Re: [Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Thanks for the help here. Much appreciated. Still not running but getting there.On 8/10/05, Philip Kilner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Michael,michael nt milne wrote: I've even tried using the machine's local IP but that doesn't work in the same way that localhost doesn't. I've installed Apache now as well so as to route requests through that to Zope. I'm going to be using the same IP address that the webmail exchange service uses. It uses mail.sbcscot.com http://mail.sbcscot.com so I guess if I have http://plone.sbcscot.com then I could tell Apache to route that to Zope? How would I tell IIS or ISA not to listen to that domain? Meanwhile I noticed on installing Apache that it failed to bind to port 80! Well, you /can't/ tell IIS not to listen on that domain - it listensat a port on an IP. The host header translation for virtual hosting canonly happen if it can field the request in the first place ( e.g. ifthere are no clashes at that port/IP). If you have a single interface,you are stuck using non-standard ports to avoid clashes. Apache will notbind to port 80 either because you have http://mail.sbcscot.com bound tothe same port IP, or because of the socket pooling nonsense if youhave a separate IP.I would not touch ISA with a barge-pole if I had a choice - but assuming you are on SBS and are/could be behind a separate firewall, I would: -- Leave Zope/Plone on 8080- Change the port for webmail (and any other IIS stuff) to a differenthigh port (e.g. 9080?), so it is no longer clashing with Apache. - Disable socket pooling. spit!- Run Apache on port 80- Use virtual hosts with rewrite rules in the Apache .conf to passrequests to your Zope and Webmail sites.You could probably do something similar with ISA server (I do, but not on the same box as IIS and Zope/Plone), but I'd rather not even thinkabout that...--Regards,PhilKEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.ukVoicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart:say where the sweetness and the sourness start.- Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Thanks for the help here. I'm calling in a support engineer to try and get it up and running. Firewall, router issues involved. Strange though that localhost doesn't work. Because that wouldn't go through the firewall/router. I've also noticed that something shuts down pythonservice.exe program which is strange. On 8/9/05, Philip Kilner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael, michael nt milne wrote: Ok, thanks. Yes, Apache would be much better to route traffic through. And also it looks like a complete pain to try and route traffic through IIS. Is Apache for windows good? I only have experience of it on UNIX Works fine - once it's up and running and you are looking at the .conf file, you will probably barely notice the difference. Since I am not expecting very high traffic for my site at first I am going to use the Zope server at first. My head is hurting too much just now! Understood! By the way do you have any experience of altering the zope database or adding fields to the registration process on Plone etc? Seems a wee bit tricky and a client wants extra fields etc. That's one for the Plone list - but there is now a release candidate out for Plone 2.1, and I understand such things are simpler in that version. There may be an existing CMF/Plone product that does what you want for that matter. -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.uk Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart: say where the sweetness and the sourness start. - Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Hi Michael, michael nt milne wrote: Thanks for the help here. I'm calling in a support engineer to try and get it up and running. Firewall, router issues involved. Strange though that localhost doesn't work. Because that wouldn't go through the firewall/router. I despise ISA Server with a passion - have just spent a couple of hours hunting down a silly mistake in one of my rules in the 2K3 version which would have stuck out like a sore thumb in an Apache .conf file. I wouldn't make any assumptions about what it might block, up to and including localhost - it bites me time after time, and all I ever have to do is add web publishing rules, which that /should/ be simple enough. Problem is, it's all hidden in tabbed dialogues where you can't see the whole rule at once...spit I've also noticed that something shuts down pythonservice.exe program which is strange. Now that /is/ a new one on me - but would certainly explain your problem... Good luck! -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.uk Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart: say where the sweetness and the sourness start. - Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Hi I've even tried using the machine's local IP but that doesn't work in the same way that localhost doesn't. I've installed Apache now as well so as to route requests through that to Zope. I'm going to be using the same IP address that the webmail exchange service uses. It uses mail.sbcscot.com so I guess if I have http://plone.sbcscot.com then I could tell Apache to route that to Zope? How would I tell IIS or ISA not to listen to that domain? Meanwhile I noticed on installing Apache that it failed to bind to port 80!On 8/10/05, Philip Kilner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael,michael nt milne wrote: Thanks for the help here. I'm calling in a support engineer to try and get it up and running. Firewall, router issues involved. Strange though that localhost doesn't work. Because that wouldn't go through the firewall/router.I despise ISA Server with a passion - have just spent a couple of hourshunting down a silly mistake in one of my rules in the 2K3 version whichwould have stuck out like a sore thumb in an Apache .conf file. I wouldn't make any assumptions about what it might block, up to andincluding localhost - it bites me time after time, and all I ever haveto do is add web publishing rules, which that /should/ be simple enough. Problem is, it's all hidden in tabbed dialogues where you can't see thewhole rule at once...spit I've also noticed that something shuts down pythonservice.exe program which is strange. Now that /is/ a new one on me - but would certainly explain your problem...Good luck!--Regards,PhilKEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.ukVoicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart:say where the sweetness and the sourness start. - Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Hi Michael, michael nt milne wrote: I've even tried using the machine's local IP but that doesn't work in the same way that localhost doesn't. I've installed Apache now as well so as to route requests through that to Zope. I'm going to be using the same IP address that the webmail exchange service uses. It uses mail.sbcscot.com http://mail.sbcscot.com so I guess if I have http://plone.sbcscot.com then I could tell Apache to route that to Zope? How would I tell IIS or ISA not to listen to that domain? Meanwhile I noticed on installing Apache that it failed to bind to port 80! Well, you /can't/ tell IIS not to listen on that domain - it listens at a port on an IP. The host header translation for virtual hosting can only happen if it can field the request in the first place (e.g. if there are no clashes at that port/IP). If you have a single interface, you are stuck using non-standard ports to avoid clashes. Apache will not bind to port 80 either because you have http://mail.sbcscot.com bound to the same port IP, or because of the socket pooling nonsense if you have a separate IP. I would not touch ISA with a barge-pole if I had a choice - but assuming you are on SBS and are/could be behind a separate firewall, I would: - - Leave Zope/Plone on 8080 - Change the port for webmail (and any other IIS stuff) to a different high port (e.g. 9080?), so it is no longer clashing with Apache. - Disable socket pooling. spit! - Run Apache on port 80 - Use virtual hosts with rewrite rules in the Apache .conf to pass requests to your Zope and Webmail sites. You could probably do something similar with ISA server (I do, but not on the same box as IIS and Zope/Plone), but I'd rather not even think about that... -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.uk Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart: say where the sweetness and the sourness start. - Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Hi I read though that you have to do a re-write in IIS or install an ISAPI re-write extension so that IIS speaks to zope. There's also the 404 asp script in Andy Mckay's book. Apparently IIS hogs all the ports and has to be forced not to. Not sure about ISA server. On 8/9/05, Philip Kilner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael, Apols for delay in replying - been on the hoof. michael nt milne wrote: Thanks for the advice. Yes I've looked at everything mentioned here. Localhost is in the hosts file. Zope has started as a service. I've changed the hosts file to include localhost:8080/manage etc. Yes this is a set-up on Windows Small Business Server and it also has an Exchange webmail service running as well. The web server is IIS 6.0. Enterting http://domain or IP/exchange gives the login for the exchange service, however localhost:8080 or 127.0.0.1 etc gives page not found. Do I need to set-up a website under IIS or a virtual directory? Absolutely not - if IIS and Zope are on different ports, they are two entirely separate beasts. Does your SBS install include ISA server? - If so, you will probably need to tweak it. - If not, I would try looking at logfiles and/or changing Zope's port. Honestly, this is usually v. easy - either the service is having problems or there is something else on that port (it's often used by web application servers, e.g. Tomcat, as a default). HTH - Let us know where you're at. -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.uk Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart: say where the sweetness and the sourness start. - Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Hi Michael, Michael nt milne wrote: I read though that you have to do a re-write in IIS or install an ISAPI re-write extension so that IIS speaks to zope. There's also the 404 asp script in Andy Mckay's book. This only applies if you are using the /same/ ports on IIS as Zope. Using 8080 should keep it separate. Apparently IIS hogs all the ports and has to be forced not to. Not quite - it hogs it's ports (e.g. 21, 80, 443) on all IPs (socket pooling) unless sense is kicked into it. See: - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q238131/ Not sure about ISA server. Since it is a firewall and would know about IIS but not Zope, you do need to know if it's in play... Can I suggest you try this on a plain Windows workstation, so you can see how it normally works? -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.uk Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart: say where the sweetness and the sourness start. - Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Ok thanks. Will check on the ISA side. I've it up and running on a laptop fine. Will let you know progress. Would you say it should be fine just running the app from the zope server on 8080 once it is running,rather than configuring to go through IIS?What's your experience? On 8/9/05, Philip Kilner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael, Michael nt milne wrote: I read though that you have to do a re-write in IIS or install an ISAPI re-write extension so that IIS speaks to zope. There's also the 404 asp script in Andy Mckay's book. This only applies if you are using the /same/ ports on IIS as Zope. Using 8080 should keep it separate. Apparently IIS hogs all the ports and has to be forced not to. Not quite - it hogs it's ports (e.g. 21, 80, 443) on all IPs (socket pooling) unless sense is kicked into it. See: - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q238131/ Not sure about ISA server. Since it is a firewall and would know about IIS but not Zope, you do need to know if it's in play... Can I suggest you try this on a plain Windows workstation, so you can see how it normally works? -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.uk Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart: say where the sweetness and the sourness start. - Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Hi Michael, michael nt milne wrote: Ok thanks. Will check on the ISA side. I've it up and running on a laptop fine. Will let you know progress. Would you say it should be fine just running the app from the zope server on 8080 once it is running,rather than configuring to go through IIS?What's your experience? Glad you've had it running on a laptop - I was concerned you might lose faith! ;-) If the app is Internet facing, or has non-trivial traffic, I'd put Zope behind Apache. I have multiple sites on single Zope instances on several Windows servers, and it works really well. In my case, Apache serves pages on port 80 but on a separate IP address from IIS. One old server is NT4 (!) which worked fine, another is Win2k Server, and I needed to knock socket pooling on the head for that one. If I were doing it again, I'd run /both/ Zope and IIS on non-standard ports, and put both behind Apache. I may be a bit jaundiced, but I don't consider IIS is well enough house-trained to be let loose on port 80... -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.uk Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart: say where the sweetness and the sourness start. - Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Ok, thanks. Yes, Apache would be much better to route traffic through. And also it looks like a complete pain to try and route traffic through IIS. Is Apache for windows good? I only have experience of it on UNIX Since I am not expecting very high traffic for my site at first I am going to use the Zope server at first. My head is hurting too much just now! By the way do you have any experience of altering the zope database or adding fields to the registration process on Plone etc? Seems a wee bit tricky and a client wants extra fields etc. On 8/9/05, Philip Kilner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Michael, michael nt milne wrote: Ok thanks. Will check on the ISA side. I've it up and running on a laptop fine. Will let you know progress. Would you say it should be fine just running the app from the zope server on 8080 once it is running,rather than configuring to go through IIS?What's your experience? Glad you've had it running on a laptop - I was concerned you might lose faith! ;-) If the app is Internet facing, or has non-trivial traffic, I'd put Zope behind Apache. I have multiple sites on single Zope instances on several Windows servers, and it works really well. In my case, Apache serves pages on port 80 but on a separate IP address from IIS. One old server is NT4 (!) which worked fine, another is Win2k Server, and I needed to knock socket pooling on the head for that one. If I were doing it again, I'd run /both/ Zope and IIS on non-standard ports, and put both behind Apache. I may be a bit jaundiced, but I don't consider IIS is well enough house-trained to be let loose on port 80... -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.uk Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart: say where the sweetness and the sourness start. - Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
Hi Michael, michael nt milne wrote: Ok, thanks. Yes, Apache would be much better to route traffic through. And also it looks like a complete pain to try and route traffic through IIS. Is Apache for windows good? I only have experience of it on UNIX Works fine - once it's up and running and you are looking at the .conf file, you will probably barely notice the difference. Since I am not expecting very high traffic for my site at first I am going to use the Zope server at first. My head is hurting too much just now! Understood! By the way do you have any experience of altering the zope database or adding fields to the registration process on Plone etc? Seems a wee bit tricky and a client wants extra fields etc. That's one for the Plone list - but there is now a release candidate out for Plone 2.1, and I understand such things are simpler in that version. There may be an existing CMF/Plone product that does what you want for that matter. -- Regards, PhilK Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Public key: http://www.xfr.co.uk Voicemail Facsimile: 07092 070518 You'll find that one part's sweet and one part's tart: say where the sweetness and the sourness start. - Tony Harrison ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] Re: localhost:8080 not found on windows
michael nt milne wrote: Ok, thanks. Yes, Apache would be much better to route traffic through. And also it looks like a complete pain to try and route traffic through IIS. That's my understanding. You can either look up the ASP404 hack or use something like http://www.enfoldsystems.com/Products/EEP Is Apache for windows good? I only have experience of it on UNIX I last ran Apache on Windows back when it was 1.something. It still had a be careful on Windows notice, in fact. I didn't have any problems, but then I wasn't using it very hard. I would assume it's gotten better. Since I am not expecting very high traffic for my site at first I am going to use the Zope server at first. My head is hurting too much just now! Apache is useful for keeping maliciously formed requests and other junk away from Zope. ZServer is capable, but Apache is much more serious. Running Zope exposed to the public network is not the best idea in the world, though you can get away with it. By the way do you have any experience of altering the zope database or adding fields to the registration process on Plone etc? Seems a wee bit tricky and a client wants extra fields etc. See CMFMember. Also, ther's a howto on plone.org about this. There's about four places you have to touch, but it's not such a big deal. --jcc -- Building Websites with Plone http://plonebook.packtpub.com/ Enfold Systems, LLC http://www.enfoldsystems.com ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
