Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

[Dave Lane]

Hello Susan,

If you're doing a lot of Drupal development, and you don't already have
it, I strongly recommend getting a copy of "Pro Drupal Development" by
John K. VanDyk - the 6.x version of the book is ISBN: 978-1-4302-0989-8
- there's also a previous version focusing on 5.x which is equally
indespensible for learning the "drupal way" of doing things.

Cheers,

Dave

Susan Grossman wrote:
> 
> 
> Our core business is building sites with Drupal.  We focus on XHTML 1.0
> strict compliance and are striving towards full adherence of the New
> Zealand e-government web guidelines which cover accessibility, and
> various other considerations.  We've found Drupal to be remarkably
> pliable with regard to those changes.
> 
> Susan, the approach of altering modules that you described will
> definitely cause you maintenance headaches.  I would encourage you to
> learn as much as possible about Drupal's very sophisticated system of
> both theme and functionality overrides (called "hooks" in the Drupal
> world). 
> 
> 
> ... 
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Dave for the input on hooks, which I have used in a few of the
> modules and they're real effective and I should've mentioned them.
> 
> Unfortunately some of the modules I'm trying to use I find I still have
> to do some changing to.  I guess it's my lack of knowledge, but not all
> modules seem to be equal to me.  I'll take your suggestion and do more
> research and see how I can avoid this entirely, and I haven't done
> anything in multi-site mode. 
> 
> 
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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

[Susan Grossman]

>
>
>
> Our core business is building sites with Drupal.  We focus on XHTML 1.0
> strict compliance and are striving towards full adherence of the New
> Zealand e-government web guidelines which cover accessibility, and
> various other considerations.  We've found Drupal to be remarkably
> pliable with regard to those changes.
>
> Susan, the approach of altering modules that you described will
> definitely cause you maintenance headaches.  I would encourage you to
> learn as much as possible about Drupal's very sophisticated system of
> both theme and functionality overrides (called "hooks" in the Drupal
> world).


... 



> Kind regards,
>
> Dave



Thanks Dave for the input on hooks, which I have used in a few of the
modules and they're real effective and I should've mentioned them.

Unfortunately some of the modules I'm trying to use I find I still have to
do some changing to.  I guess it's my lack of knowledge, but not all modules
seem to be equal to me.  I'll take your suggestion and do more research and
see how I can avoid this entirely, and I haven't done anything in multi-site
mode.


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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[jp29]

I use HTML-Kit which is free Web page Editing/Authoring  facility that provides 
the following features:

*  Multiple File type editing: .html, .xml, .css, .rdf, .php, .js etc.
* Can be used for hand coding ala MS   Notepad
*  Pre-formed constructs, elements  & attributes can be used via drop-down  
menus if desired
*  Split-screen viewing of code generation "on the fly"
*  Previewing of page layout in multi graphical Browsers
*  Selection and use of Doctype headers  (HTML/XHTML/XML)
*  Syntax checking and correction via "Tidy" plug-in "on the fly"
*  Tidy generated "pretty print" code
*  HTML-XHTML Markup conversion
* Online .html & .css document validation "on the fly"
*  Spell checker and Thesaurus
*  Search and replace facility for content management

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Non-commercial interoperable & standards compliant web pages
  
 Nick Tomczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I use Aptana for all of my web development (XHTML/CSS/Rails/PHP). It was
> just purchased by another company, but they do offer a community version for
> free (Pro version for $99). (Link: http://www.aptana.com/studio/). They do
> have a Mac version, although I've never used it, I'm a PC guy, but it's free
> so you can atleast give it a shot as see if you like it.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> >  If you want to save money and have an all round free open source editor
> >> that does CSS, PHP, javascript, and other major languages I would suggest
> >> notepad++.
> >>
> >
> > Ignoring the fact that the OP requested a Mac -- not Windows-only --
> > solution :-)
> >
> > So I'll mention jEdit  -- also free/open source,
> > suitable for just about any developer environment, plus cross-platform
> > (requires a JVM).
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Re: [WSG] Accessibility Transcripts for Audio and Video

[Jennie K]

Thanks John - I'll have a look into it.

Appreciate you taking the time to respond.

Jennie

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:21 PM, John Unsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi Jennie,
> Granted it was at the product launch of CS4 for Adobe, but one of the
> items they promoted was a feature in their sound program "Soundbooth"
> that did just this. It certainly appeared convincing, but as I say, it
> was a promotion night! There didn't seem to be any suggestion that it
> couldn't handle multiple voices, but then again, they didn't
> explicitly say that it could. As a tool, it might provide some heavy
> lifting when doing it the "old fashioned way" and allow you to tidy up
> the results. Also as I understood it, this feature previously existed
> elsewhere, and that Adobe had aquired it.
> Later I spoke with a guy who worked for the Australian Broadcasting
> Service, and he implied that the method you described,  the "old
> fashioned way", was previously all they had.
> For video work I might suggest you might find good info at "Creative
> Cow";  http://forums.creativecow.net/ or even the Adobe website. Not
> surprisingly a quick google search provides some info, and this link
> looked informed.
> http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Making_Video_Accessible
>
> Not exactly your question answered, but hope it might of helped.
> Cheers,
> John Unsworth
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Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[jp29]

 Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am sure most experienced Web authors know this, but some newer ones might 
> > not. A quick and handy way to incrementally zoom and/or change text size 
> > when viewing a web page is via keyboard shortcuts (Windows O/S):
> >
> 
> Could someone please read the body of my email instead of just looking
> at the title and then post a response that is on-topic?

My apologies -- I was remiss.

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Re: [WSG] Email form builder

[Mick Doherty]

www.wufoo.com from memory does ... ?

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Scott Elcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:11 AM, kevin mcmonagle
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Paul Collins wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>  Does anyone know of a free online resource for building a form that
> sends
> >> an email? One that's aimed at people with limited knowledge of
> databases.
> >> I'm trying to locate one for a friend. He'd like to add his own
> customisable
> >> fields too. Most of the ones I am searching for want you to pay for it.
> >>  Would really appreciate any help.
> >
> > If you friend builds sites semi-frequently he might as well just start
> using
> > word press or textpattern. If hes just doing a one off theres probably a
> > good extension or tutorial for dreamweaver.
>
> I agree with Kevin, however if you're friend requires more please feel
> free to contact me offlist.
>
> BOL,
> - Scott.
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Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Christian Montoya wrote:

Could someone please read the body of my email instead of just 
looking at the title and then post a response that is on-topic?


OK :-)

CSS2's 'font-size-adjust' support is limited to Gecko/Fx IIRC, and is
probably put on hold by the W3C CSS group for the time being - to pop
back up in a later CSS version.

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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

[Dave Lane]

Hi Susan,

Yes, some very useful modules are written by people sometimes don't have
a full appreciation of how they can take advantage of Drupal's
capabilities - and fair enough too (I'm sure we did that too, when we
started, and probably still do from time to time)...

Ideally, if you have to tweak a module to make it standards compliant,
etc. then you can create a "diff" (i.e. a patch - instructions on
drupal.org) of the module changes and submit it to the module maintainer
for consideration.  If the Drupal community deems the improvement
valuable, there's little reason to think it won't be wrapped into the
next release.  That way, you don't have to maintain the code yourself,
and you won't have problems with upgrades.

It's cool how open source works.

Cheers,

Dave

Susan Grossman wrote:
> 
> 
> Our core business is building sites with Drupal.  We focus on XHTML 1.0
> strict compliance and are striving towards full adherence of the New
> Zealand e-government web guidelines which cover accessibility, and
> various other considerations.  We've found Drupal to be remarkably
> pliable with regard to those changes.
> 
> Susan, the approach of altering modules that you described will
> definitely cause you maintenance headaches.  I would encourage you to
> learn as much as possible about Drupal's very sophisticated system of
> both theme and functionality overrides (called "hooks" in the Drupal
> world). 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Dave for the input on hooks, which I have used in a few of the
> modules and they're real effective and I should've mentioned them.
> 
> Unfortunately some of the modules I'm trying to use I find I still have
> to do some changing to.  I guess it's my lack of knowledge, but not all
> modules seem to be equal to me.  I'll take your suggestion and do more
> research and see how I can avoid this entirely, and I haven't done
> anything in multi-site mode. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Susan R. Grossman
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Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[Christian Montoya]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am sure most experienced Web authors know this, but some newer ones might 
> not. A quick and handy way to incrementally zoom and/or change text size when 
> viewing a web page is via keyboard shortcuts (Windows O/S):
>

Could someone please read the body of my email instead of just looking
at the title and then post a response that is on-topic?

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Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[Christian Montoya]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:41 PM, David Hucklesby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:36:26 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote:
>>
>> - What's the support across browsers / machines for the font-size-adjust 
>> property?
>> - Is adjusting the aspect value bad form? Is this as bad as letter-spacing 
>> body copy?
>> Would this kill sheep?
>> - Has anyone done this before? Is there an ideal aspect value for screen 
>> display?
>>
>
> Hi Christian,
> I believe that Firefox 3 supports it, but must admit I have not tried
> using it. Interestingly I can't see the property listed in Sitepoint's
> "Ultimate CSS Reference". Hmm.
>
> As for setting up font stacks, I found this article useful:
>
>  
>
> The linked PDF with samples of each type face shown side-by-side
> is a useful resource too, I think.
>

David,

I've been looking at that exact article, actually. It's very helpful.
I guess the biggest dilemma, currently, is that I am to come up with a
consistent vertical rhythm, but with just font-size and line-height
alone, such as:

body {
 font-size:75%;
 line-height: 1.5;
}

it's not enough. The difference in x-height between "small" fonts like
Calibri and "large" fonts like Verdana makes for very different
results. As far as I can tell, even using pixel or point sizes for
fonts doesn't make a difference. And I'm guessing that as far as
browser compatibility goes, there's nothing that does. Is that right?

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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

[Dave Lane]

Hi Susan,

Yes, some very useful modules are written by people sometimes don't have
a full appreciation of how they can take advantage of Drupal's
capabilities - and fair enough too (I'm sure we did that too, when we
started, and probably still do from time to time)...

Ideally, if you have to tweak a module to make it standards compliant,
etc. then you can create a "diff" (i.e. a patch - instructions on
drupal.org) of the module changes and submit it to the module maintainer
for consideration.  If the Drupal community deems the improvement
valuable, there's little reason to think it won't be wrapped into the
next release.  That way, you don't have to maintain the code yourself,
and you won't have problems with upgrades.

It's cool how open source works.

Cheers,

Dave

Susan Grossman wrote:
> 
> 
> Our core business is building sites with Drupal.  We focus on XHTML 1.0
> strict compliance and are striving towards full adherence of the New
> Zealand e-government web guidelines which cover accessibility, and
> various other considerations.  We've found Drupal to be remarkably
> pliable with regard to those changes.
> 
> Susan, the approach of altering modules that you described will
> definitely cause you maintenance headaches.  I would encourage you to
> learn as much as possible about Drupal's very sophisticated system of
> both theme and functionality overrides (called "hooks" in the Drupal
> world). 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks Dave for the input on hooks, which I have used in a few of the
> modules and they're real effective and I should've mentioned them.
> 
> Unfortunately some of the modules I'm trying to use I find I still have
> to do some changing to.  I guess it's my lack of knowledge, but not all
> modules seem to be equal to me.  I'll take your suggestion and do more
> research and see how I can avoid this entirely, and I haven't done
> anything in multi-site mode. 
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[David Hucklesby]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 12:36:26 -0400, Christian Montoya wrote:
>
> - What's the support across browsers / machines for the font-size-adjust 
> property?
> - Is adjusting the aspect value bad form? Is this as bad as letter-spacing 
> body copy?
> Would this kill sheep?
> - Has anyone done this before? Is there an ideal aspect value for screen 
> display?
>

Hi Christian,
I believe that Firefox 3 supports it, but must admit I have not tried
using it. Interestingly I can't see the property listed in Sitepoint's
"Ultimate CSS Reference". Hmm.

As for setting up font stacks, I found this article useful:

 

The linked PDF with samples of each type face shown side-by-side
is a useful resource too, I think.

Cordially,
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Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[jp29]

 Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I am sure most experienced Web authors know this, but some newer ones might 
> > not. A quick and handy way to incrementally zoom and/or change text size 
> > when viewing a web page is via keyboard shortcuts (Windows O/S):
> >
> 
> Could someone please read the body of my email instead of just looking
> at the title and then post a response that is on-topic?

My apologies -- I was remiss.

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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

[Susan Grossman]

>
>
>
> Our core business is building sites with Drupal.  We focus on XHTML 1.0
> strict compliance and are striving towards full adherence of the New
> Zealand e-government web guidelines which cover accessibility, and
> various other considerations.  We've found Drupal to be remarkably
> pliable with regard to those changes.
>
> Susan, the approach of altering modules that you described will
> definitely cause you maintenance headaches.  I would encourage you to
> learn as much as possible about Drupal's very sophisticated system of
> both theme and functionality overrides (called "hooks" in the Drupal
> world).


 



> Kind regards,
>
> Dave



Thanks Dave for the input on hooks, which I have used in a few of the
modules and they're real effective and I should've mentioned them.

Unfortunately some of the modules I'm trying to use I find I still have to
do some changing to.  I guess it's my lack of knowledge, but not all modules
seem to be equal to me.  I'll take your suggestion and do more research and
see how I can avoid this entirely, and I haven't done anything in multi-site
mode.


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Re: [WSG] Accessibility Transcripts for Audio and Video

[Jennie K]

Thanks John - I'll have a look into it.

Appreciate you taking the time to respond.

Jennie

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:21 PM, John Unsworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi Jennie,
> Granted it was at the product launch of CS4 for Adobe, but one of the
> items they promoted was a feature in their sound program "Soundbooth"
> that did just this. It certainly appeared convincing, but as I say, it
> was a promotion night! There didn't seem to be any suggestion that it
> couldn't handle multiple voices, but then again, they didn't
> explicitly say that it could. As a tool, it might provide some heavy
> lifting when doing it the "old fashioned way" and allow you to tidy up
> the results. Also as I understood it, this feature previously existed
> elsewhere, and that Adobe had aquired it.
> Later I spoke with a guy who worked for the Australian Broadcasting
> Service, and he implied that the method you described,  the "old
> fashioned way", was previously all they had.
> For video work I might suggest you might find good info at "Creative
> Cow";  http://forums.creativecow.net/ or even the Adobe website. Not
> surprisingly a quick google search provides some info, and this link
> looked informed.
> http://www.jeroenwijering.com/?item=Making_Video_Accessible
>
> Not exactly your question answered, but hope it might of helped.
> Cheers,
> John Unsworth
>
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Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[Gunlaug Sørtun]

Christian Montoya wrote:

Could someone please read the body of my email instead of just 
looking at the title and then post a response that is on-topic?


OK :-)

CSS2's 'font-size-adjust' support is limited to Gecko/Fx IIRC, and is
probably put on hold by the W3C CSS group for the time being - to pop
back up in a later CSS version.

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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[jp29]

I use HTML-Kit which is free Web page Editing/Authoring  facility that provides 
the following features:

*  Multiple File type editing: .html, .xml, .css, .rdf, .php, .js etc.
* Can be used for hand coding ala MS   Notepad
*  Pre-formed constructs, elements  & attributes can be used via drop-down  
menus if desired
*  Split-screen viewing of code generation "on the fly"
*  Previewing of page layout in multi graphical Browsers
*  Selection and use of Doctype headers  (HTML/XHTML/XML)
*  Syntax checking and correction via "Tidy" plug-in "on the fly"
*  Tidy generated "pretty print" code
*  HTML-XHTML Markup conversion
* Online .html & .css document validation "on the fly"
*  Spell checker and Thesaurus
*  Search and replace facility for content management

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 Nick Tomczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> I use Aptana for all of my web development (XHTML/CSS/Rails/PHP). It was
> just purchased by another company, but they do offer a community version for
> free (Pro version for $99). (Link: http://www.aptana.com/studio/). They do
> have a Mac version, although I've never used it, I'm a PC guy, but it's free
> so you can atleast give it a shot as see if you like it.
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >  If you want to save money and have an all round free open source editor
> >> that does CSS, PHP, javascript, and other major languages I would suggest
> >> notepad++.
> >>
> >
> > Ignoring the fact that the OP requested a Mac -- not Windows-only --
> > solution :-)
> >
> > So I'll mention jEdit  -- also free/open source,
> > suitable for just about any developer environment, plus cross-platform
> > (requires a JVM).
> >
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Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[Christian Montoya]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 6:21 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am sure most experienced Web authors know this, but some newer ones might 
> not. A quick and handy way to incrementally zoom and/or change text size when 
> viewing a web page is via keyboard shortcuts (Windows O/S):
>

Could someone please read the body of my email instead of just looking
at the title and then post a response that is on-topic?

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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

[Dave Lane]

To Susan and Jim,

Our core business is building sites with Drupal.  We focus on XHTML 1.0
strict compliance and are striving towards full adherence of the New
Zealand e-government web guidelines which cover accessibility, and
various other considerations.  We've found Drupal to be remarkably
pliable with regard to those changes.

Susan, the approach of altering modules that you described will
definitely cause you maintenance headaches.  I would encourage you to
learn as much as possible about Drupal's very sophisticated system of
both theme and functionality overrides (called "hooks" in the Drupal
world).

By judicious use of theme and module overrides and by building sites in
"multi-site" mode, you can achieve any sort of markup and form
alterations while simultaneously completely avoiding changes to Drupal
core code or 3rd party modules you might employ.  That makes future
updates of core and modules much much less painful.

Drupal also makes it easy to replace any interface text, either with
Drupal's full-blown internationalisation framework, or by using the
string replacement functionality introduced with Drupal 6.x (see your
settings.php file).

We (Egressive) actually chose Drupal as our core platform because of
it's community's surprisingly high awareness of web standards, and
because of the degree to which Drupal - by design - allows us to tweak
markup and user interface elements to comply with our preferred
standards.  It's an incredibly powerful, versatile system.

Hope that helps you.

Kind regards,

Dave

James O'Neill wrote:
> Susan,
> 
> That give me an idea. I am just starting to learn PHP and Drupal so
> making changes on my own will be fun. I am looking forward to tacking some.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I am currently working on a large Drupal project using lots of
> modules.   I have created my own Theme that is 508 compliant (and
> semantic) that I use to start with - headers, footers, content area
> titles, main site navigation  that is based off the Garland theme.
>No problem there.
> 
> Each module though that I work with I asses the code and then make
> modifications to the base files if necessary to be compliant, and
> most times it is necessary, though sometimes its only a couple of
> little things.   It's not hard to do, but later upgrades are going
> to be a b---  so I document every change hopefully to make it easier
> later on.
> 
> It also depends on what "Ajax" functionality you choose to use, or
> not use.  The more you use, the less compliant it becomes.
> 
> This is all so simplistic, don't know if any of it will help you.
> 
> -- 
> Susan R. Grossman
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[jp29]

I am sure most experienced Web authors know this, but some newer ones might 
not. A quick and handy way to incrementally zoom and/or change text size when 
viewing a web page is via keyboard shortcuts (Windows O/S):

Here is an expanded and updated compilation for zooming and/or changing text 
size via keyboard shortcuts (Windows O/S) when viewing web pages :

When using ]MSIE] .

Zoom out: ctrl + (larger - repeat until desired size is obtained)
Zoom in:  ctrl -  (smaller - repeat until desired size is obtained) 
Return to original size: ctrl 0 (zero)

When using Firefox . same as with MSIE (You can specify "change text size 
only" in Firefox via the top menu bar:  View ---> Zoom ---> Zoom Text only. 
Setting remains until changed. The above keyboard shortcuts will now only 
change the text size leaving the image sizes as original).

When using Safari/Chrome . same as with MSIE except the keyboard shortcuts 
only change the text size leaving the image sizes as original.

When using Opera . same as for Firefox/MSIE except use shift + for Zoom 
out. 

(Quick zooming via a scrolling mouse: ctrl - scroll wheel)

Web developers/authors might want to check pages they are composing to be sure 
navigation is not affected by incremental zooming (visitors will seldom zoom 
more than three increments). In my experience, many visitors (especially those 
with diminished vision) to web pages now increase the text size by one or two 
increments for easier reading especially when very small text is encountered.

James
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 Mathew Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> 
> Just to throw this in the mix -> stop trying to control the font size!
> 
> I dont require reading glasses (yet...), but due to weak eyesight for small 
> fonts and high-resolution screens causing poor font scaling, I choose to 
> increase the size of the default values for some fonts eg: I setup fonts to 
> be 150% of the page's requirements.
> 
> Whatever design you choose, will probably not meet everyones expectations; 
> you can however mitigate most of the problems, by simply not using fixed 
> positioning.
> 
> cheers,
> Mathew Robertson
> 
> > Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello list,
> > 
> > I am currently investigating the disparities between various screen
> > fonts and trying to come up with good font stacks that I can use in
> > Blueprint CSS [1]. I found this page:
> > 
> > http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/pr_font_font-size-adjust.asp
> > 
> > which explains how Verdana and Times, for example, have different
> > aspect values. One of the problems I've had with specifying font
> > families is that the size of text blocks, and the overall look of a
> > page, is greatly affected if the user sees it in a different font from
> > the intended choice, such as Verdana vs. Lucida Grande, because the
> > actual size of the font (beyond just the font-size property) is vastly
> > different. A further problem is that recently common fonts such as the
> > Vista font collection (Calibri, Cambria, etc.) are significantly
> > smaller at the same font-size as the classic Windows fonts (Arial,
> > Verdana, Georgia, Trebuchet). Ultimately the goal is to be able to set
> > up a font stack with fonts that have similar aspect values, letter
> > widths, spacing, etc. so that the difference from one OS or device to
> > the next is minimal, but it seems that I would have to adjust the
> > aspect value with CSS to make that happen.
> > 
> > So here are my questions:
> > 
> > - What's the support across browsers / machines for the
> > font-size-adjust property?
> > - Is adjusting the aspect value bad form? Is this as bad as
> > letter-spacing body copy? Would this kill sheep?
> > - Has anyone done this before? Is there an ideal aspect value for
> > screen display?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > [1] http://blueprintcss.org
> > 
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> > christianmontoya.net
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Nick Tomczek]

I use Aptana for all of my web development (XHTML/CSS/Rails/PHP). It was
just purchased by another company, but they do offer a community version for
free (Pro version for $99). (Link: http://www.aptana.com/studio/). They do
have a Mac version, although I've never used it, I'm a PC guy, but it's free
so you can atleast give it a shot as see if you like it.

Nick

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Hassan Schroeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  If you want to save money and have an all round free open source editor
>> that does CSS, PHP, javascript, and other major languages I would suggest
>> notepad++.
>>
>
> Ignoring the fact that the OP requested a Mac -- not Windows-only --
> solution :-)
>
> So I'll mention jEdit  -- also free/open source,
> suitable for just about any developer environment, plus cross-platform
> (requires a JVM).
>
> --
> Hassan Schroeder - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Webtuitive Design ===  (+1) 408-621-3445   === http://webtuitive.com
>
>  dream.  code.
>
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Re: [WSG] Email form builder

[Mick Doherty]

www.wufoo.com from memory does ... ?

On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 6:13 AM, Scott Elcomb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:11 AM, kevin mcmonagle
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Paul Collins wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>  Does anyone know of a free online resource for building a form that
> sends
> >> an email? One that's aimed at people with limited knowledge of
> databases.
> >> I'm trying to locate one for a friend. He'd like to add his own
> customisable
> >> fields too. Most of the ones I am searching for want you to pay for it.
> >>  Would really appreciate any help.
> >
> > If you friend builds sites semi-frequently he might as well just start
> using
> > word press or textpattern. If hes just doing a one off theres probably a
> > good extension or tutorial for dreamweaver.
>
> I agree with Kevin, however if you're friend requires more please feel
> free to contact me offlist.
>
> BOL,
> - Scott.
>
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Hassan Schroeder]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you want to save money and have an all round free open source editor 
that does CSS, PHP, javascript, and other major languages I would 
suggest notepad++.


Ignoring the fact that the OP requested a Mac -- not Windows-only --
solution :-)

So I'll mention jEdit  -- also free/open source,
suitable for just about any developer environment, plus cross-platform
(requires a JVM).

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Re: [WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[Mathew Robertson]

Just to throw this in the mix -> stop trying to control the font size!

I dont require reading glasses (yet...), but due to weak eyesight for small 
fonts and high-resolution screens causing poor font scaling, I choose to 
increase the size of the default values for some fonts eg: I setup fonts to be 
150% of the page's requirements.

Whatever design you choose, will probably not meet everyones expectations; you 
can however mitigate most of the problems, by simply not using fixed 
positioning.

cheers,
Mathew Robertson

> Christian Montoya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hello list,
> 
> I am currently investigating the disparities between various screen
> fonts and trying to come up with good font stacks that I can use in
> Blueprint CSS [1]. I found this page:
> 
> http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/pr_font_font-size-adjust.asp
> 
> which explains how Verdana and Times, for example, have different
> aspect values. One of the problems I've had with specifying font
> families is that the size of text blocks, and the overall look of a
> page, is greatly affected if the user sees it in a different font from
> the intended choice, such as Verdana vs. Lucida Grande, because the
> actual size of the font (beyond just the font-size property) is vastly
> different. A further problem is that recently common fonts such as the
> Vista font collection (Calibri, Cambria, etc.) are significantly
> smaller at the same font-size as the classic Windows fonts (Arial,
> Verdana, Georgia, Trebuchet). Ultimately the goal is to be able to set
> up a font stack with fonts that have similar aspect values, letter
> widths, spacing, etc. so that the difference from one OS or device to
> the next is minimal, but it seems that I would have to adjust the
> aspect value with CSS to make that happen.
> 
> So here are my questions:
> 
> - What's the support across browsers / machines for the
> font-size-adjust property?
> - Is adjusting the aspect value bad form? Is this as bad as
> letter-spacing body copy? Would this kill sheep?
> - Has anyone done this before? Is there an ideal aspect value for
> screen display?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> [1] http://blueprintcss.org
> 
> -- 
> --
> Christian Montoya
> christianmontoya.net
> 
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[info]

Quoting tee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:



On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:42 AM, Gicela Morales wrote:


Thanks everyone.  I like the idea of TextMate and TextWrangler!

Gicela :-)

2008/10/20 James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have both BBEdit and TextMate.

I use TextMate alot because it's a nice and simple text editor.   
Project creation is easy also, you just drag in project folders.


I like BBEdit when I am doing Java, C/C++ and general programming,   
but depending on the task I will use XCode aswell.


If it's just HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP/Python/Ruby then I'd go   
with TextMate: http://macromates.com/


If you want to save money and have an all round free open source  
editor that does CSS, PHP, javascript, and other major languages I  
would suggest notepad++.


Been using it since it was first available and haven't looked at  
anything else. Mind you, apart from Flash * GIMP, I use notepad++ for  
all my web design.


Regards,
Dennis @ eyemaxstudios.net



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Re: [WSG] re: Semantic use of rel and rev in anchors

[Susan Grossman]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Susan Grossman wrote:
>
>  Since there are no "standard" values for rel
>>
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/types.html#h-6.12 are the standard link
> types for REL and REV. They are open to use with other values, as specified
> by a scheme specified by a PROFILE link on HEAD (not that PROFILE has seen
> much adoption).
>
> --
> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>



Thanks - I'd forgotten about the profile.  Should've taken the time to look
it up and appreciate the correction.   Think I at least got right the usage
of rel and rev though   :>)

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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[tee]

On Oct 20, 2008, at 3:42 AM, Gicela Morales wrote:


Thanks everyone.  I like the idea of TextMate and TextWrangler!

Gicela :-)

2008/10/20 James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have both BBEdit and TextMate.

I use TextMate alot because it's a nice and simple text editor.  
Project creation is easy also, you just drag in project folders.


I like BBEdit when I am doing Java, C/C++ and general programming,  
but depending on the task I will use XCode aswell.


If it's just HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP/Python/Ruby then I'd go with  
TextMate: http://macromates.com/



I use Textmate, CSSEdit and Coda, all are good, are have something  
other lack. I wish only there is a tool that have the three so that I  
can save a bit of money and use one tool instead of three.


tee


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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

[James O'Neill]

Susan,
That give me an idea. I am just starting to learn PHP and Drupal so making
changes on my own will be fun. I am looking forward to tacking some.

Thanks,

Jim




I am currently working on a large Drupal project using lots of modules.   I
> have created my own Theme that is 508 compliant (and semantic) that I use to
> start with - headers, footers, content area titles, main site navigation
> that is based off the Garland theme.No problem there.
>
> Each module though that I work with I asses the code and then make
> modifications to the base files if necessary to be compliant, and most times
> it is necessary, though sometimes its only a couple of little things.   It's
> not hard to do, but later upgrades are going to be a b---  so I document
> every change hopefully to make it easier later on.
>
> It also depends on what "Ajax" functionality you choose to use, or not
> use.  The more you use, the less compliant it becomes.
>
> This is all so simplistic, don't know if any of it will help you.
>
> --
> Susan R. Grossman
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [WSG] Email form builder

[Scott Elcomb]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:11 AM, kevin mcmonagle
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Paul Collins wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>  Does anyone know of a free online resource for building a form that sends
>> an email? One that's aimed at people with limited knowledge of databases.
>> I'm trying to locate one for a friend. He'd like to add his own customisable
>> fields too. Most of the ones I am searching for want you to pay for it.
>>  Would really appreciate any help.
>
> If you friend builds sites semi-frequently he might as well just start using
> word press or textpattern. If hes just doing a one off theres probably a
> good extension or tutorial for dreamweaver.

I agree with Kevin, however if you're friend requires more please feel
free to contact me offlist.

BOL,
- Scott.


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Re: [WSG] re: Semantic use of rel and rev in anchors

[Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]

Susan Grossman wrote:


Since there are no "standard" values for rel


http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/types.html#h-6.12 are the standard link 
types for REL and REV. They are open to use with other values, as 
specified by a scheme specified by a PROFILE link on HEAD (not that 
PROFILE has seen much adoption).


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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Prisca schmarsow]

Nick,

yes, CSS Edit is fantastic ;)  for my students, entirely new to webdesign as
well as coding (I am teaching webdesign, the web standard's way - and full
on handcoding) - CSS Edit is proving a great help :)

The fact that we can go and not only take a closer look at any given site's
CSS - but also override it and edit it does make learning CSS easier :)

Prisca



On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Nick Tomczek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Prisca,
>
> I have a graphic designer that swears by CSS Edit for all of his CSS
> modifications.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Gregory Alan Gross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
>> Prisca--
>>
>> Like Gicela, I too am new to Macs.  I'm using Smultron and like it a great
>> deal.  How does it compare with CSS Edit and Coda?
>>
>> .greg
>>
>> "These are the days of miracle and wonder."
>>
>> On Mon 20/10/08 03:00 , "Prisca schmarsow" [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>
>> Gicela,
>>
>> yes - CSS Edit is fantastic :)  you'll love it :-)
>> My other favourite is Coda  - http://www.panic.com/coda/
>>
>> you might also like to try Smultron which is open source:
>> http://tuppis.com/smultron/
>>
>> happy coding ;)
>> Prisca
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gicela Morales <
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>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about
>>> the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
>>>
>>> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the
>>> 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Gicela
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Prisca schmarsow]

Greg,

how do they compare... that really depends on what you need your code editor
to do ;)

You've got to give Smultron credit for being such a good editor, syntax
highlighting etc - and being open source. So as an editor - if this is all
you need - it's perfect.

If, like me, you work a number of different projects at the same time and
need the ability to upload any new code edits immediately - then Coda does
the job all in one. I have to admit - I LOVE CODA :) :)  Part of its appeal
is the lovely interface (http://screencast.com/t/bfsC1VSEbC) as well as the
access to your remote directory.
It's main advantage over Smultron is that you can upload your files - so it
basically combines the code editor with the FTP program which is my view is
a winning point :)

CSS Edit is merely a great CSS code editor - with added functions such as
the XRay which allows you to highlight a HTML element and access its CSS
directly via the inspector window. I use it to teach my webstudents - it
does make getting your head around the code structure easier :)  I wrote a
little intro tutorial recently; have a look for more info:
http://graphiceyedea.co.uk/wp/css-edit-a-coders-joy/

Hope this gives you an idea :-)
Prisca



On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Gregory Alan Gross
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> Prisca--
>
> Like Gicela, I too am new to Macs.  I'm using Smultron and like it a great
> deal.  How does it compare with CSS Edit and Coda?
>
> .greg
>
> "These are the days of miracle and wonder."
>
> On Mon 20/10/08 03:00 , "Prisca schmarsow" [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> Gicela,
>
> yes - CSS Edit is fantastic :)  you'll love it :-)
> My other favourite is Coda  - http://www.panic.com/coda/
>
> you might also like to try Smultron which is open source:
> http://tuppis.com/smultron/
>
> happy coding ;)
> Prisca
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gicela Morales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about
>> the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
>>
>> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the
>> 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Gicela
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[WSG] CSS font-size-adjust

[Christian Montoya]

Hello list,

I am currently investigating the disparities between various screen
fonts and trying to come up with good font stacks that I can use in
Blueprint CSS [1]. I found this page:

http://www.w3schools.com/CSS/pr_font_font-size-adjust.asp

which explains how Verdana and Times, for example, have different
aspect values. One of the problems I've had with specifying font
families is that the size of text blocks, and the overall look of a
page, is greatly affected if the user sees it in a different font from
the intended choice, such as Verdana vs. Lucida Grande, because the
actual size of the font (beyond just the font-size property) is vastly
different. A further problem is that recently common fonts such as the
Vista font collection (Calibri, Cambria, etc.) are significantly
smaller at the same font-size as the classic Windows fonts (Arial,
Verdana, Georgia, Trebuchet). Ultimately the goal is to be able to set
up a font stack with fonts that have similar aspect values, letter
widths, spacing, etc. so that the difference from one OS or device to
the next is minimal, but it seems that I would have to adjust the
aspect value with CSS to make that happen.

So here are my questions:

- What's the support across browsers / machines for the
font-size-adjust property?
- Is adjusting the aspect value bad form? Is this as bad as
letter-spacing body copy? Would this kill sheep?
- Has anyone done this before? Is there an ideal aspect value for
screen display?

Thanks in advance.

[1] http://blueprintcss.org

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Re: [WSG] re: Semantic use of rel and rev in anchors

[Susan Grossman]

> Could someone tell me if the following use of rel and rev are semantically
> accurate?
>
>
>
> T&Cs
>
> ...
>
>  ... 
>
>
>
>
>
> T&Cs
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm currently developing a pop-up method specifically for Terms &
> Conditions.
>
> One where the T&Cs are in a div at the bottom of the page and a second
> where an Ajax call fetches the external content.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks for reading
>
>
>
> Mike Foskett
>
> http://webSemantics.co.uk/
>

Since there are no "standard" values for rel, I think that microformats have
been using this for licensing, and probably others.  It's the relationship
of the link, and if the link is a type of appendix, then semantically I
don't see anything wrong with your use, though I would add a title tag
stating the link was going to open a pop-up, if that's the case.

rev is also a relationship, but not of the linked item, the other way
around.  If I was on a table of measurments and there was a link back to the
recipe, the link would have a rev defining that the measurments do you're on
is a dictionary for the recipe.  So I don't think your use of rev is
correct, or semantic.  If you were on the T&C and had a link to the home
page, this link could have a rev.

at least that's the way I understand it.


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Re: [WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

[Susan Grossman]

>
> I am in the process of working with a developer on a Drupal project and I
> was wondering if there was any Standards Compliant and/or Semantically
> Correct widgets for Drupal out there... specifically for dropdown navigation
> (which is a primary concern of mine) or other things...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
I am currently working on a large Drupal project using lots of modules.   I
have created my own Theme that is 508 compliant (and semantic) that I use to
start with - headers, footers, content area titles, main site navigation
that is based off the Garland theme.No problem there.

Each module though that I work with I asses the code and then make
modifications to the base files if necessary to be compliant, and most times
it is necessary, though sometimes its only a couple of little things.   It's
not hard to do, but later upgrades are going to be a b---  so I document
every change hopefully to make it easier later on.

It also depends on what "Ajax" functionality you choose to use, or not use.
The more you use, the less compliant it becomes.

This is all so simplistic, don't know if any of it will help you.

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Re: [WSG] re: Semantic use of rel and rev in anchors

[Patrick H. Lauke]

Sorry, resending this, as I don't think my gmail account is signed up
to the list. (if it posted anyway, apologies for the doubler)

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Patrick H. Lauke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Foskett, Mike
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Could someone tell me if the following use of rel and rev are semantically 
>> accurate?
>
> Not quite sure I follow from your code, but to voice it out:
>
>> T&Cs
>
> Roughly, this says: "the current page is the appendix of the place I'm
> linking to"
>
>> T&Cs
>
> "The place I'm linking to is the appendix of the current page"
>
> If I half understand your reasoning, you'd want this the other way
> around: the link somewhere in your page TO the T&C uses rel, and then
> the link in the T&Cs that links back to the page per se (and
> presumably closes the popup?) would use the rev...but the link text
> itself should read something like "back to the page", rather than
> T&Cs.
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Nick Tomczek]

Prisca,

I have a graphic designer that swears by CSS Edit for all of his CSS
modifications.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Gregory Alan Gross
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Prisca--
>
> Like Gicela, I too am new to Macs.  I'm using Smultron and like it a great
> deal.  How does it compare with CSS Edit and Coda?
>
> .greg
>
> "These are the days of miracle and wonder."
>
> On Mon 20/10/08 03:00 , "Prisca schmarsow" [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
> Gicela,
>
> yes - CSS Edit is fantastic :)  you'll love it :-)
> My other favourite is Coda  - http://www.panic.com/coda/
>
> you might also like to try Smultron which is open source:
> http://tuppis.com/smultron/
>
> happy coding ;)
> Prisca
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gicela Morales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about
>> the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
>>
>> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the
>> 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Gicela
>>
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[WSG] Drupal - Standards Compliant and Crossbrowser Dropdown Navigation Widget?

[James O'Neill]

Greetings all,

I am in the process of working with a developer on a Drupal project and I
was wondering if there was any Standards Compliant and/or Semantically
Correct widgets for Drupal out there... specifically for dropdown navigation
(which is a primary concern of mine) or other things...

I am a bit paranoid about general widget code quality since Web Standards
developers are the exception, so I am assume that so are the the people that
make OS CMS widgets. Perhaps the fact that we are working with OSS that the
code quality will be better. A bit naive perhaps, but there you go.


Thanks,

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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Gregory Alan Gross]

 Prisca--

Like Gicela, I too am new to Macs.  I'm using Smultron and like it a
great deal.  How does it compare with CSS Edit and Coda?

.greg
 "These are the days of miracle and wonder." 
 On Mon 20/10/08 03:00 , "Prisca schmarsow"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] sent:
 Gicela,
 yes - CSS Edit is fantastic :)  you'll love it :-)
 My other favourite is Coda  - http://www.panic.com/coda/ [1]
 you might also like to try Smultron which is open source:
http://tuppis.com/smultron/ [2]
 happy coding ;)
 Prisca
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 Hi Everyone,
 I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering
about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can
recommend? 
 I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in
the 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?

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[WSG] re: Semantic use of rel and rev in anchors

[Foskett, Mike]

Hi all,

 

Could someone tell me if the following use of rel and rev are
semantically accurate?

 

T&Cs

...

 ... 

 

 

T&Cs

 

 

I'm currently developing a pop-up method specifically for Terms &
Conditions.

One where the T&Cs are in a div at the bottom of the page and a second
where an Ajax call fetches the external content.

 

 

Thanks for reading

 

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RE: [WSG] CSS editors

[Thierry Koblentz]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Gicela Morales
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:51 AM
> To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
> Subject: [WSG] CSS editors
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about
the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
>
> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the
90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?


http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=CssEditors


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Re: [WSG] Email form builder

[kevin mcmonagle]

Paul Collins wrote:

Hi all,
 
Does anyone know of a free online resource for building a form that 
sends an email? One that's aimed at people with limited knowledge of 
databases. I'm trying to locate one for a friend. He'd like to add his 
own customisable fields too. Most of the ones I am searching for want 
you to pay for it.
 
Would really appreciate any help.
If you friend builds sites semi-frequently he might as well just start 
using word press or textpattern. If hes just doing a one off theres 
probably a good extension or tutorial for dreamweaver.




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Re: [WSG] Email form builder - ADMIN

[russ - maxdesign]

ADMIN

As this is off topic, please email Paul directly off-list.
Thanks
Russ


> Hi all, 
>  
> Does anyone know of a free online resource for building a form that sends an
> email? One that's aimed at people with limited knowledge of databases. I'm
> trying to locate one for a friend. He'd like to add his own customisable
> fields too. Most of the ones I am searching for want you to pay for it.
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> Would really appreciate any help. 




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[WSG] Email form builder

[Paul Collins]

Hi all,

Does anyone know of a free online resource for building a form that sends an 
email? One that's aimed at people with limited knowledge of databases. I'm 
trying to locate one for a friend. He'd like to add his own customisable fields 
too. Most of the ones I am searching for want you to pay for it.

Would really appreciate any help.


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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Nancy Johnson]

I'm Dreamweaver and hand write code.   Years ago I used to use BBedit
and loved it, however, I also moved from mac to pc years ago.  I'm
sorry that Barebones didn't develop versions for the pc.  The
companies I tend to work for are PC only

Nancy

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> http://www.newsgator.com/Individuals/TopStyle/Default.aspx
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Re: SPAM-MED: Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

[Rick Lecoat]

On 20 Oct 2008, at 10:26, kevin mcmonagle wrote:


micheal md wrote:
>>I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where  
possible and so far I haven't found

anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3  

How about flv?


IIRC flv came in with Flash 8

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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[designer]

Does no-one use Topstyle?

http://www.newsgator.com/Individuals/TopStyle/Default.aspx

Bob

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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Gicela Morales]

Thanks everyone.  I like the idea of TextMate and TextWrangler!
Gicela :-)

2008/10/20 James Jeffery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I have both BBEdit and TextMate.
>
> I use TextMate alot because it's a nice and simple text editor. Project
> creation is easy also, you just drag in project folders.
>
> I like BBEdit when I am doing Java, C/C++ and general programming, but
> depending on the task I will use XCode aswell.
>
> If it's just HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP/Python/Ruby then I'd go with
> TextMate: http://macromates.com/
>
> Good move on the Mac though.
>
> James
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gicela Morales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about
>> the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
>>
>> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the
>> 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Gicela
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Muswardi]

I'm using CODA too... I think it's a great tools since when still
using PC, I'm get used to EditPlus.

Rgds,

Muswardi

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> Last time I used a Mac I edited with Text Wrangler
>
>
>
> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/download.html
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>
> It did the job
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>
> 
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> Hi Everyone,
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>
> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about the
> best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
>
>
>
> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's)
> and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?
>
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> Kind regards,
>
> Gicela
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Re: SPAM-LOW: [WSG] CSS editors

[kevin mcmonagle]

there is a free version of bbedit called textwrangler if you can hardcode.


Gicela Morales wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering 
about the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can 
recommend?


I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 
90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?


Kind regards,
Gicela


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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[James Jeffery]

I have both BBEdit and TextMate.

I use TextMate alot because it's a nice and simple text editor. Project
creation is easy also, you just drag in project folders.

I like BBEdit when I am doing Java, C/C++ and general programming, but
depending on the task I will use XCode aswell.

If it's just HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP/Python/Ruby then I'd go with
TextMate: http://macromates.com/

Good move on the Mac though.

James


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> Hi Everyone,
> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about
> the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
>
> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the
> 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?
>
> Kind regards,
> Gicela
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Ollie]

I use textmate, http://macromates.com/ as it has really good plug-in
support, I have heard good things about Coda though.

Ollie

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> Hi Everyone,
> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about
> the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
>
> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the
> 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?
>
> Kind regards,
> Gicela
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Johan Douma]

I'm still using Dreamweaver mainly. Textmate (http://macromates.com/) for
anything else, especially if I don't want to wait for Dw to open.
I have coda as well (http://www.panic.com/coda/), but it is damn slow on my
old mac, I don't know how it is on newer G5/Intel machines. If it wasn't
that slow I guess I would be using Coda instead of Dw.
Last one for PHP code, I usually use Komodo IDE. The latest Zend Studio
sucks and I haven't really been able to find anything else.
I haven't really used CSSEdit. Can't tell you if it's any good.
Smultron is pretty good for a free tool, but Textmate is way better and not
that expensive. Additionnally, smultron is pretty heavy for such a simple
text editor. But I guess it's my old mac's fault again.
Cheers,
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2008/10/20 Gicela Morales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi Everyone,
> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about
> the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
>
> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the
> 90's) and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?
>
> Kind regards,
> Gicela
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Gareth Senior]

 
I use TextMate. Extensible for all kinds of use.
It has a good CSS bundle.

It¹s rubbish for printing though - I use textwrangler for printing out code.



On 20/10/2008 11:09, "Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Last time I used a Mac I edited with Text Wrangler
>  
> http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/download.html
>  
> It did the job
>  
> 
> 
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> Behalf Of Gicela Morales
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> Subject: [WSG] CSS editors
>  
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
>  
> 
> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about the
> best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
> 
>  
> 
> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's)
> and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?
> 
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> 
> Kind regards,
> 
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RE: [WSG] CSS editors

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Last time I used a Mac I edited with Text Wrangler

 

http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/download.html 

 

It did the job

 

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Hi Everyone,

 

I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about the
best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?

 

I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's)
and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?

 

Kind regards,

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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Rob Enslin]

Don't know about 'best' but I use Dreamweaver.

Rob

2008/10/20 Gicela Morales <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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> I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about
> the best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?
>
> I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the
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Re: [WSG] CSS editors

[Prisca schmarsow]

Gicela,

yes - CSS Edit is fantastic :)  you'll love it :-)
My other favourite is Coda  - http://www.panic.com/coda/

you might also like to try Smultron which is open source:
http://tuppis.com/smultron/

happy coding ;)
Prisca


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[WSG] CSS editors

[Gicela Morales]

Hi Everyone,
I've just migrated form PC to a new macbook  :-) but was wondering about the
best xhtml/css editors for macs around that people can recommend?

I can see that BBEdit is still around ( I used to use this back in the 90's)
and CSSedit seem to have some good reviews. Any preferences?

Kind regards,
Gicela


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Re: php4 and encoded ampersands (was Re: [WSG] google and validation)

[David Dorward]

Michael MD wrote:
>> not a third party on the planet that knows how to write a valid
>> script tag
>> or encode ampersands...
>
> I've sometimes had to modify existing php and perl scripts to handle
> encoded
> ampersands.
> It seems that neither php 4's $_GET or $_REQUEST nor perl's "param"
> handle
> encoded ampersands in query strings
> (you often end up with "amp;key" rather than just "key") so I often
> have to
> handle this in the script itself.
This sounds like an error in the URL, not in the parser.

In a URL, an & character as data should be represented as %26

In a URL, an & character as a query string part separator should be
represented as &

In HTML (including an HTML representation of a URL), an & character
should be represented as &

The user agent (e.g. browser, bot, etc) should decode the & in the
HTML to get & in the DOM, so when it requests the URL from the
webserver, it requests &.

It sounds like & is being requested. So the fault is in the tool
making the request, not in the tool parsing it.

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Re: SPAM-MED: Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

[kevin mcmonagle]

micheal md wrote:
>>I tend to avoid using anything that needs flash player 9 where 
possible and so far I haven't found

anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3  

How about flv?

-best
kevin



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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

[Michael MD]

Kerry I agree with you there - while 99% of computers online may have
access
to flash 2 or 3 some higher (of course) I think that we would be extremely
hard pressed to find a majority of online machines with flash above flash
8.
Myself, a web developer, only has flash 8 on my machine (I don't code in
flash, so no real need to upgrade it any further at this stage...)


I think flash players as old as 2 or 3 would be pretty rare nowdays, however
with flash lite on quite a lot of mobile phones (capabilities something like
flash 7 I think) and some linux distros coming with open source alternative
flash players (capabilities like flash 7 or 8 also) I tend to avoid using
anything that needs flash player 9 where possible and so far I haven't found
anything I needed to do that really needed actionscript 3  
...widgets pulling down xml, etc can be made to work fine using actionscript
2 and my favourite actionscript compiler (which btw was my first rather late
introduction to the flash world) - "mtasc" ( http://www.mtasc.org/ ) is for
actionscript 2.





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php4 and encoded ampersands (was Re: [WSG] google and validation)

[Michael MD]

not a third party on the planet that knows how to write a valid script tag
or encode ampersands...


I've sometimes had to modify existing php and perl scripts to handle encoded
ampersands.
It seems that neither php 4's $_GET or $_REQUEST nor perl's "param" handle
encoded ampersands in query strings
(you often end up with "amp;key" rather than just "key") so I often have to
handle this in the script itself.

Its not hard to do but if there are are lot of scripts or messy legacy code
it can add a bit of hassle.








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Re: [WSG] Flash replace Javascript in Future?

[Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]

Webb, KerryA wrote:

Johan Douma wrote:


Flash is on 99.9% of the computers.


Which is the sort of claim made often by Adobe.

But, if we're talking about a recent version of Flash on 99.9% of
computers, that's a different matter.


I think that's somewhat unfair. Adobe go out of their way to provide a 
breakdown of the headline figure:


http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/

http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html

(Also it's 99% not 99.9% - by Adobe's own figures 1 in 100 people don't 
have Flash, which is a not insignificant number if you're talking about, 
say, boosting sales from a website.)


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