[WSG] s2m Digital- Mid Weight Designer required!
Company: s2m Digital Job Title: Mid weight Web Designer (3-5 years experience)- leading Publisher! Description: My client is a large magazine publisher with a diverse group of leading titles. The designer will be responsible for creating dynamic, visually compelling and functional website interface as well as advertising designs across their portfolio. They must have the ability to create pixel perfect front-end designs from initial concept to finished Photoshop (or similar) screens. Responsibilities: . Designing usable, accessible interfaces, websites and user experiences for the clients' sites . Working with sales and editorial teams to develop design solutions that deliver business and corporate objectives and fulfill user needs . Assisting with day-to-day promotional materials for website maintenance . Working with technical colleagues to ensure appropriate delivery of design solutions; maximizing accessibility and usability of products and services Essential criteria: . A thorough understanding of web design, its forms, functions and unique constraints is essential . Must have a genuine passion for web design . A working knowledge of the principles of user interaction design and information architecture will be highly regarded as well as experience designing for CSS / .NET . First-rate skills in Photoshop, Image Ready and Illustrator. Familiarity with In Design is an advantage. . Must have a strong portfolio of consumer websites - able to interpret existing magazines online. Understanding of the breadth of brands represented under the masthead, and the design aesthetic necessary for each brand. . Experience designing for mobile, understanding of Flash + action scripting or digital video editing and streaming video for the web will be highly regarded but not essential Cheers Jeremy Champion Talent Broker s2m Digital s2m Executive s2m Sales and Marketing www.s2m.com.au blocked::http://www.s2m.com.au/ Level 7, 280 George Street Sydney NSW 2000 Ph: +61 2 9228 9000 Fax: +61 2 9228 9090 Mobile: 0433 249 725 IF CANDIDATE OVERVIEWS OR RESUMES ARE ATTACHED PLEASE NOTE THAT: By using any information in this document you agree to be bound by the standard terms and conditions of s2m Executive Pty. Ltd. You agree not to employ or arrange employment of candidates supplied in this document without first entering into a contractual agreement with s2m Executive Pty. Ltd. You further agree not to divulge any information contained in this document to any persons or entities without the express written permission of s2m Executive Pty. Ltd. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***image001.gif
Re: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids
Ok i will confess slightly, i think yahoo have pulled on the old heart strings and im sort of falling in love with framwork. I spend alot of time on an CSS channel on IRC, most of us on there are typical We can do anything we don't need help from anyone, and when someone mentions YUI stylesheets we flame to the ends of the earth. Saying that though, the framework does have its uses and it will certainly save me alot of time at the start of a project when it comes to the building blocks. Im going to give them a chance and give it a whirl on a few projects. I doubt i will base everything on it, that takes the challenge and the fun out of the job but i will certainly give it a go. Im still awaiting that link from one of the posters on YUI and the 'PHI' (Golden Mean/Ration/Selection) Cheers On Oct 31, 2007 12:45 PM, Lars Michael Sørensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're using YUI grids at www.dona.dk. I'll never use anything else again, if I can help it! /lmss 2007/10/31, Maarten Stolte [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, We've been using the YUI for a while. We wrote our own variant to support the proportions that our Art Director likes to use, which include the Golden Mean. Can you show any examples of sites using it? I'm wanting to show our front end designer some examples. thanks, Maarten *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] CSS/Accessibility question
Hello, I am pretty new to this group but have been seeing all of the useful emails that have been sent over the past month and thought I would try my luck. I am working on a feature story box. I am trying to develop this using web standards but since this is fairly new to me, I thought that I would email and see if anyone has any suggestions on how to improve. My goal is to make this as accessible as possible to users with disabilities. Note that there is no JavaScript yet, this is just the demo. Once the JavaScript is in place, when the user rolls over the link, the main background image would change as well as the selected state of the link. http://internetworks.ca/james/feature/ Any feedback is welcome, good or bad! Thanks for taking the time to help! James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS/Accessibility question
Hi James, I'd always create a site and content so that it initially works and all the content can be reached using just HTML. It certainly won't look all that pretty but by making sure that everything works fine before you add CSS or JavaScript then you're ensuring that the site will be usable and accessible for any user agents that don't support them. Once this is in place, add CSS to spice up the presentation and then feel free to add any JavaScript to make the functionality and behaviour easier or to add a few dazzles but this shouldn't effect the core functionality of the site. The following article is a really good read and explains the ideas behind this http://accessites.org/site/2007/02/graceful-degradation-progressive-enhancement/ I suspect that you're thinking of using JavaScript to actually display content so you need to ask yourself, how will users on mobile devices of using a text browser read this content? Hope that helps. Dave - - - - - - - - - - http://www.dave-woods.co.uk On 01/11/2007, Likely, James A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I am pretty new to this group but have been seeing all of the useful emails that have been sent over the past month and thought I would try my luck. I am working on a feature story box. I am trying to develop this using web standards but since this is fairly new to me, I thought that I would email and see if anyone has any suggestions on how to improve. My goal is to make this as accessible as possible to users with disabilities. Note that there is no JavaScript yet, this is just the demo. Once the JavaScript is in place, when the user rolls over the link, the main background image would change as well as the selected state of the link. http://internetworks.ca/james/feature/ Any feedback is welcome, good or bad! Thanks for taking the time to help! James *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] s2m Digital- Mid Weight Designer required!
I agree. Pixel perfection is almost always only achievable through the use of absolute positioning, absolute font-sizes, and the like. Those type of things go against many standards and common-best-practices of web design, which needs to inherently be flexible to match the broad number of browsers, resolutions, available fonts, and the like. Ian Chamberlain wrote: Jeremy, is your client really looking for pixel perfection I note you are also looking for a person who is passionate and has a thorough understanding of web design; such a person may have difficulty with pixel perfection. - Original Message - *From:* Jeremy Champion mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* wsg@webstandardsgroup.org mailto:wsg@webstandardsgroup.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:26 AM *Subject:* [WSG] s2m Digital- Mid Weight Designer required! Company: s2m Digital Job Title: Mid weight Web Designer (3-5 years experience)- leading Publisher! Description: My client is a large magazine publisher with a diverse group of leading titles. The designer will be responsible for creating dynamic, visually compelling and functional website interface as well as advertising designs across their portfolio. They must have the ability to create “pixel perfect” front-end designs from initial concept to finished Photoshop (or similar) screens. Responsibilities: • Designing usable, accessible interfaces, websites and user experiences for the clients' sites • Working with sales and editorial teams to develop design solutions that deliver business and corporate objectives and fulfill user needs • Assisting with day-to-day promotional materials for website maintenance • Working with technical colleagues to ensure appropriate delivery of design solutions; maximizing accessibility and usability of products and services Essential criteria: • A thorough understanding of web design, its forms, functions and unique constraints is essential • Must have a genuine passion for web design • A working knowledge of the principles of user interaction design and information architecture will be highly regarded as well as experience designing for CSS / .NET • First-rate skills in Photoshop, Image Ready and Illustrator. Familiarity with In Design is an advantage. • Must have a strong portfolio of consumer websites – able to interpret existing magazines online. Understanding of the breadth of brands represented under the masthead, and the design aesthetic necessary for each brand. • Experience designing for mobile, understanding of Flash + action scripting or digital video editing and streaming video for the web will be highly regarded but not essential Cheers Jeremy Champion Talent Broker s2m Digital s2m Executive s2m Sales and Marketing www.s2m.com.au blocked::http://www.s2m.com.au/ Level 7, 280 George Street Sydney NSW 2000 Ph: +61 2 9228 9000 Fax: +61 2 9228 9090 Mobile: 0433 249 725 IF CANDIDATE OVERVIEWS OR RESUMES ARE ATTACHED PLEASE NOTE THAT: By using any information in this document you agree to be bound by the standard terms and conditions of s2m Executive Pty. Ltd. You agree not to employ or arrange employment of candidates supplied in this document without first entering into a contractual agreement with s2m Executive Pty. Ltd. You further agree not to divulge any information contained in this document to any persons or entities without the express written permission of s2m Executive Pty. Ltd. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Christian Snodgrass Azure Ronin Web Design http://www.arwebdesign.net/ Phone: 859.816.7955 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] CSS help
Dear Group, I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this question is simple. The problem: I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my style sheets. I find I keep just adding to the file until problems in my output display start to develop. They very often become messy and conflict-ridden. My style sheets end up being very long and don't cascade well. The question/advise/thoughts: Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching it up? Any help from an already helpful discussion forum most appreciated. Thanks, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] s2m Digital- Mid Weight Designer required!
Jeremy, is your client really looking for pixel perfection I note you are also looking for a person who is passionate and has a thorough understanding of web design; such a person may have difficulty with pixel perfection. - Original Message - From: Jeremy Champion To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 7:26 AM Subject: [WSG] s2m Digital- Mid Weight Designer required! Company: s2m Digital Job Title: Mid weight Web Designer (3-5 years experience)- leading Publisher! Description: My client is a large magazine publisher with a diverse group of leading titles. The designer will be responsible for creating dynamic, visually compelling and functional website interface as well as advertising designs across their portfolio. They must have the ability to create pixel perfect front-end designs from initial concept to finished Photoshop (or similar) screens. Responsibilities: . Designing usable, accessible interfaces, websites and user experiences for the clients' sites . Working with sales and editorial teams to develop design solutions that deliver business and corporate objectives and fulfill user needs . Assisting with day-to-day promotional materials for website maintenance . Working with technical colleagues to ensure appropriate delivery of design solutions; maximizing accessibility and usability of products and services Essential criteria: . A thorough understanding of web design, its forms, functions and unique constraints is essential . Must have a genuine passion for web design . A working knowledge of the principles of user interaction design and information architecture will be highly regarded as well as experience designing for CSS / .NET . First-rate skills in Photoshop, Image Ready and Illustrator. Familiarity with In Design is an advantage. . Must have a strong portfolio of consumer websites - able to interpret existing magazines online. Understanding of the breadth of brands represented under the masthead, and the design aesthetic necessary for each brand. . Experience designing for mobile, understanding of Flash + action scripting or digital video editing and streaming video for the web will be highly regarded but not essential Cheers Jeremy Champion Talent Broker s2m Digital s2m Executive s2m Sales and Marketing www.s2m.com.au Level 7, 280 George Street Sydney NSW 2000 Ph: +61 2 9228 9000 Fax: +61 2 9228 9090 Mobile: 0433 249 725 IF CANDIDATE OVERVIEWS OR RESUMES ARE ATTACHED PLEASE NOTE THAT: By using any information in this document you agree to be bound by the standard terms and conditions of s2m Executive Pty. Ltd. You agree not to employ or arrange employment of candidates supplied in this document without first entering into a contractual agreement with s2m Executive Pty. Ltd. You further agree not to divulge any information contained in this document to any persons or entities without the express written permission of s2m Executive Pty. Ltd. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** image001.gif
RE: [WSG] CSS help
Rob,
What I do is start off with a default style sheet. (see attached). In
this starting CSS I break it down into different sections. This helps me
out as like you, if I don't plan ahead, it gets pretty messy and
disorganized very quick.
If the project is big then I would use a couple of style sheets. One for
the layout/framework of the site and then one for rest of the styles.
(framework.css and common.css). That way if you have a problem with the
layout of the site you can turn off the other style sheet to see what
the problem is. This would be difficult if you had all of your style in
one file.
Is there a correct way to do this, I don't think so. Depending on who
you ask, every one has a different way or organizing their style sheets.
Here are some articles that might help you out.
http://www.andybudd.com/archives/2003/08/how_i_organize_my_stylesheets/
http://www.digital-web.com/articles/architecting_css/
http://www.mezzoblue.com/css/cribsheet/
I hope this helps.
James
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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 12:35 PM
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Subject: [WSG] CSS help
Dear Group,
I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this
question is simple.
The problem:
I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my
style sheets. I find I keep just adding to the file until problems in
my output display start to develop. They very often become messy and
conflict-ridden. My style sheets end up being very long and don't
cascade well.
The question/advise/thoughts:
Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to
prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching
it up?
Any help from an already helpful discussion forum most appreciated.
Thanks, Rob
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/*-
[client] Screen Stylesheet
version: 1.0
date: 10/12/07
author:[James Likely]
-*/
body {
font-family: verdana, geneva, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size: 100%;
line-height: 1.5em;
padding: 0;
margin: 0;
color: #333;
text-align:center;
}
#container {
width:980px;
text-align:left;
margin-left:auto;
margin-right:auto;
background-color: #ff;
}
/* Common Content Formatting
-*/
a { color:#008eda; outline: none; text-decoration: none; font-weight: normal;}
a:link { color:#008eda; }
a:visited { color: #008eda; }
a:hover, a:focus{ color: #008eda; text-decoration: underline; }
a:active { color: #008eda; }
h1{
}
h2{
}
h3{
}
h4{
}
h5 {
}
p {
}
ul {
}
li {
}
/* Remove padding and margin */
* {
margin: 0;
padding: 0;
border: 0;
}
.clear{
clear:both;
}
.right{
float: right;
}
.left {
float: left;
}
/* Framework
-*/
/* Header Logos
-*/
#logo {
margin: 0 auto;
padding: 20px 0 0 0;
text-align: left;
}
#logo span, #logo a {
display: block;
width: 220px;
height: 45px;
padding: 0;
border-style: none;
background: url(/common/images/mc-logo2.gif) no-repeat;
}
#logo a img {
display: block;
width: 0;
height: 0;
border: none;
}
/* Navigation
-*/
/* Footer
-*/
/* Forms
-*/
/* Tables
-*/
table {
border-spacing: 0;
border-collapse: collapse;
font-size: 12px;
}
td {
text-align: left;
font-weight: normal;
}
Re: [WSG] CSS help
For some time now I have used the below as a foundation. Adding inner classes to the main areas is best. #Nav_inner, #content_inner etc I have tested these in 98 operating system/browser combos and they are rock solid: http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/ Bruce P BKDesign - Original Message - From: Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: [WSG] CSS help Dear Group, I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this question is simple. The problem: I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my style sheets. I find I keep just adding to the file until problems in my output display start to develop. They very often become messy and conflict-ridden. My style sheets end up being very long and don't cascade well. The question/advise/thoughts: Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching it up? Any help from an already helpful discussion forum most appreciated. Thanks, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS help
Rob Enslin wrote: Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching it up? A few: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=MaintainableCss regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS help correction
oops, Adding inner classes to the main areas is best. #Nav_inner, #content_inner etc should be: .nav_inner, .content_inner etc Using the rule to not pad/style a primary layout div. Bruce - Original Message - From: Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [WSG] CSS help For some time now I have used the below as a foundation. Adding inner classes to the main areas is best. #Nav_inner, #content_inner etc I have tested these in 98 operating system/browser combos and they are rock solid: http://blog.html.it/layoutgala/ Bruce P BKDesign - Original Message - From: Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: [WSG] CSS help Dear Group, I'm a relative newby to web design so please excuse me if this question is simple. The problem: I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my style sheets. I find I keep just adding to the file until problems in my output display start to develop. They very often become messy and conflict-ridden. My style sheets end up being very long and don't cascade well. The question/advise/thoughts: Is there a way, a logical procedure or rule which I should adopt to prevent me from going forwards and backwards and constantly patching it up? Any help from an already helpful discussion forum most appreciated. Thanks, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS help
Hello Rob, I don't have (or know how to have) a structured system of building my style sheets. Maybe this will help? A CSS Starter File http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=109 Cheers. Mike Cherim *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS help
@...James, Bruce, Georg and Mike thanks. Plenty reading tonight - this info should get me going. Cheers, Rob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] POSH article question
I don't think it was to imply that b and i are necessarily OK, though they are. The point was this... say you are referring to the title of a book. You can underline it, or you can italicize it... the correct thing to do when italics are available is to italicize it. So you would have done: iThe Call of the Wild/i by Jack London Now a careless standards-nut might come across that and do: emThe Call of the Wild/em by Jack London I'm pretty sure Roger was trying to discourage that sort of behavior. Case in point, Wordpress doesn't offer i or b in the post editor, just em and strong, and yet the buttons for these say i and b! Annoying! -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] POSH article question
On 11/1/07, Tom Livingston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Use the em and strong elements for emphasis, not to make text bold or italic (i.e. do not mindlessly replace i and b with em and strong). Specifically, for example, if I want a few bold words in the middle of a sentence, what then should I use? Are b and i still ok to use? They aren't deprecated? I could have sworn reading a year or 2 ago that b and i were so last year I'm just still a little confused with this statement. I am SLOWLY trying to better my skill set here. Sorry if this is basic stuff to you... The idea is that you should use strong or em if you mean strong or emphasis. If you are writing a book title, the you shouldn't use either, but rather something like a span class=book with your styling of choice. It all comes down to semantic markup. em and strong mean something, b and i only have inferred meaning based on traditional publishing rules and context. --- Daniel Brumbaugh Keeney Devi Web Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] First Ajax problem
I am working on my learning Ajax and just copied an example from http://www.w3schools.com/php/php_ajax_database.asp but I am finding it isn't working. I am trying to think how to debug what I may be doing wrong. I am working in a unix environment. I've never worked with Javascript much (really just copying and pasting existing code) -- Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] POSH article question
Hello Tom, To make it short (I haven't read the article, sorry), strong and em elements should be used to give semantic meaning to your text. This is fundamentally different than making text bold or italic, as these are only two visual ways of showing emphasis. Bold or italic text does not necessarily mean that the author wants to put emphasis on that piece of text (he may simply want to have his entire text bold because it looks better that way), while the strong and em elements do. Naturally, if you do not style the two elements, they appear the same visually as the old i and b tags. People tent to associate strong and em tags with that styling, but there are countless other ways of displaying emphasis (by making the text bigger, or changing the color for example). Hope that answers your question, -- Sébastien Sauvé To try to be better is to be better *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] 508 compliant dashboard
Hi Can you point me to a dashboard that is 508 compliant? We like the user to be able to: --move each individual dashboard within the webpage --minimize and maximize each individual dashboard. --choose which dashboards with the page the user would like. Thanks, Nancy Johnson - Original Message From: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org wsg@webstandardsgroup.org To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 7:24:20 AM Subject: WSG Digest * WEB STANDARDS GROUP MAIL LIST DIGEST * From: Frank Palinkas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 14:29:27 +0200 Subject: RE: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities Hi James, Tony has given you some great advice. If I may add to that, although it may be difficult depending on the circumstance, try to keep a cool head at all times. Your integrity comes first, backed up by your intellectual property. If it may help you in your studies, I can email you several Fast track tutorial project packages regarding the application of web standards and accessibility in various scenarios: Building Accessible Static Navigation with CSS Calling Accessible Context-Sensitive Help with Unobtrusive DOM/JavaScript Creating Accessible Tabular Data Tables Creating Auto-line Numbered Code Blocks These are free-of-charge, so don't worry about any kind of compensation. I write all code and content within the Visual Studio 2005 IDE Source Code Editors, so there's no extraneous code added to the HTML, CSS and DOM/JavaScript of a proprietary nature by a WYSIWYG authoring environment. I'll be presenting these at the next WritersUA Annual conference in March 2008 at Portland, Oregon, USA. Please let me know, and I'll be happy to send them. Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help W3C HTML Working Group (H.T.M.L.W.G.) - Invited Expert M.C.P., M.C.T., M.C.S.E., M.C.D.B.A., A+ Senior Technical Communicator Web Standards Accessibility Designer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Jeffery Sent: Saturday, 20 October, 2007 12:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Web Standards In Colleges and Universities Thanks Toney. Most of the documents we are handed from the tutor are grammatically wrong and contain a huge amount of spelling errors, such as: Place the curser over the table cell click ok when you done Im not sure who is writing them, but again, another issue. I will have a private chat with him, and see what he says. Im all for pushing Web Standards forward, and when i see a college in Birmingham (thats classed as on of the best) teaching outdated methods it makes me angry for both the industry and for the thousands of students. It may not be his fault, your right. James On 10/20/07, Tony Crockford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 20 Oct 2007, at 10:18, James Jeffery wrote: Should i use my essay and examples and take it to the head of the college? I really don't know how to go about this, but its definatly a problem. Who set the syllabus? Assuming it's the college administration, then they are the people to discuss your concerns with. don't assume the tutor is at fault. have a private chat with him, if he truly isn't aware of web standards, then you can tell him that you will be speaking to the college administration about the syllabus being taught and its shortcomings. if he is aware, but is bound by the syllabus, then you may find an ally in your quest. either way, have the private chat, challenging him in front of class, is bound to create a defensive stance from him. if the syllabus is wrong (as it appears to be) work your way through the college administration, explaining that the methods being taught are wrong and using this as support for your case: http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/government it/web guidelines/ consultations.aspx In order to meet European objectives for inclusive e-government and so that the UK public sector meets its obligations with regards to disability legislation, we have proposed that all government websites must meet Level Double-A of the W3C guidelines by December 2008. Government websites are strongly recommended to develop an accessibility policy to aid the planning and procurement of inclusive websites. This includes building a business case, analysing user needs, developing an accessibility test plan and procuring accessible content authoring tools. The guidance covers some of the design solutions to common problems faced by users but is mainly aimed at strategic managers and project managers to assist with planning and procurement. try not to be adversarial, you'll get a better response with a can you explain why we are learning outdated methods approach. hth and good luck...
Re: [WSG] First Ajax problem
Strange to be answering my own post but I have done some more testing. I have verified the PHP page that Ajax calls works correctly by running it separate. I have also verified AJAX works on my browser by running another ajax script. For some reason this script is not being called by the browser. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Michael Horowitz wrote: I am working on my learning Ajax and just copied an example from http://www.w3schools.com/php/php_ajax_database.asp but I am finding it isn't working. I am trying to think how to debug what I may be doing wrong. I am working in a unix environment. I've never worked with Javascript much (really just copying and pasting existing code) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] multilingual website advice
On 11/1/07, Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been asked to work on a multilingual website - including rtl scripts. I've done bits and pieces before, but always other languages in predominantly english websites. Although I see the problems as mainly technical, I'm getting vibes from others in the team about some mysterious 'cultural sensitivities' that we'll have to consider as the audience in this case includes the Islamic community. Perhaps foolishly, I had assumed that a sensibly designed website, free of pr0n ads and political cartoons, would be acceptable in most cultures, but maybe I'm just naive. One issue is color - some colors are taboo in various cultures and you want to know about this if the site is going to be marketed to a global audience. I can't find you many links about this but I did find this one: http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/eai/implementation/archives/internationalization-of-documents-documentation-16608 Another issue is graphics... if you've got any stock images of people like some sites do, you have to think about what certain cultures might think about how people dress. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] multilingual website advice
Andrew, I don't know about cultural sensitivities; best that you start talking to Islamic people and your specific audience as early as possible! I've got a couple of Islamic friends and they've never mentioned any deep-seated resentment of the internet, except a general awareness of how american and anglo it can be. I've worked with Islamic people on some simple community work, and found a huge range of cultural preferences concerning formality of dress and speech, etc. I wouldn't assume anything about cultural preferences without asking first. I can say that creating a controlled vocabularly is important: you'll need to determine the precise mapping between various labels and instructions before you can design and develop a navigation structure and labels on controls etc. Whilst you can source content from different database tables specific to the language, sourcing the labels for controls and navigation may come from a different part of the application. You'll also have to closely control the character encoding and language for both browser display and for search engines. In my experience, multilingual websites involve: sub-directories for images and css for different languages, different records for langauge specific content, look-up tables for cross-language searching, language and geo-targeting for active detection of language preference, a source for navigation and control labels, a multi-lingual data source for error messages, page and character encoding, different time and date formats and the possibility that you have a user from one language group accessing from a computer that appears to be from another language group (so, user control of language and geo-targeting configuration). Cheers Paul Paul Minty Director mintleaf studio We design create stylish websites Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne T. 03 9662 9344 F. 03 9662 9255 M. 0418 307 475 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mintleafstudio.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Harris Sent: Friday, 2 November 2007 10:46 AM To: WSG Subject: [WSG] multilingual website advice Hi all, I've been asked to work on a multilingual website - including rtl scripts. I've done bits and pieces before, but always other languages in predominantly english websites. Although I see the problems as mainly technical, I'm getting vibes from others in the team about some mysterious 'cultural sensitivities' that we'll have to consider as the audience in this case includes the Islamic community. Perhaps foolishly, I had assumed that a sensibly designed website, free of pr0n ads and political cartoons, would be acceptable in most cultures, but maybe I'm just naive. I'm asking for any gems of wisdom - links or first hand advice, mostly technical, but anything that deals with the pitfalls in building arabic websites would be great. (I should point out the obvious one, we will be engaging native speakers and expert editors - not simply relying on babelfish ;-) Thanks in advance. -- Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.woowoowoo.com ~~~ * ~~~ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids
Maarten, We've done a few, often with a couple of mods. www.vssmarthomes.com.au www.nyp.com.au (I think) www.wwwatertrucks.com The smaller the job, the more likely we are to use the YUI Grids as they are. Cheers Paul Paul Minty Director mintleaf studio We design create stylish websites Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne T. 03 9662 9344 F. 03 9662 9255 M. 0418 307 475 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mintleafstudio.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maarten Stolte Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 7:00 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids Hi, We've been using the YUI for a while. We wrote our own variant to support the proportions that our Art Director likes to use, which include the Golden Mean. Can you show any examples of sites using it? I'm wanting to show our front end designer some examples. thanks, Maarten *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids
WSG, 'Universal Principles of Design' states that the Golden Ration is also known as: golden mean; golden number; golden section, golden proportion, divine proportion and sectio aurea. It is an anceint (dating back to the classical greeks) principle of geometry. It may be an early attempt to codify a cognitive phenomenon or a simple tradition. The Fibonacci Sequence can converge to a golden mean. The ratio is 0.618. For a comprehensive discussion of proportions that include the golden mean, see 'Geometry of Design - Studies in Proportion and Composition' by Kimberly Elam (2001). This also presents a case that the general population prefers designs based on some geometric proportions. Another reference is: 'Grids, the structure of graphic design' by Andre Jute (1996). The YUI Grids patterns do not have any great focus on a geometrical proportion. Our Art Director decided that we would have a strong emphasis on classic proportions as part of our house style. Therefore we modified the YUI grids CSS files to change the default proportions to the ones that our Art Director wants to use on a regular basis. This improves our quality and speed on most jobs. It also helps wire-framing as we use a particular proportion to give consistency and attractiveness to our wire-frames. Cheers Paul Paul Minty Director mintleaf studio We design create stylish websites Post: Box 6 108 Flinders Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Level 2 108 Flinders Street Melbourne T. 03 9662 9344 F. 03 9662 9255 M. 0418 307 475 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mintleafstudio.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Laakso Sent: Thursday, 1 November 2007 12:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] PHI and YUI Grids James Jeffery wrote: Hmmm interesting i might take a look at it. I would love to know more about YUI Grids and the 'Golden Mean'. James FWIW, the Golden Mean is a matter of philosophy. I believe the search string you seek is Golden Ratio. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Ajax problem
Thanks I actually found firebug and did resolve my problem. Michael Horowitz Your Computer Consultant http://yourcomputerconsultant.com 561-394-9079 Christian Montoya wrote: On 11/1/07, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange to be answering my own post but I have done some more testing. I have verified the PHP page that Ajax calls works correctly by running it separate. I have also verified AJAX works on my browser by running another ajax script. For some reason this script is not being called by the browser. Firebug lets you debug javascript: http://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1843 usually when an AJAX call isn't happening it's because your JS has an error and it's stopping early. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] First Ajax problem
You may also be running into the same domain policy, On 11/2/07, Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/1/07, Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange to be answering my own post but I have done some more testing. I have verified the PHP page that Ajax calls works correctly by running it separate. I have also verified AJAX works on my browser by running another ajax script. For some reason this script is not being called by the browser. Firebug lets you debug javascript: http://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1843 usually when an AJAX call isn't happening it's because your JS has an error and it's stopping early. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: multilingual website advice
Wow, what can I say? Just three hours ago, I asked a question and have already received three careful, helpful replies, with exactly the sort of information I was seeking! Thank you so much, this list is brilliant! On 11/2/07, Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been asked to work on a multilingual website... -- Andrew Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.woowoowoo.com ~~~ * ~~~ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] multilingual website advice
Added to all the other advice already given, I'd also suggest that web typography be tailored for each language. How some of the tags render may need to be changed from language to language (not just font families, styles, weight, size and leading). Consider how the following tags should render: ol, ul, em, strong, cite. Use of underlining on links may impact on some writing scripts. On Windows many scripts do not have a monospaced font so be careful with styling pre, tt, textarea, input[type=”textarea”], option using bold and italic text can be problematic since not all writing scripts on Windows come with italic, bold or bold italic faces. Most of the hard word is actually in the admin/editorial interfaces, tracking language of articles. Allowing proper typographic and font display in editing environment, correct bidi behaviour in editing environment, buttons or mechanisms for marking up change of language (if you need to comply with WCAG 1.0) the ability to add dir attributes to elements in editing environment, etc. Most CMS editing environments work well in monolingual environments, and may be well internationalised. But if you are adding content in multiple languages and writing scripts through a single editing environment more work may be needed to tweak the editing environment. Andrew C Andrew Harris wrote: Hi all, I've been asked to work on a multilingual website - including rtl scripts. I've done bits and pieces before, but always other languages in predominantly english websites. Although I see the problems as mainly technical, I'm getting vibes from others in the team about some mysterious 'cultural sensitivities' that we'll have to consider as the audience in this case includes the Islamic community. Perhaps foolishly, I had assumed that a sensibly designed website, free of pr0n ads and political cartoons, would be acceptable in most cultures, but maybe I'm just naive. I'm asking for any gems of wisdom - links or first hand advice, mostly technical, but anything that deals with the pitfalls in building arabic websites would be great. (I should point out the obvious one, we will be engaging native speakers and expert editors - not simply relying on babelfish ;-) Thanks in advance. -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator (Vicnet) State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Australia Email: andrewc+AEA-vicnet.net.au Alt. email: lang.support+AEA-gmail.com Ph: +613-8664-7430Fax:+613-9639-2175 Mob: 0421-450-816 http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/http://www.vicnet.net.au/ http://www.openroad.net.au/ http://www.mylanguage.gov.au/ http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
