I had to design it all myself. Im still not 100% happy with the way it looks, and Id still welcome input from designers, on the same basis perhaps replace the existing style sheets with a better design from an aesthetic standpoint if anyone wants to do it, but the site is in a whole nother league than the one that preceeded it and which I inherited two years ago. The url is http://hawkradio.org.au http://hawkradio.org.au/ and its a fully dynamic site. The server is in the Midwest of the USA, but the site knows the time of day in Windsor, and can show the current programme details and whats on today. Were going to have a lot more information about the shows. When I have finished removing the last few bugs from the content management system, Im going to allow some shows to have their own sub-site so they can post playlists, information, recipes, garden notes, sports scores or whatever is appropriate to their shows, and profiles of the presenters. Theyll all be maintained by the djs themselves without needing input from me, although some will require approval from the programme management before their work goes live. Im adding a news feed from the Sydney Morning Herald in a few days, and a calendar of community events which will be input by the local Rotary, Lions, Chamber of commerce and other community groups. This will be used for input to the whats on around the Hawkesbury page as well as getting more listener involvement. Also to come is a photo gallery pictures of the station out and about around the Hawkesbury, and our happy smiling faces of listeners. Believe it or not there are lots and LOTS of them, and when we go to local events nearly every weekend, we have hundreds of people coming over and telling us they listen and like us better than the big city commercial stations. They say we play more varied material and they get bored with the same 40 songs day after day on the commercial stations. Were working up packages for advertising too. Were restricted by our licence to carrying a maximum of 4 minutes of ads per hour, so we can add value to the ad packages by putting banners, links, spots and other messages on our web site which isnt restricted at all. The sites built to XHTML1.0 transitional, mostly because the WYSIWYG editor doesnt produce valid XHTML strict, and the programme guide page is a long way from valid. But its a tricky bit of code and Im too busy right now to rebuild it. But its on the list. Id love to know what you all think. I think its not too bad for a colour-challenged code monkey Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com .com, .net, .org etc domains start at A$20/year -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] css scrolling
A side note. There is a lot of redundant CSS code in your stylesheet - especially with the links. Your not using the nature of CSS to its advantage where styles cascade down... Bennie Shepherd wrote: I'm playing around with css scrolling and would like to know if there is a way to stop the scrolling list from resetting to the top of the list in IE 6 or just jumping back up the list in FF. One of the pages is here http://bennieshepherd.com/pop-a-h.htm If you scroll to the bottom of the list and and refresh the page you'll see what I mean. Anyone have a fix? Bennie -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
G'day Chris Thanks for pointing that menu thing out. Somewhere along the line I've changed a setting somewhere because that other 'About' is supposed to say 'About the web site'. And yes, it's me. My show is a specialty bluegrass music show from 2am - dawn every Friday to about 3000 people around Sydney and replayed 10 times a week on the internet station http://bluegrasscountry.org to about 85,000 people a week. (more than 2SM in Sydney at peak time!) Not bad for volunteer run show in a very niche music huh. g That sound you hear is my horn tooting as I blow it. No one else is going to! Cheers Mike Kear p.s. I'm really sorry to the half dozen or so people who volunteered to design the site. You weren't selected, not because you weren't good enough, but because I couldn't get my ducks in a row in time to do it all. My apologies to you all, and thanks for volunteering anyway. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Stratford Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 5:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally! Hey Michael, Looks great! One thing I would say is that the menu structure may be confusing - maybe not. But whenever the menu drops down - eg: for ABOUT. I didnt think there would or should be differnt links for the two menu items called about... it looks like this: ABOUT ABOUT GEEKY STUFF STATION NEWS The top level about, and the 2nd level About are both different links... Maybe that just confused me. also. is this you? MUSIC FROM FOGGY HOLLOW http://hawkradio.org.au/bluegrass/ with Mike Kear Bluegrass, Newgrass Acoustic Country ?? Michael Kear wrote: You might recall that some time ago I offered the opportunity to starting-designers to have a go at designing a radio station web site. I said there was no money involved but we'd try to pay with advertising and promotion etc for the designer. Well here's progress on what's happened. Through my own lack of organisation I was unable to get our end sorted out to brief a designer, so I had to design it all myself. I'm still not 100% happy with the way it looks, and I'd still welcome input from designers, on the same basis - perhaps replace the existing style sheets with a better design from an aesthetic standpoint if anyone wants to do it, but the site is in a whole 'nother league than the one that preceeded it and which I inherited two years ago. The url is http://hawkradio.org.au http://hawkradio.org.au/ and it's a fully dynamic site. The server is in the Midwest of the USA, but the site knows the time of day in Windsor, and can show the current programme details and what's on today. We're going to have a lot more information about the shows. When I have finished removing the last few bugs from the content management system, I'm going to allow some shows to have their own sub-site so they can post playlists, information, recipes, garden notes, sports scores or whatever is appropriate to their shows, and profiles of the presenters. They'll all be maintained by the djs themselves without needing input from me, although some will require approval from the programme management before their work goes live. I'm adding a news feed from the Sydney Morning Herald in a few days, and a calendar of community events which will be input by the local Rotary, Lions, Chamber of commerce and other community groups. This will be used for input to the what's on around the Hawkesbury page as well as getting more listener involvement. Also to come is a photo gallery - pictures of the station out and about around the Hawkesbury, and our happy smiling faces of listeners. Believe it or not there are lots and LOTS of them, and when we go to local events nearly every weekend, we have hundreds of people coming over and telling us they listen and like us better than the big city commercial stations. They say we play more varied material and they get bored with the same 40 songs day after day on the commercial stations. We're working up packages for advertising too. We're restricted by our licence to carrying a maximum of 4 minutes of ads per hour, so we can add value to the ad packages by putting banners, links, spots and other messages on our web site which isn't restricted at all. The site's built to XHTML1.0 transitional, mostly because the WYSIWYG editor doesn't produce valid XHTML strict, and the programme guide page is a long way from valid. But it's a tricky bit of code and I'm too busy right now to rebuild it. But it's on the list. I'd love to know what you all think. I think it's not too bad for a colour-challenged code monkey Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com .com, .net, .org etc domains start at A$20/year -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com
