Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Reino Talarmo via wsjt-devel
Hi Andy and all,

The protocol is flexible on that issue. The original weak signal QSO do contain 
a “RRR” that is “confirmed” by a “73” to keep both sizes of the QSO happy. 
The “RR73” is really intended for “strong signal” QSO’s and then the “73” is 
not needed to keep the QSO time short.

 

73, Reino OH3mA

 

From: Andrew Neumeier via wsjt-devel [mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net] 
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 1:05 AM
To: Neil Zampella via wsjt-devel 
Cc: Andrew Neumeier 
Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

 

In some cases the use of RR73 is problematic.  I operate FT8 almost exclusively 
on 2 meters, weak signal.  If I am working a very weak station, and that 
station chooses to use RR73 instead of 73, there

is a good chance that I have not received it, especially if I am waiting for a 
qsb peak on the signal.  By sending RR73 that station assumes we are done once 
RR73 is sent, but we may not be done.  I continue

sending a signal report, while the station I was in contact with is off working 
another station.  I may then fail to log that qso, since it is incomplete, 
unless the station realizes the mistake and continues the qso.   

 

On occasion I have even seen RR73 used in MSK144 or even Q65 which is just out 
of line in weak signal, or meteor scatter work.  

 

When working weak signals I don't think RR73 should ever be used and I never 
use it myself.  

 

73,

Andy, ka2uqw

 

 

 

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 04:53:15 PM EDT, Neil Zampella via wsjt-devel 
mailto:wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > 
wrote: 

 

 

FWIW ... if you received an RR73 .. there is no need to reply.   

The station is saying that RR I got your last, and 'over and out' ...  

The other party is not waiting for your reply, they're on to another contact.

Neil, KN3ILZ



On 10/21/2023 1:14 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.

 

I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending 73 
after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H active but 
not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched in software if 
F/H mode has been used but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.

 

Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?

 

73,

Andy, k3wyc

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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Ed W0YK via wsjt-devel
If you don't print the RR73,  then repeat your QSL/exchange message.  If you 
never receive the RR73, then don't log the QSO.   How many times you repeat 
your QSL/exchange message is a judgment call.  It's a tradeoff between 
completing the QSO and moving on to the next one.73,Ed W0YK
 Original message From: Andrew Neumeier via wsjt-devel 
 Date: 10/21/23  15:08  (GMT-08:00) To: Neil 
Zampella via wsjt-devel  Cc: Andrew Neumeier 
 Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73? 
In some cases the use of RR73 is problematic.  I operate FT8 almost 
exclusively on 2 meters, weak signal.  If I am working a very weak station, and 
that station chooses to use RR73 instead of 73, thereis a good chance that I 
have not received it, especially if I am waiting for a qsb peak on the signal.  
By sending RR73 that station assumes we are done once RR73 is sent, but we may 
not be done.  I continuesending a signal report, while the station I was in 
contact with is off working another station.  I may then fail to log that qso, 
since it is incomplete, unless the station realizes the mistake and continues 
the qso.   On occasion I have even seen RR73 used in MSK144 or even Q65 which 
is just out of line in weak signal, or meteor scatter work.  When working weak 
signals I don't think RR73 should ever be used and I never use it myself.  
73,Andy, ka2uqw





On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 04:53:15 PM EDT, Neil 
Zampella via wsjt-devel  wrote:




FWIW ... if you received an RR73 .. there is no need to reply.  
  
  
  The station is saying that RR I got your last, and 'over and out'
  ...  
  
  The other party is not waiting for your reply, they're on to
  another contact.
  
  Neil, KN3ILZ
  
  

On 10/21/2023 1:14 PM, Andy Durbin
  wrote:


  
WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.
  

  
  
I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by
sending 73 after I had received an RR73.  This is expected
operation with F/H active but not when F/H is not active.  I
suspect that something is latched in software if F/H mode has
been used but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.
  

  
  
Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?
  

  
  
73,
  
Andy, k3wyc

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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Ed W0YK via wsjt-devel
RR73 completes the QSO.   Both QSO partners have sent calls, exchanges and 
QSLs.  Am additional 73 message is a waste of time.73,Ed W0YK
 Original message From: sdegroff via wsjt-devel 
 Date: 10/21/23  13:18  (GMT-08:00) To: WSJT 
software development  Cc: sdegroff 
 Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73? I 
don't know what F/H is,  but i have seen wsjtx hang and not complete the qso 
after RR73.Stan DeGroff W8SRDSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy 
smartphone Original message From: Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel 
 Date: 10/21/23  3:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Andy Durbin  Subject: 
[wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73? 

WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.




I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending 73 
after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H active but 
not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched in software if 
F/H mode has been used
 but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.




Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?




73,

Andy, k3wyc


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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Ed W0YK via wsjt-devel
+173,Ed W0YK
 Original message From: Ron WV4P via wsjt-devel 
 Date: 10/21/23  13:02  (GMT-08:00) To: WSJT 
software development  Cc: Ron WV4P 
 Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73? I wish 
this was THE way, the useless final 73 should have never existed and is the 
bain of the mode.  Ron, WV4P On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 2:55 PM Andy Durbin via 
wsjt-devel  wrote:






WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.




I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending 73 
after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H active but 
not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched in software if 
F/H mode has been used
 but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.




Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?




73,

Andy, k3wyc


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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Jim Shorney via wsjt-devel


You CQ DX message should be in TX6.

73

-Jim
NU0C

On Sat, 21 Oct 2023 19:33:18 +
Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel  wrote:

> After a review of ALL.TXT I no longer think this was related to prior use of 
> F/H mode.  I had set TX5 to a "CQ DX message" and that was auto sequenced 
> after RR73 was received.
> 
> I'll need to be careful to ensure TX5 is set correctly when in QSO.
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Black Michael via wsjt-devel
Fox/Hound
For dxpeditions...see the Help
Mike W9MDB

 

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 11:24:46 PM CDT, sdegroff via wsjt-devel 
 wrote:  
 
 What is F/H mode ?


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message From: sdegroff via wsjt-devel 
 Date: 10/21/23 11:22 PM (GMT-05:00) To: WSJT 
software development  Cc: sdegroff 
 Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73? 
Huh?


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

 Original message From: Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel 
 Date: 10/21/23 7:06 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 
wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Andy Durbin  Subject: 
Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73? 
After a review of ALL.TXT I no longer think this was related to prior use of 
F/H mode.  I had set TX5 to a "CQ DX message" and that was auto sequenced after 
RR73 was received.
I'll need to be careful to ensure TX5 is set correctly when in QSO. 
73,Andy, k3wyc



From: Andy Durbin
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 12:14 PM
To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: No 73 allowed after RR73? WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.
I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending 73 
after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H active but 
not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched in software if 
F/H mode has been used but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.
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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread sdegroff via wsjt-devel
What is F/H mode ?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: sdegroff via wsjt-devel 
 Date: 10/21/23  11:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
WSJT software development  Cc: sdegroff 
 Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73? 
Huh?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Original message 
From: Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel  
Date: 10/21/23  7:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: 
Andy Durbin  Subject: Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after 
RR73? 

After a review of ALL.TXT I no longer think this was related to prior use of 
F/H mode.  I had set TX5 to a "CQ DX message" and that was auto sequenced after 
RR73 was received.




I'll need to be careful to ensure TX5 is set correctly when in QSO. 




73,

Andy, k3wyc














From: Andy Durbin
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 12:14 PM
To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: No 73 allowed after RR73?
 






WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.




I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending 73 
after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H active but 
not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched in software if 
F/H mode has been used
 but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.




Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?




73,

Andy, k3wyc



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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread sdegroff via wsjt-devel
Huh?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel 
 Date: 10/21/23  7:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Andy Durbin  Subject: 
Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73? 

After a review of ALL.TXT I no longer think this was related to prior use of 
F/H mode.  I had set TX5 to a "CQ DX message" and that was auto sequenced after 
RR73 was received.




I'll need to be careful to ensure TX5 is set correctly when in QSO. 




73,

Andy, k3wyc














From: Andy Durbin
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 12:14 PM
To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: No 73 allowed after RR73?
 






WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.




I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending 73 
after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H active but 
not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched in software if 
F/H mode has been used
 but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.




Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?




73,

Andy, k3wyc



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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel
After a review of ALL.TXT I no longer think this was related to prior use of 
F/H mode.  I had set TX5 to a "CQ DX message" and that was auto sequenced after 
RR73 was received.

I'll need to be careful to ensure TX5 is set correctly when in QSO.

73,
Andy, k3wyc





From: Andy Durbin
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2023 12:14 PM
To: wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
Subject: No 73 allowed after RR73?

WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.

I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending 73 
after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H active but 
not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched in software if 
F/H mode has been used but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.

Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?

73,
Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Gary McDuffie via wsjt-devel


> On Oct 21, 2023, at 16:04, Andrew Neumeier via wsjt-devel 
>  wrote:
> 
>  If I am working a very weak station, and that station chooses to use RR73 
> instead of 73, there
> is a good chance that I have not received it, especially if I am waiting for 
> a qsb peak on the signal.

And that’s why RR73 isn’t supposed to be used on weak signal work.  
Specifically, RR73 is for use when a repeat transmission will not be called 
for.  QSB should obviously negate that thought.

That said, I sometimes send RR73 when I don’t mean to because I moved off of a 
stable band to one that is questionable and don’t realize it (not think to 
check it).  It only happens once, as I noticed it immediately and make the 
change before the next contact.

73, Gary 

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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Andrew Neumeier via wsjt-devel
 In some cases the use of RR73 is problematic.  I operate FT8 almost 
exclusively on 2 meters, weak signal.  If I am working a very weak station, and 
that station chooses to use RR73 instead of 73, thereis a good chance that I 
have not received it, especially if I am waiting for a qsb peak on the signal.  
By sending RR73 that station assumes we are done once RR73 is sent, but we may 
not be done.  I continuesending a signal report, while the station I was in 
contact with is off working another station.  I may then fail to log that qso, 
since it is incomplete, unless the station realizes the mistake and continues 
the qso.   

On occasion I have even seen RR73 used in MSK144 or even Q65 which is just out 
of line in weak signal, or meteor scatter work.  

When working weak signals I don't think RR73 should ever be used and I never 
use it myself.  

73,Andy, ka2uqw


On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 04:53:15 PM EDT, Neil Zampella via 
wsjt-devel  wrote:  
 
  
FWIW ... if you received an RR73 .. there is no need to reply.   
 
 The station is saying that RR I got your last, and 'over and out' ...  
 
 The other party is not waiting for your reply, they're on to another contact.
 
 Neil, KN3ILZ
 
 
 
 On 10/21/2023 1:14 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
  
 
 WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.  
   I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending 73 
after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H active but 
not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched in software if 
F/H mode has been used but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.  
   Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?  
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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Neil Zampella via wsjt-devel

FWIW ... if you received an RR73 .. there is no need to reply.

The station is saying that RR I got your last, and 'over and out' ...

The other party is not waiting for your reply, they're on to another
contact.

Neil, KN3ILZ


On 10/21/2023 1:14 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:

WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.

I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by
sending 73 after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation
with F/H active but not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that
something is latched in software if F/H mode has been used but is then
exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.

Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?

73,
Andy, k3wyc
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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread sdegroff via wsjt-devel
I don't know what F/H is,  but i have seen wsjtx hang and not complete the qso 
after RR73.Stan DeGroff W8SRDSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
 Original message From: Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel 
 Date: 10/21/23  3:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 
wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: Andy Durbin  Subject: 
[wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73? 

WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.




I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending 73 
after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H active but 
not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched in software if 
F/H mode has been used
 but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.




Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?




73,

Andy, k3wyc


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Re: [wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Ron WV4P via wsjt-devel
I wish this was THE way, the useless final 73 should have never existed and
is the bain of the mode.

Ron, WV4P


On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 2:55 PM Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel <
wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.
>
> I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending
> 73 after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H
> active but not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched
> in software if F/H mode has been used but is then exited and WSJT-X is not
> re-started.
>
> Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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[wsjt-devel] No 73 allowed after RR73?

2023-10-21 Thread Andy Durbin via wsjt-devel
WSJT-X ver 2.6.1, Win 8.1.

I have observed several times that I could not complete a QSO by sending 73 
after I had received an RR73.  This is expected operation with F/H active but 
not when F/H is not active.  I suspect that something is latched in software if 
F/H mode has been used but is then exited and WSJT-X is not re-started.

Has anyone else seen this or have an explanation?

73,
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Extra characters in ALL.TXT for F/H

2023-10-21 Thread Fred Price via wsjt-devel
AP Decode see section 12.1 of User Guide


wsjt.sourceforge.io
[X]



On Oct 21, 2023, at 8:27 AM, Glenn Williams via wsjt-devel 
 wrote:

Hi,
The following line of text is found once in my huge ALL.TXT file.  Note the 
"a4" far to the right.

V2.6.1  Windows 10 USB-USB to TS590SG DATA port, Special Op F/H, Split->Rig

"231005_00530024.911 Rx FT8-20  0.0  720 AF8C RR73; NR4N  -14   
   a4"

The following 2 lines of text are found in K8LBT's ALL.TXT file.  Note the "a3" 
far to the right. (I transcribed this from his email image of file; in case the 
columns appear to have misalignment - it's just my typing.)  I do not know 
whether his file contains more than two instances.

V2.5.4Windows 10  through Signalink USB, TS590S, microphone port, Special 
Op F/H, SPLIT-> None

"231015_114530 1.836 Rx FT8-20  1.2  364  K8LBT  W8S  -15
a3"
...
...
"231015_115000 1.836 Rx FT8-19  1.1  304  K8LBT  W8S  -19
a3"

Explanation would be interesting to see. Should I send any of my files such as 
a log?

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Re: [wsjt-devel] Extra characters in ALL.TXT for F/H

2023-10-21 Thread Dennis W1UE via wsjt-devel
Glenn

Please read section 12 of the online documentation.
It explains what you want to know.

Dennis W1UE


On Sat, Oct 21, 2023 at 8:27 AM Glenn Williams via wsjt-devel <
wsjt-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> The following line of text is found once in my huge ALL.TXT file.  Note
> the "a4" far to the right.
>
> V2.6.1  Windows 10 USB-USB to TS590SG DATA port, Special Op F/H, Split->Rig
>
> "231005_00530024.911 Rx FT8-20  0.0  720 AF8C RR73; NR4N
>  -14  a4"
>
> The following 2 lines of text are found in K8LBT's ALL.TXT file.  Note
> the "a3" far to the right. (I transcribed this from his email image of
> file; in case the columns appear to have misalignment - it's just my
> typing.)  I do not know whether his file contains more than two instances.
>
> V2.5.4Windows 10  through Signalink USB, TS590S, microphone port,
> Special Op F/H, SPLIT-> None
>
> "231015_114530 1.836 Rx FT8-20  1.2  364  K8LBT  W8S  -15
>   a3"
> ...
> ...
> "231015_115000 1.836 Rx FT8-19  1.1  304  K8LBT  W8S  -19
>   a3"
>
> Explanation would be interesting to see. Should I send any of my files
> such as a log?
>
> --73, Glenn, AF8C
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Re: [wsjt-devel] Extra characters in ALL.TXT for F/H

2023-10-21 Thread Black Michael via wsjt-devel
Search the Help file for "a4" or "a3".
Mike W9MDB

 

On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 07:26:27 AM CDT, Glenn Williams via 
wsjt-devel  wrote:  
 
 Hi,
The following line of text is found once in my huge ALL.TXT file.  Note 
the "a4" far to the right.

V2.6.1  Windows 10 USB-USB to TS590SG DATA port, Special Op F/H, Split->Rig

"231005_005300    24.911 Rx FT8    -20  0.0  720 AF8C RR73; NR4N 
 -14          a4"

The following 2 lines of text are found in K8LBT's ALL.TXT file.  Note 
the "a3" far to the right. (I transcribed this from his email image of 
file; in case the columns appear to have misalignment - it's just my 
typing.)  I do not know whether his file contains more than two instances.

V2.5.4    Windows 10  through Signalink USB, TS590S, microphone port, 
Special Op F/H, SPLIT-> None

"231015_114530    1.836 Rx FT8    -20  1.2  364  K8LBT  W8S  -15
          a3"
...
...
"231015_115000    1.836 Rx FT8    -19  1.1  304  K8LBT  W8S  -19
          a3"

Explanation would be interesting to see. Should I send any of my files 
such as a log?

--73, Glenn, AF8C

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[wsjt-devel] Extra characters in ALL.TXT for F/H

2023-10-21 Thread Glenn Williams via wsjt-devel

Hi,
The following line of text is found once in my huge ALL.TXT file.  Note 
the "a4" far to the right.


V2.6.1  Windows 10 USB-USB to TS590SG DATA port, Special Op F/H, Split->Rig

"231005_00530024.911 Rx FT8-20  0.0  720 AF8C RR73; NR4N 
 -14  a4"


The following 2 lines of text are found in K8LBT's ALL.TXT file.  Note 
the "a3" far to the right. (I transcribed this from his email image of 
file; in case the columns appear to have misalignment - it's just my 
typing.)  I do not know whether his file contains more than two instances.


V2.5.4Windows 10  through Signalink USB, TS590S, microphone port, 
Special Op F/H, SPLIT-> None


"231015_114530 1.836 Rx FT8-20  1.2  364  K8LBT  W8S  -15
 a3"
...
...
"231015_115000 1.836 Rx FT8-19  1.1  304  K8LBT  W8S  -19
 a3"

Explanation would be interesting to see. Should I send any of my files 
such as a log?


--73, Glenn, AF8C

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