Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-16 Thread dmmoffett
Right. You have to live in the world as it is. If you think something is wrong then the least useful thing to do is go cry about boomers on the internet. From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 1:42 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

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2023-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Oh, you just triggered a bad memory... From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 12:19 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange thats the one complaint i do have about him and his peer group. not a single one of them has probably done a keg stand

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2023-02-16 Thread Steve Jones
teve Jones > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2023 11:36 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > My boy turned 18 in december. Hes talked about moving out. I tell him hes > dumb if he does. As long as he lives under my roof the utiliti

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2023-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
: Thursday, February 16, 2023 11:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange My boy turned 18 in december. Hes talked about moving out. I tell him hes dumb if he does. As long as he lives under my roof the utilities are going to be paid, because I have to pay them

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2023-02-16 Thread Tyson Burris
is strictly prohibited. From: AF On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 1:16 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange You honestly should calm down Tyson. Acting like a buffoon. On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:01 AM Tyson Burris mailto:t

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2023-02-16 Thread Robert
ck - Lists *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Too many parents want to be friends with their kids and not actually parent.  Good news is, if you do a good job of parenting, you’ll likely have

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2023-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
of crap jobs. From: Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 10:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange My son did it. Lives in Bloomington in a one bedroom. After utilities, he is dropping just over 1K per month. Has 25K in the bank saved from

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2023-02-16 Thread Steve Jones
Armageddon from here on out >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 6:25 PM >>> *To:* Ryan Ray >>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG

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2023-02-16 Thread Steve Jones
d live with us. (However one of the kids and her spouse is not > welcome...) > > Some of them have, but they have mostly all moved on. > > *From:* Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2023 10:35 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG

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2023-02-16 Thread Jaime Solorza
ilization peaked with boomers. All downhill to >> Armageddon from here on out >> >> >> >> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 6:25 PM >> *To:* Ryan Ray >> *Cc:* Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group &

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2023-02-16 Thread Ryan Ray
ividuals is strictly* > *prohibited.* > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of * Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Thursday, February 16, 2023 12:46 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > > Yeah, you guys. lol. > > > > On T

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2023-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Well, Jaime is back... Still missing Lewis and Ken to really get something going... From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 11:11 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I don't understand the desire to break lent. It just drives away the value. I

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2023-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange So then live with a room mate? I lived at home with my parents until I had a new home with my wife. No shame here. I know plenty of people that lived with an assortment of friends until they got married. My wife's cousin lives with her fiance

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2023-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:59:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Chuck, I don't doubt you are doing well. That being said, don't go breaking lent now :) - Jared Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com

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2023-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:28:53 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange This is provably incorrect. Counterexample: slavery and forced labor. $15/h may be an awesome deal or it may

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2023-02-16 Thread Tyson Burris
: Thursday, February 16, 2023 12:46 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Yeah, you guys. lol. On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 9:39 AM Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: "If you're 22, you should be able to afford a 1br apartment on your own, you

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2023-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 4:40:25 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Things have improved dramatically on the whole over time. My dilapidated house that I mentioned earlier was built in the 1920’s. I

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2023-02-16 Thread Ryan Ray
-- > *From: *"Ryan Ray" > *To: *"Chuck McCown" > *Cc: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Sent: *Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:54:18 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this

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2023-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
t is wrong... - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ryan Ray" To: "Chuck McCown" Cc: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:54:18 P

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2023-02-16 Thread Mike Hammett
Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ryan Ray" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 2:58:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Chuck, I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistic

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2023-02-16 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
. But he said nothing, did nothing, no apology. He said he thinks he understands my viewpoint. He found his happiness elsewhere. From: Tyson Burris Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 9:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange We are Gen X. Tyson Burris

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2023-02-16 Thread Tyson Burris
prohibited. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 11:24 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange thats a lie chuck, top kek was gen x or whatever my generation of feral fucks is (born 1978). We can work hard, handle technology, fix

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2023-02-16 Thread Tyson Burris
by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2023 11:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Weldong is one of those "entry level" gigs that comes at a great cost to the

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2023-02-16 Thread Steve Jones
* Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > Exactly what problems are young people facing? Almost every single one > that wants to can enlist in the military. That will feed them and teach > them a skill (and some manners, and how to

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2023-02-16 Thread Steve Jones
; > So how is it people have it so much worse today? > > > > *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > Too many parents want to be friends with their kids

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2023-02-15 Thread Larry Smith
ut I’m > > sure some do. > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *fiber...@mail.com > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 3:20 PM > > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > > >

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
goes back up. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 3:57 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I didn't say corporations cannot sue. I said corporations have fewer protections than employees. - J

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2023-02-15 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
* AF *On Behalf Of *fiber...@mail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 3:20 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > > The counterexamples were in response to the absolutist statement > regardling the lack of value of labor. They were not

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Exchange Chuck, I don't doubt you are doing well. That being said, don't go breaking lent now :) - Jared Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Spin your prose all you wan

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
Chuck, I don't doubt you are doing well.   That being said, don't go breaking lent now :)     - Jared     Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023  From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: "Chuck McCown" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Spin your prose all

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
I didn't say corporations cannot sue. I said corporations have fewer protections than employees.     - Jared     Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023  From: "Chuck McCown" To: fiber...@mail.com Cc: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Really, corporations

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 3:45 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Let’s say Forrest needs a PCB layout person. You take the unskilled, unwashed, serf off of the street and give them an interview

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:44 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Glassdoor provides reviews of companies, not employees. Companies have fewer protections than employees in this regard. - Jared Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
that service work, but I’m not going to volunteer for the job. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 3:36 PM To: fiber...@mail.com Cc: Chuck McCown ; af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange If that was true, the courts would be packed with Glassdoor

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
Glassdoor provides reviews of companies, not employees.   Companies have fewer protections than employees in this regard.     - Jared     Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 From: "Chuck McCown" To: fiber...@mail.com Cc: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange If tha

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
as little as I could all along the way. From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:31 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I interpreted it in a more hyperbolic way. I.E. The value of an unskilled person is zero to Forrest because

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2023-02-15 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
;Forrest Christian (List Account)" > *To:* "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > I listed a job about a year ago with multiple pay rates depending on > experience. > > The lowest tier was at $15 an hour if you have zero experience and a &g

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
If that was true, the courts would be packed with Glassdoor litigation. From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:33 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange There's a first time for everything :) However, what you were proposing

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
of applicants to those who can afford to take the job, rather than to all those who may have a disposition for the job. - Jared Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange “This is provably

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
  Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 From: "Chuck McCown" To: fiber...@mail.com Cc: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Been an employer for over 40 years now, thousands of employees over the years, many hundreds of HR calls made and received between hundreds of

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange “This is provably incorrect. Counterexample: slavery and forced labor.” I’m not sure what the relevance is of forced labor in this discussion. Do you mean because a $0 “employee” drives down the market price? Where

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
That’s fair. There’s a time and a place. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:50 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Not discussing compensation early in the process is just wasting everybody's time. I never work

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
of applicants to those who can afford to take the job, rather than to all those who may have a disposition for the job.     - Jared   Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023  From: dmmoff...@gmail.com To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange “This i

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Users Group' ; fiber...@mail.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Also attendance records. Did they ever do a no call no show. Did they ever have a physical altercation with another employee. Were they ever suspected of stealing or time card fraud... Lots of questions get

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:01 PM To: dmmoff...@gmail.com ; 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' ; fiber...@mail.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange We do it all the time. Would you rehire this person? #1 question asked and answered. You are communicating the same

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
. Nobody says they can’t discuss the employee. From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 12:42 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Litigation, or risk thereof, is the reason why a lot of corporations will only confirm that a person

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2023-02-15 Thread Zach Underwood
atic both > from a practical and ethical standpoint. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:24 PM > *To:* fiber...@mail.com; af@af.afmug.com > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > >

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Further: credit ratings are not subjective. You paid the bill or you didn’t pay the bill. If the credit bureau is wrong you can get the info corrected by simply proving you did pay it. Criminal records are not subjective either. You pled guilty, or you were proven guilty

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
lFarm Microwave Users Group'" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Not only that, but part of Job Hunting 101 is don’t discuss compensation too early.  This isn’t some executive level skill, everyone should know this.  You can negotiate once it’s understood that both parties are interested.  

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:29 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange This is provably incorrect. Counterexample: slavery and forced labor. $15/h may be an awesome deal or it may not, if working at McDonald's pays $18/h. Market wages do not really care about what's &

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
: "Chuck McCown" To: fiber...@mail.com, af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Exactly what would be the complaint in the litigation?  Disparagement?  Not a valid complaint if true.  Not actionable if true.  You can legally disparage all you want as long as you are telling

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
doubt. “I think this person is a bad employee” is 100% subjective. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:24 PM To: fiber...@mail.com; af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Exactly what would be the complaint

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
it would be problematic both from a practical and ethical standpoint. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:24 PM To: fiber...@mail.com; af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Exactly what would be the complaint

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
2023 at 6:09 PM From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange The value of someone with zero skills and experience is zero.   The fact that many employers are willing to hire someone that has zero skills

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
to litigate... Love to see it. What states require a company to post salary ranges? From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:51 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange ... or each company could post salary ranges, as already required in some

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
We haven’t seen the ad, so that’s an assumption. We could just as easily assume the applicant didn’t read it right. From: AF On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 2:11 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange You seem surprised that you were

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
. From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 12:02 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange A market wage does not imply skill or experience. Even unskilled workers have a market wage. An underpaid job does not equate investement in yourself. - Jared Sent

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
il.com To: "'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'" < <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange A job where you can learn skills to make yourself more valuable is an investment in yourself. If you look at the market wage and think you get that on your first d

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
EXACTLY From: Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:49 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange It’d be like Glassdoor, but for employers. I’m told such a thing exists in the medical industry already. Apparently my sister in law

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
This seems like such a no-brainer on paper, but there is an actual value to cultural context.     - Jared     Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:00 PM From: "Paul Dowling via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Paul Dowling" Subject: Re: [AF

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
ave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I listed a job about a year ago with multiple pay rates depending on experience.    The lowest tier was at $15 an hour if you have zero experience and a willingness to learn.   It was also very clear in the description that this was a training

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
ubject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange A job where you can learn skills to make yourself more valuable is an investment in yourself. If you look at the market wage and think you get that on your first day without having any skill or experience yet then you are not being realistic.     From: AF On Behal

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
, there's a reason why blacklisting was made illegal.   Employers can already ask for references and a CV.   - Jared     Sent: Wednesday, February 15 From: "Chuck McCown via AF" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Cc: "Chuck McCown" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchan

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2023-02-15 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
.  Let them file a protest and a letter just like a credit report.  I would call it “The permanent record”     From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:18 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange   I really wish there was

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2023-02-15 Thread Cameron Crum
permanent record” > > > *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:18 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > I really wish there was a way that one could determine if the maximum an >

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I really wish there was a way that one could determine if the maximum an employer was willing to pay overlapped with the minimum an employee would accept without completely spoiling the whole negotiation process. I don't want to waste anyone's time if I won't

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2023-02-15 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
all then > it’s fair to ask what they had in mind. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Zach Underwood > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:28 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > > I disagree wit

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
If they didn’t advertise any range or even a ballpark figure at all then it’s fair to ask what they had in mind. From: AF On Behalf Of Zach Underwood Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:28 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I disagree

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange The value of someone with zero skills and experience is zero. The fact that many employers are willing to hire someone that has zero skills and experience at $15/hr and train them at zero cost to the employee is an awesome deal for a person who wants

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2023-02-15 Thread Zach Underwood
nderstood that both parties are > interested. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Forrest Christian > (List Account) > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:10 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > > >

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2023-02-15 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
deserve $18/hour? From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 8:06 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I don't quite get the logic of this. Why would you work for less than market wages? How is working for less than market wages an investment in yourself

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 11:10 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange The value of someone with zero skills and experience is zero. The fact that many employers are willing to hire someone that has zero skills and experience at $15/hr and train them

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2023-02-15 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
storm sewer) >>> >>> Where on the stone tablets that Moses brought down from the mountain >>> does it say: “Young people should have it easier than you had it”? >>> >>> You eat what you kill. >>> >>> >>> https://historyhustle.com/2

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2023-02-15 Thread Paul Dowling via AF
;> Oh, the horrors of having to cook your own food, walking to work and >>>> living in a single wide. Those are human rights abuses man! (said all the >>>> snowflakes and they melted and went down the storm sewer) >>>> >>>> Where on the stone

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2023-02-15 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
uman rights abuses man! (said all the >>> snowflakes and they melted and went down the storm sewer) >>> >>> Where on the stone tablets that Moses brought down from the mountain >>> does it say: “Young people should have it easier than you had it”? >>> >&g

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:07 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I don't quite get the logic of this. Why would you work for less than market wages? How is working for less than market wages an investment in yourself? - Jared On Wednesday

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2023-02-15 Thread fiberrun
ould have it easier than you had it”?    You eat what you kill.   https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/     From: Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 5:55 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

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2023-02-15 Thread dmmoffett
then we have to live in the world as it is. -Adam From: AF On Behalf Of Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 10:47 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange A lot of what is happening now can be attributed to housing imho

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2023-02-14 Thread Chuck Macenski
sier than you had it”? >> >> You eat what you kill. >> >> >> https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/ >> >> >> *From:* Ryan Ray >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 5:55 PM >> *To:* Chuck McCown

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Ryan Ray
have it easier than you had it”? > > You eat what you kill. > > > https://historyhustle.com/2500-years-of-people-complaining-about-the-younger-generation/ > > > *From:* Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 5:55 PM > *To:* Chuck McCown > *Cc:* AnimalFarm M

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Bill Prince
AF *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 6:25 PM *To:* Ryan Ray *Cc:* Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Exactly what problems are young people facing? Almost every single one that wants to can enlist in the military.  That will feed them and teach them

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Cameron Crum
Ray > *Cc:* Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > Exactly what problems are young people facing? Almost every single one > that wants to can enlist in the military. That will feed them and teach > them a skill (and some manner

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
I just realized, civilization peaked with boomers. All downhill to Armageddon from here on out From: Chuck McCown via AF Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 6:25 PM To: Ryan Ray Cc: Chuck McCown ; AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Exactly what problems

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2023-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Not defeatist or jealousy or envy. I’m 34, I bought a 2500sqft house on a green belt in 2013 (25 Years old). Sold my company, and I live an extremely comfortable life for someone my age. No mortgage, a couple nice cars. I worked very hard, lots of long nights, lots

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Ryan Ray
er... > > *From:* Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:48 PM > *To:* Chuck McCown > *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > lol. These boomers I swear. Live in your 5 roommate 2000sqft box until 50, > retire at 87. Bcck in my day

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2023-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
you could be like a boomer... From: Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:48 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange lol. These boomers I swear. Live in your 5 roommate 2000sqft box until 50, retire at 87. Bcck in my day I slept in a dirt

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Ryan Ray
gt; *To:* Chuck McCown > *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking > about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money, > trying to get out. S

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2023-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
Fantasy land From: Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 2:54 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Tyson Burris
kef> From: AF on behalf of Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 4:54:18 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking about a 17 year old, you're still

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2023-02-14 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange   I think ages make a huge difference in a lot of this. If you're talking about a 17 year old, you're still living at home, saving all your money, trying to get out. Sure, $17 an hour would be amazing. If you're 22, you

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Adam Moffett
Why? Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> From: AF on behalf of Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 4:54:18 PM To: Chuck McCown Cc: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange I think ages make a huge difference in

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Ryan Ray
ay > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > > Chuck, > > I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want > to learn and listen. > > Ho

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Cameron Crum
Are you saying that todays’ kids will not stoop to that same level? > > Now there’s your sign. > > > > *From:* Ryan Ray > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Cc:* Chuck McCown > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange > &g

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2023-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
+1 From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 2:20 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Mr Ryan, the rental market has been unfeasible at minimum wage without roommates for my entire life. I lived with anywhere from 1-5 other people until I

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Adam Moffett
$36K today. >> >> https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/ >> >> So how is it people have it so much worse today? >> >> >> >> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Chuck, I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want to learn and listen. Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services, fuel, goods are at all time highs. Rental markets are becoming unfeasible unless living

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown via AF
: Ryan Ray Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 1:58 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Cc: Chuck McCown Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Chuck, I'm going to assume you're not trying to cherry pick statistics and want to learn and listen. Housing is only one part of the equation. Food, services

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread dmmoffett
We might all sound like the Four Yorkshiremen right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE From: dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2023 3:58 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Cc: 'Chuck McCown' Subject: RE: [AFMUG] FB Exchange Some people would put me

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2023-02-14 Thread Ryan Ray
e cost $12,000 in 1982. Or > about $36K today. > > https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/744-S-1750-W-Vernal-UT-84078/2070550612_zpid/ > > So how is it people have it so much worse today? > > > > *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2023 11:39 AM >

Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange

2023-02-14 Thread dmmoffett
: Re: [AFMUG] FB Exchange One of my millennial daughters, grown, married, trying to adult, lives with her brother and his wife told me that I just don’t understand how hard it is today compared to when I was younger. So I did a little comparison for her: My first paid job in 1976 was $2

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