Re: [WSG] NCFH Site Check and CSS Issues
On Dec 23, 2008, at 7:06 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote: On 22/12/08 20:55, Chris Kennon wrote: Here a screen capture of the desired site layout and navigation styles: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dwd/ncfh/02/desired.png The drop downs appear above a flash element. And some reports of the background color not appearing Firefox have been reported. Would the list review the site, offering CSS suggestions as needed? http://working.bushidodeep.com/dwd/ncfh/02/ncfh_template.html Like Henrik, I'm curious as to why a Flash object is being used, not a background image. Their will be a flash presentation, the current object was for testing the dropdowns. I suspect the drop downs aren't appearing above the Flash properly because its wmode is set to transparent not opaque. http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=tn_15523 Thanks A few other issues: (1) What's your plan for keyboard accessibility of the navigation (or the items the navigation leads to)? At the moment, as I tab through the page, for large swathes of the tab order there is almost no visible focus. http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#navigation-mechanisms-focus-visible http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#keyboard-operation Make sure there's a visible focus ring. Will investigate (2) In your CSS, ul#mainNav a sets a height in pixels for an anchor. This is highly unrealistic in a medium where you don't have good control over the font size. It causes the navigation items to overlap with font size increased merely two steps in Firefox. Thanks (3) The use of a background-image for the logo with the text positioned off-screen means that if the user enforces their own colors for increased legibility, the header _and its text_ will likely be invisible. What image replacement techniques do you suggest to compensate for this issue? -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] NCFH Site Check and CSS Issues
Hi, Here a screen capture of the desired site layout and navigation styles: http://working.bushidodeep.com/dwd/ncfh/02/desired.png The drop downs appear above a flash element. And some reports of the background color not appearing Firefox have been reported. Would the list review the site, offering CSS suggestions as needed? http://working.bushidodeep.com/dwd/ncfh/02/ncfh_template.html CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] PopDown Menu NCFH
Hi All, It's been a while, but given the season, not only could I use the wisdom of the list, but the subject matter of the project begs a collaborative effort. The National Center on Family Homeless redesign requires drop-down menus, of which I'm not a fan, but are required. Would those experienced with Pure CSS Drop-Downs assist my effort? I've them started but the :hover disrupts the parent list. http://working.bushidodeep.com/dwd/ncfh/nav/ncfh_template.html Respectfully, CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: memberh...@webstandardsgroup.org ***
[WSG] Margin Trapping
The navigation list on the following http://working.bushidodeep.com/
spring_2008/template.html only stays at top when the following rule
is in place:
div#container{width: 100%; border: 1px solid transparent;}
is this due to margin trapping, or some conjured anomaly with my floats?
Chris
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[WSG] Large Background Images
Hi, The use of large backgrounds has become more common given expanding bandwidth. However standards are still a concern, what perils of wisdom for using a full-page BG can the list cultivate? Chris *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Thumbnail Floats
Attempting to get the results crafted here: http://css.maxdesign.com.au/floatutorial/tutorial0407.htm With lli and p elements, but have run into a snag. Would a dashing standardista lend some CSS to the following template? http://working.bushidodeep.com/spring_2008/template.html *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Centering Elements
Hi, I yet to devise an elegant solution centering all elements within div#innerContainer. Would a gifted Standardista offer an elegant backward compatible solution? CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Centering Elements
The uri is here: http://working.bushidodeep.com/spring_2008/ template.html On Apr 9, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, I yet to devise an elegant solution centering all elements within div#innerContainer. Would a gifted Standardista offer an elegant backward compatible solution? CK *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] o 0
Hi, A accessibility/usability quirk was posed to me and led to a me neither response. I've yet to encounter a font for the web that has a distinction between the uppercase letter O and the number 0. If such a font exist, which is it? Respectfully, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Alternate Navigation
Hi, It appears that a bid may be lost due to a client insisting on FLASH being used for navigation. The concern from this end is if FLASH is not installed or broken the entire site is DOA (Dead On Arrival). With the use of the object tag is it possible to include an alternate ul navigation, should FLASH fail? Return True, Christopher Kennon Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep www.bushidodeep.com ___ An ideal is merely the projection, on an enormously enlarged scale, of some aspect of personality. -- Aldus Huxley ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alternate Navigation
Hi Patrick, This requires further research, but many issues may have been resolved in the Accessibility Panel within FLASH. Return True, Christopher Kennon Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep http://bushidodeep.com/ __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee On Jan 30, 2006, at 6:19 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: It appears that a bid may be lost due to a client insisting on FLASH being used for navigation. The concern from this end is if FLASH is not installed or broken the entire site is DOA (Dead On Arrival). With the use of the object tag is it possible to include an alternate ul navigation, should FLASH fail? Well yes, that's the whole point of the object element...anything inside it represents a fallback for when the object itself can't be rendered http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/objects.html#h-13.3.1 I'd be more concerned, however, about the accessibility implications when the flash *doesn't* fail, but it nonetheless not navigable by keyboard (or, for instance, swallows the browser's focus/tab) or not exposed to any screen reader or other assistive technology. -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] A Question of Slices
Hi, I've a question regarding, preparing the navigational tabs for a ul background. Would someone take a look, offering suggestions on correct slicing so as not to leave it to ImageReady's, sometime non- standards solution? http://working.bushidodeep.com/remix/remix_bg.jpg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A Question of Slices
Hi, The plan is the very back (the textured back ground) is the container_bg, the cards are the content_bg, and my question was on properly slicing up the tabs along the right side of the cards, for use as navigation, following this method: http://wellstyled.com/css-nopreload-rollovers.html Perhaps I'm complicating the issue, please expand on your reply. Chris On Jan 29, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: On 30/01/2006, at 4:35 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/remix/remix_bg.jpg Interesting - its a fixed size image. Why slice at all? Drop the whole image in as a background, then use a px measurement on the content for margins to make sure it stays in the alloted space. The reason I normally slice is because I will have some portion in the middle repeating - this doesn't appear to be the case here? Are there any other reasons for slicing that I am overlooking? warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A Question of Slices
Hi, Thanks Lea Byte, Does this also beg the question, are the tabs to small? Both slicing suggestions seem valid, and which is most suitable will have to be proven in a UA. So thanks again, a good start for experimentation. Chris On Jan 29, 2006, at 3:27 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: On 30/01/2006, at 8:14 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: http://working.bushidodeep.com/remix/remix_bg.jpg The plan is the very back (the textured back ground) is the container_bg, the cards are the content_bg, and my question was on properly slicing up the tabs along the right side of the cards, for use as navigation, Ah, my apologies - I didn't even *see* the tabs :( I think my first attempt would to cut the image into 5 pieces: - the entire left hand side - top right hand piece, including top tab - 2 x middle tabs, out to right hand edge of image - bottom right hand piece, including bottom tab. This gives the minimum number of pieces to apply to elements. Hmmm... although thats going to make the anchor over the large pieces difficult... OK, second try: I would cut it into 6 pieces: - the left hand piece, to the edge of the top piece of paper - the right hand piece, from that edge to the right hand edge of the image *and do some clever editing so the tabs dont appear* - then one piece for each tab. This would overlay the large right hand piece I assume the tab sticking out further is the current one - a separate image for that. Not sure if I would make the list item containing the tab the size of the larger tab or the size of the smaller one, I would have to experiment. Does that help more? :) warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Font Replacement With PHP
Hi, I recall, although from where unsure, a standards compliant method of embedding a font within a site with PHP. Can someone shed some insight on this? __ Respectfully, Christopher Kennon Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep bushidodeep (http://bushidodeep.com/) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Screen-Print-Wireless
On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Miika Mäkinen wrote: By wireless do you mean mobile and pdas? Problem is that most of the PDAs will include stylesheets they shouldn't (@media screen). I've found that the only way to do good contents for mobile is to server different pages. Hi, This was the affliction inspiring the question. So your suggesting content negotiation, hopefully with php? Return True, Christopher Kennon Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep www.bushidodeep.com ___ An ideal is merely the projection, on an enormously enlarged scale, of some aspect of personality. -- Aldus Huxley ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Screen-Print-Wireless
On Jan 24, 2006, at 5:50 PM, Nic wrote: Any suggestions on creating stylesheets specific to wireless? Well, obviously, declare your css with media=handheld, then style your page accordingly :) Always a good place to start, smarty pants :) So it seems advantageous serving the same style for print and handheld? Remember that screen sizes are *small*, so fixed widths are a no- go. Use % instead of px. Same for fixed font sizes. Use em rather than px for font sizes, for example. Big images are also a no go. Big file sizes are going to eat up costly bandwidth for the poor wireless user. Big files (pixel wise) are going to force horizontal scrolling. Where possible, reduce de number of images, or eliminate them completely. Eliminate elements that are not completely necessary. People who use their wireless to access a site are not there for the design, they want to find the content quickly, access the content quickly, and be on their merry way. If your site has big menus, you may want to deliver a limited menu for the wireless/mobile/handheld. For example, deliver only top level list items for menus using nested lists. Use links to skip navigation and skip menus right at the top, so people who don't want to scroll down can just jump to it (that's a good practice on any site anyway). Use bold colours, try to keep in the web safe range. While we can get away from using web safe colours anymore for the PC (in most cases), the screen quality of handhelds still leave to be desired, and you're better off keeping within that web safe range. In other words, simplify, simplify, simplify :) Cheers Nic ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Screen-Print-Wireless
Hi, Any suggestions on creating stylesheets specific to wireless? The object is one site served to (3) UAs. Return True, Christopher Kennon Principal/Designer/Programmer -Bushidodeep http://bushidodeep.com/ __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Title Attribute
Hi, My understanding of the title element appears shallow. Usage of the title attribute within an Object , Frame and link is well documented. However, when I encountered it with p title=some titleSome Text/ p my was took on a wide-eyed look of embarrassment, as I was unaware of its usage in this context. Would someone enlighten on the flexibility of the title attribute? Respectfully, Christopher Kennon Principal Creative Director -Bushidodeep http://bushidodeep.com/ __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Title Attribute
Thanks, The impression I'm getting from the replies today are title as an attribute, has inconsistent interpretation by most UA's. However, as an element it is essential to the document. Is this interpretation correct? Respectfully, Christopher Kennon Principal Creative Director -Bushidodeep www.bushidodeep.com ___ An ideal is merely the projection, on an enormously enlarged scale, of some aspect of personality. -- Aldus Huxley On Jan 19, 2006, at 1:42 PM, russ - maxdesign wrote: The flexibility of the title attribute (as opposed to the title element) can be seen in the ever-exciting W3 technical reports. Two places that are always a great read, and full of surprises are the List of attributes [1] and List of elements [2]. The list of attributes shows the title and has info beside it saying its related elements are: All elements but BASE, BASEFONT, HEAD, HTML, META, PARAM, SCRIPT, TITLE Before getting too excited though, an essential read on this topic is Steve Faulkners The Trouble with the Title attribute [3]. [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/elements.html [3] http://www.sf.id.au/ozewai/ Thanks Russ Hi, My understanding of the title element appears shallow. Usage of the title attribute within an Object , Frame and link is well documented. However, when I encountered it with p title=some titleSome Text/ p my was took on a wide-eyed look of embarrassment, as I was unaware of its usage in this context. Would someone enlighten on the flexibility of the title attribute? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Scrolling A Div
Hi, I'm curious if anyone has knowledge on creating a custom scrollbar graphic for controlling a div? I've seen custom buttons and can go this route, but would like a custom scrollbar , similar to what you can create in FLASH for a textField. Sorry for using the (f) word :) Respectfully, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari Lightening Entire Background Image - FIXED
Hi, So the problem was resolved with the re-saved images alone, or in concert with changes to the CSS? Respectfully, Christopher Kennon Principal Creative Director -Bushidodeep www.bushidodeep.com On Jan 12, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Mani Sheriar wrote: Thanks all, especially Nick Cowie who seemed to really look into this thing! I don’t know how I did it … but it’s fixed. I just resaved all the images AGAIN and somehow the problem went away. What a strange experience. Anyway … many thanks again. =) Mani Sheriar Founder, Sheriar Designs www.ManiSheriar.com | 925.914.0741 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] OT:Javascript/DOM Mailing List
Hi, Would someone share their booty of a JS/DOM standards based mailing list? Happy New Year (Better Late Than Never), Chris Kennon ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Safari Lightening Entire Background Image
Hi, Would the screenshot being in .png cause a difference? In photoshop check your color setting in the save for web window, it could be a gamma issue there? Also confirm the flattened image does not have a color profile. Nice site, all things aside? On Jan 12, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Mani Sheriar wrote: Hey all, I’m having a slightly maddening problem that appears to be only in Safari. The test page is here: http://www.manisheriar.com/sparkplug/paywi/ On Firefox and IE all seems good, but in Safari the grays of the main background image are too light and therefore clashing with other images where it is supposed to blend. See screenshot here: http://www.manisheriar.com/sparkplug/paywi/_images/paywi.png All these images were sliced from the same flattened psd. At first I thought it might be some weird problem with jpg vs. gif but I resaved everything to be jpg and the issue is still there. Nor is it background vs. foreground ... the lock image is foreground but the nav buttons are background. Arrrggghhh!!! Anyone have any thoughts? THANK YOU in advance!!! Mani Sheriar Founder, Sheriar Designs www.ManiSheriar.com | 925.914.0741 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Learning asp.net with standards
Dear List: A pending graduate IT student asked my opinion on .net technologies. My understating, less than a month old, designing UI's for .net applications, is that the need for standards within this framework is without question. Having approached the list last month with issues regarding CSS implementation in the .net framework, leaves me with the question how best to guide this student on utilizing web standards with .net technology? A great opportunity exists to usher someone into best practices. Respectfully, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] firefox 1.5 is official
Hi Jay, What extensions are you running. You can reply off-list, if desired. Chris On Nov 29, 2005, at 4:31 PM, Jay Gilmore wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Does the Web Developer Extension run in it with your old profile without fussing with it? I've been using both, but web dev only in 1.0.7 and separate profiles for each. Yes. I just installed 1.5 into the 1.07 folder and of the 20 extensions I have installed only 3 didn't update or function. Jay Gilmore Developer/Consultant Affordable Websites and Marketing Solutions for Real Small Business. SmashingRed Web Marketing P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Off-List[installing Xalan-C++ version 1.10]
Hi, Would someone knowledge please email off-list with instructions on installing Xalan-C++ for Mac OS 10.4, and any other XSLT paser for use with Terminal. Sincerely, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] BBC E-mail: Overhaul for Firefox web browser
Chris Kennon saw this story on BBC News Online and thought you should see it. ** Message ** Yeah! ** Overhaul for Firefox web browser ** A big marketing push is planned for the latest version of Firefox, the main rival to Microsoft's Internet Explorer. http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/technology/4479412.stm ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail http://www.bbc.co.uk/dailyemail/ ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender have been verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Casual Friday[Drop-Down Menus]
Hi, I've adopted the philosophy, drop down menus are a surrogate for detailed Information Architecture. Sub-navigation should be introduced on internal pages to navigate sub-sections. Before passing this along to clients as mantra, I thought seeking the advice of the participants of the list advantageous. Respectfully, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Casual Friday[Drop-Down Menus]
Hi, When you say contextual linking you’re referring to sub-navigation appropriate to each sub-section? C On Nov 25, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Jon Tan wrote: IMO, they are often used instead of good contextual links, ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Casual Friday[Drop-Down Menus]
Hi, Never mind! I knew them as breadcrumbs. C On Nov 25, 2005, at 2:35 PM, Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, When you say contextual linking you’re referring to sub-navigation appropriate to each sub-section? C On Nov 25, 2005, at 12:46 PM, Jon Tan wrote: IMO, they are often used instead of good contextual links, ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Efficient CSS Practice Methods
Happy Holidays All, When between projects, practice is the order of the day, as mastery in this field is a fallacy. However, it simply seems counter- productive laying out sites that will not be used for personal or commercial gain. This belief begs the question how does one effectively practice CSS? Should I continue creating scenarios and templates, or can some knowledgeable member share practice methodologies? Respectfully, CK ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] starting ordered lists from a number other than 1
Hi, Can someone explain why this incredibly useful attribute: ol li value=40/li is deprecated, or is it? C On Nov 23, 2005, at 3:44 PM, Geoff Pack wrote: Paul Noone wrote: Also, and I'll probably get lynched for this but the following should also work in a transiational doctype. ol li value=40/li ... Not for using it, just for not quoting it properly ;) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Standards and .NET
Hi,Yesterday I spoke with you all regarding issues with using CSS and .NET. Below is the site underdevelopment. I'm told div's are casuing a problem, in addition to tdthCould someone look over this and offer suggestions, on Standards based implementation with .NET"Today we found screen resolution Problem. Please test different screenresolutions also try to use tables instead of div tags."Try the following link to get an idea of what we are getting.http://www.red-threads.com/beacontest/processes.aspx
[WSG] Standards and The DataGrid
Hi, Can someone offer standards based guidelines when working with the MS .Net's standard grid component. According to my client this component has issues with td th elements. Respectfully, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Standards and The DataGrid
Hi,The client is having trouble:"Just to update you, we're having some issues making your styles work withinthe program, as the generated table does not have TD's and TH's in thetraditional sense per se."The application is running on IE 6.Thanks,Christopher KennonOn Nov 7, 2005, at 6:18 AM, Peter Goddard wrote:ChrisJust off the top of my head, but .net 2.0 offers the new GridView webcontrol and most output I have tested in .net 2.0 has been compliantmarkup, if a little verbose. The DataGrid was a web control offered aspart of .net 1.x and has now been replaced by the GridView. Most of theenhancements are to do with easier databinding routines and the the newdeclarative datasource controls. What issues with table markup does your client think they have? The datareturned to a databound control is ideal for presentation on a tabularformat. It is, after all a table of data that is being diplayed. If you have issues with the DataGrid, why not grab back control of theoutput in a Repeater control. There are even scripts that will allowpaging with the repeater. Check out 4guysfromrolla or msdn. I wouldn'tlike to script sorting on columns however.HTHPeter -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris KennonSent: 07 November 2005 13:54To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] Standards and The DataGridHi,Can someone offer standards based guidelines when working with the MS .Net's standard grid component. According to my client thiscomponent has issues with td th elements.Respectfully,Chris**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting helpThe discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help**
[WSG] Advanced CSS Training and Publications
Hi, Although I've worked with CSS for quite sometime, I've just scratched the surface of advanced CSS solutions. After ogling Amazon for the better part of the morning I've only mustered a throbbing headache. So many publications and only conflicting opinions surrounding their usefulness. So I'm appealing to the list for suggestions on advanced CSS publications and on-line training. Respectfully, Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] 2-Column Liquid Designs
Hi, I'm searching for inspiration for (2) liquid corporate designs. Would someone pass along a few URI's? Chris ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check (eStore)
Hi, Butterfly.com looks good in Safari 2.0.1, Firefox 1.5.1 Beta, Opera 8.0.2 nav_bar shifts to the left in IE 5.2 in the mac. On Sep 15, 2005, at 7:51 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: http://www.tjkdesign.com/eStore/ I've put it through a few browsers on PC, but I'm pretty limited on the Mac side... Thanks, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check (eStore)
A standards Compliant e-solution for future reference: (http://www.zen-cart.com/modules/frontpage/) C On Sep 15, 2005, at 11:13 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Hi Ted, If were gonna git nitpicky. I'd clean up this code on the shopping cart: Ouch! I guess I still have more work to do then :) I've started with a commercial (shopping cart) package. Out of the box, the markup doesn't validate, tables are all over the place, deprecated markup, bunch of anchors not in list items, divitis, classitis, no accessibility features, etc. I've cleaned up most of it, but obviously I missed a few things... Not easy to go through the markup inside *lines* of ASP scripts, I did *not* even see the event handler in there ;) (the Admin section shows the type of markup the original SS-Scripts generate). I like the even/odd rows for tables and divs in this page and the product page. If you are not already using the zebraAll.js script from list member Patrick Lauke, give him a holler. It handles the striping of divs, tables, lists, and more from one script. I've been using it and absolutely love it. I prefer to do that Server-Side, but I'll take a look at the JS solution, thanks for the pointer. Will you be releasing this as a package soon? E-commerce forms are a Since it is based on a commercial product, I don't think the license allows me to *resell* it as a package. Even it is *very far* from the original product. ;-( dime a dozen but there is so little out there that is as well thought-out as this. Nice work. Thanks, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Flash elements
Hi, Greatest is always debatable in this vocation latest, as current as the next query by a news aggrigator, but here goes one of the best methods I've found: (http://blog.deconcept.com/flashobject/) C On Sep 13, 2005, at 8:32 AM, Tom Livingston wrote: Hello all, Can someone point me to the latest and greatest method for adding Flash to a page. Also, adding alternate content to a Flash element. Can the alt content be an image? Off list if you think it's best... Thanks! -- Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist Media Logic www.mlinc.com Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE 5 Mac Conditional Statement
Hi, Does the following statement work in IE5MAC? html body !--[if IE] pI am IE/p ![endif]-- /body /html If so how would I use it to disable a styleSheet that cause this UA to choke? C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE 5 Mac Conditional Statement
Hi, Then if understanding serves using link element in lieu of an @import would disable the StyleSheet in IE 5 Mac? C On Sep 12, 2005, at 7:21 AM, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, Does the following statement work in IE5MAC? html body !--[if IE] pI am IE/Win 5+ /p ![endif]-- /body /html Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check [BushidoDeep-Validation Complete]
Hi, One meta-tag was open, and some onClick-.onclick issues were resolved. C On Sep 10, 2005, at 9:06 PM, Scott Swabey - Lafinboy Productions wrote: Have you run it through the validators you link to? You are showing errors in the XHTML validator, which stops validation in the CSS validator. You are also showing warnings when run through Tidy. Regards Scott Swabey Lafinboy Productions www.lafinboy.com -Original Message- On Behalf Of Chris Kennon Subject: [WSG] Site Check [BushidoDeep] I've put it through as many hoops (UA's) as I own, let me know how it holds in yours. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Valid Null Value
Hi, Tidy frowns on this tabindex=#. What mark is acceptable as a null value in place of #. C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Valid Null Value
Hi, I've a default link structure that I use for consistency, sub navigation for this page does not need to be tabbed, as it is in a logical order. I wanted to leave the value blank without removing said attribute/value from each link. I've discovered that leaving the value blank tabindex=does not invalidate the page, or upset tidy. However complete omission, per your suggestion is food for thought, and proving quite substantial. Thanks again for your insightful addition to my inquiry. C On Sep 11, 2005, at 7:50 AM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: Tidy frowns on this tabindex=#. What mark is acceptable as a null value in place of #. And Tidy is right. As per spec, tabindex needs to be a (natural) number between 0 and 32767 http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html#adef-tabindex Why do you want to assign a null value? What are you trying to achieve? Do you want to remove something from the tab order completely? In general, tabindices are not really needed anymore, as you can control the order of tabbing by putting things in the correct order in the markup, but maybe that's just my opinion... -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check [BushidoDeep]
Hi, Very thoughtful and helpful, will implement as many changes as necessary. C On Sep 11, 2005, at 6:42 PM, David Laakso wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: Hi, I've put it through as many hoops (UA's) as I own, let me know how it holds in yours. Overall you're looking good, Chris. Some nit-picking notes-- - a little slow to load - unable to read content if images disabled. - font-size on body okay at 80% better (for me) at 100.01% (see also Opera at 1280). - would delete all the buttons and the validator thing in footer - the yellow-orange/blue link color seems out of character with the rest of the page color. - you have 5-subjects (pages)-- repeating each of the 5-subjects on each of the 5-pages is sort of confusing? - needs a little lead between the bottom of the 1st paragraph and the rule 6 Screen Captures: http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx? proj_id=190115 Regards, David Laakso -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check [BushidoDeep]
Hi, Is this suggestion a usability or aesthetic decision? On Sep 11, 2005, at 6:42 PM, David Laakso wrote: - would delete all the buttons and the validator thing in footer On Sep 11, 2005, at 6:42 PM, David Laakso wrote: - would delete all the buttons and the validator thing in footer ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Site Check [BushidoDeep]
Hi, I've put it through as many hoops (UA's) as I own, let me know how it holds in yours. C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] OL vs DL
Hi, Looking over the information at the following url: (http://www.bridgewater.edu/~dhuffman/soc306/f02grp4/Martial%20Arts/ bushido__the_honor_code.htm) I'm confused if the quest for cleaner mark-up would be better pursued by an OL or DL? C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] IE Issues For BushidoDeep
Hi, In VPC 7.0.2 IE the following site(bushidoDeep.com) has the following issues: 1. The navigation is wrapping to another line. 2. the about section is missing. Site looks as expected in FF, Safari and Opera. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Microformats
Hi, Having just completed the article on Microformats from Mr. Weakley's weekly read list (say ten times, very fast),I'm excited by Microformats contribution to standards based development. It seems to give syntax and grammar to the mark-up of personal data. Would this be a brief, but succinct definition of the microformat contribution? C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Safari Developers Tools
Safari WebDevAdditions - 1.0b15 Product Description: WebDevAdditions adds a menu to the Safari browser with few useful functions for web developers. It allows to disable (hide) images, shows table structure, block level elements (divs, paragraphs, forms), various informations about images, links, stylesheets. (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/26435)
Re: [WSG] Microformats
Hi, Where is this summary, Microformated? C On Aug 31, 2005, at 2:44 PM, Ben Curtis wrote: Ted Drake just wrote up a summary of the previous opening a new window conversation, so I'd like to grab a sample from what he was doing -- after all, microformats *must* satisfy a real, current need in order to be useful. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within
Hi,
So would is this the solution to the original problem:
div style=font-size: 0.90em;
Some text
div style=font-size: 0.80em;
More text
/div
Some text
/div
or an aside?
C
On Aug 25, 2005, at 5:43 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Geoff Deering wrote:
I'm just wondering how people handle the IE text resizing problem,
where IE handles percentages much more accurately than em?
You can safely use ems as long as your highest font size is
something else, like %.
For instance, as long as you have something like
html { font-size: 100%; }
you can do anything you like with ems after that, like
body { font-size: 0.9em; }
etc
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Re: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within
Hi,
An experiment revealed this recursive down slide.
C
On Aug 25, 2005, at 5:38 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
Chris Kennon wrote:
div#something *{
font-size: 0.9em;
}
That's the quickest way of producing an ever decreasing cascade of
font sizes for every level of nesting you have within
div#something...so not really.
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Re: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within
On Aug 26, 2005, at 5:12 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: I didn't write the rule under scorn, the original thread follows this reply. I'm not a fan of inline styling or piling up values. I've worked with stylesheets since Designing Killer Websites by Dave Siegel; having quickly embraced the need for the separation of style and content and behavior. This I hope lends some validity to my dedication of furthering web- standards, as it appears sometimes in question. Respectfully, Chris Kennon On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:53:20 -0700, Chris Kennon wrote: div style=font-size: 0.90em; Some text div style=font-size: 0.80em; More text /div Some text /div Generally I tend to think its 'bad typography' to have different sizes all over the page. In the rare case where this was what I actually wanted to achieve, I would set the 0.80em value to 0.9em in the knowledge that 0.9 * 0.9 is 0.81 and thats the value I wanted. You can't reset the tree, but you can understand what changes as you descend it. warmly Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** On Aug 25, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Janelle Clemens wrote: If you are using em with font-size is there is a way to clear the font-size of a box element (stop the inheritance)?I am having a hard time explaining myself so maybe an example would be better. So if you have this code, the More text would be 0.80em relation to the 0.90em. div style=font-size: 0.90em; Some text div style=font-size: 0.80em; More text /div Some text /div Is there a way to reset the font-size on the second div so the 0.80em is actually 0.80em relation to the body of 1.0em without having to code like this? div style=font-size: 0.90em; Some text /div div style=font-size: 0.80em; More text /div div style=font-size: 0.90em; Some text /div Thanks, Janelle ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Font-size em and reseting within
Hi,
Maybe something like:
div#something *{
font-size: 0.9em;
}
On Aug 25, 2005, at 2:51 PM, Janelle Clemens wrote:
If you are using em with font-size is there is a way to clear the
font-size
of a box element (stop the inheritance)?I am having a hard time
explaining myself so maybe an example would be better.
So if you have this code, the More text would be 0.80em relation
to the
0.90em.
div style=font-size: 0.90em;
Some text
div style=font-size: 0.80em;
More text
/div
Some text
/div
Is there a way to reset the font-size on the second div so the
0.80em is
actually 0.80em relation to the body of 1.0em without having to
code like
this?
div style=font-size: 0.90em;
Some text
/div
div style=font-size: 0.80em;
More text
/div
div style=font-size: 0.90em;
Some text
/div
Thanks,
Janelle
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[WSG] Image Drop Caps
Hi,
I glued this rule together after deciding I didn't want in inline
image for a drop cap. Does this violate any coding practices?
div#content-primary span#drop_b{
float: left;
width: 1.25em;
height: 1.25em;
font-size: 4em;
line-height: 83%;
text-indent: -px;
background: transparent url(exp_i/drop_b.gif) no-repeat 0 0;
padding: 0 .25em 0 0;
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Re: [WSG] IE in Virtual PC
Hi, Does IE in Virtual PC display the same quirks as the XP, 2000 version of IE? I'm a MAC OS user, but would like to test CSS in IE before going to Browser CAM. Hope this clarifies :) C PS The wit of this list is just a sharp as the knowledge. On Aug 21, 2005, at 12:37 AM, Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 20 Aug 2005, at 7:48 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: Would some knowledgeable participant enlighten on the behavior of IE in Virtual PC for the MAC? Respectfully, C PS I hope my questions are not banal, due to the absences of replies, I'm beginning to feel like the carrier of something contagious :) Well, not banal, maybe, but certainly a little vague... (at least this one). The answer that first comes to mind is - it displays web sites. Now, what is it that you really want to know? N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE in Virtual PC
On Aug 21, 2005, at 5:47 AM, Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: It displays web sites, with the same quirks, bugs and stupidities, same risks in browsing the web, same everything. Does this statement imply the machine hosting Virtual PC and IE becomes vulnerable to malicious software? [1] I now run VPC 7 + XP on an old, tired dual 450Mhz G4; it isn't fast, but it does the job. Philippe A means of breathing life into the old boy: (http://www.smalldog.com/category/x/x/upgrades+memory/upgrade/wag115/ wag10015) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE in Virtual PC
Hi, It was a compliment :) How does using VPC, compare to just using Browser Cam? Does using VPC provide a better control for testing pages in IE, justifying the expense, than s justifying the expense? On Aug 21, 2005, at 6:25 AM, Nick Gleitzman wrote: Thanks for the compliment, Chris (I think). Philippe has pretty much answered the question. You load Win OS into VPC from original MS disks, so there's no reason to suspect anything will be different... I run WIn 2K and XP on VP7 on a 2x2GHz G5, and it's still much slower than a native Wintel box, as the processor is emulated by the software, but it's plenty good enough for testing. I've never come across anything that renders differently... HTH ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
Hi, Extremely helpful; I owe you a pint :) C On Aug 20, 2005, at 1:39 AM, Edward Clarke wrote: There are some interesting articles on default stylesheets. http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/07/15/the-most-important-css-rule/ http://kurafire.net/log/archive/2005/07/16/starting-css-based-design http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2004/09/15/emreallyem-undoing- htmlcss/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
Hi,
Should this rule:
html, body{
height:100%;
}
be a default on each page, like
* {
margin:0;
padding: 0;
}
Has become on my core style sheet?
On Aug 19, 2005, at 10:14 AM, Patrick Ryan wrote:
One step further, just add this:
html, body{
height:100%;
}
Remember that HTMLand BODY are valid elements that wrap all of your
content. To varying extents they can be styled like any other element
on your page. In firefox, HTML and BODY inherit their height and
width from the browser window itself, while in IE, the width is
inherited, but not the height (go figure). So setting them both to
100% height gets things consistent across browsers.
On 8/19/05, alejandro poch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi man
Just try to write
height: 100%;
on the BODY on the css file and you're done. At least it work for me.
Christian Robertson wrote:
Hi all,
I am new to the list, and this is my first posting so please be
gentle ;-)
I have a task I am trying to accomplish which is not going to plan.
The base code for what I want to achieve can be found at:
http://www.metamorphosis.info/test/index-test.htm
My aim is to place a single blue panel 300px from the left of the
screen, and for it to stretch from the top to the bottom. Within
that, I would like a content container element, beginning 200px from
the top.
The result is achieved by the code below in Firefox, but IE will not
stretch the pale blue background from top to bottom - seems to
fit it
to the content. I've tried many options, but without success.
Can anyone please put me on the right track? Apologies if the
solution
is simple, but it's often the simple plans which tend to be
overlooked.
Many thanks in advance.
Chris
*XHTML:*
body
div id=maincol
div id=container
pPara 1 .../p
pPara 2 .../p
/div
/div
/body
/html
*CSS:*
body {
background-color: #909fb2;
margin: 0;}/* body margin set
to 38
at top - impacts placement */
#maincol {
position: absolute;
left: 300px;
width: 270px;
height: 100%;
background-color: #b1bbc8;}
#container {
position: relative;
top: 200px;
width: 268px;
border: 1px solid #fff;
background-color: #b1bbc8;}
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[WSG] IE in Virtual PC
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Re: [WSG] Help with a simple (?) problem
Hi,
I meant on a core style-sheet, and what does bump mean?
C
On Aug 19, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Lea de Groot wrote:
On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:14:46 -0700, Chris Kennon wrote:
Should this rule:
html, body{
height:100%;
}
be a default on each page, like
* {
margin:0;
padding: 0;
}
What a great Friday afternoon question!
I haven't yet had to use that on my pages and I, too, am interested in
people's opinion.
(In other words 'bump' ;))
warmly.
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[WSG] Revealing the Header Contents
http://ckimedia.com/bushido_fall/index_03_headFloat.htm The url above has a sword as a background for the header. I'm attempting to reveal the right side of the header background without placing the header outside of the page-container. I was able to reveal the entire header with a -103px margin, it works in FF. Can someone offer a solution that will hold in IE and Safari 2.0? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Spec box and leaders
Hi, Looks like tabular data, so you could use a table without incurring the wrath of the CSS deities. C On Aug 18, 2005, at 4:28 PM, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? I have a ton of specs to place on a web page and I'm baffled as how to do this with XHTML and CSS. A quick example below. I do this all the time in InDesign and Quark but this is a first for me on the web. Can it be done or does someone have a better thought process? Gear Ratios: 1st...3.59 2nd..2.19 3rd..1.41 4th..1.00 5th..0.83 Reverse3.16 Any help will be greatly appreciated! wayne Wayne Godfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Revealing the Header Contents[Solution Question]
Hi, I've resolved the issue without having to remove the header from the content div, and without having to change the width of the container. The question is how, mathematically was I able to expand the header to 700px within the container 0f 498px? On Aug 18, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Chris Kennon wrote: http://ckimedia.com/bushido_fall/index_03_headFloat.htm The url above has a sword as a background for the header. I'm attempting to reveal the right side of the header background without placing the header outside of the page-container. I was able to reveal the entire header with a -103px margin, it works in FF. Can someone offer a solution that will hold in IE and Safari 2.0? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Spec box and leaders
A great solution. On Aug 18, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Lea de Groot wrote: On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 19:28:50 -0400, Wayne Godfrey wrote: Is there a way to make leaders for use in an automotive Specifications box? I used this method recently and was very happy with the results: http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001622.php warmly, Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - http://elysiansystems.com/ Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] iframes
Hi, What is the consensus of iframes? I've heard they've been deprecated, could some point me to articles on their impact on accessibility? C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] RE: Hot Topic: HTML design
Hi, Wasn't quite articulating this prior to your reply but the PHP includes and serving the correct doctype, with PHP are true boons to smaller sites attempting semanticity. On Aug 15, 2005, at 10:25 PM, Rei Paki wrote: Paul Separating core content from other structural content was constantly bugging me until I started to use PHP includes. This works particularly well for smaller sites. The great thing about this method is the ability to place all elements (such as navigation, headers, footers, etc) in separate files away from the individual page's unique content. At the time the page is requested from the server, the elements are combined and draw the page style from the CSS file you specify. This way, you get the benefit of easy updates (as you only change one file), as well as the separation of design (CSS) and 'structural content' from the page's unique content. Unfortunately for the most part we're stuck with the limitations of HTML until the most popular browser starts being a bit more accommodating. Apologies for the previous reply. Rei Paki ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] No Preload Rollover Issue
Hi, At the following url: (http://ckimedia.com/bushido_fall/index.htm) there's trouble with the no-preloader rollovers, the a state is fine except hiding the over state, also having issues getting the a:hover state into the same position. I've looked over several tutorials, but am still stuck at this point. Thanks in advance, C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] No Preload Rollover Issue
They don't line-up in safari 2.0 either I having issues with hiding the :hover state. On Aug 10, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Kenny Graham wrote: Not sure exactly what you're wanting it to do. If you want it to hide the images until you move the mouse over them, then it works in decent browsers, but they don't line up in IE. Is that the problem you're talking about? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] No Preload Rollover Issue[solved]
Hi, Step away for lunch, upon returning, this solution seems to have worked, is this a cross-platform solution? C On Aug 10, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Chris Kennon wrote: They don't line-up in safari 2.0 either I having issues with hiding the :hover state. On Aug 10, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Kenny Graham wrote: Not sure exactly what you're wanting it to do. If you want it to hide the images until you move the mouse over them, then it works in decent browsers, but they don't line up in IE. Is that the problem you're talking about? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Styling Form Elements
Hi, Found this article on styling form elements (http://www.picment.com/ articles/css/funwithforms/), unfortunately, it fails in Safari. Any suggestions or filters for making a suitable presentation in Safari? C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Review Please - www.SalmonRecipes.Net
Hi, Don't have time to nit-pick, going for Salmon. You've certainly achieved your marketing goals! C On Aug 2, 2005, at 3:46 AM, David Nicol wrote: Hello everyone, I would really appreciate your comments about our recently redeveloped http://www.salmonrecipes.net/ site. Please do not be scared to be critical. I'm keen to improve the site in any way possible, so please let me know what you think we could do better. FYI, I'm not convinced that the search functionality is as usable as it could be - I'd appreciate your ideas and opinions about this matter. (However, I'll also understand if this usability issue is maybe outwith the scope of this list). OK - thanks in advance. Kind regards David ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Default Character Encoding
Hi, I opened a blank CSS document in Dreamweaver, this was inserted at the beginning: @charset utf-8; I get that it's importing the utf-8 character set, is this needed in the CSS document? C ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Default Character Encoding
Hi, When is the at rule needed, other than @import, I understand. But @page @media @charset. I've never seen them used in practical settings? C On Aug 2, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Patrick Lauke wrote: Leslie Riggs I opened a blank CSS document in Dreamweaver, this was inserted at the beginning: @charset utf-8; I get that it's importing the utf-8 character set, is this needed in the CSS document? I don't use that; I declare the character encoding in the webpage. The @charset rule is used to define the encoding of the CSS file, not of the webpage - unless you meant adding the charset to the link, a la link rel=stylesheet type=text/css charset=utf-8 ... / In general, the best solution (as with mechanisms to define the charset of (x)HTML documents) is to set up the webserver to sent the correct content type header. I.e. make sure your server is not saying this is a CSS file in ISO-8859-1 when in fact you've used UTF-8. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/syndata.html#q23 Patrick __ Patrick H. Lauke Webmaster / University of Salford http://www.salford.ac.uk __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?
Hi, An example of this structure would prove enlightening. C On Aug 1, 2005, at 3:16 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: you score more points with Cynthia with explicit labels. Explicit relationships means you can have more than one label for a form control... and yes, you are allowed to do that. If it works with the visual design I usually use an explicit and implicit relationship. kind regards Terrence Wood. On 2 Aug 2005, at 9:56 AM, Kenny Graham wrote: As far as I know, they're both the same. The benefit of explicit labels is the freedom of where you place them in your HTML. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?
On Aug 1, 2005, at 7:02 PM, Terrence Wood wrote: Do you mean for using more than one label for a form? Note the explicit and implicit relationship of the second label. !-- snip, later in the page -- This would be explicit? label for=fooFoo And this implied? input type=text id=foo name=foo / /input ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] implicit / explicit labels which is better?
Hi, Thanks, the belt and brace approach being most secure? C On Aug 1, 2005, at 7:43 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: The belt and braces approach when using labels is to make the label both explicit (via for) *and* implicit (by wrapping the control in the label) label for=fooexplicit and implicit label input type=text id=foo name=foo //label ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] A Fixed Understanding
Hi,
Making sure I have grokked the CSS-P property-fixed, when an element
is fixed it is removed from the normal document flow and positioned
relative to its containing element, and does not scroll when the
document is? In the following example:
div#a would be removed from the normal flow and positioned relative
to the div#container, and would not move when the document is scrolled.
style type=text/css media=screen
div#container{
margin: 0 auto;
width: 500px;
border: 1px dotted black;
}
div#a, div#b, div#c{
width: 100px;
height: 100px;
border: 1px solid black;
}
div#a{
background-color: red;
position: fixed;
}
div#b{
background-color: green;
position: relative;
top: 20px;
right: 50px;
left: 50px;
}
div#c{
background-color: blue;
}
/style
/head
body
div id=container
div id=apThis is DIV a/p/div
div id=bpThis is DIV b/p/div
div id=cpThis is DIV C/p/div
div id=typepLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing
elit, sed diamesent luptatum zzril delenit augue duis dolore te
feugait nulla.
/p
pLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed diam
nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam erat
/p
pLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed diam
nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam
/p
pLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed diam
nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam era
/p
pLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed diam
nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam erat
/p
/div
/div
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Re: [WSG] A Fixed Understanding
Hi,
If it is positioned relative to the viewport, why does it stay
confined within the container?
C
On Jul 27, 2005, at 9:08 AM, Choan C. Gálvez wrote:
Chris Kennon escribió:
Hi,
Making sure I have grokked the CSS-P property-fixed, when an
element is fixed it is removed from the normal document flow and
positioned relative to its containing element,
Not exactly. It's positioned relative to the viewport. Every other
point is correct.
Regards,
Choan
and does not scroll when the document is? In the following example:
div#a would be removed from the normal flow and positioned
relative to the div#container, and would not move when the
document is scrolled.
style type=text/css media=screen
div#container{
margin: 0 auto;
width: 500px;
border: 1px dotted black;
}
div#a, div#b, div#c{
width: 100px;
height: 100px;
border: 1px solid black;
}
div#a{
background-color: red;
position: fixed;
}
div#b{
background-color: green;
position: relative;
top: 20px;
right: 50px;
left: 50px;
}
div#c{
background-color: blue;
}
/style
/head
body
div id=container
div id=apThis is DIV a/p/div
div id=bpThis is DIV b/p/div
div id=cpThis is DIV C/p/div
div id=typepLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer
adipiscing elit, sed diamesent luptatum zzril delenit augue duis
dolore te feugait nulla.
/p
pLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed
diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna
aliquam erat
/p
pLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed
diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam
/p
pLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed
diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna
aliquam era
/p
pLorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit, sed
diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna
aliquam erat
/p
/div
/div
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Re: [WSG] A Fixed Understanding
Hi,
Thanks, where I got confused is with the static attribute which
does not take top, right, bottom and left values(http://
www.w3schools.com/css/pr_class_position.asp). So if an item is not
positioned when using fixed, it is fixed relative to its
containing element?
On Jul 27, 2005, at 10:40 AM, Choan C. Gálvez wrote:
div#a {
position: fixed;
top: 100px; /* or 0 */
left: 100px; /* or 0 */
}
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Re: [WSG] Site Check: Broadleaf
Hi, The background image only renders across 3/4 of the viewport in Safari 2.0. On Jul 24, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Tatham Oddie ((Fuel Advance)) wrote: Hi all, I’ve just placed the first page of a new site on our test-drive server: http://testdrive.fueladvance.com/Broadleaf/ Which is a redo of: http://www.broadleaf.com.au/ There is also a mock up which shows how it is meant to look: http://fueladvance.com/broadleaf/HomePagePreview.jpg I have tested in IE6 and FF1.0.6PC and it seems to work fine. If a few of you could take a look in other browsers that’d be great. Also, any design / coding suggestions would be greatly appreciated. J Thanks, Tatham Oddie Fuel Advance - Ignite Your Idea www.fueladvance.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Learning The DOM
Hi, The question was inspired by the article :) C On Jul 18, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Jeremy Keith wrote: By a bizarre cosmic coincidence, you've posed this question on the very day that the Web Standards Project announces the DOM Scripting Task Force: ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Sliding Panels[corrected URL]
Hi, The following shows the correct request: (http://www.siteexperts.com/tips/techniques/panels/page1.asp) The example works in Safari and IE but fails in FF. Many Pardons and Thanks, C On Jul 14, 2005, at 3:14 PM, Nick Gleitzman wrote: On 15 Jul 2005, at 4:34 AM, Chris Kennon wrote: Has anyone a sliding panel solution, such as this(http:// www.siteexperts.com/tips/techniques), that is cross-browser and standards compliant ? Your sample: Directory Listing Denied. This Virtual Directory does not allow contents to be listed. But try Doug Bowman's Sliding Doors: http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors/ and http://www.alistapart.com/articles/slidingdoors2/ N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] bitstream
Hi, While googling on the link rel=# subject posted yesterday, I found this: (http://www.truedoc.com/webpages/intro/index.html) Has anyone used this service if so what is the consensus, barring the in-line styling of the font tags of course? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] REL REV
Hi, Almost grokked, so if I have the following sections: Home, About, Photos, Contact, Portfolio Would this structure be correct and needed: From index page: link rel=next href=./about.html / link rel=next href=./photos.html / link rel=next href=./contact.html / link rel=next href=./portfolio.html / From contact page: link rev=previous rel =home href=./index.html / link rev=previous rel =about href=./about.html / On Jul 12, 2005, at 5:02 PM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: After pouring over endless minutiae, if yet to grasp when and how to use link rel= link rev= after having seen it numerous times, peering at the code of many respected sites. Right...first of all, I think that out of the two only rel is most commonly used, as rev does seem to cause weird logic conundrums and is not really necessary in most simple situations. The HTML 4 spec states: rel = link-types [CI] This attribute describes the relationship from the current document to the anchor specified by the href attribute. The value of this attribute is a space-separated list of link types. rev = link-types [CI] This attribute is used to describe a reverse link from the anchor specified by the href attribute to the current document. The value of this attribute is a space-separated list of link types. http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/struct/links.html#adef-rel To give an (hopefully clearer) example: say you have documents that make up a sequence, like separate chapters in a book where each document is a chapter, and you want to define the relationship between them with LINK elements to say which is previous and which is next in the set. Document1 has a link rel=next to Document2 - Document2 has a relationship with me in that it's the next document in the set Document2 has (although nobody does this) a link rev=next to Document1 - I have a relationship with Document1 in that *I* am Document1's next document in the set Document2 also has a normal link rel=previous to Document1 - Document1 is my previous document in the set which is reciprocated in Document1 with a link rev=previous to Document2 - I am Document2's previous document in the set You see, the rev is basically used to reciprocate what the rel in the other document said. For simple relationships like this, it's fairly straightforward...but it can start being complicated when one document is the glossary and it needs to rev to any page that rels to it (every page would have a single link rel=glossary, but the glossary page itself would have a link rev=glossary for every single page that references it with a rel...madness) In practice, I have never encountered revs in the wild. Hope this makes some kind of sense... -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] REL REV
Hi, Thanks, good stuff, the page does cut-off after the first diagram in Safari 2.0 On Jul 13, 2005, at 10:37 AM, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Chris Kennon wrote: After pouring over endless minutiae, if yet to grasp when and how to use link rel= link rev= after having seen it numerous times, peering at the code of many respected sites. If you want to make real world use of link rel=, then this page may actually tell you how to do it. http://www.literarymoose.info/-/item/depth-of-sequential- navigation/category/site-design ...use a good browser ;-) regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Visited Link Styling
Hi,
Strike-through styling for visited links, I've heard differing
opinions on this method, but am asking the consensus of the WSG.
a:visited { text-decoration: line-through; }
CK
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Re: [WSG] Visited Link Styling
Hi,
The following article inspired the question:
http://webdesign.maratz.com/lab/visited_links_styling/
CK
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willing is not enough, you must do.
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On Jun 30, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Drake, Ted C. wrote:
I don't remember where I borrowed this from, kudos to the original
designer.
Sorry that my notes have gotten lost.
It applies a nice checkmark to your visited link
a:visited:after {
color: #039;
font-weight: normal;
content: \00A0\221A;
font-size: 75%;
}
Ted
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Visited Link Styling
This is less of a standards question and more usability.
There may be some users that think that the link was deactivated (and
therefore not able to be used again) when it has a strike through.
However,
the question would be best resolved with user testing rather than
hunches.
:)
Russ
Hi,
Strike-through styling for visited links, I've heard differing
opinions on this method, but am asking the consensus of the WSG.
a:visited { text-decoration: line-through; }
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Re: [WSG] Will HTML be nicer to PHP than XHTML?
Hi This could prove immensely helpful: http://loadaveragezero.com/vnav/labs/PHP/ G/L Chris On Jun 27, 2005, at 2:31 PM, Roberto Gorj Olá a todos! I’ve read Ian Hickson and Stuart Langridge objections to the use of XHTML without serving it as application/xhtml+xml. I also read the article “WaSP Asks the W3C” (http://www.webstandards.org/learn/ askw3c/sep2003.html) and I decided that I sure am not going to create two versions of my sites just for the sake of serving XHTML as it should to browsers which can understand it, as suggested at the W3C tutorial about “Content-Negotiation” (http://www.w3.org/ 2003/01/xhtml-mimetype/content-negotiation). Anyway, I noticed that many of you use XHTML and I sure was beginning to enjoy using it myself, and it seemed to me a good way to practice for the inevitable future… is it? I mean: a good way to practice, as I believe that XML is the inevitable future… I’m initiating now my study on PHP and MySQL and I read some objections about using XHTML with PHP… Will XHTML interfere with my learning of PHP? Would it be a good idea to stick with good old plain HTML? Obrigado! Roberto ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Selectors
Hi, After reading this most informative article: http://juicystudio.com/article/div-mania.php My anger with MS, particularly IE, deluged again. So I ask has this browser moved from the dark ages, allowing use of the following: Child Selectors Adjacent Sibling Selectors Attribute Selectors Or should I take a brisk power walk until the ager ebbs away? CK ___ An ideal is merely the projection, on an enormously enlarged scale, of some aspect of personality. -- Aldus Huxley ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Grids and Standards Design
Hi, As enthusiastic as I'm about the following title, the nagging reservations about its relation to standards design begs this question. How useful is the study of these specific grids in relation to the fluid goals of Standards based design? Link: The Grid: A Modular System for the Design and Production of Newspapers, Magazines, and Books (Design Graphic Design) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0442239661/ qid=1118953343/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-1365210-3711235?v=glances=books ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] FOUC Safari 2.0
Hi, Has anyone any idea if the FOUC in Safari 2.0 is remedied with similar methods to IE? CK ___ An ideal is merely the projection, on an enormously enlarged scale, of some aspect of personality. Aldus Huxley ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] em vs i
Hi, I recall some controversy surrounding when to use em and i, could someone clarify proper use? CK __ Knowing is not enough, you must apply; willing is not enough, you must do. ---Bruce Lee ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] em vs i
Hi, Any reference on this? On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Ben Curtis wrote: for example when you are italicizing foreign words, book titles, ship names, or other things that are typically italicized but not emphasized. Also although I've googled I know from one or Russ' must reads a noted xhtml/css person wrote a blog entryem vsi and a few other semantic mark-up topics. this topic, does someone have a URL(URI)? ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Issue with CSS, Flash and FireFox
Hi, Also some issues with the navigation sliding of the plate in Safari 2.0. G/L C On Jun 2, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Jeff wrote: Hello to All, I have a slight issue that is driving me batty. I am unable to get my flash/shockwave file to behave in FireFox. In FF, the flash file lays on top of the footer, but in IE, it stays where it is suppose to be. Here is the url to the work in progress, which works well for IE. http://www.kustom.com/Kustom2005/index.htm Any solutions that help me better understand the slight differences and how to overcome them in the future will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Jeff D. Reid MIS Dept. HHI Music Cincinnati, OH, USA ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
