well, this i would called, one track mind.
no matter what you say,
your arguments are twisted to suit the argument.
after valid points raised by Nidhi,Viraf and Anirudh
most is spoken.,in my opinion.
At 05:33 PM 7/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:
It is really shocking to see that some who were luckily
From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf
Of Ritesh Agarwal
Sent: 22 July 2021 13:01
To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
Subject: Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP
Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism on
display in
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> behalf of Avichal Bhatnagar
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2021 5:33:38 PM
> *To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> *Subject:* Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP
> Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ablei
.
Viraj
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*From:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in on
behalf of Avichal Bhatnagar
*Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2021 5:33:38 PM
*To:* accessindia@accessindia.org.in
*Subject:* Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP
Population Control Bill is Matched only b
It is really shocking to see that some who were luckily treated as
equal by their families are trying to make blatant generalisations on
this issue, not realising that their case was an exception rather than
the norm.
By putting arguments devoid of any touch with ground reality, all such
people hav
destany my friend Vivek.
that part of my story some other time.
At 05:10 PM 7/22/2021 +0530, you wrote:
Then instead of living with your family and brothers then why went to
Austria and settled, because of fed up off Indian society and went to
Austria, Hahaa
On 7/22/21, 'Mahendra Galani' via Ac
Then instead of living with your family and brothers then why went to
Austria and settled, because of fed up off Indian society and went to
Austria, Hahaa
On 7/22/21, 'Mahendra Galani' via AccessIndia
wrote:
> in my case, i lost my father, when i was only 15, few years before
> that, turn blind a
in my case, i lost my father, when i was only 15, few years before
that, turn blind at the age of 12 in year 1972,
since both my older brothers were not so good at school
, could not get good paying jobs.
my mom was supplying milk
in our neighbourhood to supplement meagre income.
i am proud
of
I also belong to a lower middle class family.
And have never felt that, I am not equal.
However there are so many stereotypes which I had to break.
During the argument on this bill with one of my relative, Who is not much
aware about disability.
So he was suggesting me to think on humanitarian
Hello everyone!
Disclaimer: It is a long mail.
It seemed to me that there are atleast 2 school of thoughts on UP
Population Control Bill. One talks about idealism and the other talks of
reality.
As said in one of the previous mails, there are or would be many parents
who do considered PWDs as
Hi Friends,
I belong to a lower middle class family and have not been treated in
any way that compromised my dignity. Also, I know of many people with
disabilities who have done well despite their disabilities and lower
socioeconomic background. I have never had servants or any help and
in fact,
(Really I was not interested in this useless arguements)
useless arguements?
if this is thinkinng of our member, no need to
discuss further.
idea of this bill is population control,
with above attitude , best way to control
population, is kill all disabled of UP, wiche
most be at list 10 % of U
Really I was not interested in this useless arguements, but writing in
law and the ground reality regarding Disabled children the perspective
is totally different, Mr.Bajaj I hope you belong to well rich family
so for your support there might be many servants so you don't feel so
much but ask the d
ent: Monday, July 19, 2021 8:35:38 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP
> Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling
> ableism on display in this group by those who should know better
&
well said Tony.
At 12:29 PM 7/21/2021 -0400, you wrote:
Hello,
I am not someone who posts here regularly but I think I would be
abdicating my responsibility as a person with disability if I do not
state my views on the UP population bill.
At the outset, let me be clear that Sec 15 of the bill i
my remark came after your comment, so who is doing what?
practise first what you preach.
At 10:21 PM 7/21/2021 +0530, you wrote:
Yes, you shouldn't increase traffic unnecessarily if you have nothing
substantial to contribute.
On 7/21/21, 'Mahendragalani' via AccessIndia
wrote:
> Hello my youn
My friend, since I find your write up to be quite well structured and
put with civility, therefore I am putting below a few observations:
1. Privilege is when one doesn't know the daily challenges being faced
by someone, and they just indulge in academic jargon. Such a point of
view, no matter how
Let's not make it personal please. Discussing the real issue is what
we are here for. We may or may not agree with one another, it doesn't
matter.
On 7/21/21, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote:
> Yes, you shouldn't increase traffic unnecessarily if you have nothing
> substantial to contribute.
>
>
> On 7/2
Yes, you shouldn't increase traffic unnecessarily if you have nothing
substantial to contribute.
On 7/21/21, 'Mahendragalani' via AccessIndia
wrote:
> Hello my young friend, wrong word, it is not preaching from Austria, but
> observation. I have also observed in the past, when you don’t find any
Hello,
I am not someone who posts here regularly but I think I would be
abdicating my responsibility as a person with disability if I do not
state my views on the UP population bill.
At the outset, let me be clear that Sec 15 of the bill is ableist and
is discriminatory towards persons with disab
Hello my young friend, wrong word, it is not preaching from Austria, but
observation. I have also observed in the past, when you don’t find any sensible
argument, you start, in my case like preaching from Austria. Last time around,
you are making fun of someone, who made spelling mistakes. Me yo
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> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in on
> behalf of Avichal Bhatnagar
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 8:35:38 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP
> Population Control Bi
>
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> Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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> From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in on
> behalf of Avichal Bhatnagar
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 8:35:38 PM
> To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in
> Subject: Re: [AI] The appalling ab
more than 80% dsability or multiple or
> seveer desability.
>
> - Original Message - From: "Avichal Bhatnagar"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2021 8:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [AI] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP
> Population Control Bill
ol Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism
on display in this group by those who should know better
As far as I understand, all the above points come from someone having
a privileged position; the everyday realities faced by millions of
disabled are quite different and don't g
I] The appalling ableism on display in S. 15 of the UP
Population Control Bill is Matched only by the even more appalling ableism on
display in this group by those who should know better
As far as I understand, all the above points come from someone having
a privileged position; the everyday rea
There is no question about someone having a privileged position or not.
The thing is that, this section will contribute to make strong ablism.
If they kept this provision limited to those people, who actually need high
support as defined under section 2. (l) of the rights of persons with
disabili
As far as I understand, all the above points come from someone having
a privileged position; the everyday realities faced by millions of
disabled are quite different and don't get reflected at all.
The only sensible point which I could decipher was that the exception
should be made only for those d
I do not regularly post in this group. However, after reading the discussion
on S. 15 of the UP Population Control Bill, I felt compelled to speak. If we
cannot collectively raise our voices against such blatant display of ableism
and pure and simple discrimination, then we might as well shut this
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