Re: [AFMUG] Access Broadband over Powerline

2018-07-19 Thread Brian Webster
I am not an expert on this but ask them what data throughput speeds they can do on this meter reading system? I know a lot of rural Co-Ops that have had meter reading and network monitoring over their lines for years. So yes you can do some level of data over power lines and pass through transfo

[AFMUG] Ruckus Xclaim DHCP Issues

2018-07-19 Thread Nate Burke
I have a single site where I have multiple Xi-3 AP's deployed. About every 45 days, one of them goes into a state where it will happily connect the clients on the RF, but not allow DHCP to hand an IP address out. Rebooting the AP (Through the cloud manager) fixes the issue. Since it's happily

Re: [AFMUG] Access Broadband over Powerline

2018-07-19 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 7/19/18 6:11 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Hmmm. Just spoke with our power company. Their meter data flows throw the transformer. How’s that work? Your smart meter probably has an FCC number on it or something. Look that up. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listi

Re: [AFMUG] Access Broadband over Powerline

2018-07-19 Thread Matt Hoppes
Hmmm. Just spoke with our power company. Their meter data flows throw the transformer. How’s that work? > On Jul 19, 2018, at 21:07, Brian Webster wrote: > > That type of meter reading is very slow speed data as I recall, I think less > than dial up. It works good for once a month meter readi

Re: [AFMUG] Access Broadband over Powerline

2018-07-19 Thread Brian Webster
That type of meter reading is very slow speed data as I recall, I think less than dial up. It works good for once a month meter readings and occasionally sending data bullets to shut down water heaters and such. As Adam mentioned the idea of BPL was flawed because they assumed in the models that th

Re: [AFMUG] Access Broadband over Powerline

2018-07-19 Thread Matt Hoppes
Our local power company has smart meters that they absolutely read over the powerline. I feel like even if you had to do a electric tap and a small access point at the transformer you could stomach it is the smile on it. > On Jul 19, 2018, at 20:46, Adam Moffett wrote: > > They use wireless f

Re: [AFMUG] Access Broadband over Powerline

2018-07-19 Thread Adam Moffett
They use wireless for smart meters.  Around here it's Wimax to feed a 900mhz base station, then 900 to the smart meter.  In a different municipality nearby they have a mobile system that polls the meters when they drive by.  So the meter reader still exists, but all he has to do is drive slowly

Re: [AFMUG] Access Broadband over Powerline

2018-07-19 Thread Matt Hoppes
Seems simple enough. So what means exist for BPL to the transformer? How do smart meters work? They have to jump the transformer some how. > On Jul 19, 2018, at 20:33, Adam Moffett wrote: > > Signal doesn't pass through transformers, so you need the access point on the > customer side of t

Re: [AFMUG] Access Broadband over Powerline

2018-07-19 Thread Adam Moffett
Signal doesn't pass through transformers, so you need the access point on the customer side of the transformer.  So you need a means to get internet to the pole which has the customer's transformer on it.  If you could do that you wouldn't need the BPL. That's the long and the short of it. O

[AFMUG] Access Broadband over Powerline

2018-07-19 Thread Matt Hoppes
There was much chatter about this technology some years ago, and then the talk of it fizzled - even though the FCC approved it. Does anyone know of anyone making access wide area BPL equipment currently? Anyone here have any experience with it? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afm

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF not propagating default route...

2018-07-19 Thread Nate Burke
All different mix of ROS Versions.  There must be something special about the default route. On 7/19/2018 5:20 PM, Bill Prince wrote: What version(s) of ROS are you using? We have a couple of the routers that are back-rev, and we're wondering if this is a version issue. It's kind of ironic tha

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF not propagating default route...

2018-07-19 Thread Bill Prince
What version(s) of ROS are you using? We have a couple of the routers that are back-rev, and we're wondering if this is a version issue. It's kind of ironic that the only route that does not propagate is the default route. That seems counter to what you would expect. -- bp part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}c

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Tim Hardy
The 820C does 2048 QAM at 80 MHz. I think their initial release didn’t have it but fairly certain it does now. Sent from my iPad > On Jul 19, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > Yeah, but who knows when you'll actually be able to get your hands on those > Bridgewave radios... if you n

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF not propagating default route...

2018-07-19 Thread Nate Burke
Exactly, only the default route is affected.  I see the same thing. All other routes are fine except for the default route. On 7/19/2018 5:02 PM, Bill Prince wrote: It's a mix of Mikrotik routers. Many MIPSBE, CCR, and X86 architectures. It seems to be specific to the OSPF routing table and th

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Mathew Howard
Yeah, but who knows when you'll actually be able to get your hands on those Bridgewave radios... if you need something now, it doesn't really matter if there's going to be better radios coming out "soon". On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > The 820 can’t do 80MHz channels at

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF not propagating default route...

2018-07-19 Thread Bill Prince
It's a mix of Mikrotik routers. Many MIPSBE, CCR, and X86 architectures. It seems to be specific to the OSPF routing table and the default route. If it's not a default route, but a loopback interface, or other ordinary interface, the route will propagate from one end to the other almost immediatel

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-19 Thread chuck
We will have a fridge and microwave within easy reach too. Fridge will be full of hot pockets. From: Dustin Jurman Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 2:14 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets That’s interesting Chuck, I haven’t tried to spice on a toile

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Mitch Koep
Dragonwave from what I can find Mitch On 7/19/2018 9:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: So what current product current release radio has the best throughput in the 11 GHz band? *From:* Adam Moffett *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:04 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] AF11x So I just re

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF not propagating default route...

2018-07-19 Thread Nate Burke
What types of routers?  I've seen this happen on Mikrotik.  Any OSPF change anywhere in the network will fix it.  I have dedicated routers hanging at points on the network running a script that pings an Internet Address, and downs it's OSPF network if it's unreachable.  To address this specific

Re: [AFMUG] OT camper toilets

2018-07-19 Thread Dustin Jurman
That's interesting Chuck, I haven't tried to spice on a toilet before but certainly could improve efficiency. If there is a large fiber count I would consider the padded seat. DSJ From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:28 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF not propagating default route...

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Re: [AFMUG] OSPF not propagating default route...

2018-07-19 Thread Sterling Jacobson
Maybe not quite a similar problem, but I had forgotten to advertise BGP one time on one of the routers when I thought things would magically fail over. From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 11:44 AM To: AFMUG Subject: [AFMUG] OSPF not propagating default route... Ou

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Rory Conaway
The 820 can’t do 80MHz channels at 2048QAM. The Bridgewave Navigator is what I’d be looking at next, way more capabilities and capacity. They are just starting to ship them. Rory From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:45 AM To: Ani

[AFMUG] OSPF not propagating default route...

2018-07-19 Thread Bill Prince
Our backbone is 9 hops from one end to the other. We have 2 ASes and 2 exits at either end. "Most" of the time the traffic is 50/50 right at the midpoint (4 hops one way, and 4 hops the other). However, when we kill BGP at one end or the other, the default routes do not switch over. The two BGP rou

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Jason McKemie
What does an aviat link cost? The alfoplus2 is about $15k a link, the regular alfoplus used to be a solid deal, not as much anymore. On Thursday, July 19, 2018, Mike Hammett wrote: > SIAE I believe will be your best bang and at a reasonable buck. Aviat, > maybe. Bridgewave, still waiting. > > >

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Mike Hammett
They also compare their dual polarity against others single polarity and then claim theirs is better. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Mathew Howard" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Mike Hammett
Yes, the UBNT claims are a bit... bold... and misleading. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 9:04:12 AM Subject: [AFMU

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread chuck
You can combine multiple radios into one dish but the cost of circulators, hybrid combiners and filters would cost more that the extra dishes. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:48 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11x The 1.2Gbps claim is aggreg

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Mathew Howard
Probably something like SIAE that can do 4096qam... and use lots of channels. Bridgewave Navigator looks pretty promising, but I don't think that's shipping yet. On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:43 AM, wrote: > So what current product current release radio has the best throughput in > the 11 GHz band?

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
Something with XPIC 80MHz channels and 4096QAM would probably be your best throughput option for a single radio, I’d think. However, stacking all those features and you start adding $$. > On Jul 19, 2018, at 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > So what current product current release radio has

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Mike Hammett
SIAE I believe will be your best bang and at a reasonable buck. Aviat, maybe. Bridgewave, still waiting. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Th

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Mathew Howard
The 1.2Gbps claim is aggregate... it's somewhat deceptive marketing, that UBNT has been doing for years. It's factually correct, but as far as I know, nobody else markets full duplex radios that way. 22% less than throughput at any giving modulations compared to competing products (with the except

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread chuck
So what current product current release radio has the best throughput in the 11 GHz band? From: Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:04 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AF11x So I just read up about the AF11x. I haven't been paying much attention to this product because I've b

Re: [AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 7/19/18 7:04 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: It seems the only thing it really has going for it is being very inexpensive. I see it pretty much as a My First Microwave. Almost anything else outperforms it, but costs more. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af

[AFMUG] AF11x

2018-07-19 Thread Adam Moffett
So I just read up about the AF11x.  I haven't been paying much attention to this product because I've been busy with other things. The datasheet claims "best spectral efficiency in class" and "1.2gbps". Various people on the forum made claims that don't match up with simple comparisons of spec

Re: [AFMUG] lightwight tablet recomendations for troubleshooting

2018-07-19 Thread Micah Miller
The new Surface Go with the type cover might fit the bill... https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 10:55 PM, Brandon Yuchasz wrote: > So looking for a lightweight tablet with good battery life that I can use > for basic troubleshooting. > > Want something less then 2lbs.