Re: [WSG] google and validation
Care to tell us what exactly the validator tells you is wrong? /Svip 2008/10/18 designer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all, A client wants a link to google maps to shows where a property is located (there are 30+ properties, so 30+ pages with links to google maps). The trouble is, the pages no longer validate because of the url needed to get to the map. An example is: a href= http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=qhl=engeocode=q=pl28+8jsie=UTF8ll=50.524341,-5.02367spn=0.017789,0.038624t=hz=15 Just changing the 's to amp;'s doesn't seem to do it . . . I feel sure someone has encountered this, and overcome it? Thanks, Bob *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] labels as input wrappers + h6 in place of legend
2008/10/16 David Dorward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jason Grant wrote:
Ok you got both of these quite wrong for following reasons:
In the first instance you shouldn't use b or br / at all.
In the second instance you should not wrap input into label as the
label should quite clearly be used for denoting a label of an input
field and not the input field itself.
Not so:
When [the for attribute is] absent, the label being defined is
associated with the element's contents.
Which it isn't in the original example provided, the *for* attribute is
provided.
In addition, there is no need to use the li elements around the input
elements, as you can use the display: option in CSS to make them appear like
a list, which is probably what you want, and not going through the hassle of
adding the list HTML elements. Since it is technically not a list.
My suggestion would be something to the content of:
fieldset
*legend //h6 /
*label for=name
input type=text id=name /
*etc...
*/fieldset
CSS:
label, input {
float: left;
clear: left;
}
Or, alternatively;
label, input {
display: list-element;
}
Or just mess around with it. Dude...
Also, no one has yet to answer the original question. And my suggestion is
no, because legend can easily be configured via CSS to look and appear
exactly as h6. So there.
/Svip
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Re: [WSG] Accessible menu lists - using the pipe character as separator?
How about a list of links? If you want a separator, use some CSS styles. But for what you are asking, you are probably looking for an ul list. Regards, Svip 2008/9/27 Daisy Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello all I can't seem to find a definitive answer on this via Google - is it best practice to use something like the pipe character ( | ) to separate links in a menu so that screenreader software pauses between the list items? Any recommended articles dealing with accessible menus in general? Daisy *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Uppercase Tag Names
2008/9/26 James Jeffery [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am at university at the moment, and they said to use uppercase text for tag names and lowercase for attributes. I have to do it because otherwise I will lose a mark. I disagreed (because it makes the source hard to read) but he said you need to so that you can conform to HTML 4.01. I think this a case of someone reading far to deep into the specs. I didn't really want to argue with him because he assumes I know nothing. I do know that the source code has become difficult to read using that method. I may sound a bit rebel, but if it was up to me, I would tell him to get out of the 90s, screw the mark. Then again, I have some very strange morals and such. Beliefs, I suppose you can call them. However, if I can thoroughly argue for my case, I'd do it. And usually I can. And I don't think the standard actually says you should write the tag names in uppercase, in fact, as far as I recall W3C suggests the exact opposite, *also* for HTML 4.01. Regards, Svip *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] how to use images and text in a menue
Try style=background:url(images/home.png) no-repeat top left; width:
imagewidthpx; height: imageheightpx; for the first a.
I'd probably do something like this:
lia href=# id=home-linkHome/a/li
Then in CSS:
#home-link {
background: url(images/home.png) no-repeat top left;
width: WIDTHpx;
height: HEIGHTpx;
overflow: hidden;
padding-top: HEIGHTpx;
}
That way, people using a graphical browser won't see the text, but
people using a text-based browser and search engines will see the
text. Of course, you could just use alt= in the img / tag, but
that is not pretty either.
Regards,
Svip
2008/8/28 Michael Horowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
How would people suggest if I have a menu with an image on top and text
underneath and I want both the text and the image as a link
I'm thinking of making them link items and use css to move the image on top
of the text. Does that sound semantically correct.
lia href=#img src=images/home.png //a /li
lia href=#HOME/a/li
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Michael Horowitz
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Re: [WSG] iphone should not be part of your url
I see where you're coming from, but let's not forget that the iPhone's browser is (as of right now) the largest mobile browser, in the fashion, that it is basically the same browser you get on your computer. That means that you can create pages a bit differently for the iPhone, in contrast to other devices. However, that being said, I still agree with you. I'd prefer a more ambiguous term, e.g. old-mobile.domain.com and new-mobile.domain.com. Or maybe something technical specific. Then use iphone.domain.com to redirect there or something. Regards, Svip 2008/7/20 Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Matthew Pennell skrev: To that end, you either sniff for devices and/or serve mobile content on a different URL. Yes, but if iphone is part of your URL, what does that say to people using Nokia, Sony-E, LG or any other smartphone? And what about Opera Mini, Opera Mobile, MSIE Mobile (OK forget that one) and Fennec? Designing - with reduced content - for small screens? Yes! Take into consideration that Safari on the iPhone lacks a cursor (you can't even select text, I've been told!) and a pointer (which is a feature, not a bug...) Yes. Designing for specific devices - including naming your URL? No! Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] iphone should not be part of your url
When I say the largest mobile browser, I mean the browser that can handle more content and layouts on a mobile device than any other. I have seen plenty of mobile phone browsers. I admit Opera Mini is great, but the Safari on the iPhone does give you the full experience as you would on your laptop/desktop. Now, personally, I don't mind sites specifically for mobile devices, cause they are lower in content, which is something you'd like on a mobile device, due to the limitations of the screen and the cost of transfer. But while I realise that 3G is limited in the US, there is no place yet where the mobile device industry is developed enough to allow for full blown websites on mobile devices. Which I believe is Apple taking a step too early. Regards, Svip P.S. I live in Denmark. 2008/7/20 Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Svip skrev: I see where you're coming from, but let's not forget that the iPhone's browser is (as of right now) the largest mobile browser, in the fashion, that it is basically the same browser you get on your computer. The good thing about the iPhone is that suddenly USA is getting to know the mobile web. The bad thing is that USA seems to believe that the mobile web = iPhone. In Scandinavia, where I live, most people are *not* that impressed with the iPhone, nor is it the largest mobile browser. We have been surfing the web on our 3G phones for quite some time now. But we welcome all (US) Americans to the 21st century! Lars Gunther (who probably will get himself a Nokia N96 when it comes out, and even today would take an N95 over the iPhone) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] iphone should not be part of your url
Lars, I think you're forgetting an important thing though. The iPhone's Safari is very different from Safari on an iMac or Opera Mini on another mobile 3G device. Point is, while Apple will tell you the Safari on the iPhone is like the Safari you get on your iMac or MacBook, it is still limited by the small screen. So while it still is kilometres ahead of the other devices as to what its browser can deliver, it is still a completely different experience than that of Safari on the computer. Therefore, I think it is not that silly to name there be currently 2 common devices to interact with a website from, and the mobile category has a subcategory of the advance level browsing that is the iPhone's Safari. But... let's not forget that sometimes developing apps for specific browsers is done purely by the intention of abilities this browser applies. On several projects I don't care if it doesn't work in anything else but Firefox. Regards Svip 2008/7/20 Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ben Dodson skrev: I don't personally have a problem with having iphone in a URL as it is generally used for applications that are very specific to the iphone. It is 1998 and I am developing an application that is very specific to MSIE... A strategy proved bad! IMO this is *exactly* the reasoning that J. Zeldman, Steve Champeon et al protested against. A protest that started and defined the web standards movement. Yes, perhaps there should be versions for other devices (e.g. Nokia) but the reality is that most developers won't bother making specific sites for these users and instead use a generic mobile stylesheet. No there should not be versions for Nokias or Sony-E's or LG's or any other device. What we perhaps need, though, is a graded browser support chart, like Yahoo has for desktop apps. The difference with the iPhone is that it's the latest bandwagon in town and that the majority of iPhone owners will use the internet on the phone (whereas the majority of Nokia phone owners won't use the web browser on the phone). The difference is that Nokia et al makes several different kinds of phones, not all are smartphones. Every single smartphone owner I know uses the web browser on the phone and has been doing it for quite a few years. It is great that the iPhone has made people aware of the mobile web, and lowered the threshold for some to use it. But as developers we should not care about the present, but the present and the future! Locking ourselves in to one device is not a strategy for the future, even if iPhone shows up as the leading mobile device in usage stats today. Remember, there once was a time when MSIE was so dominant that as a web developer it made sense in many ways to develop MSIE only web sites! It also has a very specific style and so companies will try and cater to this (e.g. the facebook web app was designed to look like a native iPhone application). That I predict is a fad that will quickly go away. Site owners will soon see the benefits of designing for the brand of the website, rather than the brand of the device it is accessed from. Of course, now there is the App store and the ability to run third party applications, I'm sure a lot of these iPhone specific websites will disappear as the developers move to offering a built in solution. Hopefully you are right. Off topic: The fact that people will jubilantly welcome a solution that means they are getting locked in to a single vendor is also beyond my understanding... And I am not a Mac hater. I use Macs (as well as Windows and Linux) and listen with delight to my iPod. Lars Gunter *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] iphone should not be part of your url
2008/7/20 David Storey [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is incredibly short sighted. Comments inline, plus one comment to an earlier mail: let's not forget that the iPhone's browser is (as of right now) the largest mobile browser, Not true. Opera Mini has more active users per week than iPhones that exist on the market. Apple may have superior marketing, get a lot of free advertising and are beloved by developers (I myself use a Mac and own a iPod), but they are not the number one mobile browser. They may be one day due to some of the things mentioned above, along with the iPhone being a great piece of hardware and software, but not currently, and Opera Mini continues to rise at a very healthy rate. You misunderstood me, by larger I was not referring to user base, I was referring to the display content. Opera Mini does not give the same amount of full blown content as the iPhone's Safari browser does. Not that I care about that, cause I don't think I'd need that on a mobile device yet. On 20 Jul 2008, at 17:38, Svip wrote: Lars, I think you're forgetting an important thing though. The iPhone's Safari is very different from Safari on an iMac or Opera Mini on another mobile 3G device. Point is, while Apple will tell you the Safari on the iPhone is like the Safari you get on your iMac or MacBook, it is still limited by the small screen. So while it still is kilometres ahead of the other devices as to what its browser can deliver, it is still a completely different experience than that of Safari on the computer. Again not true. Take the HTC Touch Diamond. It has both a superior screen resolution, and similar hardware specs, and a full HTML browser (Opera Mobile 9.5) with arguably greater standards compliance. Opera Mobile 9.5 has basically the same rendering engine as Opera 9.5 on desktop. Opera has been developing mobile browsers for years, and has a lot of that know how in the current generation of the browser. And unlike Mini it has a full JavaScript implementation. I was not aware of Opera Mobile, so I admit I was uniformed. Therefore, I think it is not that silly to name there be currently 2 common devices to interact with a website from, and the mobile category has a subcategory of the advance level browsing that is the iPhone's Safari. That would be short sighed to do that, like saying one should give a more advanced version of a site to IE in ye olde days. As well as the Diamond I mentioned before, there is an entire class of devices that have similar to better specs than the iPhone that can run a similar to more advanced web browser. Samsung i900 is another example that Opera Mobile 9.5 is running on with the same touch screen style form factor and post 500mhz processor. Ignoring Windows Mobile that 9.5 currently runs on, there is S60, such as the N96 which runs another WebKit browser with the same engine as mobile safari. Ignoring mobile all together, what about things like games consoles? The Nintendo Wii browser was very popular for Opera. There could be any hit portable (or not portable) device that could come out at any time, with a first class browser and user experience. Designing just for iphone misses out on that opportunity. It is fantastic for lock in though (look what mess that has got us in on the regular desktop web - just ask the IE team and all the issues they are having trying not to break content aimed for their legacy browser versions). I actually have to agree with that. But... let's not forget that sometimes developing apps for specific browsers is done purely by the intention of abilities this browser applies. On several projects I don't care if it doesn't work in anything else but Firefox. Says it all really... You've never heard about having fun? I don't make useful applications for the web. Regards Svip 2008/7/20 Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ben Dodson skrev: I don't personally have a problem with having iphone in a URL as it is generally used for applications that are very specific to the iphone. It is 1998 and I am developing an application that is very specific to MSIE... A strategy proved bad! IMO this is *exactly* the reasoning that J. Zeldman, Steve Champeon et al protested against. A protest that started and defined the web standards movement. Yes, perhaps there should be versions for other devices (e.g. Nokia) but the reality is that most developers won't bother making specific sites for these users and instead use a generic mobile stylesheet. No there should not be versions for Nokias or Sony-E's or LG's or any other device. What we perhaps need, though, is a graded browser support chart, like Yahoo has for desktop apps. The difference with the iPhone is that it's the latest bandwagon in town and that the majority of iPhone owners will use the internet on the phone (whereas the majority of Nokia phone owners won't use the web browser on the phone
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems'
I believe this problem has always exited in Firefox. Though, I have no idea why... /me strokes beard. Regards, Svip 2008/6/24 Matijs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: script src=yourscript.js type=text/javascript/script works script src=yourscript.js type=text/javascript / doesn't On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 11:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an example of this behaviour? Not quite sure I follow the issue... Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken McInnes Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:55 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Firefox 3 and script tag 'problems' G'day all, Just a quick 'heads up' on Firefox 3 rendering compared with Firefox 2 rendering. If you 'self-close' a script element in the head, the validators will not pick it up as a problem - is is well formed xml (element is self-closed) and - it is validly placed (correctly placed within the 'head') *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Firefox 3 candidate
It will replace it, unless you backup your Firefox 2 client and move it somewhere where Firefox 3 cannot get to it. /Svip 2008/6/18 Paul Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if it will replace your version of Firefox 2, or will it run side by side?! Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] html vs. html
If W3C says so, I cannot see why at all. Who said a file extension should be 3 characters long? Microsoft!? Hah, don't make me laugh, just because they thought people wouldn't be able to have filenames longer than 8 characters and 3 characters for file extensions (known as the 8.3 system). People have later assumed that that is the norm. But file types like torrents (.torrent) have proven that it doesn't have to be the case. In my opinion, I prefer .html over .htm, cause the technology is called HTML, not HTM, huh? Regards, Svip 2008/6/18 Rob Enslin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi peeps, I recently started noticing that our CMS system generated .htm pages where previously the system produced .html pages. I questioned the support staff and was told that the W3C deemed .html as non-standard file extensions (or rather .htm were more-widely accepted as the standard) Is this true? Any thoughts? Cheers, Rob -- Rob Enslin Blog: http://enslin.co.uk Twitter: http://twitter.com/robenslin *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Stumped need suggestions - how to highlight two links at once
I don't think you understand what we are talking about here entirely.
At first I was going to advice against it, but then I studied the
image he supplied and realised that there may be something about it.
Now personally, I am not for making something else move elsewhere on a
page, unless your intention is to confuse the viewer. Cause I think
that's what will happen here.
Just keep the links separated. The only connection is the already
constructed one via the colours of the lists.
But tell me, why is Blood Sugar highlighted on the left, but does not
appear in the focused list?
Regards,
Svip
P.S. I apologise for the sloppy English, but my head is a mess today.
2008/6/4 Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
First off, I'd question the usefulness of this. The disjointed relationship
between the links would merely confuse the user.
It would be really ugly to do this but here you go
li class=disjointedmessa href=/ id=bloodp Blood
PressurespanBlood Pressure/span/a/li
In your style sheet, you'd give position relative to the main container.
.disjointedmess a span {display:block; position:absolute; top:450px;
left:350px;}
.disjointedmess #bloodp span {top:500px;}
As I said, this is really ugly and I would recommend against it. Actually,
scrap the whole mess. If you really, really, really need to do this,
JavaScript is the only solution.
My head is starting to swirl.
Ted
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Likely, James A.
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 4:34 PM
To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: [WSG] Stumped need suggestions - how to highlight two links at once
Hello,
I need help/suggestions.
Want to highlight two links at once if you rollover on of them. I attached
an example to make things easier.
Basically if you rollover the risks on the right side of the page, the same
link would highlight in the left navigation. I am able to get this working
using target and hover if they are in the same li but as you can see that
would not be the case for this. I am stumped and not sure where to look.
Does any one have any suggestions on how this could be done while keeping
web standards in mind?
Thanks for the help!
James
hrascreen.jpg
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Re: [WSG] innerHTML assignment overflows TD cell in FF
I think the entire problem here is the purely thought up structure.
With JS, you shouldn't be parsing HTML at all, you should be working
at DOM levelling, which means that you need to use
createElement/TextNode and appendChild rather than innerHTML.
Yes, that means that the PHP must ship the HTML in a way easily
parse-able for the JS, e.g. as some external XML or some generated JS
which already contains the entire creation of the HTML. Besides, if
I recall correctly, PHP5 has a built in XMLparser, so you could easily
just write the HTML as you used to, and then parse it into XML
elements, and then make a shipper.
Alternative, and probably the method with the best result, don't apply
HTML tags at all with JS, just apply the content. Why isn't the div
element already in the td? Oh and, how is PHP going to change the
page at all now that it has been served? Through AJAX? But if you're
already going that way, why not try shipping the HTML code as XML
through AJAX instead? Much easier parse-able.
Regards,
Svip
2008/5/30 Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
And the node looks like this:
div id=newsnode!!main_content!!/div
Try this:
var maincontent=document.getElementById('newsnode');
maincontent.firstChild.data=Hello World!;
That is not changing the content of the div tag,
or anything on the screen.
It should. What happens when you run the following in the Firebug console?
$('newsnode').firstChild.data=Hello World!;
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Regards,
Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com
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Re: [WSG] Fwd: using fieldsets and legends (outside a form) for adding structural markup
What if your fieldset is intended for an AJAX application? And thus will not require a form (as your data is not sent through the form, but is picked up by javascript)? Indeed, my opinion is that a fieldset should only contain form elements, but not necessarily be inside a form tag. I do disagree with Julián's approach. Also, if I may add, strong should only be used as an inline element (you cannot really compare hN with strong, headlines are block elements, while strong is inline) and only in a case where you have a strong point to make, and not a replacement for making bold text. Regards, Svip 2008/5/20 Jason Grant [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Julian, If you are unsure about what an HTML tag is there for, look up in the W3C specs. http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-FIELDSET It is pretty clear to me there that fieldset element exists for the purpose of grouping form elements together, and not for other purposes. It aids accessibility and overall meaning of (larger) forms. Hence I would strongly argue that fieldset should not be used outside a form and should not be used for purposes of styling for we have CSS. Hope this helps. Regards, Jason www.flexewebs.com www.flexewebs.wordpress.com www.twitter.com/flexewebs www.facebook.com/pages/London/Flexewebs/11264349395 On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Julián Landerreche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A workmate come with this idea, which then I have searched on web and haven't found too much information about it, but this: [1] and [2]. The idea: using fieldset and legend for adding structural markup/labes [3]. It seems that using fieldsets _outside_ forms doesn't make the code to invalidate. Also, in HTML 4.01, legend is required, but optional in XHTML. Currently, I like the approach of adding structural markup using a heading (hn class=structural) even just a simple strong class=structural, and if necessary, hide them by CSS I borrowed the idea from NetRelations.se and 456bereastreet.com. Example: div id=main-nav strong class=structuralMain navigation/strong !-- or hnMain navigation/hn -- ul liaSection 1/a/li liaSection 2/a/li liaSection 3/a/li /ul /div So, applying fieldset and legend this could be rewritten like this: fieldset id=main-nav legend class=structuralMain navigation/legend ul liaSection 1/a/li liaSection 2/a/li liaSection 3/a/li /ul /fieldset Another example: a list of actions (that are in fact, simple links, so, it's just another navigation) where it could make even more sense. fieldset id=actions legend class=structuralYou can do the following/legend ul liaCreate/a/li liaDelete/a/li liaEdit/a/li /ul /fieldset Putting aside anything related to CSS styling (legends could be difficult to style, but aren't really difficult to hide using display:none; although using position: absolute; left:-px could be better for accesibility, but that positioning method on legends has inconsistencies across browsers): 1. Could there be accessibility issues using fieldset/legend outside a form? 2. Or could this method enhance the accessibility (in fact, structural labels enhance accessibility)? 3. Is there any other research/resource that can add some light on this? Thanks. Julián. [1] http://www.opendesigns.org/forum/discussion/2047/ [2] http://drupal.org/node/233928 [3] http://www.usability.com.au/resources/source-order.cfm *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Full flash websites
I say avoid flash whenever possible. Sometimes, however, it isn't. I am just waiting for SVG to get more widely in use. That is going to be... awesome! Flash is good for use on sites on YouTube. Other things? Nah. HTML and JavaScript can easily replace flash in many many cases. Regards, Svip 2008/5/5 Michael Persson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The company I worl with has a big love for full flash websites and we have produced some very nice but heavy and slow ones. What do you people, professionals and hobby standardists think about full flash websites?? where is the usability and accessibility for flash in general?? I am personally and professionally against them as they cut of the usabiity, have bad accessibility and for me the navigation most often i very difficult and difficult to use. Michael Persson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: R: [WSG] Alternative to align = center?
Speaking of centre. W3C ought to implement British English as well. :(
But yeah, the align attribute should be avoided at all cost. If you
really want to align something in the centre, use;
margin: 0 auto;
/Svip
2008/5/3 Essential eBiz Solutions Ltd [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
There is the old faithful
p aligncentreImage/p
Which as far as I'm aware is valid in XHTML strict, or the method Stuart
mentioned with the pre-set div tag.
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To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Subject: Re: R: [WSG] Alternative to align = center?
Or use a CSS class to do the same,
div class=centre
and
.centre {
text-align: center;
}
On Sat, May 3, 2008 10:22 am, Diego La Monica wrote:
What about div style=text-align: center ?
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Da: Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Inviato: sabato 3 maggio 2008 11.15
A: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org
Oggetto: [WSG] Alternative to align = center?
Hi,
I know that the align attribute such as div align=center is not
allowed
in XHTML Strict, but it got me thinking on what the possible alternatives
are for a dynamic environment such as a forum?
For instance if I know the image width or the total width of all the
images
will be the same I usually put them in a wrapper with a fixed width and
use
margin: 5px auto as an example.
What happens if you will never know the width of the images or how many
images someone may post, as happens on a forum I run. I've resorted to
creating a bbcode tag that uses div align=center as that is the only
way
I can think of.
Are these scenarios always doomed to use transitional doctypes and
deprecated code?
I'd be interested in your opinions
Cheers
Simon
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Re: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends?
Tried display: none;?
Regards,
Svip
2008/4/30 Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
I've got a search box and login area that I want to use a fieldset and
legend on for accessibility but I don't want to show the legend to normal
users. Now I can easily hide it with display: none; but I understand this is
hidden from certain screenreaders as well, which well render the benefit of
it being there pointless as they are the type of user I am implementing it
for.
I have tried:
.hidden {
position: absolute;
left:0px;
top:-500px;
width:1px;
height:1px;
overflow:hidden;
}
And:
.hidden {
position: absolute;
left: -999em;
width: 990em;
}
But it just sits there, am I missing something obvious and has anyone had
any joy with something similar?
Thanks very much
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Re: [WSG] Best way to hide form legends?
Well then, only tell him to use the hidden part for specific media,
such as projection or whatever. Don't screenreaders obey that?
Regards,
Svip
2008/4/30 Dan Brickley [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Svip wrote:
Tried display: none;?
Now I can easily hide it with display: none; but
Apparently so...
Regards,
Svip
2008/4/30 Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi,
I've got a search box and login area that I want to use a fieldset and
legend on for accessibility but I don't want to show the legend to
normal
users. Now I can easily hide it with display: none; but I understand
this is
hidden from certain screenreaders as well, which well render the
benefit of
it being there pointless as they are the type of user I am implementing
it
for.
I have tried:
.hidden {
position: absolute;
left:0px;
top:-500px;
width:1px;
height:1px;
overflow:hidden;
}
And:
.hidden {
position: absolute;
left: -999em;
width: 990em;
}
But it just sits there, am I missing something obvious and has anyone
had
any joy with something similar?
Thanks very much
Simon
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Re: [WSG] How to make diagonal lines change color?
Well, you could simply change the background image to create the illusion of it changing colour. However, I think technically it is way too confusing for it to change colour when you browse the site. A different note, your page claims to be in Portuguese, when the only Portuguese text appearing on the site are in images, and all written text is English. Regards, Svip 2008/4/11, Laert Jansen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello everyone. Well there´s something I want to do but I have no idea if it´s possible to be done and how would I do this. My website (www.laertjansen.com) has some two color diagonal lines as a bg. What I want to do is: On the mouse over color X it becomes color Y On the mouse over color Y it becomes color X Is it possible to be done? Thanks a lot for any help -- Laert Jansen www.laertjansen.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] INS and DEL in lists
Don't you mean server sided rather than browser/user agent? /Svip On 25/03/2008, Stuart Foulstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, RE: When I hid the del using display: hidden; the list would render something like this I can't say I've ever felt the need to use these tags, but isn't hiding the content supposed to be the job of the browser/user agent - rather than you using CSS. On Sun, March 23, 2008 12:43 pm, Thomas Thomassen wrote: I was working on some examples for the use of del and ins. http://www.thomthom.net/blog/2008/03/document-history-viewer-making-use-of-del-and-ins/ As I was working on this I wanted to mark up a list where items had been added and removed. That's when I realised that you can't wrap up li dt or dd in del or ins elements because ul, ol and dl only allows list items as their direct child. The del and ins then have to be wrapped inside the list item. ul liItem 1/li lidelItem 2/del/li liItem 3/li /ul When I hid the del using display: hidden; the list would render something like this: * Item 1 * * Item 3 Because I could wrap up the entire list item, the bullet point would still remain. To me it appears illogical to not wrap the del or ins around the list items when you add and remove items to the list. I'm guessing it's a case where every scenario wasn't accounted for when the specifications was written. (Yes, I know that I could add an extra class to the list item that I wanted to hide, but it's not the point. It shouldn't be necessary.) However, when this scenario presents itself I see it as fine to break the specification and mark it up like this: ul liItem 1/li delliItem 2/li/del liItem 3/li /ul This seem to render exactly as I expect it to do in every browser I've tested. * Item 1 * Item 3 I posted a comment about it in the W3C public HTML discussion group, hoping it'd be picked up and amend HTML5's specification to allow this. However, there's yet been any response. Is there any other place I could air this issue in hope of it getting heards by the authors of the next HTML specs? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] PNG in IE6
My preferred method is shrugging at the IE6 users and just let them
see their own browser rendering PNGs as ugly as it can.
/Svip
On 21/02/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good time of day.
1. Your mistake:
Addressing in Filter is from your html, not from your css.
2. Ordinary way to support png, in my practice, is next:
With hack:
css/element.css
css/element_ie.css
images/logo.png
index.html
index.html:
--
link rel=stylesheet href=css/element.css type=text/css/
...
div id=mlogo
div id=extradiv1/div
img src=images/logo_header.gif height=54 width=379 alt=A way
back - logo/
div id=extradiv2/div
/div
element.css
---
#extradiv1{
background-image: url(../images/logo.png);
background-attachment: scroll;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: center top;
position:relative;
height: 129px;
width: 120px;
margin: 0 auto;
}
* html #extradiv1{
background: none;
filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='images/logo.png',
sizingMethod='scale');
}
Without hack:
css/element.css
css/element_ie.css
images/logo.png
index.html
index.html:
--
link rel=stylesheet href=css/element.css type=text/css/
!--[if IE 6]
link rel=stylesheet href=css/element_ie.css
type=text/css/
![endif]--
...
div id=mlogo
div id=extradiv1/div
img src=images/logo_header.gif height=54 width=379 alt=A way
back - logo/
div id=extradiv2/div
/div
element.css
---
#extradiv1{
background-image: url(../images/logo.png);
background-attachment: scroll;
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: center top;
position:relative;
height: 129px;
width: 120px;
margin: 0 auto;
}
element_ie.css
#extradiv1{
background: none;
filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='images/logo.png',
sizingMethod='scale');
}
This should work.
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Re: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem
Actually, read this page instead: http://www.arraystudio.com/as-workshop/make-ol-list-start-from-number-different-than-1-using-css.html I just realised that is not in XHTML. On 11/10/2007, Svip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try ol start=3 instead. Regards, Svip On 11/10/2007, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! Short version: A. li value=3 is not allowed in strict HTML 4/XHTML 1.0, Spec says use CSS. B. I want to start at 3. C: CSS has no means to specify a start value! Pick your poison: 1. Invalid code 2. Use a transitional DOCTYPE 3. Set value with DOM-script Long version: How do we handle clear errors in the (X)HTML specs? This one seems to indicate: a. Lack of communication between (X)HTML WG and CSS WG at W3C b. Bad thinking by the (X)HTML WG (in the past - on this issue), as the starting value is content, not presentation. But regardless of whom I should blame there is a problem to solve. I would like to know which solution that you would use and why. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Catch 22 list problem
Try ol start=3 instead. Regards, Svip On 11/10/2007, Keryx Web [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all! Short version: A. li value=3 is not allowed in strict HTML 4/XHTML 1.0, Spec says use CSS. B. I want to start at 3. C: CSS has no means to specify a start value! Pick your poison: 1. Invalid code 2. Use a transitional DOCTYPE 3. Set value with DOM-script Long version: How do we handle clear errors in the (X)HTML specs? This one seems to indicate: a. Lack of communication between (X)HTML WG and CSS WG at W3C b. Bad thinking by the (X)HTML WG (in the past - on this issue), as the starting value is content, not presentation. But regardless of whom I should blame there is a problem to solve. I would like to know which solution that you would use and why. Lars Gunther *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] ASP, PHP and Ruby - oh my!
As far as I have read and tried Ruby, it is basically just a new language, in my opinion PHP is still the best Server Side Language around, but perhaps I should do some more tries on Ruby as I have thus far. Besides, Ruby on Rails is a simple form of Ruby, where very little programming is required, but gives you less control of it, in my opinion. But I thank thee again for bring up the language in question. Regards, Svip - sviip.dk On 26/01/06, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys and Gals, There's certainly a mass of hype surrounding Ruby these days. It raises this question for me. I usually still use classic ASP for my server-side stuff, but have begun playing with PHP as well, since ASP is obviously over whether its a good tool or not. Now Ruby is pounding on my door, claiming to be the next best thing. Are many of you already using Ruby? Thus far, I've only seen that it increases the add/update/delete coding speed. If the general feeling among is that this will become the method of choice in the future, perhaps I should come on board If you want to keep this list clean, just email me your thoughts if you like. Thanks, -- Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Cite in blockquote
I looked from attributes in the blockquote tag on w3schools.com (which I use when I forget some tags, since they have a pretty good reference list). It said that 'cite' is an attribute for the source of a blockquote, which makes sense. However, when I tried to use it, I saw no difference, not something when I hovered the blockquote or right clicked. I am yet only tried Firefox, as I haven't bothered installing other browsers yet. I know Mozilla is installed, but I suppose the Gecko engine does the same in both browsers. But my question is; does any browser use the cite attribute in the blockquotes? Regards, Svip - sviip.dk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Cite in blockquote
Oh my, that is extremely well, I like that. Thank you very much for
that information. :)
Is it possible to export it as a link (a) instead of plain text
using content:?
Regards,
Svip - sviip.dk
On 26/01/06, russ - maxdesign [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It said that 'cite' is an attribute for the source of a blockquote,
which makes sense. However, when I tried to use it, I saw no
difference, not something when I hovered the blockquote or right
clicked.
It is also possible to display the cite attribute using attribute selectors,
(except in the wondrous IE). A quick example:
HTML
-
blockquote cite=http://www.site.com;
pLorem ipsum dolor /p
/blockquote
CSS
blockquote[cite]:after
{
content: Source: attr(cite);
display: block;
}
The result should show the following at the end of the blockquote contents
(in attribute selector supporting browsers):
Source: http://www.site.com;
Thanks
Russ
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Re: [WSG] .htm include file into another .htm
Actually, the best way would be to use PHP, and besides, we do not
tend to call them HTM pages, but rather HTML pages. And thus the
filetype after its name is useless.
It could be done as following in PHP:
?php include('included.html');?
Which would not include your comment mark, and I do not know either
if your way is a standard, as I have never heard of it. Besides, I
hate frames, and thus would not suggest your way.
Note: When using PHP, you probably need to name your original file
with .php at the end.
Regards,
Svip, sviip.dk
On 18/01/06, KJ Callender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
I want to include a file to be included into about 10 htm pages, and to
save time me updating them individually, i want to use a include file.
Using standards, which is the best way to achieve this:
1. !--#include virtual=/included.htm --
2. !--#include virtual=included.htm --
3. !--#include file=included.html --
Any body have any experience of this?
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Re: [WSG] CSS Icon
I thought that per standard you inserted the favicon.ico file in the parent directory to the site, and thus browsers would ask for it, and get it as they requested! The HTML is just if you specific pages on a site that needs their own favicons! signed Svip - sviip.dk On 16/01/06, Alvaro Mouriño [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks! =) AlvAro - 2006/1/16, Joshua Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]: favicon.ico in your website root. It's not actually anything to do with CSS... though you CAN set it in your head element with link rel=shortcut icon href=favicon.ico type=image/x-icon / On 1/16/06, Alvaro Mouriño [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, I was just wondering if it is possible to set an icon for my site with CSS (the one next to the title) Either way, how do I do it? Thanks, AlvAro ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Joshua Street http://www.joahua.com/ +61 (0) 425 808 469 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] p tag
Well first of all, you should use CSS instead of your attribute:
p {
text-align: justify;
}
The issue you are talking about is the margin of the p tag. You can
remove it by adding margin:0; to the CSS above, however, I strongely
suggest you not to.
Signed,
Svip - sviip.dk
On 11/01/06, Todd Gleaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello All,
I am using the p align='justify' to justify my text. I am getting a huge
break between
the picture above and where the text starts with the tag mentioned above.
What is the
best way to rid the white space? I've seen this problem a lot but have come
to no
conclusive way of getting rid of it.
Anyone have a good suggestion for this?
Thankstg
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Re: [WSG] standards form?
I wouldn't suggest doing a single multi-porpuse form, as it would simply just confuse people using the website. Split them up. Though I am not quite sure what your question is. Svip - sviip.dk On 06/08/05, Jad Madi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm working on multi purpose form, registration and purchase so it become so boring form, while I was trying to have simple form, and excited process of registration and purchase please if you have any suggestion let me know, I'm having headache because of this form ## Personal information ## first name Middle name sure name ## Contact Information ## Country City State Street Zip code Phone number Fax number Email address ## Billing information ### Credit card type Credit number Expire date CVV2 Billing address Name on card ## Account Package information ## username password Package Domain name -- Regards Jad madi Personal Blogger http://EasyHTTP.com/jad/ Web standards Planet http://w3planet.info/site/ EasyHTTP Network http://EasyHTTP.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Is br / friendly to accessibility?
To what I know, search engines, browsers and other items that reads the Internet and the Web for that matter, searches through tags like this: [tag]* Meaning that no matter what tag it is, it will always replace the * with... anything, cause it was assumed that when the web started, people my type in useless things in tags, and thus it has to be ignored, but if people have written something like; br lol The browser couldn't just check for br, as br lol ( bad example I know, please kill me ) would not be that, and therefore not a break line. So instead, they used the other version. However, XHTML is meant to be read in another way, as far as I know, only Opera and Gecko takes care of the !DOCTYPE. :( Svip On 04/07/05, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tee wrote: I presume br / is part of the standards since it passes HTML 4.01 Strict XHTML 1.0 strict validation but does it accessible friendly? Coming from the print design background it always disturb me to see the first word of the new sentence lonely let behind with the previous sentence. Knowing how browsers render differently I kind of gotten over with my obsession most the time but once in a while client's demand pulls me back to the old shell. So is br / friendly to accessibility? Thanks! Tee It wouldn't be an issue for screen readers or things like google, and I doubt it would be a problem with most text-browsers. The biggest issue would be if people resize the screen. Then you might end up with the last word of a sentance left on it's own line. I think the best rule of thumb is to ask you self if the line-break is semantically relevant. There's really no way to know if the line-break is going to be were you think it is, so avoid using if for styling. Alan Trick. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] table to div tags problem
My client has asked me to make a dynamic page with PHP and such, but they'll like to keep their current design, however, I am needed to rewrite it to be supported under every browser ( before only IE supported it *ugh* ), so as you can tell, there is need for action. Their current site can be found here; www.nobelark.dk However, notice that only IE can view it, some javascript will require you to use IE. Anyways, I am rewriting the entire system, and I am wondering, cause the client want the exact same amount of spacing between the 4 elements ( the image, the list of items, the head menu and the title link ), for now I use tables so I can show them some progress soon, but I really want to use div tags. And I have been trying and trying, and it works under Opera and Firefox. But since IE is the most used browser, it needs to look the exact same in that browser, so I was wondering if anyone of you knew how to do that? My current work: www.sviip.dk/nobel/ The work without PHP: www.sviip.dk/nobel/template.html An image of how it should look: http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/360/nobelarkscreen5dn.png iOf course without the guide lines/i Please notice that I do not have IE to view the page in. And therefore if you know a way, I will be very pleased. And yes, the content in the content area should always start from the bottom. Kind regards, Svip ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] A web culture
We could make our own? Hmmm... I've got a bass. :P Anyways, I have heard a lot of songs about the Internet. Most songs on the Internet, but also some by normal bands. I think DeviantArt should have some Web Art, aye? And isn't webdesign an art? :P /me runs. On 30/06/05, Mark B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie Anderson did Puppet Motel years ago, on her Bright Red CD. More or less about IRC. On 6/30/05, Thomas Ditmars [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Piero Fissore wrote: Why there is not any movie, song or books (novels) that deal about web? I mean, it's an instrument that have changed our live (and it will change it again). It seams like art isn't interested in. Why? Why do not exist a web culture? Weballergy by Sonata Arctica. It's a song more or less about Internet addiction. (Granted, it's a heavy metal song, so it's not exactly mainstream.) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] IE and linux
Hmm... According to winehq.org, WINE should run IE. I don't have Windows install anymore, so I haven't been able to check it. Instead I lent my father's machine when checking the pages in IE. But in most cases IE doesn't bother me, but when I need to see it in IE, I have to lent a Windows machine. But yes, I am quite sure WINE should be able to do it. You can always get the newest version from winehq.org, or download it through one of the major distros' package system: Debian/Ubuntu: # apt-get install wine Gentoo: # emerge wine SuSE: # yast wine I don't know about Red Hat/Fedora Core, since I've never really tried those. But downloading it off the site for it would be my first go. On 30/06/05, Alan Trick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My computer had windows and linux on it, but like to do most of my work in linux. This is a bit of a problem when it comes to making my css work for the browser we all know and hate, IE. Lately I've been doing everying in linux and then copying it over to Windows (cause windows can't read linux drives) and making a custom css file for IE. However, this is quite a pain, esspecially if I get a good idea while doing this and want to change something else then I have 2 versions to worry about. I tried googling it but I didn't get any luck. Does anyone here know if it's possible using WINE or something? Are there and HOWTO's around? Thanks, Alan Trick ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
