RE: [WSG] Site check please
Without even trying to be obsessive compulsive I can report that there is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several of them wrap. Would you be able to post a link to the form in question? Thanks *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check please
Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group, check our new site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check please
Hmm, seems like the DNS has not delegated yet, it was supposed to redirect to http://testing.clickfind.com.au:777 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco Fleur Sent: Friday, 23 November 2007 8:56 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Site check please Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group, check our new site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check please
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:53:13 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote: Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group, check our new site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au Without even trying to be obsessive compulsive I can report that there is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several of them wrap. FWIW - I have a high-definition laptop running at the default 120 DPI, so both Opera and IE's default of 12 point text displays 25% larger than at 96 DPI. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check please
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 21:53:13 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote: Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group, check our new site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au Without even trying to be obsessive compulsive I can report that there is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several of them wrap. FWIW - I have a high-definition laptop running at the default 120 DPI, so both Opera and IE's default of 12 point text displays 25% larger than at 96 DPI. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site check please
Taco Fleur wrote: Sorry, I meant: Can the more obsessive compulsive members of the group, check our new site for problems please? :) www.clickfind.com.au It is a little difficult to read. The fonts scale well. The overall look is nice. But color on color is sometimes a difficult trick to pull off. Hozriontal overlap when fonts are scaled on this page: http://testing.clickfind.com.au:777/browse.cfm Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check please
Thanks. It is a little difficult to read. Can you elaborate on the above? The fonts scale well. The overall look is nice. But color on color is sometimes a difficult trick to pull off. Hozriontal overlap when fonts are scaled on this page: http://testing.clickfind.com.au:777/browse.cfm What's the size of the font, and what screen size? Cheers *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check please
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 12:31:30 +1000, Taco Fleur wrote: Without even trying to be obsessive compulsive I can report that there is not enough room for the form labels on my end, so several of them wrap. Would you be able to post a link to the form in question? The link is the one you gave. I did not go further. Cordially, David -- *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] site check please
http://www.phillipwrayracing.com XHTML error - img tag has been opened but not closed add alt attributes to those images. Other than that nice! Thanks, Al *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] site check please
Jermayn Parker wrote: just wondering if people can have a quick look at the following website for any major errors, suggestions etc http://www.phillipwrayracing.com It is a little slow to load. I regret that font-scaling drops the floats and/or breaks the layout. Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] site check please
Hi Jermayn, I notice the left and right columns white background colors (or image) are overlapping the 'g-background.jpg'. You either need to may transparent color for left/right column or if background images are used, use nee to make them narrower or maybe add z-index properties. Small detail that doesn't interfer with website's function but IMHO this is what differential good and best web deisgners :). Also, the two columns collapse with two fontsize enlarge - this one really put me off because I always need to enlarge at least two time of fontsize for many sites I visit. tee On Jun 18, 2007, at 7:21 PM, Jermayn Parker wrote: Hi folks, just wondering if people can have a quick look at the following website for any major errors, suggestions etc The one thing that has given me major trouble is aligning the columns the same over browsers (I am sure I have a few gray hairs from that), so unless its horriable wrong, I am not going to worry about it, unless someone knows a fix. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
Hi Taco,
I would suggest using a percentage to size the text in the yellow band
instead of smaller since IE has a different idea of what smaller is
compared to Firefox:
p span.smaller {
font-size: 80%;
}
I would also suggest using em sizing. The height of the yellow band would
then resize along with the text:
#frm_s {
position: absolute;
top: 41px;
width: 100%;
height: 3em;
border-top: 1px solid #fff;
background-color: #fc0;
background: url(/_resource/image/mn_shadow.gif) #fc0 bottom
no-repeat;
}
Basically anything you want to resize when he font size is changed can be
sized using ems. At font-size: 100%, 1em = 16px. At font-size: 62.5%, 1em =
10px.
I would also suggest having the second row of divs (box1, box2, box3)
contained within the divs sellstuff, buystuff, mystuff and position them at
the bottom.
Regards,
Kepler
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Hi Felix thanks for the effort.
A solution to the problem would be great as well ;-) Min-height doesn't work
in all browsers which would be the best solution I guess.
Any ideas on why the purple background while it should be white, or is that
just your screenshot?
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[I have a minimum font size set to prevent eyestrain.]
On 2007/05/16 12:51 (GMT+1000) Taco Fleur apparently typed:
Anyways; anyone interested in a site check?
http://web-strategists.com:888
I like it a lot above the yellow, but I don't like 3.5 word line lengths at
all. An unset background color and links half hiding behind other things are
unimpressive as well. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/tacofl2.jpg
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Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
Taco Fleur wrote: http://web-strategists.com:888 Could do with suitable 'min-width' and 'max-width'. Not well prepared for regular 'minimum font size', or even for 'font resizing' in IE/win. Also, I get the off-screen text for the click here to start selling in at the left side on really wide windows. regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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http://web-strategists.com:888 You've got a transparent background-color set somewhere as all of the white space on the sides of the content and under the footer is currently browser default (mine is set to pink so I can see sites that aren't defining background-colors!). This prob isn't much of a problem but everyone should be aware that people might have changed their browser default and it'll make your site look bad. Nice site though :-) Ben -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: http://www.bendodson.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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http://web-strategists.com:888 Yes I agree a min width would be good, if not maybe look into png transparency for the floating logo. http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/png_overlay_with_no_extra_markup.asp -best kvn *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
Thanks for your response, however, I wish I understood what you both meant by this, but I don't. Min max width where/how? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kevin mcmonagle Sent: Thursday, 17 May 2007 5:01 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: SPAM-LOW: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread http://web-strategists.com:888 Yes I agree a min width would be good, if not maybe look into png transparency for the floating logo. http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/png_overlay_with_no_extra_markup.asp -best kvn *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
Thanks. How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, as its already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread Taco, Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix: The yellow bar. As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not expand with it. The content instead eventually hides as it passes the bottom of the bar. If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without breaking said shadow. That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6. Firefox 2 does the same thing FYI: http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even though I created a new message from scratch. Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 Thanks in advance... Taco Fleur www.pacificfox.com.au website design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
May I add that your suggestion would work. However we'd have to deal with other issues like the new white space (bottom of yellow to white gradient) that would appear from the font-increase etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread Taco, Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix: The yellow bar. As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not expand with it. The content instead eventually hides as it passes the bottom of the bar. If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without breaking said shadow. That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6. Firefox 2 does the same thing FYI: http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even though I created a new message from scratch. Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 Thanks in advance... Taco Fleur www.pacificfox.com.au website design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
[I have a minimum font size set to prevent eyestrain.] On 2007/05/16 12:51 (GMT+1000) Taco Fleur apparently typed: Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 I like it a lot above the yellow, but I don't like 3.5 word line lengths at all. An unset background color and links half hiding behind other things are unimpressive as well. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/tacofl2.jpg -- The path of the righteous is like the first gleam of dawn, shining ever brighter till the full light of day. Proverbs 4:18 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
Taco, Don't worry, I'm not one of these nuts who blows up the text to 1200% or anything. I make my largest benchmark the largest setting on IE which is the about the equivalent to 2 sizes up on Firefox. No, its not the end of the world by any means, but you know what happens when you ask for a site check around here. *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: Thanks. How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, as its already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread Taco, Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix: The yellow bar. As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not expand with it. The content instead eventually hides as it passes the bottom of the bar. If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without breaking said shadow. That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6. Firefox 2 does the same thing FYI: http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even though I created a new message from scratch. Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 Thanks in advance... Taco Fleur www.pacificfox.com.au website design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread
No, its perfectly fine, its exactly what I was asking for. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 3:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread Taco, Don't worry, I'm not one of these nuts who blows up the text to 1200% or anything. I make my largest benchmark the largest setting on IE which is the about the equivalent to 2 sizes up on Firefox. No, its not the end of the world by any means, but you know what happens when you ask for a site check around here. *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: Thanks. How large did you size the font to? We've only anticipated 1 size up, as its already a large font. You can't win in every situation ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Wednesday, 16 May 2007 2:32 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check Please - new thread Taco, Everything looks real good with one exception which should be an easy fix: The yellow bar. As you increase the text size, the yellow bar does not expand with it. The content instead eventually hides as it passes the bottom of the bar. If the yellow bar and the drop shadow below it are one image, I would simply separate them and make the drop shadow a top-place background image below the yellow bar so the bar itself can expand without breaking said shadow. That sounds confusing - heres a screenshot in WinXP/IE6. Firefox 2 does the same thing FYI: http://sitesbyjoe.com/files/wsg/sell-my-stuff.gif *Joseph R. B. Taylor* Sites by Joe, LLC /Custom Web Design Development/ Phone: (609) 335-3076 www.sitesbyjoe.com http://www.sitesbyjoe.com Taco Fleur wrote: For some reason my other emails ended up in someone else's thread, even though I created a new message from scratch. Anyways; anyone interested in a site check? http://web-strategists.com:888 Thanks in advance... Taco Fleur www.pacificfox.com.au website design *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)
I am still in learning-process but in my opinion your site is excellent! Just test your site for example at ' http://www.sidar.org '. This validator found some problems. What I miss is a 'skip to main content' and accesskeys. With ff the text from the main-content overlapps the footer by using the zoom-function in some sites, e. g. http://dev5.headclerk.net/about.htm. Best wishes Soeren ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)
Mario, Some of your CSS does not validate. http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2warning=2uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdev5.headclerk.net%2F My only major issue with the design is the Upcoming Training background. There is not enough contrast between the type and the background for someone of low vision. Cheers, Justin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)
did you test it in firefox yet? In ff your footer seems to break way out of the wrapper. -best kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)
sorry please disregard that last observation i made about your footer breaking. i had another style sheet loaded into the page by accident looks good ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Citinet Lending)
Thank you Justin! I've begun the process of fixing those errors. Respectfully, Mario Mario, Some of your CSS does not validate. http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?profile=css2warning=2uri=http%3A%2F%2Fdev5.headclerk.net%2F My only major issue with the design is the Upcoming Training background. There is not enough contrast between the type and the background for someone of low vision. Cheers, Justin ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)
With larger text sizes, your sidebar headings become white on white. I'd suggest vertically expanding that background image, or setting a similar background color along with the image. That and a few things like empty paragraph elements and stray /div on some of the pages. Last (and probably least), a future-proofing warning: If you ever decide to serve that site as xhtml instead of text/html, it'll break because of the content of your style elements. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)
Last (and probably least), a future-proofing warning: If you ever decide to serve that site as xhtml instead of text/html, it'll break because of the content of your style elements. Nevermind, it might not. I've become so paranoid that I tend to enclose any non-xml/html in cdata's because I serve as xml, but in your case, I don't think it'd break. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)
Kenny Graham (thoughtfully) wrote: With larger text sizes, your sidebar headings become white on white. I'd suggest vertically expanding that background image, or setting a similar background color along with the image. That and a few things like empty paragraph elements and stray /div on some of the pages. Thanks for that. I will be shortening the title for the See What Our Clients Are Saying heading but increasing the size of the background image is a great idea as well. Thanks. I know that there are some empty p /p elements as I am still placing copy. Just wanted to ask for opinions and suggestions at this stage. Thanks for the help and all the best, Jay ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)
Jay Gilmore wrote: I would like to know if I have made any huge gaffes with this site (http://www.smashingred.com/clientspace/clattco/). Nearly complete and just requires copywriting completion. All opinions are welcome. If there are mistakes out of ignorance please point me to a reference for correction. http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/SS/jayg1.jpg Linux/Epiphany/Gecko Look at http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/line-height-inherit.html to see how to fix your line-height problem. See http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/widths-em-v-px.html http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/fflinelength.html and http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/Sites/dlviolin.html for how to address your problem of extreme narrowness/too short line lengths. -- Jesus Christ is the reason for the season. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please (Clattco)
On 12/22/05, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I would like to know if I have made any huge gaffes with this site (http://www.smashingred.com/clientspace/clattco/). On this page: http://www.smashingred.com/clientspace/clattco/renovations/ the last photo is overlapped by the text above it in Mozilla 1.7 / Win. Not sure what it is but looks like a float problem? -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check please
Joseph R. B. Taylor wrote: Guys and Gals, I have just switched my site to a fluid layout vs. the old 750 pixels wide approach. I have also changed all my font sizes to em's to adjust as needed. Can people in mac and linux take a glance to make sure all is well for me? Thanks, Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Joe, The site "looks" ok but I have a few of comments: Why are you using a transitional doctype? What elements or deprecated attributes are you using that require this? Why are you using "pnbsp/p for spacing? There are ways to create white space etc. without using unsemantic markup? How about adding the padding or margin to a class relating to the content that requires the extra space before or after. Why are you using spans to achieve what could and probably should be accomplished using an h1, h2, or h3 element? Specifically, you are using a span to style the larger text of the article titles. You are also using spans for the article date where you could use the classes on paragraphs. All the best, Jay BTW: My own site is not perfect so go ahead and rip it apart. When I finish my next few projects I will be revamping it. Jay Gilmore Developer/Consultant Affordable Websites and Marketing Solutions for Real Small Business. SmashingRed Web Marketing P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On 12/12/05, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, The site looks ok but I have a few of comments: Why are you using a transitional doctype? What elements or deprecated attributes are you using that require this? Why are you using pnbsp/p for spacing? ... Why are you using spans to achieve what could and probably should be accomplished using an h1, h2, or h3 element? ... Jay BTW: My own site is not perfect so go ahead and rip it apart. When I finish my next few projects I will be revamping it. Joe, what Jay said. The site is great but the markup is quirky. Please explain. Well, almost everything Jay said. My site doesn't have these quirks, so you probably can't rip it apart. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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The poor practices mostly come from this code being slowly updated since version 1, (which was really bad), hopefully in time all the no-no's will be removed. I appreciate the time you spent looking in there and noticing that stuff, I forgot all about those stupid span tags all over the place, left behind from my various attempts to write my own CMS (which thankfully has gotten much better!) Joe Taylor http://sitesbyjoe.com Christian Montoya wrote: On 12/12/05, Jay Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe, The site looks ok but I have a few of comments: Why are you using a transitional doctype? What elements or deprecated attributes are you using that require this? Why are you using pnbsp/p for spacing? ... Why are you using spans to achieve what could and probably should be accomplished using an h1, h2, or h3 element? ... Jay BTW: My own site is not perfect so go ahead and rip it apart. When I finish my next few projects I will be revamping it. Joe, what Jay said. The site is great but the markup is quirky. Please explain. Well, almost everything Jay said. My site doesn't have these quirks, so you probably can't rip it apart. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... rdpdesign.com ... cssliquid.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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pretty cool jay, what about the top links bottom border disapearing on the hover though? -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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kvnmcwebn wrote: pretty cool jay, what about the top links bottom border disapearing on the hover though? -kvnmcwebn kvnmcwebn, Are you talking about my site: http://www.smashingred.com or Joe's site: http://www.sitesbyjoe.com ? All the best, Jay Jay Gilmore Developer/Consultant Affordable Websites and Marketing Solutions for Real Small Business. SmashingRed Web Marketing P) 902.529.0651 E) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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kvnmcwebn,Are you talking about my site: http://www.smashingred.com or Joe's site: http://www.sitesbyjoe.com ? sorryimeant joe not jay,
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Drake, Ted C. wrote: Hi All I've been working on a re-design of my web site and I know the code is still rough. However, I think I could use some outside eyeballs on the design. You know how things are when you look at it for too long... http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html very nice. i bookmarked the page. i liked what you had to say. very inspirational. i'll have to go back again. overall the design works for me, but borders on being too busy. ff tells me that you have some js errors and warnings on the index page. didn't check the other pages for that though. do you live where you took the photos or are you a vagabond? dwain -- Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Wassily Kandinsky, Concerning The Spiritual In Art ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Drake, Ted C. wrote: Hi All I've been working on a re-design of my web site and I know the code is still rough. However, I think I could use some outside eyeballs on the design. You know how things are when you look at it for too long... http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html p.s. the page has a horizontal scroll at 800x600 in ff. dwain -- Dwain Alford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.alforddesigngroup.com The artist may use any form which his expression demands; for his inner impulse must find suitable expression. Wassily Kandinsky, Concerning The Spiritual In Art ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
turning images off - RE: [WSG] site check please
Hi everyone
Georg brought up a great point.
The site design is completely illegible with images turned off. I have a
black background color set on the body and black text. I need to place a
white background on the content section to provide a readable area when the
images are disabled.
I think this is a very valid point for site design and I thank you for
pointing it out.
Thank you again for the comments, it will make my de-bugging this weekend
much more productive.
Ted
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Subject: Re: [WSG] site check please
Drake, Ted C. wrote:
http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html
I really like the look of that one - but...
- Scrolling left isn't easy, so maybe try this adjustment:
body { padding-left: 95px;}
...tested in Opera, Firefox IE6.
(I can even make it line up perfectly in Opera 8's 'fit to window width'
with this adjustment.}
Major flaw:
- Redefine font-size on body for IE/win. Using Ems triggers the 'extreme
font-steps bug' in IE. Makes the columns overlap on 'largest' and text
unreadable on 'smallest'. Use '%' instead.
- Minor flaw on a photographer's site maybe, but trying to read the
page with 'images off' is 'no good'.
- Search could do with something like:
#search {min-height: 4em; _height: 4em;}
Other minor points:
- A few pixels of the background-image showing at the very bottom.
- Footer weak for font-resizing since the background don't size with it.
regards
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Re: [WSG] site check please
Re: http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html I think a nice Georgia font would go down well with that template. Edward Clarke ECommerce and Software Consultant TN38 Consulting http://blog.tn38.net Creative Media Centre 17-19 Robertson Street Hastings East Sussex TN34 1HL United Kingdom
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Drake, Ted C. wrote: Hi All I've been working on a re-design of my web site and I know the code is still rough. However, I think I could use some outside eyeballs on the design. You know how things are when you look at it for too long... http://www.tdrake.net/joan/index-liquid.html Ted www.tdrake.net A different, and interesting concept, Ted. Difficult for me to read though, as the heavy underlined links punch holes in the flow of the content text, and lack of lead between the stacked heads compounds the problem. If being cool is your goal, Reading Design http://www.alistapart.com/articles/readingdesign/ is how to go about it. FWIW: Your layout breaks in text-size largest in IE. Regards, David Laakso -- David Laakso http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce
I'm using label with all my input elements, but the one for the search form at the top at the page. Does using the title attribute make it accessible enough or do I must use label? Label is in Priority 2, title is enough for Priority 1. BTW placing a label there and hiding it via CSS does the job too... -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce
I'm using FF 1.0.1 on Fedora 3 and the links are working for me. Which version/platform FF are you using? On Mon, 2005-05-09 at 07:39 -0700, Thierry Koblentz wrote: Hi all, I have a WAI-AAA icon at the bottom of the pages and I'd like to know if I can leave it there or if I have a few more things to work on :-) I'm using label with all my input elements, but the one for the search form at the top at the page. Does using the title attribute make it accessible enough or do I must use label? Also, I've put skip table links inside caption/caption (for people who are not using pointing devices), but they are ignored by FF. How come? Try to tab through the links on the page, you'll see that they are skipped. For the ones who'll check the markup: the few structural hacks are for NN4. http://www.tjkdesign.com/clients/uni/OrderForm.asp?cart=- Thanks, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Jan Brasna wrote: Label is in Priority 2, title is enough for Priority 1. BTW placing a label there and hiding it via CSS does the job too... Duh! LOL Thanks, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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diona kidd wrote: I'm using FF 1.0.1 on Fedora 3 and the links are working for me. Which version/platform FF are you using? I'm using v. 0.8 and 1.0.2 on WinXP When you say working, do you mean you can click on them and jump to the anchors or that you can tab through all the links in the main section of the page without skipping them? Because the former works, it is the latter that doesn't. Thanks for your feedback, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please - eCommerce
Hi Thierry, I think your page has issued with Safari (Jaguar), it shuts down the browser after 2 or 3 second of loading. I tested 4 times, same result. tee Jan Brasna wrote: Label is in Priority 2, title is enough for Priority 1. BTW placing a label there and hiding it via CSS does the job too... Duh! LOL Thanks, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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tee wrote: Hi Thierry, I think your page has issued with Safari (Jaguar), it shuts down the browser after 2 or 3 second of loading. I tested 4 times, same result. Hi Tee, I was going to reply off-list, but on the other hand I'd like to see someone else using Jaguar to check the page. Just to make sure the problem is related to the site itself. BTW, what OS is Jaguar? (you can answer this off-list) I've checked with Safari v. 1.2.4 in OSX v.10.3.7 and it is working fine... Thanks for checking, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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BTW, what OS is Jaguar? (you can answer this off-list) Mac OS X 10.2 I've checked with Safari v. 1.2.4 in OSX v.10.3.7 and it is working fine... 1.2.4 on 10.3.8 also fine -- Jan Brasna aka JohnyB :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History
The top nav does bizarre things when you get off the index page. On one page, the tabs were replaced with underlined text, yet the dropdowns continued to work. When I went deeper, the navigation was missing entirely. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Laakso Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 8:19 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:29:27 -0400, Hope Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So, I'd be very interested hear your comments. http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/world-u23-championships/index.html Quick look in XP_SP2 at 1280 in Opera8.0 of the above page only: Seems fine on this end, although I can't for the life of me figure out what the bw image is that appears to be a grasshopper? Regards, Hope Stewart Regards, ~david ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History
Thanks Thierry for your detailed reply! I've implemented all your suggestions except the IE5/mac dropdowns -- I haven't had time to look at the suggested link yet, but I will. Regards, Hope On 28/4/05 2:27 PM, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ope Stewart wrote: comments. The design is very basic, but I've never claimed to be a graphic designer! It looks nice (I'd use a darker green for body though) I think you *need* to include a skipnav link. I have been unable to test the new pages in Opera/win and IE5/win, so would be grateful if someone could have a look for me, particularly in regards to the drop-downs. IE5.1 and 5.5 Win: It looks really good in both versions, but the wrapper is not centered. For this, you'll need to use text-align:center in body and then text-align:left in #wrapper. As a side note, you can use #00c instead of #cc for your color declarations (format #aabbcc becomes #abc) For margin:1.2em 0em 1.2em 0em you can go shorthand like this margin:1.2em 0 (a 0 is a zero, no matter what dimension you chose). The drop-downs do not work in IE5.2/mac, but each of the first level This technique works in IE5 Mac: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/dropdown/default.asp If you read the last page of this article (pushing the envelope), you'll see that it is also a bit better in term of accessibility (re: tabbing navigation and JS-challenged browsers) Nice work, good luck with this project HTH, Thierry | http://www.TJKDesign.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History
congrats, very nice design :) 2 errors in home page http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/world-u23-championships/index.html cheers Daniel http://www.gizax.it Hope Stewart wrote: I've been working on a huge site for over a year and it still has a long way to go. Unfortunately, I had not heard about Web Standards until well after starting this site, but it's never too late! The latest section I'm about to add to the site is totally CSS and not a table in sight, except for tabular data. And after several days of trying, I finally got Suckerfish drop down menus to work. (Drop down menus are a non-negotiable requirement of the client, as is the huge sponsor's logo at the top of each page.) It is very important that this site be accessible and last well into the future -- unlike a commercial site, it is unlikely to get a major re-design every few years. So, I'd be very interested hear your comments. The design is very basic, but I've never claimed to be a graphic designer! The new draft section (on the World Under 23 Rowing Championships) can be found at: http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/world-u23-championships/index.html Compare this to my original bandwidth-hungry, table-orientated layout: http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/olympic-games/index.html I have been unable to test the new pages in Opera/win and IE5/win, so would be grateful if someone could have a look for me, particularly in regards to the drop-downs. The drop-downs do not work in IE5.2/mac, but each of the first level links will go to a page containing all the links in the drop-downs. So, accessibility is not reliant on the drop-downs. Regards, Hope Stewart ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History
On 28/4/05 6:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 errors in home page http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/world-u23- championships/index.html Thanks for this. Just goes to show that I need to validate EACH time I make changes! Cheers Hope(less) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History
On 28/4/05 8:46 PM, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only thing I really don't like is that when you click a link the top menu disappears and the only way I can get it back is to click the Back button. (I'm using IE6) If you click one of the links in the top green menu, it takes you to a different section of the site where my old table-driven design is. Only this World Under 23 Championships section has the new css design so far -- and it's not officially online yet. In this new section, I changed the old design by adding in the top green menu with drop-downs, the Search form and, underneath the top green menu, another drop-down menu for quick navigation within this section. If you click just within this section, you'll see how these items are on each page. All new sections will now have this format. Eventually, I'll convert the old sections into this new design. (Actually, I'll probably get my 18-year-old to do it. She's just bumped into a BMW and has an $1800 bill to pay. Ouch! She'll be motivated!) Thanks for your input. Cheers, Hope ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History
On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:29:27 -0400, Hope Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] So, I'd be very interested hear your comments. http://www.rowinghistory-aus.info/world-u23-championships/index.html Quick look in XP_SP2 at 1280 in Opera8.0 of the above page only: Seems fine on this end, although I can't for the life of me figure out what the bw image is that appears to be a grasshopper? Regards, Hope Stewart Regards, ~david ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History
Seems fine on this end, although I can't for the life of me figure out what the bw image is that appears to be a grasshopper? Haha - It's a grasshopper wearing a jail bird stripy outfit- haha.. Actually, looks like people rowing - like they're supposed to be in motion. ( I think) -David ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] site check please - Rowing History
On 29/4/05 1:30 PM, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seems fine on this end, although I can't for the life of me figure out what the bw image is that appears to be a grasshopper? Haha - It's a grasshopper wearing a jail bird stripy outfit- haha.. Actually, looks like people rowing - like they're supposed to be in motion. ( I think) It's part of the sponsor's banner that I have no control over. David is correct. It's an aerial view of two people in stripy singlets rowing. If you are really keen :-) you can have a look at a larger version of the image at the sponsor's site: http://www.sykes.com.au/_home.asp which I will quickly add I have never had anything to do with. I need to email their web developer to encourage him in the nicest way possible to look into web standards (trying to bring this thread back on topic) or at least to test the site in browsers other than just IE/win. It does not work (ie no menu bar -- a fairly critical item) in Firefox/win/mac and Safari. It does work in IE6/win and Opera/mac. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please!! Oh, you MAC people ... are you getting sick of me yet? ;~)
You have some problems on PC/FF as well...
The position:relative on the footer produces the horizontal scrollbar
on my PC. Furthermore something is wrong with your style sheet... I
don't get the footer bg img and the arrows, green side bar etc.
BTW... what is this style doing?
* {
padding:0;
margin:0;
border:0;
}
Kim
David R wrote:
Mani Sheriar wrote:
Hi All,
I have another request for a site check and, once again, Mac users are
especially needed.
Please see: http://www.manisheriar.com/globalrocket/indexNEW.htm
On Firefox 1.0 Win32, I get a horizontal scrollbar untill I increase
the browser window size beyond 1100 pixels wide
Renders fine in IE6 Win32.
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Re: [WSG] site check please - an illustrated novel
Hello, My only beef with this site is you seem to have *two* splash pages. One is bad enough... Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com designer wrote: Hi All, I would be grateful for any and all feedback on a redesign I've done for a site which presents an illustrated novel. Some of it is a weeny bit hybrid, but (a small amount of flash aside) it all validates as xhtml and presentational matter is down to an absolute minimum. I have not done anything with the 'illustrations' section, as it needs a complete rewrite. At the moment it can be seen at www.treyarnon.com - any helpful (or even rude :-) comments welcome. Thanks, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] site check please - an illustrated novel
Bob, Purely from the aesthetics level. Drop the entire first page - or two - The very first one blinked on my screen for perhaps 3 seconds and was gone. The second was the spinning record. The main window - number three, is where I should land right off - no other pages between me and your main menu. I suggest using the record in the main page (after dropping the first two pages). The record meaning is clear. As for the rear view mirror scene - I can understand it might be a visual reminder of the reflective character of the novel. Use it on a further page -perhaps on the introduction page instead of the animated pen-hand. Overall - I really like the uncluttered appearance. Download was speedy - no hassle at all. You may have a multitude of issues to contend with in the illustrated section. The disabilities act insists blind folks should have ready access. Have you thought that through yet? There are some previous discussions in the e-mail archives at WSG. I went to the validator of w3c using XHTML transitional. Here's the abbreviated error listing from the W3C validator for the 'record' page: 1.Line 32, column 179: there is no attribute NAME 2.Line 34, column 37: required attribute TYPE not specified 3. Line 41, column 40: required attribute TYPE not specified 4. Line 45, column 37: required attribute TYPE not specified 5. Line 48, column 17: document type does not allow element NOSCRIPT here; missing one of APPLET, OBJECT, MAP, IFRAME, BUTTON start-tag 6. Line 50, column 49: cannot generate system identifier for general entity j 7. Line 50, column 49: general entity j not defined and no default entity 8. Line 50, column 50: reference to entity j for which no system identifier could be generated 9. Line 50, column 48: entity was defined here The validator then read: http://www.treyarnon.fsworld.co.uk/openingpage/opening.html and lists 7 errors that focus on the 'content' section near bottom of the XHTML page code for the flash movie: 1. Line 82, column 19: there is no attribute src 2. Line 82, column 43: there is no attribute quality 3. Line 82, column 62: there is no attribute pluginspage 4. Line 82, column 113: there is no attribute type 5. Line 82, column 151: there is no attribute width 6. Line 82, column 164: there is no attribute height 7. Line 82, column 169: element embed undefined Will Jensen Moscow, Russia [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Dec 8, 2004, at 5:08 PM, Tom Livingston wrote: Hello, My only beef with this site is you seem to have *two* splash pages. One is bad enough... Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com designer wrote: Hi All, I would be grateful for any and all feedback on a redesign I've done for a site which presents an illustrated novel. Some of it is a weeny bit hybrid, but (a small amount of flash aside) it all validates as xhtml and presentational matter is down to an absolute minimum. I have not done anything with the 'illustrations' section, as it needs a complete rewrite. At the moment it can be seen at www.treyarnon.com - any helpful (or even rude :-) comments welcome. Thanks, Bob McClelland, Cornwall (U.K.) www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:31:50 +1100, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all :o) Would appreciate any comments. PLEASE NOTE: Mac people - sorry not there yet, so don't even bother. I've served you up a crappy print style sheet :o( Here she is - http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/withPassion/ Thanks in advance :o) Richard In Opera7.54 1280 optimal LCD: Appropriate color and layout. Body text and drop down menu items a bit too tiny (and not enough contrast)for me to read. Menu breaks left approx. 6px. Breaks right on clicked items, although not as much. Not holding when zoomed-- menu breaks approx. 60px right on 110% zoom. Best, David -- http://www.dlaakso.com/ Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Seona Bellamy wrote: Any PC users who want to look and give opinions would also be appreciated. :) The site: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/ You should try a better positioning-method for that curved menu. The items leave the curved background-image and ends up all over the place upon font-resizing in Opera, Firefox and IE6. It looks really nice when everything is in place though. Georg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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I see problems in both. In Safari 1.2.3, the navigation buttons separate (seeming to move progressively to the right), leaving funny white shapes where there should be a smooth grey curve. In IE 5.2, the footer is in the middle of the page, overlaying One House Productions - is... Looks good to me in Firefox 1.0. I'd love to make suggestions, but that will have to go to others more advanced in CSS than I. Best regards, Marilyn Langfeld http://www.langfeldesigns.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Could I please have a few Mac users (both IE and Safari) have a look at this page and tell me if it's working right?
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Hmm... Any suggestions about how I could better do it so that it stays put? I would have thought that absolute positioning with the coordinates given in px would have been fairly static. :( I'm not sure what else to try. Thanks for the compliment though. This is why I like working with a trained graphic designer - she comes up with designs I'd never even dream of. Conversely, it's why I don't like working with a trained graphic designer - she comes up with designs that are a cow to build to. ;) Cheers, Seona. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gunlaug Sørtun Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please (especially Mac) Seona Bellamy wrote: Any PC users who want to look and give opinions would also be appreciated. :) The site: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/ You should try a better positioning-method for that curved menu. The items leave the curved background-image and ends up all over the place upon font-resizing in Opera, Firefox and IE6. It looks really nice when everything is in place though. Georg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 __ ella for Spam Control has removed Spam messages and set aside Later for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! http://www.ellaforspam.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 attachment: winmail.dat
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Would you please send me screenshots of these problems off-list? If I can at least see exactly what is happening, I might be able to fix it. Email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Seona. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Marilyn LangfeldSent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 9:08 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please (especially Mac)I see problems in both. In Safari 1.2.3, the navigation buttons separate (seeming to move progressively to the right), leaving funny white shapes where there should be a smooth grey curve.In IE 5.2, the footer is in the middle of the page, overlaying "One House Productions - is..."Looks good to me in Firefox 1.0.I'd love to make suggestions, but that will have to go to others more advanced in CSS than I.Best regards,Marilyn Langfeldhttp://www.langfeldesigns.com[EMAIL PROTECTED]Could I please have a few Mac users (both IE and Safari) have a look at thispage and tell me if it's working right? ella for Spam Control has removed 5379 Spam messages and set aside 0 Later for meYou can use it too - and it's FREE!www.ellaforspam.com
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Maybe add a slight outline/glow/etc effect to the menu items as they don't stand out too well, especially when hovering. Also find a way of reducing image size that doesn't result in noticeable grain. Later Seona Bellamy wrote: Hi guys, Could I please have a few Mac users (both IE and Safari) have a look at this page and tell me if it's working right? My friend has looked at it on her Mac and reported a few problems, but since her computer's been playing up lately I want to check that there is actually a problem and not just her system being weird. If you do see anything odd or not working, can you please have a peep at the code and let me know what's causing it? Any PC users who want to look and give opinions would also be appreciated. :) The site: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/ CSS: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/_styles/main_styles.css and http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/_styles/classes.css Cheers, Seona. __ ella for Spam Control has removed Spam messages and set aside Later for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! http://www.ellaforspam.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Thanks. I'll pass those suggestions on to her, since the design is hers (I'm deliberately making this one not my problem - I have enough problems getting this site up and running...). Anyone have any more suggestions about what to do about the glitching positioning in Mac browsers? I'm at a total loss. Cheers, Seona. Quoting Jixor - Stephen I [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe add a slight outline/glow/etc effect to the menu items as they don't stand out too well, especially when hovering. Also find a way of reducing image size that doesn't result in noticeable grain. Later Seona Bellamy wrote: Hi guys, Could I please have a few Mac users (both IE and Safari) have a look at this page and tell me if it's working right? My friend has looked at it on her Mac and reported a few problems, but since her computer's been playing up lately I want to check that there is actually a problem and not just her system being weird. If you do see anything odd or not working, can you please have a peep at the code and let me know what's causing it? Any PC users who want to look and give opinions would also be appreciated. :) The site: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/ CSS: http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/_styles/main_styles.css and http://www.onehouseproductions.com/ohp2/_styles/classes.css Cheers, Seona. __ ella for Spam Control has removed Spam messages and set aside Later for me You can use it too - and it's FREE! http://www.ellaforspam.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.802 / Virus Database: 545 - Release Date: 26/11/2004 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Seona Bellamy wrote:
Hmm... Any suggestions about how I could better do it so that it
stays put? I would have thought that absolute positioning with the
coordinates given in px would have been fairly static. :( I'm not
sure what else to try.
You are relative-positioning those links inside an absolute-positioned
ul. That's not stable enough.
I tested the following on your page:
#nav li, #nav li a {position: absolute; /* was relative */}
#nav #login {top: 54px;left: 69px;width: 60px;}
#nav #home {left: 37px;top: 87px;}
#nav #graphic {top: 130px;}
#nav #video {top: 174px;left: 15px;}
#nav #cdrom {top: 217px;left: 62px;}
#nav #photo {top: 256px;left: 85px;}
#nav #web {top: 287px;left: 131px;}
#nav #branding {top: 323px;left: 178px;}
#nav #contact { top: 374px;left: 250px;}
Opera, Firefox and IE6 landed on the same positions, regardless of
font-size and other variables. Just changed the top-values, and left the
finetuning to you.
I wouldn't be surprised if IE/Mac and Safari got it right also on these
values, but I can't test that.
Georg
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Aloha, Cosmetically, it looks okay. There's one bug where the top navigation element sticks out of the left side, and doesn't reach the right side completely. Your dropdown menus function perfectly, but it would be better to make those liks use the pointer cursor on mouseover, as to indicate to the common user that these are links. The text below with passion on the header is very hard to read, darken it up a little bit. your index page has 13 html errors, you should validate your entire website prior to going public - http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/withPassion/ . Good Luck. Love, Mike Bailey Richard Czeiger wrote: Hi all :o) Would appreciate any comments. PLEASE NOTE: Mac people - sorry not there yet, so don't even bother. I've served you up a crappy print style sheet :o( Here she is - http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/withPassion/ Thanks in advance :o) Richard ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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I don't like the disconnect between the word pairs flowers plants and wedding events. If they share the same drop down, they should look like they share the same button. In ff1.0 the topnav sits about 10 pixels too far left, outside the main section. Are there hover effects on the various action items? I don't see them on bookmark us, flower lovers club, etc. The topnav isn't clickable. Do you have landing pages for the top nav elements? Ted -Original Message-From: Richard Czeiger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:32 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] Site Check Please Hi all :o) Would appreciate any comments. PLEASE NOTE: Mac people - sorry not there yet, so don't even bother. I've served you up a crappy print style sheet :o( Here she is - http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/withPassion/ Thanks in advance :o) Richard
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Agree with Ted completely on the disconnect on those word pairs. Like the overall design. The 10px shift does exist in firefox, which, actually, does seem a bit visual interesting to me, even if it was unintended (naturally, cross browser uniformity would be good) only nearly-bothersome thing I saw is the mouseover images take a second, and when I was moving quickly, them flashing was a little confusing. Maybe consider using a preloader? (Is this still done? I don't typically do image rollovers on my sites) Personally, the lack of hover effect on those other elements dosn't bother me greatly, but it might be more interesting if they had some sort of effect. looks good ~j On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 17:00:28 -0800, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't like the disconnect between the word pairs flowers plants and wedding events. If they share the same drop down, they should look like they share the same button. In ff1.0 the topnav sits about 10 pixels too far left, outside the main section. Are there hover effects on the various action items? I don't see them on bookmark us, flower lovers club, etc. The topnav isn't clickable. Do you have landing pages for the top nav elements? Ted -Original Message- From: Richard Czeiger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Site Check Please Hi all :o) Would appreciate any comments. PLEASE NOTE: Mac people - sorry not there yet, so don't even bother. I've served you up a crappy print style sheet :o( Here she is - http://www.grafx.com.au/wip/withPassion/ Thanks in advance :o) Richard -- Jonathan T. Sage Theatrical Lighting / Set Designer Professional Web Design [HTTP://www.JTSage.com] [HTTP://design.JTSage.com] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Thanks Ted and John :o) The disconnecting text is not something I can change as this design element was specified by the client. I've fixed the topNav -10px wierdness - only happened on the home page - quelle bizarre! :o) No hover effect on action items (yet) Top Nav landing pages do not exist (yet) - no content from client Preloader done - thought it was part of the menu javascript Thanks for the feedback! Richard ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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For me, the top nav is not only ten px to the left, it is also ten px up. Leaves a brown gap between your sliced images of the wedding couple. Not sure if that is fixed in your latest changes. Cheers Natalie On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 13:25:02 +1100, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ted and John :o) The disconnecting text is not something I can change as this design element was specified by the client. I've fixed the topNav -10px wierdness - only happened on the home page - quelle bizarre! :o) No hover effect on action items (yet) Top Nav landing pages do not exist (yet) - no content from client Preloader done - thought it was part of the menu javascript Thanks for the feedback! Richard ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Link? On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 07:20:04 +1100, James Gollan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a small issue on the home page with the hover state in firefox/win. On the link to the help page the hover state underline is pushing the content box and footer down by 1px creates a little visual jump on rollover. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Ok well compare that with this one: Median Windows Settings 96DPI (normal fonts) IE7.1 set to Medium How does one get IE 7.1? Oh DER!!! I'm using IE6.0.2900 - the one that came with WinXP Pro SP2. It's NETSCAPE that's up to 7.1. Whoops. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Michael Kear wrote: How does one get IE 7.1? Oh DER!!! I'm using IE6.0.2900 - the one that came with WinXP Pro SP2. It's NETSCAPE that's up to 7.1. Whoops. Netscape's been up to 7.2 since August. 7.1 has security bugs. -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** Rotary ONLY since 1973 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Michael, Whoops, that was a typo. I should, of course, have written 76% or 0.76em. I read somewhere (I'm sure someone on the list will remember where) that 76% works for all modern browsers better than 75%, because of a rendering difference in one of the browsers. -Hugh 5) I'd suggest setting your body font size to 76% or 0.7em. It looks just a little better at that size. It already is .7em, which is only half default size (49% of the total pixels per character box of the default size). Thanks for your thoughts Felix. The size is already at 0.7em because I adopted the excellent suggestion of Hugh Todd and changed it. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Hugh, thanks for your suggestions. I'm sorry that in the rush yesterday I didn't thank you for your input. I've implemented all of your suggestions and I have a better site now as a result. Thanks I notice that on one page now that the fonts are smaller, the flow of text has resulted in some orphan text alongside an image, so I'll have to change the standard image width a bit i think. But broadly speaking, the site is something I am quite pleased with.I should also say that the radio community is far more impressed than this group. I have had a number of gushing testimonials from webmasters at other stations.For the record, I've racked up 67 hours on this project so far, and maybe another 60 or so to go before I'll call it complete and in the maintenance only phase. In addition to the CSS, i've written all my own code. It's fully dynamic, with access going to be given to about 60 people to different parts of the site for different roles. Each can work on their own parts of the site without it appearing in public until it's ready and approved by someone with the right authority level. In addition we're going to be taking 2 web services feeds, and providing half a dozen to other sites.I'm really thrilled with how fast it loads even though it's hosted on a shared environment in the midwest of the USA.Anyway, thanks for everyone's help with this site (it's http://hawkradio.org.au if you're coming in late to the discussion) and I'm still interested in anyone's input about any aspect of the site, as long as it's polite.CheersMike KearAFP WebworksWindsor, NSW, Australia - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!Date: 15/11/04 10:06Michael,Whoops, that was a typo. I should, of course, have written "76% or0.76em".I read somewhere (I'm sure someone on the list will remember where)that 76% works for all modern browsers better than 75%, because of arendering difference in one of the browsers.-Hugh 5) I'd suggest setting your "body" font size to 76% or 0.7em. It looks just a little better at that size. It already is .7em, which is only half default size (49% of the total pixels per character box of the default size). Thanks for your thoughts Felix. The size is already at 0.7em because I adopted the excellent suggestion of Hugh Todd and changed it.**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.2 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
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Hugh Todd wrote: Michael wrote: I'd still welcome input from designers http://hawkradio.org.au 5) I'd suggest setting your body font size to 76% or 0.7em. It looks just a little better at that size. It already is .7em, which is only half default size (49% of the total pixels per character box of the default size). If one is using IE6 and the median screen resolution of 1024x768, scrolling is required to discover the H2 Too small to read? (which at 1.5em X 13px is ~2.5px smaller than my Gecko default). If one gets to the point of seeing it and clicking on it, he is delivered a page that also has everything except headings and TD (What's on the air today: data is much larger in IE than is p on the rest of the page) set to 13px (which is who knows how big compared to the user's default, which in my case translates to a minescule 35%), on this a page ostensibly intended to help the user overcome too small page text. How is a user supposed to read this? What a paradox - help that needs help! On this help page at the very least the help text should be big enough to read - e.g. 1.0em. But then that begs the question - if the text was big enough in the first place, the visitor wouldn't need the page in the first place, would he? The chevrons placed to the left of the teaserpara.h2 in Gecko are obscuring the h2 in IE. I didn't look into the why, but at higher resolutions, the topmost menu wraps below itself on top of the dark background. Also, the date is split into two parts, part on the left, the rest imposed illegibly on the dark blue background of the top of the schedule table. -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix Miata Sent: Sunday, 14 November 2004 6:36 AM 5) I'd suggest setting your body font size to 76% or 0.7em. It looks just a little better at that size. It already is .7em, which is only half default size (49% of the total pixels per character box of the default size). Thanks for your thoughts Felix. The size is already at 0.7em because I adopted the excellent suggestion of Hugh Todd and changed it. If one is using IE6 and the median screen resolution of 1024x768, scrolling is required to discover the H2 Too small to read? (which at 1.5em X 13px is ~2.5px smaller than my Gecko default). If one gets to the point of seeing it and clicking on it, he is delivered a page that also has everything except headings and TD (What's on the air today: data is much larger in IE than is p on the rest of the page) set to 13px (which is who knows how big compared to the user's default, which in my case translates to a minescule 35%), on this a page ostensibly intended to help the user overcome too small page text. How is a user supposed to read this? What a paradox - help that needs help! On this help page at the very least the help text should be big enough to read - e.g. 1.0em. But then that begs the question - if the text was big enough in the first place, the visitor wouldn't need the page in the first place, would he? I put the too small to read? page in there because the deputy chairman of the station who is overseeing the project couldn't read the site. In my browser, it all looks fine. In his it doesn't. It's a conundrum. If he set up his browser properly, the site would look ok. You don't think the 'help' page is much use obviously. Well my problem is, I can't see the issue I'm trying to solve. I don't know how to set up my browser wrongly so I get the same view that our deputy chairman does. You do apparently. Since the help page looks wrong to you, and I can't see the problem that I'm trying to solve, perhaps rather than merely criticising you could help me out here by suggesting what would be a better setting. I figured that for anyone who saw the text on the site as being too small, the only way I could give them a page that they could definitely see would be one with text fixed at the normal pixel size used in the old-fashioned sites - namely with body text fixed at 11-15 pixels (I chose 13px). To be honest I don't know how to deal with this issue and perhaps others might like to suggest a way. If they can't see the site because it's too small, and I want to keep the relative font sizing, how to I deliver a help page that they can see? It's silly to give them a page with fonts in relative sizes (1.0em) because that's the problem they're trying to solve! For the others that size is huge. The chevrons placed to the left of the teaserpara.h2 in Gecko are obscuring the h2 in IE. The chevrons obscuring text? Not in any browser I use at any resolution I've been able to test at. Perhaps you can give me some more details of your resolution settings, os etc. I didn't look into the why, but at higher resolutions, the topmost menu wraps below itself on top of the dark background. Also, the date is split into two parts, part on the left, the rest imposed illegibly on the dark blue background of the top of the schedule table. I'd be most grateful if you DID look into the why, because on my browsers, at all resolutions I can test at down to 800x600 (below that I'm not interested in) it scales nicely, and is right aligned, and comes across to about 80% of the width of the page. The remaining space is to be used by two more major divisions of the site once they're ready. I'm not sure what higher resolution you are using but I work at 1280x1024 and I don't know if many of our users are going to be going higher than that. If there are problems with layout higher at resolutions higher than 1280x1024 I guess we'll have to live with it. 2 or 3 users aren't going to be a problem. What higher resolution are you talking about, Felix? Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Michael Kear wrote: The size is already at 0.7em because I adopted the excellent suggestion of Hugh Todd and changed it. There is one flaw in how the font-size is implemented: IE/win is buggy if we apply too small font-size on body (less than 100%), and ems are buggy on body. The browsers own font-resizing steps becomes too large. I don't think anyone can read the text on that page if it is resized to smallest in IE/win now. (I've got a couple of screen shots, but I think every web designer with an IE6 in his/her backyard can test it). The right approach is to set font-size on body to 100.01%, and 76% (or something) on div#container in your case. IE6 will display it reasonably well then-- in all its 5 font-steps. I put the too small to read? page in there because the deputy chairman of the station who is overseeing the project couldn't read the site. In my browser, it all looks fine. In his it doesn't. It's a conundrum. If he set up his browser properly, the site would look ok. He, and a lot of other visitors, may have as little clue about how to set their browsers right as you may have setting them wrong... Well my problem is, I can't see the issue I'm trying to solve. I don't know how to set up my browser wrongly so I get the same view that our deputy chairman does. You do apparently. IMHO: we should all know how visitors _may_ set up their browsers. That knowledge may save us from a lot of complaints. To be honest I don't know how to deal with this issue and perhaps others might like to suggest a way. If you can't find a solution with relative font-size (which you should), then follow your own suggestion and set it to 13px on text until you have found a better solution. That's middle of the road size to most... If in doubt: set it slightly larger... If they can't see the site because it's too small, and I want to keep the relative font sizing, how to I deliver a help page that they can see? It's silly to give them a page with fonts in relative sizes (1.0em) because that's the problem they're trying to solve! For the others that size is huge. Only if you get the relative font-size wrong (see above). I think we all would be happy if every visitor knew exactly how to set their browsers correct for our sites. If we web designers don't know how to do this-- how can we expect everyone else to know? Alright, font-size issues will never be solved throughout internet, because there are too many personal preferences, and IE/win. They can be solved a lot better than they are on many sites though. I have given you a better way to avoid some bugs and other problems (see above), and that's it since it's only IE/win-users who have these problems. That probably cover most of your regular visitors. --- I don't know if any of your visitors use Opera, but the page is breaking in that browser. The navigation on top is displayed vertically on the right side, and the footer is displayed just below where the navigation should be. Things are a bit tight up there. No font-size problems though, and small text doesn't exist to a well-educated Opera-user anyway-- anywhere. Not in Moz/FF either. Something called minemum font size takes care of that. --- My general impression of the site is that its _too well thought out_ to be left with these weaknesses. It's all about some simple CSS-stuff, that can be tested and implemented over time, to make it really good and cross-browser stable. regards Georg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Michael Kear wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Felix Miata 5) I'd suggest setting your body font size to 76% or 0.7em. It looks just a little better at that size. It already is .7em, which is only half default size (49% of the total pixels per character box of the default size). Thanks for your thoughts Felix. The size is already at 0.7em because I adopted the excellent suggestion of Hugh Todd and changed it. Much too small. If you insist on using too small sizes, at least use % instead of em in the body rule so that IE6 won't fall apart: http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingEms http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/IE/IE6FontInherit.html If one is using IE6 and the median screen resolution of 1024x768, scrolling is required to discover the H2 Too small to read? (which at 1.5em X 13px is ~2.5px smaller than my Gecko default). If one gets to the point of seeing it and clicking on it, he is delivered a page that also has everything except headings and TD (What's on the air today: data is much larger in IE than is p on the rest of the page) set to 13px (which is who knows how big compared to the user's default, which in my case translates to a minescule 35%), on this a page ostensibly intended to help the user overcome too small page text. How is a user supposed to read this? What a paradox - help that needs help! On this help page at the very least the help text should be big enough to read - e.g. 1.0em. But then that begs the question - if the text was big enough in the first place, the visitor wouldn't need the page in the first place, would he? I put the too small to read? page in there because the deputy chairman of the station who is overseeing the project couldn't read the site. In my Could be his eyes are 20-40 years older than yours. browser, it all looks fine. In his it doesn't. It's a conundrum. If he set up his browser properly, the site would look ok. No, if you set your browser up properly before you started work on a site, it would look right in both your browser(s) and those of everyone else who has taken the trouble to suit their own needs by correctly setting defaults. You, as countless others, create problems because you DON'T configure your own to suit your own taste BEFORE beginning design work, instead assuming as do too many others, that most do nothing as do you yourself, and that those who do simply don't matter to you. You don't think the 'help' page is much use obviously. Well my problem is, I can't see the issue I'm trying to solve. I don't know how to set up my browser wrongly so I get the same view that our deputy chairman does. You Maybe you can't. Someone in that position might be using an expensive laptop, configured by default for high resolution, 1280x1024, 1400x1050 or 1600x1200. On these displays, 13px is tiny. A font that looks OK at 13px on 800x600 will not on 1600x1200, where 26px is required to render at the same physical height on a given size display. 1600x1200 isn't uncommon on CRT displays 19 or larger either. do apparently. Since the help page looks wrong to you, and I can't see the problem that I'm trying to solve, perhaps rather than merely criticising you could help me out here by suggesting what would be a better setting. I Since you apparently find 13px a good size, set your Gecko to 13px default, and your IE to smaller. figured that for anyone who saw the text on the site as being too small, the only way I could give them a page that they could definitely see would be one with text fixed at the normal pixel size used in the old-fashioned sites - namely with body text fixed at 11-15 pixels (I chose 13px). A normal text size is the browser default, whatever that may be. Most browsers that haven't had their settings touched start at 16px, though IE6 gets to 16px because of a 12pt default, which at the standard windoze 96 DPI font size setting translates to 16px. Whether that is a good default on any particular system depends on a multitude of factors, including: 1-display size (12 to 22 or more CRTs, and other types both larger and smaller) 2-display resolution (CRT 640x480 up to 2048x1536 or more, various others) 3-logical DPI (72 up to unlimited, with 120 not uncommon) 4-user's visual acuity (14 year old eyes, to 70 years or more) 5-font rendering capability of the OS (quite varied) 6-display's dot pitch (or equivalent) To be honest I don't know how to deal with this issue and perhaps others might like to suggest a way. If they can't see the site because it's too To see how others see it is necessary to use many settings combinations, whether that means one machine with many virtual machines, or many different machines and displays. small, and I want to keep the relative font sizing, how to I deliver a help page that they can see? It's silly to give them a page with fonts in relative sizes (1.0em) because that's the problem they're trying
RE: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Felix, I think you need to be a little less aggressive and judgemental in your opinions. You seem to be trying to make me out as an idiot and incompetent at setting up my system. In fact it's deliberately a default installation. I don't change my browser's defaults for fear of getting into the very situation you're trying to make out. Apparently you think I've tinkered around with my system to the extent that I don't know what the defaults are any more. Well the machine I develop my sites on is kept at a default installation for just this reason. You posted a picture of how it looks on your browser, but I've never seen it look like that on a mac, or on IE7, opera, Firefox (two versions) or Netscape. Here's what you posted: Median windoze settings: 96 DPI (small fonts) IE6 set to medium 1024x768 http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/hawkradioW98-IE1.png Ok well compare that with this one: Median Windows Settings 96DPI (normal fonts) IE7.1 set to Medium 1024x768 http://hawkradio.org.au/images/hawkradio1024x768.png You'll see that the text in the what's on today table on the right is smaller than body text, which is intended. (On yours the table text is much larger than body text) Body text is readable. The H2 headings on the home page are aligned as they ought to be, just to the right of the chevron graphic. I contend that since my IE7 looks the same as all the other browsers (with the exception of the opera menu issue described by someone else earlier) that it's in fact your ancient Win98/IE6 that's the problem I need to find a hack for, not my competence in setting up my machine. ( yes, I DO need to find a solution because there will be site users with that configuration) I said I needed to put the help page there because the deputy chairman of the station was having problems reading the site and you made a stupid comment that maybe his eyes were much older than mine. You don't know anything about the situation here so don't make idiotic assumptions. It doesn't matter if he is older than me or not (actually he's 15 years younger) and it makes no difference anyway. And I find your assertion that You, as countless others, create problems because you DON'T configure your own to suit your own taste BEFORE beginning design work, instead assuming as do too many others, that most do nothing as do you yourself, and that those who do simply don't matter to you.. to be quite offensive. I do care about the site's users. The site is there for them and for the radio station not for me. Felix I'm perfectly ready to acknowledge I'm a learner. I've been a learner for 54 years. I've only built 10 CSS sites, so I have a lot to learn. But if you want anyone to pay attention to your opinions you need to learn to show a bit of respect and use less intemperate language. Back off buster. If you have some thing to say I'm interested to know what it is but if you are just going to be offensive you don't count in my view. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com .com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Michael Kear wrote: Here's what you posted: Median windoze settings: 96 DPI (small fonts) IE6 set to medium 1024x768 http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/hawkradioW98-IE1.png It turns out that PC I had intentionally left at IE5 on purpose, but forgot today when using it to visit http://hawkradio.org.au. So, I've renamed it: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/hawkradioW98-IE5.png The large fonts in the schedule table would probably instead more closely match the smaller in other browsers by changing the body rule from em to %. Then again, IE isn't known for good table inheritance behavior, independent of its well known problem with using small em instead of % in body. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=UsingEms Two new ones: WinXP at 96 DPI IE6 small fonts set to medium 1024x768 http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/hawkradio-IE6XP096-07.PNG WinXP at 120 DPI IE6 large fonts set to medium 1280x1024 http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/tmp/hawkradio-IE6XP120-02.PNG These do look pretty much identical to Gecko. Ok well compare that with this one: Median Windows Settings 96DPI (normal fonts) IE7.1 set to Medium How does one get IE 7.1? 1024x768 http://hawkradio.org.au/images/hawkradio1024x768.png -- Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof... U.S. Constitution, Amendment 1 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
Hey Michael, Looks great! One thing I would say is that the menu structure may be confusing - maybe not. But whenever the menu drops down - eg: for ABOUT. I didnt think there would or should be differnt links for the two menu items called about... it looks like this: ABOUT ABOUT GEEKY STUFF STATION NEWS The top level about, and the 2nd level About are both different links... Maybe that just confused me. also. is this you? MUSIC FROM FOGGY HOLLOW http://hawkradio.org.au/bluegrass/ with Mike Kear Bluegrass, Newgrass Acoustic Country ?? Michael Kear wrote: You might recall that some time ago I offered the opportunity to starting-designers to have a go at designing a radio station web site. I said there was no money involved but wed try to pay with advertising and promotion etc for the designer. Well heres progress on whats happened. Through my own lack of organisation I was unable to get our end sorted out to brief a designer, so I had to design it all myself. Im still not 100% happy with the way it looks, and Id still welcome input from designers, on the same basis perhaps replace the existing style sheets with a better design from an aesthetic standpoint if anyone wants to do it, but the site is in a whole nother league than the one that preceeded it and which I inherited two years ago. The url is http://hawkradio.org.au http://hawkradio.org.au/ and its a fully dynamic site. The server is in the Midwest of the USA, but the site knows the time of day in Windsor, and can show the current programme details and whats on today. Were going to have a lot more information about the shows. When I have finished removing the last few bugs from the content management system, Im going to allow some shows to have their own sub-site so they can post playlists, information, recipes, garden notes, sports scores or whatever is appropriate to their shows, and profiles of the presenters. Theyll all be maintained by the djs themselves without needing input from me, although some will require approval from the programme management before their work goes live. Im adding a news feed from the Sydney Morning Herald in a few days, and a calendar of community events which will be input by the local Rotary, Lions, Chamber of commerce and other community groups. This will be used for input to the whats on around the Hawkesbury page as well as getting more listener involvement. Also to come is a photo gallery pictures of the station out and about around the Hawkesbury, and our happy smiling faces of listeners. Believe it or not there are lots and LOTS of them, and when we go to local events nearly every weekend, we have hundreds of people coming over and telling us they listen and like us better than the big city commercial stations. They say we play more varied material and they get bored with the same 40 songs day after day on the commercial stations. Were working up packages for advertising too. Were restricted by our licence to carrying a maximum of 4 minutes of ads per hour, so we can add value to the ad packages by putting banners, links, spots and other messages on our web site which isnt restricted at all. The sites built to XHTML1.0 transitional, mostly because the WYSIWYG editor doesnt produce valid XHTML strict, and the programme guide page is a long way from valid. But its a tricky bit of code and Im too busy right now to rebuild it. But its on the list. Id love to know what you all think. I think its not too bad for a colour-challenged code monkey Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com .com, .net, .org etc domains start at A$20/year -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally!
G'day Chris Thanks for pointing that menu thing out. Somewhere along the line I've changed a setting somewhere because that other 'About' is supposed to say 'About the web site'. And yes, it's me. My show is a specialty bluegrass music show from 2am - dawn every Friday to about 3000 people around Sydney and replayed 10 times a week on the internet station http://bluegrasscountry.org to about 85,000 people a week. (more than 2SM in Sydney at peak time!) Not bad for volunteer run show in a very niche music huh. g That sound you hear is my horn tooting as I blow it. No one else is going to! Cheers Mike Kear p.s. I'm really sorry to the half dozen or so people who volunteered to design the site. You weren't selected, not because you weren't good enough, but because I couldn't get my ducks in a row in time to do it all. My apologies to you all, and thanks for volunteering anyway. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Stratford Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2004 5:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please - launched it finally! Hey Michael, Looks great! One thing I would say is that the menu structure may be confusing - maybe not. But whenever the menu drops down - eg: for ABOUT. I didnt think there would or should be differnt links for the two menu items called about... it looks like this: ABOUT ABOUT GEEKY STUFF STATION NEWS The top level about, and the 2nd level About are both different links... Maybe that just confused me. also. is this you? MUSIC FROM FOGGY HOLLOW http://hawkradio.org.au/bluegrass/ with Mike Kear Bluegrass, Newgrass Acoustic Country ?? Michael Kear wrote: You might recall that some time ago I offered the opportunity to starting-designers to have a go at designing a radio station web site. I said there was no money involved but we'd try to pay with advertising and promotion etc for the designer. Well here's progress on what's happened. Through my own lack of organisation I was unable to get our end sorted out to brief a designer, so I had to design it all myself. I'm still not 100% happy with the way it looks, and I'd still welcome input from designers, on the same basis - perhaps replace the existing style sheets with a better design from an aesthetic standpoint if anyone wants to do it, but the site is in a whole 'nother league than the one that preceeded it and which I inherited two years ago. The url is http://hawkradio.org.au http://hawkradio.org.au/ and it's a fully dynamic site. The server is in the Midwest of the USA, but the site knows the time of day in Windsor, and can show the current programme details and what's on today. We're going to have a lot more information about the shows. When I have finished removing the last few bugs from the content management system, I'm going to allow some shows to have their own sub-site so they can post playlists, information, recipes, garden notes, sports scores or whatever is appropriate to their shows, and profiles of the presenters. They'll all be maintained by the djs themselves without needing input from me, although some will require approval from the programme management before their work goes live. I'm adding a news feed from the Sydney Morning Herald in a few days, and a calendar of community events which will be input by the local Rotary, Lions, Chamber of commerce and other community groups. This will be used for input to the what's on around the Hawkesbury page as well as getting more listener involvement. Also to come is a photo gallery - pictures of the station out and about around the Hawkesbury, and our happy smiling faces of listeners. Believe it or not there are lots and LOTS of them, and when we go to local events nearly every weekend, we have hundreds of people coming over and telling us they listen and like us better than the big city commercial stations. They say we play more varied material and they get bored with the same 40 songs day after day on the commercial stations. We're working up packages for advertising too. We're restricted by our licence to carrying a maximum of 4 minutes of ads per hour, so we can add value to the ad packages by putting banners, links, spots and other messages on our web site which isn't restricted at all. The site's built to XHTML1.0 transitional, mostly because the WYSIWYG editor doesn't produce valid XHTML strict, and the programme guide page is a long way from valid. But it's a tricky bit of code and I'm too busy right now to rebuild it. But it's on the list. I'd love to know what you all think. I think it's not too bad for a colour-challenged code monkey Cheers Mike Kear AFP Webworks Windsor, NSW, Australia http://afpwebworks.com .com, .net, .org etc domains start at A$20/year -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com
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I want to go there - now!!! Nice clean layout. Lovely use of imagery. Maybe a few too many font sizes and as said before the Menu section - cuisine section needs to fit better with the overall design. Also one error - the time is London is an hour out - currently the site says 10.27am when in fact it's 9.27am - we're back on GMT!! One final thing - it doesn't tell me how much it costs to stay there - I know if you have to ask you can't aford itbut I'd still like to know. Regards Paul West Experience the Experience -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simon dodson Sent: 10 November 2004 00:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Site Check please Hi Guys, About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.matamanoa.com/new/ Rgds n thanks Simon ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On 11/10/04 1:44 AM Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: The time for Sydney is also one hour off, it says 07:40 PM when it should be 08:40PM looks like you need to add some backend logic to adjust dates for daylight savings PHP always uses server time AFAIK and there's no way to adjust for time zones since PHP cannot determine what time zone a client is in, at least in the research I did a couple of years ago. Javascript can use the client computer's clock time, but PHP cannot as it's a server-side language. Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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sure but the site is displaying the time in major cities round the world, not local time for the user eg: on my contact form http://www.bhatt.id.au/contactus.php the PHP code has daylight savings logic in it, This is because I am in NSW (with daylight savings Nov-Mar), and my server is in Queensland (with no daylight savings Nov-Mar), and so I have to add a 1 hour offet to the server time between Nov-Mar to ensure it displays the correct time in Sydney Neerav Bhatt http://www.bhatt.id.au Web Development IT consultancy http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/ - Ramblings Thoughts http://www.bhatt.id.au/photos/ http://www.bookcrossing.com/mybookshelf/neerav Rick Faaberg wrote: On 11/10/04 1:44 AM Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: The time for Sydney is also one hour off, it says 07:40 PM when it should be 08:40PM looks like you need to add some backend logic to adjust dates for daylight savings PHP always uses server time AFAIK and there's no way to adjust for time zones since PHP cannot determine what time zone a client is in, at least in the research I did a couple of years ago. Javascript can use the client computer's clock time, but PHP cannot as it's a server-side language. Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Simple - just do this: $timeval = time() + 3600 * houroffsethere Rick Faaberg wrote: On 11/10/04 1:44 AM Neerav [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent this out: The time for Sydney is also one hour off, it says 07:40 PM when it should be 08:40PM looks like you need to add some backend logic to adjust dates for daylight savings PHP always uses server time AFAIK and there's no way to adjust for time zones since PHP cannot determine what time zone a client is in, at least in the research I did a couple of years ago. Javascript can use the client computer's clock time, but PHP cannot as it's a server-side language. Rick Faaberg ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Chris Stratford [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.neester.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 02:46:01 -0800, Rick Faaberg wrote: Javascript can use the client computer's clock time, but PHP cannot as it's a server-side language. The only workaround I have ever managed is to do a dodgy on all pages that link to the page of interest so that the link is written with javascript to pass the timezone and *then* php will know the client timezone. Bit dodgy, though. HIH Lea -- Lea de Groot Elysian Systems - I Understand the Internet http://elysiansystems.com/ Search Engine Optimisation, Usability, Information Architecture, Web Design Brisbane, Australia ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
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Looks great -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simon dodson Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2004 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Site Check please Hi Guys, About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.matamanoa.com/new/ Rgds n thanks Simon ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check please
Hi Simon My main concern is your menu: li id=homea href=index.php/a/li There is no title on the href, and as the images are done as backgrounds, there is no indication of what is here when I have images off. I really like the design and balance. Natalie On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:40:16 +1000, simon dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.matamanoa.com/new/ Rgds n thanks Simon ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check please
Hi Simon My main concern is your menu: li id=homea href=index.php/a/li There is no title on the href, and as the images are done as backgrounds, there is no indication of what is here when I have images off. I really like the design and balance. Natalie On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:40:16 +1000, simon dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.matamanoa.com/new/ Rgds n thanks Simon ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check please
Hi Simon My main concern is your menu: li id=homea href=index.php/a/li There is no title on the href, and as the images are done as backgrounds, there is no indication of what is here when I have images off. I really like the design and balance. Natalie On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:40:16 +1000, simon dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.matamanoa.com/new/ Rgds n thanks Simon ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check please
Hi Simon My main concern is your menu: li id=homea href=index.php/a/li There is no title on the href, and as the images are done as backgrounds, there is no indication of what is here when I have images off. I really like the design and balance. Natalie On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:40:16 +1000, simon dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.matamanoa.com/new/ Rgds n thanks Simon ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site Check please
Natalie you just sent 4 of the same email. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Natalie Buxton Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2004 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Site Check please Hi Simon My main concern is your menu: li id=homea href=index.php/a/li There is no title on the href, and as the images are done as backgrounds, there is no indication of what is here when I have images off. I really like the design and balance. Natalie On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:40:16 +1000, simon dodson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Guys, About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.matamanoa.com/new/ Rgds n thanks Simon ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check please
About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.matamanoa.com/new/ Hi The box for the flash is a little too wide in firefox - I say box, becasue I leave my browsers as shipped and so don't have flash installed in firefox because so many of the clients i deal with don't install or download anything I did go look in IE 6 (win xp) since I have flash there :) and though I'm not a fan of flash, it's a nice presentation. I would sugest adding in a language attribute to your html tag, and since it's xhtml 1 trans., how about html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en It views nicely when you resize the window, and the text except for the menu (well and the tiels since you're using images) resized fine in FireFox, but for some reason, wouldn't resize at all for me in IE and I didn't take the time to find out why. I didn't see a link to a site map any where, and that's always the first thing I look for. Your reservations form doesn't use any accessibility features like fieldsets, legends or labels, and I feel all forms should use these. It also relies on a table which makes accessibility even harder. You could do this all in css with the proper accessibility and it would look good and act well - but then, not every developer uses these, so it's just how I feel about it. Very cool locations map - easy to read - iwell except if you're color blind, then the green crossing the red is very hard to diferentiate, it might be a good idea to make one of the lines dotted. I know that's picky. FOr my eyes I really liked it! I also liked the hide and show the meal and other rates under cusine. Over all , a nice site -- Susan R. Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check please
simon dodson wrote: Hi Guys, About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.matamanoa.com/new/ Rgds n thanks Simon Fine in Opera. No image: Home|About|Reservations -- any browser with out Flash. Can't zoom text in IE. David http://www.dlaakso.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Site Check please--Addendum
David Laakso wrote: simon dodson wrote: Hi Guys, About to Launch this site, but before it goes could you please take a look and tell me what you think. http://www.matamanoa.com/new/ Rgds n thanks Simon Fine in Opera. No image: Home|About|Reservations -- any browser with out Flash. Can't zoom text in IE. David Oops. No image in Opera with flash enabled, but JavaScript disabled. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
