Re: [Zope3-dev] Phantom of GadflyAdapter

2005-12-14 Thread Tadashi Matsumoto
On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:08:17 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote.

 On Tuesday 13 December 2005 09:54, Tadashi Matsumoto wrote:

 If you write a test for this, I'll check it in.
 

I have made a test. It works well (perhaps).
This test program is small, so I have attached in this mail.


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import os, shutil
import tempfile, threading
from unittest import TestCase, TestSuite, main, makeSuite

from zope.app.rdb.gadflyda import GadflyAdapter, setGadflyRoot

class GadflyTestBase(TestCase):

def setUp(self):
TestCase.setUp(self)
self.tempdir = None

def tearDown(self):
TestCase.tearDown(self)
if self.tempdir:
shutil.rmtree(self.tempdir)
setGadflyRoot()

def getGadflyRoot(self):
if not self.tempdir:
self.tempdir = tempfile.mkdtemp('gadfly')
setGadflyRoot(self.tempdir)
return self.tempdir

def _create(self, *args):
return GadflyAdapter(*args)

def exec_sql(adapter, sql, args, fetch=False):

conn = adapter()
cur =conn.cursor()
cur.execute(sql, args)
rows = []
if fetch:
rows = cur.fetchall()
conn.commit()
return rows

class TestPhantom(GadflyTestBase):

def setUp(self):
GadflyTestBase.setUp(self)
dir = self.getGadflyRoot()
os.mkdir(os.path.join(dir, demo))
self.adapter = self._create(dbi://demo)
conn = self.adapter()
cur = conn.cursor()
cur.execute(create table t1 (name varchar))
conn.commit()

def test_Phantom(self):

adapter = self.adapter
insert = insert into t1 values (?)
select = select name from t1
delete = delete from t1

count = 0
for name in ('a', 'b', 'c'):
t = threading.Thread(target=exec_sql,
 args=(adapter, insert, (name,)))
t.start()
t.join()
rows = exec_sql(adapter, select, args=(), fetch=True)
count += 1 
self.assertEqual(len(rows), count)

exec_sql(adapter, delete, args=())
t = threading.Thread(target=exec_sql,
 args=(adapter, delete, ()))
t.start()
t.join()
rows = exec_sql(adapter, select, args=(), fetch=True)
self.assertEqual(len(rows), 0) 

def test_suite():
return TestSuite((
makeSuite(TestPhantom),
))

if __name__=='__main__':

main(defaultTest='test_suite')
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: View lookup changes in Zope 3.2?

2005-12-14 Thread Martijn Faassen

Jim Fulton wrote:

Jeff Shell wrote:



I understand why this is happening, but it's (obviously) not what I
want to have happen. I want MY skin layer's declaration of
'contents.html' to win out. It actually works for all container types,
so maybe I need to declare it for a root Zope container interface for
my layer?


I don't know enough about the relationshipd between your content
interfaces, to comment directly, but I will note that the intent
was that content interface would have precedence over skin.  This
was not the case before due to a bug in  multi-adapter lookup.


While I probably don't understand some details, this thread rather 
worries me.


Imagine I'm writing my own custom skin 'IFoo', that has a page directive 
for the page 'index' for Zope's 'IContainer' (say), in a layer that's in 
the skin 'IFoo'. Now someone whose skin setting is set to IFoo is 
looking at IFolder, which is an IContainer. Zope registers a 'index' 
page specific for IFolder.


Would now Zope's more specific registration win? How would I accomplish 
making a skin that takes care about overriding *all* IContainers without 
having to explicitly register for all sub-interfaces? Or am I wrong in 
even imagining this would be desirable?


Regards,

Martijn
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Interface implementation declaration weight (was Re: View lookup changes in Zope 3.2?)

2005-12-14 Thread Dominik Huber

Gary Poster wrote:

I'm pretty sure there's a proposal on the wiki somewhere with Jim's  
full lookup algorithm that you want, but the iro for the pertinent  
object(s) usually gets me far enough.


That might be the proposal you mentioned 
http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/ComponentArchitectureSimplification


Regards,
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[Zope3-dev] Certification: Twisted versus Zope / native HTTPS or Apache

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

giving recommendations about security, we advice everyone to put their
communication on protected lines. E.g. use HTTPS.

As we are targetting Zope 3.3, I think twisted can be the recommended
configuration option for Zope to run with.

How do you feel about the use of the HTTPS server of twisted instead of
requiring the user to channel it through an external HTTPS server, e.g.
apache?

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Twisted versus Zope / native HTTPS or Apache

2005-12-14 Thread Martijn Faassen

Christian Theune wrote:

giving recommendations about security, we advice everyone to put their
communication on protected lines. E.g. use HTTPS.

As we are targetting Zope 3.3, I think twisted can be the recommended
configuration option for Zope to run with.


Agreed.


How do you feel about the use of the HTTPS server of twisted instead of
requiring the user to channel it through an external HTTPS server, e.g.
apache?


I wonder how Apache front-ends would work with a HTTPS backend; would 
that give rise to new issues in configuring Apache and Zope together? 
There's little experience in this domain, I expect.


We'll have to see how things settle, but configuring Apache is familiar 
to many people and is knowledge that applies far and wide outside Zope, 
so I expect Apache frontends, also for HTTPS, will continue to be very 
important in Zope deployments in the forseeable future.


Possibly off on a tangent:

Twisted gets us out of the server business, but I don't want us to get 
into a situation where we're saying: Don't use this well-known Apache 
stuff that half the web is using! Use Twisted, something you never heard 
of before! Trust us, it's better!. Since we're not in the server 
business, we don't want to have to convince people that our server is 
better or whatever, or even make it very visible that it exists (ZServer 
isn't very visible to the outside as something Zope does, and I like it 
just fine that way). We use Twisted as it does the job, not because 
we're advocates that want to convince people to use it.


So, I think Apache has its place in front of Twisted, just like Apache 
now has its place in front of ZServer.


Regards,

Martijn
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Twisted versus Zope / native HTTPS or Apache

2005-12-14 Thread Rob Page

On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:28 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:

Christian Theune wrote:
  How do you feel about the use of the HTTPS server
  of twisted instead of requiring the user to channel
  it through an external HTTPS server, e.g.  apache?

[...]

 So, I think Apache has its place in front of Twisted,
 just like Apache now has its place in front of
 ZServer.

+1.  IIUC, the C2 certification is
configuration-dependent suggesting we work to get the
most mainstream/popular config certified.

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Twisted versus Zope / native HTTPS or Apache

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2005, 06:39 -0500 schrieb Rob Page:
 On Dec 14, 2005, at 6:28 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote:
   So, I think Apache has its place in front of Twisted,
   just like Apache now has its place in front of
   ZServer.
 
 +1.  IIUC, the C2 certification is
 configuration-dependent suggesting we work to get the
 most mainstream/popular config certified.

Ok. So in favor of the mainstream (and trusted!) configuration, I'll go
for using the standard Twisted/HTTP server in combination with a local
Apache that provides SSL to the web browser.

Fine with that.

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Twisted versus Zope / native HTTPS or Apache

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2005, 13:03 +0100 schrieb Christian Theune:
 Ok. So in favor of the mainstream (and trusted!) configuration, I'll go
 for using the standard Twisted/HTTP server in combination with a local
 Apache that provides SSL to the web browser.

Actually that also means that I only will mention Apache as an
additional add-on, because we do not want to certify the Apache setup
itself. It will look like this: 

- Zope is only certified on using the HTTP server
- You are required to use an encryption proxy in front of it, to ensure
a trusted path to the user.
- A famous proxy is Apache with a certain standard configuration. 

We can even show how the configuration will look like with Apache, but
that very likely won't be certified as a secure Apache setup is totally
out of our scope. 

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Support platforms different from Linux?

2005-12-14 Thread Adam Groszer
Hello Christian,

Wednesday, December 14, 2005, 10:30:46 AM, you wrote:

...

 So my question is: Does anybody think it will be a problem for Zope
 beeing CC certified only on Linux?

 Cheers,
 Christian

I'll say maybe a small survey should be done how many people are using
other OS's.

One more thing is that maybe you cannot force your next client to use
linux. I think big companies are (were) devoted to M$ or maybe Solaris for
high availability. Linux is getting into the picture slowly.
This is the same as for the apache/twisted question that Martijn wrote
Possibly off on a tangent in a previous mail. To get into the head
of the big bosses you have to show them something they know.

As I checked on www.commoncriteriaportal.org only the IBM WebSphere
Application Server has CC certification. Of course they have a bigger
founding to have CC for a lot of OS's.

HTH

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Support platforms different from Linux?

2005-12-14 Thread Reinoud van Leeuwen
On Wed, Dec 14, 2005 at 01:13:04PM +0100, Adam Groszer wrote:
 
 One more thing is that maybe you cannot force your next client to use
 linux. I think big companies are (were) devoted to M$ or maybe Solaris for
 high availability. Linux is getting into the picture slowly.

The company I work for (a major Dutch ISP) uses FreeBSD for high 
availability (but not yet for Zope hosting... working on that ;-)


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Re[2]: [Zope3-dev] how to manipulate interfaces?

2005-12-14 Thread Adam Groszer
Hello Stephan,

I'm just thinking about the following:

IDocTypeEditForm = copy.deepcopy(IDocType)
IDocTypeEditForm.getDescriptionFor('processDef').readonly=True

what do you think about that?

I'd like to keep it really simple and so reduce the opportunities of
errors.

Tuesday, December 13, 2005, 2:20:48 PM, you wrote:

 On Tuesday 13 December 2005 05:41, Adam Groszer wrote:
 IDocTypeEditForm.getDescriptionFor('processDef').readonly=True

 IDocType.getDescriptionFor('processDef').readonly

 True

 IDocTypeEditForm.getDescriptionFor('processDef').readonly

 True

 This is correct Python behavior. :-) If you want a refined field definition,
 you have to recreate the field.

 Regards,
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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: rdb: Disappearing Connection

2005-12-14 Thread Jim Washington

jürgen Kartnaller wrote:


Without going much deeper into the way zope uses database connections.

Wouldn't MySQL:Ping solve the reconnect Problem.
That's what I used in my old C++ projects.
Some kind of ensureConnected at the right place.

Jürgen
 


Thanks! I'll look into it.

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Interface implementation declaration weight (was Re: View lookup changes in Zope 3.2?)

2005-12-14 Thread Gary Poster


On Dec 14, 2005, at 4:56 AM, Dominik Huber wrote:


Gary Poster wrote:

I'm pretty sure there's a proposal on the wiki somewhere with  
Jim's  full lookup algorithm that you want, but the iro for the  
pertinent  object(s) usually gets me far enough.


That might be the proposal you mentioned http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/ 
ComponentArchitectureSimplification


Yes, looks like it. :-)  Thanks

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[Zope3-dev] Re: Interface implementation declaration weight (was Re: View lookup changes in Zope 3.2?)

2005-12-14 Thread Jim Fulton

Jeff Shell wrote:

On 12/13/05, Jim Fulton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Jeff Shell wrote:
...


Going through a lot of debugging, it looks as through it has to do
with how things are ranked in
zope.interface.adapter.AdapterLookup.lookup() for multi-adapters.


Yup.

I don't know enough about the relationshipd between your content
interfaces, to comment directly, but I will note that the intent
was that content interface would have precedence over skin.  This
was not the case before due to a bug in  multi-adapter lookup.



I'm sure that's the issue here. The software worked fine in 3.1, or
basically worked in a way that I assumed was fine.

The situations where this is affecting us is in some of our oldest
major Zope 3 code, and it's code we've had issues with before. Those
issues, and this one, are likely due to it being early code and us
(namely me) still learning a lot of core concepts and maybe not
applying them so well.

So I have a new question: with the different ways that 'implements'
and 'provides' may be applied to an object, is there a document that
details how those affect the interface/spec resolution order?

I'm thinking of things like interface inheritance, class inheritance,
ZCML's 'implements' directive, 'zope.interface.implements(IFoo)' in a
Python class statement, and any interfaces said to be provided by a
particular instance - how much weight does each method provide?


I'll write up a discussion of this ans check it in.  Feel free to
nag me if I don't get this done in a couple of days. :)

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: View lookup changes in Zope 3.2?

2005-12-14 Thread Jim Fulton

Martijn Faassen wrote:

Jim Fulton wrote:


Jeff Shell wrote:




I understand why this is happening, but it's (obviously) not what I
want to have happen. I want MY skin layer's declaration of
'contents.html' to win out. It actually works for all container types,
so maybe I need to declare it for a root Zope container interface for
my layer?



I don't know enough about the relationshipd between your content
interfaces, to comment directly, but I will note that the intent
was that content interface would have precedence over skin.  This
was not the case before due to a bug in  multi-adapter lookup.



While I probably don't understand some details, this thread rather 
worries me.


Imagine I'm writing my own custom skin 'IFoo', that has a page directive 
for the page 'index' for Zope's 'IContainer' (say), in a layer that's in 
the skin 'IFoo'. Now someone whose skin setting is set to IFoo is 
looking at IFolder, which is an IContainer. Zope registers a 'index' 
page specific for IFolder.


Would now Zope's more specific registration win?


Yes.

 How would I accomplish
making a skin that takes care about overriding *all* IContainers without 
having to explicitly register for all sub-interfaces?


You can't currently.

 Or am I wrong in even imagining this would be desirable?

I think so.  If there are custom views for more specific interfaces,
it is likely those custom views provide features that your generic
view doesn't.  It would be a bit unkind for your view to override
those.

Jim

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Support platforms different from Linux?

2005-12-14 Thread Jim Fulton

Christian Theune wrote:

Hi,

although Zope runs on platforms different than Linux, we'll have a hard
time to certify it on multiple platforms. Usually a very specific system
configuration is given, like Windows 2003 with Service Pack XY and
Hotfixes A, B and C.

I think we can get around that by making a small amount of assumptions
on the Linux kernel (e.g. large file support, memory, newer than 2.X.Y)
and don't go into distribution details. Additionally I'll describe the
source installation as the certified way of installing Zope, so we won't
be depending on any kind of package machinery.

So my question is: Does anybody think it will be a problem for Zope
beeing CC certified only on Linux?


Yes.  The customers of ours most likely to care about this
use Windows.  I would say in general, for better or worse, the decision
makers who would care about CC would also care about Windows.  I suspect that
the decision makers who care about linux would me likely to understand
that the platform doesn't matter that much and that certification for Windows
should make them feel warm and fuzzy about their Linux installations.

Jim

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[Zope3-dev] Re: Death to IContentContainer

2005-12-14 Thread S.Martin

Hi,



I've removed the references to IContentContainer within the trunk and
deprecate the IContentContainer interface.

There's a last reference within
/home/zopes/Zope3/src/zope/app/workflow/stateful/browser/configure.zcml



There's another important last reference within

zope.app.container.browser.configure.zcml

  view
  for=zope.app.container.interfaces.IContentContainer
  name=+
  menu=zmi_actions title=Add
  class=zope.app.container.browser.adding.ContentAdding
  permission=zope.ManageContent
  allowed_attributes=addingInfo isSingleMenuItem hasCustomAddView

page name=index.html  template=add.pt /
page name=action.html attribute=action /

  /view

It should be fixed by

  view
  for=zope.app.container.interfaces.IWriteContainer


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Re: [Zope3-dev] Certification: Support platforms different from Linux?

2005-12-14 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

Am Mittwoch, den 14.12.2005, 10:47 -0500 schrieb Jim Fulton:
 Yes.  The customers of ours most likely to care about this
 use Windows.  I would say in general, for better or worse, the decision
 makers who would care about CC would also care about Windows.  I suspect that
 the decision makers who care about linux would me likely to understand
 that the platform doesn't matter that much and that certification for Windows
 should make them feel warm and fuzzy about their Linux installations.

I see that point. As Adam pointed out, there was a certification of
websphere last year and the security target is publicly available. I'm
currently reading the MS Exchange evaluation and IBM WebSphere
evaluation and see that with a certain argumentation about our
virtualized platform (Python) we can make the operating system
irrelevant. Still, the TUV does have to approve that strategy. (They'll
be able to answer in January but that's not a problem right now, as this
week I'm still mostly gathering information and preparing the larger
changes.)

Thank you very much for the input,
Christian

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[Zope3-dev] File is not Contained

2005-12-14 Thread Thomas Lotze
Hi,

after having posted this to what I guess is the wrong list (all hail gmane
group names...) and having received no answer, I'll repost it here:

I noticed that zope.app.file.File does not inherit from
zope.app.container.contained.Contained. This does not stop a file from,
e.g., getting added to a folder (and the File type does appear in the
ZMI add menu). It does, however, stop you from getting at the File's
parent. Currently, File cannot be used as a proper content type, though it
looks like it is supposed to be one.

IMO File should inherit from Contained; am I wrong for some reason, or is
this an issue that should be fixed? If the latter, I'd look into it.

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[Zope3-dev] buildbot failure in Zope3 trunk 2.4 Windows 2000 fred-win

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