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Title: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain





But Ralph has never expected to win, so whether he can get anything done is not a deal-breaking matter. He's campaigning to bring attention to issues that he thinks are too important to ignore. He did say in direct response to the question a couple days ago whether he would be effective in office, however hypothetically, that he would be, claiming he's been in D.C. for forty years and knows how to generate support for an issue. 
I do not believe Frank would be a Nader man, incidentally.
Mark

FZ once said, "If you can't work within the system for change, you're just playing with yourself until the next new face comes along." Our boy Ralph has no ties within a system he's been fucking with for the last 40 years.
Does that comment bring this on topic?
    SOFA



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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain

Title: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain





That should read "COUNT," by the way. Of all the possible typos...

on 10/30/04 12:10 AM, Mark Darling at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There are advanced democracies that still function with names written in pencil on paper ballots  that still have greater accuracy than we do. It doesn't take all that long to cunt, either. Less complicated might be a better way to go. 
Mark




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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain

2004-10-29 Thread SOFA

As a 'practical conservative' (not a liberal, sorry; plenty of liberal
leanings, but just not quite there), and one who voted Nader last time, I'm not
pissed at Ralph for what happened last go-round.
Jeb, yeah, I'm pissed at him. The way the courts were halted, yeah I'm
pissed about that. But I don't blame Ralph...
However, I'm not pleased with Ralph - especially his comments regarding
Bush as a superior politico (when we all know he means "well connected"). I'm
not a fan of John Kerry, but I'm willing to let him prove himself - over another
4 years of W. I know his logic, appeal to the conservatives, but that aint gonna
cut it this time. He made a statement 4 years ago, a statement both parties
chose to ignore. The disaffected conservatives aren't going to cast their votes
for Ralph again. This time around, a vote for Ralph (no matter how
idealistically intended) IS a vote for W.
I'd personally like to see Ralph in Government. Office of Homeland
Whistle-blowing... The Republicans, with their ties with Corporate America and
the Military/Industrial Complex would never give him the time of day. The Dems
might - tho' not likely. He could court the Dems, get a platform where he could
actually do some good, but he won't. Without some kind of backing via the Dems,
or other major party, he's pissin' in the wind.
Just like Carter. If you discount the the bumbled Hostage Rescue mission,
he was not a bad administrator. But he wouldn't play Washington's game and -
therefore - he got nothing done. You can't waltz into Washington and announce,
"Okay, guys, I'm in charge now", and expect anyone to listen. Were Ralph elected
(of course, I'm being hypothetical; I'm not stupid), he would be able to
accomplish very, very little. One guy cannot undo the shit that our government
has done without some major clout. And Ralph has none.
Goddam idealism...
We had the chance - 32 years ago - but we blew it. The problem with
idealism is it's just not practical.
(gets off soapbox)
Sorry if I bored anyone.
FZ once said, "If you can't work within the system for change, you're
just playing with yourself until the next new face comes along." Our
boy Ralph has no ties within a system he's been fucking with for the last 40
years.
Does that comment bring this on topic?
SOFA
Ralph
has been saying that in a Gallup/ABC poll of Nader voters, after thosewho
would not vote at all if he were nor running are taken out, fiftypercent
are coming from Republicans. I can believe it. Liberals are pissedat him
and blame him for 2000, erroneously in my
opinion.Mark

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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain

Title: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain

There are advanced democracies that still function with names written in pencil on paper ballots  that still have greater accuracy than we do. It doesn't take all that long to cunt, either. Less complicated might be a better way to go. 
Mark
I agree it could be a good thing in the long run. It seems ridiculous that here in the twenty-first century voting fraud is so easily possible. Some of the newer computerized voting machines are even less reliable and un-checkable. Some communities have sent back their Debold machines because they don't create any kind of paper trail or backup that would allow a recount. It boggles my mind to think about it. I think it should be set up so that a voter can log onto a website and double check his/her vote and see that it was counted as intended. I guess that would present potential problems with the secrete ballot thing though. There must be some way the system could be redone. Perhaps we could be given a receipt with a long number that would be detached from a corresponding paper ballot or spit out of the machine to anonymously verify our votes with? I would even be willing to give them a few extra days to count the vote if I could just be sure that fraud would be imposable or at least less likely. As the worlds oldest functioning democracy / republic ( or so I'm told ) it's embarrassing that we can't know for sure that an election is honest. After all it's not just the presidential vote. We count on the congress to provide the checks and balances on the president (very important at times) and they are still elected directly by the people. 

Jim L   
- Original Message - 
From: Mark Darling   
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain

Could be rough. Legal challenges re going to be EVERYWHERE! I think it could
be a good thing, though. A heightened awareness of elective procedure would
benefit people. Seen Palast's report on black-vote suppression again in
Florida and Ohio?

Mark, Naderite
> 
> I cannot take the polls seriously. Especially when you look at where
> they are coming from...
> 
> The really fucked up thing about this is we may not really know who
> actually won for a few days to a week. Do not get your hopes up. I
> have a feeling this is going to be worse than 2000. Of course I hope
> not, but this administration will stop at nothing to win, and it won't
> be fairly.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:17:04 -0500, Jim L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 

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[Zappa-List] Reoffer

2004-10-29 Thread Zappa Fan






Hi, everybody. I know it´s too soon, but happy Halloween to all...
Thanks to J.L., from Dallas, TX, I am now the happy owner of the 2 CD set "Petit Wazoo 11-11-72" (that solves part of my problems, SOFA), and I would like to reoffer it to someone who promises to pass it on *as it is* (copy the master and pass it on).
If interested, write me offlist stating your good intentions. The other usual rules apply. Good luck!
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[Zappa-List] Re: REOFFER - Buffalo speed corrected + mystery disc

2004-10-29 Thread Dawayne Bailey

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "abxer3p" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all --
> 
> The Buffalo 74 concert, plus second bonus mystery disc, is now 
mine to offer you, with heartfelt thanks to Mike A.  This is all 
FLAC soundboard, so first to shoot me your address offlist, and 
promises to reoffer, will get this in the mail very soon.  This is 
one of the hotter packages going around at the moment, giving us two 
lineups in two concerts.  I KNOW someone wants this.
> 
> group thanks too,
> Joseph

I've gotta find a copy of this - this is my favorite Zappa band 
lineup and for it to be a soundboard...WOW!!

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Re: [Zappa-List] REOFFER CLOSED - Buffalo speed corrected + mystery disc






Jim jumped in quick, so this goes to him.  
Watch for the reoffer soon.
 
Joseph

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  abxer3p 

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:47 
  PM
  Subject: [Zappa-List] REOFFER - Buffalo 
  speed corrected + mystery disc
  
  Hello all --
   
  The Buffalo 74 concert, plus second bonus mystery 
  disc, is now mine to offer you, with heartfelt thanks to Mike 
  A.  This is all FLAC soundboard, so first to shoot me your address 
  offlist, and promises to reoffer, will get this in the mail very soon.  
  This is one of the hotter packages going around at the moment, giving us 
  two lineups in two concerts.  I KNOW someone wants 
this.
   
  group thanks too,
  Joseph
  
heres the setlist/info for buffalo, as i 
recieved itFrank ZappaMemorial Auditorium, Buffalo, 
N.Y.November, 15, 19741st gen SBD 
tape>Soundforge>EAC>CDR>EAC>FLAC 
>Soundforge>Pitchcorrection>FlacPart of a batch of tapes 
obtained from former Zappa road manager Dick Barber.F Zappa - 
Gtr,vclsN M Brock - Sax,flute,vclsG Duke - Kbds,vclsR Underwood 
- PercussionC Thompson - DrumsT Fowler - BassF Zappa - 
Gtr,vclsN M Brock - Sax,flute,vclsG Duke - Kbds,vclsR Underwood 
- PercussionC Thompson - DrumsT Fowler - Bass  
Tracklist:tush tush tush (a token of my 
extreme)stinkfootrdnzlvillage of the sunechidna's 'arf (of 
you)don't you ever wash that thing?penguin in bondaget'mershi 
duweendog breath variationsuncle meatbuilding a 
girl>>when breaking across 2 discs, there 
is a break in the music here<?>CDR (EAC Secure mode)>wav (CEP, split 
corrected)>flac (Frontendwith SBE correction)***except the last 2 
tracks, which is SB>?>cassette>wav (CEP, tracksplitted)>flac 
(Frontend with SBE 
  correction)For 
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[Zappa-List] REOFFER - Buffalo speed corrected + mystery disc






Hello all --
 
The Buffalo 74 concert, plus second bonus mystery disc, 
is now mine to offer you, with heartfelt thanks to Mike A.  This 
is all FLAC soundboard, so first to shoot me your address offlist, and promises 
to reoffer, will get this in the mail very soon.  This is one of the hotter 
packages going around at the moment, giving us two lineups in two 
concerts.  I KNOW someone wants this.
 
group thanks too,
Joseph

  heres the setlist/info for buffalo, as i 
  recieved itFrank ZappaMemorial Auditorium, Buffalo, 
  N.Y.November, 15, 19741st gen SBD 
  tape>Soundforge>EAC>CDR>EAC>FLAC 
  >Soundforge>Pitchcorrection>FlacPart of a batch of tapes 
  obtained from former Zappa road manager Dick Barber.F Zappa - 
  Gtr,vclsN M Brock - Sax,flute,vclsG Duke - Kbds,vclsR Underwood - 
  PercussionC Thompson - DrumsT Fowler - BassF Zappa - Gtr,vclsN 
  M Brock - Sax,flute,vclsG Duke - Kbds,vclsR Underwood - 
  PercussionC Thompson - DrumsT Fowler - Bass  
  Tracklist:tush tush tush (a token of my 
  extreme)stinkfootrdnzlvillage of the sunechidna's 'arf (of 
  you)don't you ever wash that thing?penguin in bondaget'mershi 
  duweendog breath variationsuncle meatbuilding a 
  girl>>when breaking across 2 discs, there is 
  a break in the music here<?>CDR (EAC Secure mode)>wav (CEP, split 
  corrected)>flac (Frontendwith SBE correction)***except the last 2 
  tracks, which is SB>?>cassette>wav (CEP, tracksplitted)>flac 
  (Frontend with SBE 
correction)


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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all overagain

2004-10-29 Thread Jim L






I agree it could be a good thing in 
the long run. It seems ridiculous that here in the twenty-first century voting 
fraud is so easily possible. Some of the newer computerized voting machines are 
even less reliable and un-checkable. Some communities have sent back their 
Debold machines because they don't create any kind of paper trail or backup that 
would allow a recount. It boggles my mind to think about it. I think it should 
be set up so that a voter can log onto a website and double check his/her vote 
and see that it was counted as intended. I guess that would present potential 
problems with the secrete ballot thing though. There must be some way the system 
could be redone. Perhaps we could be given a receipt with a long number that 
would be detached from a corresponding paper ballot or spit out of the machine 
to anonymously verify our votes with? I would even be willing to give them a few 
extra days to count the vote if I could just be sure that fraud would be 
imposable or at least less likely. As the worlds oldest functioning democracy / 
republic ( or so I'm told ) it's embarrassing that we can't know for sure that 
an election is honest. After all it's not just the presidential vote. We count 
on the congress to provide the checks and balances on the president (very 
important at times) and they are still elected directly by the people. 


Jim L 


- Original Message - 
From: Mark Darling 

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all 
overagain
Could be rough. Legal challenges re going to be EVERYWHERE! I 
think it couldbe a good thing, though. A heightened awareness of elective 
procedure wouldbenefit people. Seen Palast's report on black-vote 
suppression again inFlorida and Ohio?Mark, Naderite> > 
I cannot take the polls seriously. Especially when you look at where> 
they are coming from...> > The really fucked up thing about this 
is we may not really know who> actually won for a few days to a week. Do 
not get your hopes up. I> have a feeling this is going to be worse than 
2000. Of course I hope> not, but this administration will stop at nothing 
to win, and it won't> be fairly.> > > On Fri, 29 Oct 
2004 14:17:04 -0500, Jim L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

It's not his fault; he isn't helping though. 

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:32:01 -0400, Mark Darling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> Diebold will see to it that exactly that happens. Ever read about these
> cretins? Scary!
>  Mark from Swing State Michigan
>  
>  What I want to know is what if bush does win by an actual majority in the
> popular vote? 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

Could be rough. Legal challenges re going to be EVERYWHERE! I think it could
be a good thing, though. A heightened awareness of elective procedure would
benefit people. Seen Palast's report on black-vote suppression again in
Florida and Ohio?

Mark, Naderite
> 
> I cannot take the polls seriously. Especially when you look at where
> they are coming from...
> 
> The really fucked up thing about this is we may not really know who
> actually won for a few days to a week. Do not get your hopes up. I
> have a feeling this is going to be worse than 2000. Of course I hope
> not, but this administration will stop at nothing to win, and it won't
> be fairly.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:17:04 -0500, Jim L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 

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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

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Diebold will see to it that exactly that happens. Ever read about these cretins? Scary!
Mark from Swing State Michigan
 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again


Noam Chomsky: "What the public wants is called politically unrealistic.
Translated into English that means Power and Privilege are opposed to it."
Mark
> 
> 
> I'll admit I am a Nader supporter. I'd like to see America in the hands, or at
> least with a figurehead that is a consumer advocate. I like to think he'd
> continue to expose political and commercial corruption if elected, and I'd
> love 
> to see Boosh impeached. Problem is Nader/Camejo's platform seems too
> idealistic to most. The solution is there he'd just need to get the rest on
> board, 
> which sadly would probably prove fruitless. I mean superficially, I certainly
> don't make 50 grand a year and I'd appreciate a tax break. I'm on board with
> nearly, if not all Nader has to say. I really wish your statement about voting
> for 
> Nader wasn't true, but it probably is.
> 
> "Revolutionaries always spoil corrupt systems"  - indeed.
> 
> -YH
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again


Ralph has been saying that in a Gallup/ABC poll of Nader voters, after those
who would not vote at all if he were nor running are taken out, fifty
percent are coming from Republicans. I can believe it. Liberals are pissed
at him and blame him for 2000, erroneously in my opinion.

Mark
> 
> Well, I don't dislike Nader. His ideas are good ones, but in the grand
> scheme of things he is not helping the situation by running. Every
> vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. It's as simple as that. Inflamed? I
> am totally digusted at this shitstorm.
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[Zappa-List] mini vine REOFFER Boston 04-27-75 Flac format






Hello all,
 
With much thanks to Dimi (and those before him), I have 
this single FLAC disc to pass along to the first person to contact me offlist 
with a promise to reoffer.
 
thx,
Joseph
 
The information is as follows:
 
27-Apr 1975, Music Hall, Boston, MA Early Show: 89 
min, Aud, A-/B+Improvisations, Token Of My Extreme, Stinkfoot, I'm Not 
Satisfied, Carolina Hardcore Ecstasy, Velvet Sunrise, Pound For A Brown, 
Sleeping In A Jar, Poofter's Froth Wyoming Plans Ahead, Echidna's Arf, 
improvisations (incl Sam With The Showing Scalp Flat Top)


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Re: [Zappa-List] Many Thanks!

2004-10-29 Thread Milhouse481






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I definitely have to second that.  I've met lots of friendly and helpful folks here.  I'm glad to be a part of it all.
 
Joseph
-A definite "ditto" from me. With all the friendly people here and the great shows I've gotten in the mail thru vines and trading, I'm very glad I decided to join the mailing list.
 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Many Thanks!






I definitely have to second that.  I've met lots 
of friendly and helpful folks here.  I'm glad to be a part of it 
all.
 
Joseph

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  Subject: [Zappa-List] Many Thanks!
  To all who0 have turned me on to all the shows and 
  music since I joined this wonderful group! Keep em comming and I'll pass 
  em on! Thanks to Colsten for the free mp3's.Always wanted to hear the 
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[Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-29 Thread Andrew Hale



I'll admit I am a Nader supporter. I'd like to see America in the hands, or at 
least with a figurehead that is a consumer advocate. I like to think he'd 
continue to expose political and commercial corruption if elected, and I'd love 
to see Boosh impeached. Problem is Nader/Camejo's platform seems too 
idealistic to most. The solution is there he'd just need to get the rest on board, 
which sadly would probably prove fruitless. I mean superficially, I certainly 
don't make 50 grand a year and I'd appreciate a tax break. I'm on board with 
nearly, if not all Nader has to say. I really wish your statement about voting for 
Nader wasn't true, but it probably is.

"Revolutionaries always spoil corrupt systems"  - indeed.

-YH

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ESO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, I don't dislike Nader. His ideas are good ones, but in the grand
> scheme of things he is not helping the situation by running. Every
> vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. It's as simple as that. Inflamed? I
> am totally digusted at this shitstorm.
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:14:53 -, Andrew Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >  
> >  What truly confounds me is how close the race is between Boosh and 
> >  Kerry...and how they just ignore Nader as if he's not there. I mean there
> > are 
> >  people this time, who usually don't vote, voting against Boosh, just to
> > oust him 
> >  and it's still neck and neck. Damn. The Boosh lackeys were caught last 
time
> >  discounting the the black vote...and got away with it, and it's going to
> > happen 
> >  again...Boosh is the evil prince. 
> >  
> >  Sorry to flare up off topic like this. I''ve just been a little inflamed at
> > the moment 
> >  here at work. A poor sucker working among the wealthy republican crust 
that
> >  develops between the elephant's toes. Hard to see daylight.
> >  
> >  -YH
> >  
> >  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ESO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >  > It doesn't surprise me one bit. This election will be a defying moment
> >  > for the American people. If we have another 2000 type scenario, and
> >  > the people do not revolt then we are truly "dumb all over."
> >  > 
> >  > I just want to know, how many of YOU are going to vote? 
> >  > 
> >  > Milhouse? 
> >  > 
> >  > 
> >  > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:33:48 -, Andrew Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >  wrote:
> >  > >  
> >  > >  Isn't it almost surreal? I cannot believe this shit. How a man who
> > wasn't
> >  > > even 
> >  > >  elected in the first place is going to be president without being
> > elected
> >  > > again. 
> >  > >  Eff'n amazing, how he continually escapes impeachment.
> >  > >  
> >  > >  -YH
> >  > >  
> >  > >  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Danny ODare <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >  > >  wrote:
> >  > >  > Yep, it's Groundhog Day the sequel:
> >  > >  >  
> >  > >  > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3960679.stm
> >  > >  >  
> >  > >  > Of course, it is just a coincidence that these 58,000 votes go
> > missing in
> >  > >  Florida, where Dubya's cousin in is charge. Just a coincidence that
> > they 
> >  go
> >  > >  missing in a strongly Democratic Party area of Florida. Just a
> > coincidence
> >  > > that 
> >  > >  they go missing in an election which is almost cetainly going to go to
> > the
> >  > > wire. 
> >  > >  Looks like, again, the lawyers and the Supreme Court (which, by just 
a
> >  > >  coincidence, is solidly reactionary/conservative/Republican) are 
going
> > to 
> >  > >  decide who is going to be the next US president and the fate of the
> > world 
> >  > >  (especially Iraqis).
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-29 Thread Milhouse481






In a message dated 10/29/04 1:48:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It doesn't surprise me one bit. This election will be a defying momentfor the American people. If we have another 2000 type scenario, andthe people do not revolt then we are truly "dumb all over."I just want to know, how many of YOU are going to vote? Milhouse? 
-Step one is find out if I'm registered or not. (Fairly certain I am, but have to check it out fer shure.)
 
Step two : vote Kerry.
 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again


Well, I don't dislike Nader. His ideas are good ones, but in the grand
scheme of things he is not helping the situation by running. Every
vote for Nader is a vote for Bush. It's as simple as that. Inflamed? I
am totally digusted at this shitstorm.


On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 19:14:53 -, Andrew Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>  What truly confounds me is how close the race is between Boosh and 
>  Kerry...and how they just ignore Nader as if he's not there. I mean there
> are 
>  people this time, who usually don't vote, voting against Boosh, just to
> oust him 
>  and it's still neck and neck. Damn. The Boosh lackeys were caught last time
>  discounting the the black vote...and got away with it, and it's going to
> happen 
>  again...Boosh is the evil prince. 
>  
>  Sorry to flare up off topic like this. I''ve just been a little inflamed at
> the moment 
>  here at work. A poor sucker working among the wealthy republican crust that
>  develops between the elephant's toes. Hard to see daylight.
>  
>  -YH
>  
>  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ESO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > It doesn't surprise me one bit. This election will be a defying moment
>  > for the American people. If we have another 2000 type scenario, and
>  > the people do not revolt then we are truly "dumb all over."
>  > 
>  > I just want to know, how many of YOU are going to vote? 
>  > 
>  > Milhouse? 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:33:48 -, Andrew Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>  wrote:
>  > >  
>  > >  Isn't it almost surreal? I cannot believe this shit. How a man who
> wasn't
>  > > even 
>  > >  elected in the first place is going to be president without being
> elected
>  > > again. 
>  > >  Eff'n amazing, how he continually escapes impeachment.
>  > >  
>  > >  -YH
>  > >  
>  > >  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Danny ODare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>  > >  wrote:
>  > >  > Yep, it's Groundhog Day the sequel:
>  > >  >  
>  > >  > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3960679.stm
>  > >  >  
>  > >  > Of course, it is just a coincidence that these 58,000 votes go
> missing in
>  > >  Florida, where Dubya's cousin in is charge. Just a coincidence that
> they 
>  go
>  > >  missing in a strongly Democratic Party area of Florida. Just a
> coincidence
>  > > that 
>  > >  they go missing in an election which is almost cetainly going to go to
> the
>  > > wire. 
>  > >  Looks like, again, the lawyers and the Supreme Court (which, by just a
>  > >  coincidence, is solidly reactionary/conservative/Republican) are going
> to 
>  > >  decide who is going to be the next US president and the fate of the
> world 
>  > >  (especially Iraqis).
>  > >  > Deep in gloom,
>  > >  >  
>  > >  > DANNY
>  > >  > 
>  > >  > Send instant messages to your online friends http://
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again


I cannot take the polls seriously. Especially when you look at where
they are coming from...

The really fucked up thing about this is we may not really know who
actually won for a few days to a week. Do not get your hopes up. I
have a feeling this is going to be worse than 2000. Of course I hope
not, but this administration will stop at nothing to win, and it won't
be fairly.


On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:17:04 -0500, Jim L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> I'll be voting. Planning to be there when the polls open to avoid the rush. 
>   
> What I want to know is what if bush does win by an actual majority in the
> popular vote? I've been preparing myself mentally for that one because the
> tracking polls of likely voters are looking like it could go that way. 
>  
> 
> Jim L 
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: ESO 
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:43 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again
> 
> 
> It doesn't surprise me one bit. This election will be a defying moment
> for the American people. If we have another 2000 type scenario, and
> the people do not revolt then we are truly "dumb all over."
> 
> I just want to know, how many of YOU are going to vote? 
> 
> Milhouse? 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:33:48 -, Andrew Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >  
> >  Isn't it almost surreal? I cannot believe this shit. How a man who wasn't
> > even 
> >  elected in the first place is going to be president without being elected
> > again. 
> >  Eff'n amazing, how he continually escapes impeachment.
> >  
> >  -YH
> >  
> >  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Danny ODare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >  wrote:
> >  > Yep, it's Groundhog Day the sequel:
> >  >  
> >  > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3960679.stm
> >  >  
> >  > Of course, it is just a coincidence that these 58,000 votes go missing
> in
> >  Florida, where Dubya's cousin in is charge. Just a coincidence that they
> go
> >  missing in a strongly Democratic Party area of Florida. Just a
> coincidence
> > that 
> >  they go missing in an election which is almost cetainly going to go to
> the
> > wire. 
> >  Looks like, again, the lawyers and the Supreme Court (which, by just a 
> >  coincidence, is solidly reactionary/conservative/Republican) are going to
> >  decide who is going to be the next US president and the fate of the world
> >  (especially Iraqis).
> >  > Deep in gloom,
> >  >  
> >  > DANNY
> >  > 
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[Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-29 Thread Andrew Hale



What truly confounds me is how close the race is between Boosh and 
Kerry...and how they just ignore Nader as if he's not there. I mean there are 
people this time, who usually don't vote, voting against Boosh, just to oust him 
and it's still neck and neck. Damn. The Boosh lackeys were caught last time 
discounting the the black vote...and got away with it, and it's going to happen 
again...Boosh is the evil prince. 

Sorry to flare up off topic like this. I''ve just been a little inflamed at the moment 
here at work. A poor sucker working among the wealthy republican crust that 
develops between the elephant's toes. Hard to see daylight.

-YH

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], ESO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It doesn't surprise me one bit. This election will be a defying moment
> for the American people. If we have another 2000 type scenario, and
> the people do not revolt then we are truly "dumb all over."
> 
> I just want to know, how many of YOU are going to vote? 
> 
> Milhouse? 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:33:48 -, Andrew Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> >  
> >  Isn't it almost surreal? I cannot believe this shit. How a man who wasn't
> > even 
> >  elected in the first place is going to be president without being elected
> > again. 
> >  Eff'n amazing, how he continually escapes impeachment.
> >  
> >  -YH
> >  
> >  --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Danny ODare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >  wrote:
> >  > Yep, it's Groundhog Day the sequel:
> >  >  
> >  > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3960679.stm
> >  >  
> >  > Of course, it is just a coincidence that these 58,000 votes go missing in
> >  Florida, where Dubya's cousin in is charge. Just a coincidence that they 
go
> >  missing in a strongly Democratic Party area of Florida. Just a coincidence
> > that 
> >  they go missing in an election which is almost cetainly going to go to the
> > wire. 
> >  Looks like, again, the lawyers and the Supreme Court (which, by just a 
> >  coincidence, is solidly reactionary/conservative/Republican) are going to 
> >  decide who is going to be the next US president and the fate of the world 
> >  (especially Iraqis).
> >  > Deep in gloom,
> >  >  
> >  > DANNY
> >  > 
> >  > Send instant messages to your online friends http://
> >  uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> >  
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again

2004-10-29 Thread Jim L






I'll be voting. Planning to be there 
when the polls open to avoid the rush.
 
What I want to know is what if bush 
does win by an actual majority in the popular vote? I've been preparing myself 
mentally for that one because the tracking polls of likely voters are looking 
like it could go that way.

Jim L 


- Original Message - 
From: ESO 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all 
over again
It doesn't surprise me one bit. This election will be a 
defying momentfor the American people. If we have another 2000 type 
scenario, andthe people do not revolt then we are truly "dumb all 
over."I just want to know, how many of YOU are going to vote? 
Milhouse? On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 18:33:48 -, Andrew Hale 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:>  >  Isn't it almost surreal? I cannot believe 
this shit. How a man who wasn't> even >  elected in the first 
place is going to be president without being elected> again. 
>  Eff'n amazing, how he continually escapes 
impeachment.>  >  -YH>  >  --- 
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
Danny ODare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> 
>  wrote:>  > Yep, it's Groundhog Day the 
sequel:>  >  >  > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3960679.stm>  
>  >  > Of course, it is just a coincidence that these 
58,000 votes go missing in>  Florida, where Dubya's cousin in is 
charge. Just a coincidence that they go>  missing in a strongly 
Democratic Party area of Florida. Just a coincidence> that >  
they go missing in an election which is almost cetainly going to go to 
the> wire. >  Looks like, again, the lawyers and the Supreme 
Court (which, by just a >  coincidence, is solidly 
reactionary/conservative/Republican) are going to >  decide who is 
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Re: [Zappa-List] Re: US elections and Florida - dumb all over again