From: Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
not to speak of hemisemidemiquavers
It's actually hemidemisemiquavers.
But my Australian customers explicly told me they use hdsqs.
And 1/128th notes are semihemidemisemiquavers
You must be kidding! Ludicrous!
Why? I admit that there is logic to
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arent Storm
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From: Bernard Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
not to speak of hemisemidemiquavers
It's actually hemidemisemiquavers.
But my Australian customers explicly told me they use hdsqs.
And 1/128th notes are semihemidemisemiquavers
You
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Robinson
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the UK inch had previously been been equal to 2.54muttermuttermutter cm,
2.539998
Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of Music Publisher system
Music Software written by musicians for musicians
http://www.braeburn.co.uk
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phil Taylor
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John Chambers wrote:
Phil Taylor writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of
| tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled Standard and
| Metric. You folks in
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers
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But if you measure it in, say, attoparsecs,
this is the definition of a parsec (and of the atto- prefix).
Love it! 1 attoparsec is approx 3.1cm or 1.2 ... as everyone knows g
Bernard Hill
Braeburn Software
Author of
On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Bruce Olson wrote:
I don't think that is quite right. My recollection is that
39.37 inches was one meter until some time in the 1970s.
I was one of many scientists at the US National Bureau of
Standards who was appalled, to say the least, when the US
government decided
Frank Nordberg writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
|
| Yeah, and there has been a slow inflation of standard
| pitch over the several centuries that we've had such a
| concept.
| ...
| One of the explanations that I've heard is that string
| players tend to be leaders in this race.
|
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 09:32:27AM +0100, Bernard Hill wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Richard Robinson
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the UK inch had previously been been equal to 2.54muttermuttermutter cm,
2.539998
Aha. Negative muttering.
--
Richard Robinson
The whole plan hinged upon
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers
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Not just the tenors. I have a low bass voice, and choral music can
get painful after too long a rehearsal, because it's all in the upper
half of my range. In college, I was in a Russian choir for a few
years, and I was
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 08:48:11AM +, Tom Novelli wrote:
Makes for some confusion though, like when I asked for a 1/2 peso of ham
in a Costa Rican grocery store.. kilos! kilos! :) I guess you'd really
get some funny looks in a country with a worthless currency called the
Peso :)
Here
Bryan Creer writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
|
| we can align our music with the very basic phenomena of the cosmos.
|
| Talking of which, didn't you guys have a little trouble aligning one of your
| probes with Mars because of a mix up between metric and Imperial?
Sure did. And it led to a rash
Bernard Hill writes:
| In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
| But if you measure it in, say, attoparsecs,
| this is the definition of a parsec (and of the atto- prefix).
|
| Love it! 1 attoparsec is approx 3.1cm or 1.2 ... as everyone knows g
One of my
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Arent Storm
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OTOH, I've heard musicians of the British persuasion refer
to minims and crotchets and semidemiquavers. Not one in a
thousand American musicians could tell you what those terms
actually mean.
as well as allmost anyone
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers
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Bernard Hill writes:
| In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes
| But if you measure it in, say, attoparsecs,
| this is the definition of a parsec (and of the atto- prefix).
|
| Love it! 1
On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
not to speak of hemisemidemiquavers
It's actually hemidemisemiquavers.
But my Australian customers explicly told me they use hdsqs.
And 1/128th notes are semihemidemisemiquavers
You must be kidding! Ludicrous!
Most musicians can translate though
I
I. Oppenheim wrote:
Here in continental Europe, we have Euros, kilometers,
liters, celsius, and 1/128th notes, and we do not
understand anything more exotic than that...
Goodness, and they used to accuse us Brits of being
insular...
Anyway it's litres, as I'm sure your francophone neighbours
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], I. Oppenheim
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
not to speak of hemisemidemiquavers
It's actually hemidemisemiquavers.
But my Australian customers explicly told me they use hdsqs.
And 1/128th notes are semihemidemisemiquavers
You
On Tue, Jul 22, 2003 at 05:47:33PM +0100, Phil Taylor wrote:
I. Oppenheim wrote:
Here in continental Europe, we have Euros, kilometers,
liters, celsius, and 1/128th notes, and we do not
understand anything more exotic than that...
Goodness, and they used to accuse us Brits of being
Funny thing is that in recent years, they have abandoned any such
calibrated units for most measurements. Units of time, length,
voltage, etc. are now defined in terms such as the wavelength of a
specific spectral line in a specific isotope. So you don't have to
depend on a
John Chambers wrote:
With the Terminal on my new Powerbook (OSX) it beeps at me and
nothing appears on the screen. Now, this window is ssh'd to a FreeBSD
box, but I know it's not the software there that's doing it. I typed
the earlier message via an xterm on a linux system, ssh'd to the
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frank Nordberg
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John Chambers wrote:
©: 1998 Joe Smith ...
But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On
many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with
the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0)
Bernard Hill wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Frank Nordberg
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John Chambers wrote:
©: 1998 Joe Smith ...
But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On
many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with
the ALT-) (or
Bryan Creer commented:
| John Chambers wrote:
| But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On
| many=A0 linux=A0 and=A0 *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol wit=
| h
| the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think=A0 this=A0 will
| work on Windoze
Bryan Creer wrote:
|
| John Chambers wrote:
|
| I should maybe mention that this is a somewhat old W98=A0 box
| .=A0 And reboot is several times per day.
|
| Perhaps it's gone into a sulk because it's heard you being rude about=20
| Microsoft.
Maybe. And note that a lot of the recent
Phil Taylor writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of
| tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled Standard and
| Metric. You folks in the rest of the world may find yourself
| bewildered by this, but yes, they
John Chambers wrote:
Phil Taylor writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of
| tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled Standard and
| Metric. You folks in the rest of the world may find yourself
| bewildered
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 07:04:02PM -0400, Bruce Olson wrote:
John Chambers wrote:
Phil Taylor writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of
| tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled Standard and
| Metric. You folks
John Chambers wrote:
Phil Taylor writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| An interesting example: Sears is still one of the biggest seller of
| tools in the US, and they still sells tools labelled Standard and
| Metric. You folks in the rest of the world may find yourself
| bewildered by this,
Bruce Olson writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| There was a rather funny NRP article in the late 80's about the
| non-celebration of the 100th anniversary of the US going metric.
| They explained what they meant by this, of course, and in the process
| explained a lot about the
John Chambers wrote:
Bruce Olson writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| There was a rather funny NRP article in the late 80's about the
| non-celebration of the 100th anniversary of the US going metric.
| They explained what they meant by this, of course, and in the process
|
John Chambers wrote:
Bruce Olson writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
Sorry for that; I clicked the wrong button.
NIST studies a situation and makes reccomendations to Congress.
Congress, not NIST, then considers, and decides what will be a legal
definition.
Bruce Olson
--
Roots of Folk: Old
John Chambers wrote:
I can't think of a way to make a funny tie-in to music for this now.
Maybe someone else can.
Not so funny perhaps, but US orchestras tend to tune their instruments
slightly higher than waht is common in the rest of the world.
This is sometimes a problem for wind players
Frank Nordberg writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
| I can't think of a way to make a funny tie-in to music for this now.
| Maybe someone else can.
|
| Not so funny perhaps, but US orchestras tend to tune their instruments
| slightly higher than waht is common in the rest of the world.
|
| This is
Jack Campin writes:
I use A: for the author of the words. This violates the 1.6 spec,
but the area idea just doesn't work - you can't fit the geographic
description of a tune into a one-liner.
And in another email continues:
Better to use the O: field hierarchically:
O:Halifax, Nova
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:31:54PM +, John Chambers wrote:
Richard Robinson writes:
|
| I've been forced to use this for %%Copyright, which is a thing that's
| important to keep track of, which ordinary ABC can't handle.
This is also done routinely by a lot of people by putting
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bernard Hill
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Novelli
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Anyway, here's an example:
T:title
W:music by ...
W:words by ...
N:sources, discography, books, history, transcription notes, etc.
% From http://...
L:1/8 M:2/4
We have had occasional suggestions that abc allow spelling out the
names of header lines, using Title: and Composer: for example. This
would mean some small tweaks to abc parsers, but it obvious wouldn't
be a really big deal.
Ho Ho! Perhaps not in C, where a pointer to a char is the
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 03:02:28PM +0100, Phil Taylor wrote:
But I think we're going to have to deal with this at some point.
We _are_ running out of characters, there are ambiguities which could be
clarified by using a whole word, it would make the whole thing rather
more accessible to
Richard Robinson writes:
| On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:31:54PM +, John Chambers wrote:
| Richard Robinson writes:
| | I've been forced to use this for %%Copyright, which is a thing that's
| | important to keep track of, which ordinary ABC can't handle.
|
| There is a minor problem with the
John Chambers wrote in part:
©: 1998 Joe Smith ...
But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On
many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with
the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think this will
work on Windoze or Mac systems.
In
The whole origin/area/source issue must have been beaten to death many
times before I got here... you can't really say where a 300-year old tune
originated. And then some people would sink so low as to pass it off as
their own work, if it's obscure enough. Or write what they believe to be
an
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Steve Mansfield
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bernard Hill
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In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Novelli
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Anyway, here's an example:
T:title
W:music by ...
W:words by ...
N:sources, discography,
John McChesney-Young writes:
| John Chambers wrote in part:
|
| ©: 1998 Joe Smith ...
|
| But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On
| many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with
| the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think this
On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 03:53:17PM +, John Chambers wrote:
Richard Robinson writes:
|
| | I've been forced to use this for %%Copyright, which is a thing that's
| | important to keep track of, which ordinary ABC can't handle.
I've long thought that we really should have a well-defined
these are all arguments for full-word labels.
%% looks kludgy to me.
N: is cryptic
I just don't understand why this is an issue.
jw
On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 01:41 pm, John Chambers wrote:
John McChesney-Young writes:
| John Chambers wrote in part:
|
| ©: 1998 Joe Smith ...
|
| But some
Jeff Szuhay wrote:
these are all arguments for full-word labels.
%% looks kludgy to me.
Agreed. It does have the advantage of being automatically ignored
by programs which don't understand it though. I've always thought
of it as mainly suitable for completely program-specific features
which
John Chambers wrote:
©: 1998 Joe Smith ...
But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On
many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with
the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think this will
work on Windoze or Mac systems.
Why
Particularly, I'm getting unhappy about Jack's (??I think) mention
of A: as Author (of words). Or, more particularly, I use A: heavily as
Area, and am not comfortable, about 1) conflicting with other meanings
(it's not the first time A: == Author has been mentioned) and 2) the
issues that
I'd also suggest that we strongly encourage a URL or email address
[...] so that people can easily find the owner and ask for permission
to use the music.
we should note that any email addresses they contain may be a spam
risk, while (if) encouraging people to use them. URLs much better;
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 02:24:20AM +0100, Jack Campin wrote:
Particularly, I'm getting unhappy about Jack's (??I think) mention
of A: as Author (of words). Or, more particularly, I use A: heavily as
Area, and am not comfortable, about 1) conflicting with other meanings
(it's not the
On Mon, Jul 21, 2003 at 02:24:35AM +0100, Jack Campin wrote:
I'd also suggest that we strongly encourage a URL or email address
[...] so that people can easily find the owner and ask for permission
to use the music.
we should note that any email addresses they contain may be a spam
risk,
Frank Nordberg writes:
| John Chambers wrote:
|
| ©: 1998 Joe Smith ...
|
| But some people might have problems figuring out how to type this. On
| many linux and *BSD systems, you can get the copyright symbol with
| the ALT-) (or ALT-SHIFT-0) combination, but I don't think this will
|
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
I've been working on an Abc 2.0 proposal, which is a stripped-down
version of 1.6. Amongst other things, I removed most of the headers
(notably A-G, X and Z, to avoid confusion with notes and rests).
In my view of things, removing the C:Composer
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 10:20:03AM +, Tom Novelli wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
I've been working on an Abc 2.0 proposal, which is a stripped-down
version of 1.6. Amongst other things, I removed most of the headers
(notably A-G, X and Z, to avoid confusion with
ALERT: Radical idea ahead! Disregard if your blood pressure is already
high.
I've been working on an Abc 2.0 proposal, which is a stripped-down
version of 1.6. Amongst other things, I removed most of the headers
(notably A-G, X and Z, to avoid confusion with notes and rests).
Why are you guys
On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
But, as has been said before, ABC is used for a lot more than just
rendering sheet music. One advantage it has, to me, over just about
everything else I've looked at is the way it offers a usable way of storing
_lots_ of tunes, rather than just
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:45:02AM -0400, Jeff Szuhay wrote:
ALERT: Radical idea ahead! Disregard if your blood pressure is already
high.
I've been working on an Abc 2.0 proposal, which is a stripped-down
version of 1.6. Amongst other things, I removed most of the headers
(notably A-G, X
On Sat, Jul 19, 2003 at 11:50:19AM +, Tom Novelli wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
But, as has been said before, ABC is used for a lot more than just
rendering sheet music. One advantage it has, to me, over just about
everything else I've looked at is the way it
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tom Novelli
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Anyway, here's an example:
T:title
W:music by ...
W:words by ...
N:sources, discography, books, history, transcription notes, etc.
% From http://...
L:1/8 M:2/4 Q:1/4=120 K:G dorian
Just a minute - who says that 4 parameters
Richard Robinson writes:
|
| A parser should be able to know that a word at the beginning of a line
| delimited with : is
| a keyword.
|
| Of course, It's already possible to do this, using the %% trick (convention).
| I've been forced to use this for %%Copyright, which is a thing that's
|
It seems to me like extensibility is abc's Achilles' heel. Ten years ago
it made sense to be vague -- nobody really knew how it would be used.
It was more of a suggestion than a standard. We have enough
experience now to create a real standard for folk music, which is what Abc
was intended for
On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, Tom Novelli wrote:
P.S. I'm working on an Abc viewer for Linux/svgalib.. it could be adapted
to Windows as a replacement for Abc2win - then there'd be no excuses :)
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can't wait to see
In my view of things, removing the C:Composer field steps just over the
line in being too radical :0( I really like to see this header just under
the title, where it doesn't get lost.
Retaining the identity of the composer is paramount in importance to
knowing the name of the tune, and thus
Don Whitener writes:
| In my view of things, removing the C:Composer field steps just over the
| line in being too radical :0( I really like to see this header just under
| the title, where it doesn't get lost.
This does remind me of something that has long been lacking from abc:
We need a
Jack Campin writes:
|
| I use A: for the author of the words. This violates the 1.6 spec,
| but the area idea just doesn't work - you can't fit the geographic
| description of a tune into a one-liner.
Maybe we should start spreading the word that this is the best place
to put this info. With
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