Re: [AFMUG] 450i and the 5.4 band NOT usable in the USA?

2015-12-14 Thread Sriram Chaturvedi
Hi Sam, This is not a bug. 450i is not FCC approved for DFS bands, yet. It has been submitted to the FCC with full test results. We expect approval in early Q1 at which point we will unlock 5.4 band in the software. Thanks, Sriram On Dec 15, 2015, at 5:51 AM, Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmai

[AFMUG] 450i and the 5.4 band NOT usable in the USA?

2015-12-14 Thread Sam Lambie
Every time I attempt to change over to the 5.4 band from 5.7, I get this error, "Region or frequency is not supported in this release - Transmit Disabled!" This is a US radio running 14.1.1 and I just tried 14.1.2 as well. This is a deal breaker if we can't use the 5.4 band. I am hoping it's a bug

Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle tracking with video and g-force measurements

2015-12-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Peruse jems magazine website, it's an ems magazine but that stuff is pretty standard in emergency services now On Dec 14, 2015 9:21 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > I will get model numbers in am > On Dec 14, 2015 7:13 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > >> If you think about it, I’d appreciate it. >> >> >>

Re: [AFMUG] New Compact Logic PLC

2015-12-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
Yescheck out mouser.com On Dec 14, 2015 8:46 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > So that is the base and the relay plugs into it. Are there different relay > condos available? > I have to admit my disappointment to the inline first instead of a din > mount. Tsk tsk. > : ) > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015, 9

Re: [AFMUG] New Compact Logic PLC

2015-12-14 Thread Lewis Bergman
So that is the base and the relay plugs into it. Are there different relay condos available? I have to admit my disappointment to the inline first instead of a din mount. Tsk tsk. : ) On Mon, Dec 14, 2015, 9:15 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Check new Phoenix Contact screwless relays...ferrules push

Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle tracking with video and g-force measurements

2015-12-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
I will get model numbers in am On Dec 14, 2015 7:13 PM, "Rory Conaway" wrote: > If you think about it, I’d appreciate it. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 7:03 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AF

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Rory Conaway
And by the way, I’m a fan of some other stuff that isn’t on the market yet. Gotta plan ahead. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 2:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies Yea, I like to

Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle tracking with video and g-force measurements

2015-12-14 Thread Rory Conaway
If you think about it, I’d appreciate it. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 7:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle tracking with video and g-force measurements Our local taxi company has them but I don't know the

Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle tracking with video and g-force measurements

2015-12-14 Thread Sean Heskett
Our local taxi company has them but I don't know the brand or much more about them. I can ask. They mount by the rear view mirror and take video of inside the car and has a dash cam too. On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway wrote: > Has anyone seen one with all these features? > > > > *R

[AFMUG] Vehicle tracking with video and g-force measurements

2015-12-14 Thread Rory Conaway
Has anyone seen one with all these features? Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO 4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net "Messages can be sent by text or an inside pitch" - Bas

Re: [AFMUG] New Compact Logic PLC

2015-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
You must own stock in a wire duct company. From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 7:05 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] New Compact Logic PLC New stuff Maynard...no cover to hide cablesnew form factor design

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820

2015-12-14 Thread Josh Baird
That would probably depend on the type of optics that you choose to use. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 6:56 PM, Dan Petermann wrote: > Does the all outdoor 820 use single or multimode fiber? >

[AFMUG] PTP820

2015-12-14 Thread Dan Petermann
Does the all outdoor 820 use single or multimode fiber?

Re: [AFMUG] Tranzeo

2015-12-14 Thread Colin Stanners
This is very likely not worth the time investment for WISP use, but for the tiny-budget amateur radio wifi project, we've been taking old Tranzeo ~24dbi 5ghz panels, ripping out their PCB and putting in RB133s from www.ebay.ca/itm/281790621525 with pigtails from www.ebay.ca/itm/181571034072 . It c

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Mathew Howard
I suspect that isn't the true signal level, they probably have an amplifier in the LNB to deal with coax loss. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 5:24 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > 12.2-12.7 AFAIK > On Dec 14, 2015 5:20 PM, "Bill Prince" wrote: > >> Wow. At 23,000 miles? What kind of EIRP are we talking abou

Re: [AFMUG] Tranzeo

2015-12-14 Thread Steve D
I think we took four pickup loads of cpe to recycling this summer. We still have way too much of that crap deployed. Ever year, we replace more and more of it though. -Steve D On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 8:44 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > took over the last tr

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
12.2-12.7 AFAIK On Dec 14, 2015 5:20 PM, "Bill Prince" wrote: > Wow. At 23,000 miles? What kind of EIRP are we talking about? Aren't they > in the 12-15 GHz range? > > bp > > > > On 12/14/2015 3:03 PM, George Skorup wrote: > > I remember the guys telling me they easily get -20's at the LNB with

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Bill Prince
Wow. At 23,000 miles? What kind of EIRP are we talking about? Aren't they in the 12-15 GHz range? bp On 12/14/2015 3:03 PM, George Skorup wrote: I remember the guys telling me they easily get -20's at the LNB with the 1 meter dishes. They will sometimes still have to add attenuators or it wi

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread George Skorup
I remember the guys telling me they easily get -20's at the LNB with the 1 meter dishes. They will sometimes still have to add attenuators or it will overdrive the decoders. On 12/14/2015 2:26 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: That would be -92dbm on a 1 square meter antenna right? Sat TV signals are st

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Stefan Englhardt
It is 70 to 80%. Good batteries are more efficient but degrade on the long run. Pumping water is a very solid long lasting construction. We will soon have the situation that we have to much regenerative energy at daytime and have to waste it. At night we burn dirty coal. Ursprüngliche

Re: [AFMUG] Graph 450 Airtime Utilization

2015-12-14 Thread Josh Luthman
Just use your billing system that tracks usage. Look at the user with the most bytes over the month on that AP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 4:59 PM, Matt wrote: > > Frame Utilization downlink: .1.3.6.1

Re: [AFMUG] Graph 450 Airtime Utilization

2015-12-14 Thread Matt
> Frame Utilization downlink: .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.12.1.1.0 > Frame Utilization uplink: .1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.12.1.2.0 What would be nice is if the AP Tools/Link Status also gave us bytes TX/RX since AP boot or counter reset. This would tell us which connections were heaviest users on the A

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
I considered floating a bunch of solar panels to track the sun. You get about 40% more if you track both elevation and azimuth. The pumping water storage is common around the world. Not sure how you can do it effectively on a smaller scale. Wonder how its efficiency compares to batts. From:

Re: [AFMUG] Snopes

2015-12-14 Thread Larry Smith
True, except they tend to not stay "little" and once they grow (blackholes) they become difficult to deal with... -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net On Mon December 14 2015 15:32, Mathew Howard wrote: > Well, if it puts an end to global warming, I think a little thing like a > black hole is small

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Stefan Englhardt
On big scale you can build quite efficient energy storage: http://wohnen.pege.org/2010/stausee.htm You need place, money to invest and political willingness.  Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: Bill Prince Datum: 14.12.2015 21:41 (GMT+01:00) An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Rory Conaway
Yea, I like to look ahead and be prepared for it which is why I’m not interested in Ubiquiti Solar. My last bet 3 years ago is about to pay off starting this month which I hinted at last article. A bird in the hand doesn’t always apply to technology but once it’s a manufacturing problem instea

Re: [AFMUG] Snopes

2015-12-14 Thread Mathew Howard
Well, if it puts an end to global warming, I think a little thing like a black hole is small price to pay! On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I dunno, get too many solar panels they form a sun energy black hole. > Cancer is the least of your worries. > Sure would counteract g

Re: [AFMUG] Snopes

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
I dunno, get too many solar panels they form a sun energy black hole. Cancer is the least of your worries. Sure would counteract global warming though. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 2:14 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Snopes Not true! In fact, since the solar panels wi

Re: [AFMUG] Snopes

2015-12-14 Thread Mathew Howard
Not true! In fact, since the solar panels will suck up all the excess energy from the sun, they will actually reduce the risk of skin cancer! :P On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:10 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 12/14/15 12:51, Adam Moffett wrote: > >> http://www.snopes.com/north-carolina-town-rejects-s

Re: [AFMUG] Snopes

2015-12-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
Hey, Leave Kentucky out of this. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > I hear dueling banjos in the background... > > -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, December 14, > 2015 1:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Snopes > http://www.snopes.com/north-ca

Re: [AFMUG] Snopes

2015-12-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 12/14/15 12:51, Adam Moffett wrote: http://www.snopes.com/north-carolina-town-rejects-solar-panels/ It was mostly a NIMBY thing. Yes, some kook said the panels would suck up the sun, but that wasn't the prime motivation for not allowing it. You can't tell me solar panels don't cause cance

Re: [AFMUG] Snopes

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
I hear dueling banjos in the background... -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Snopes http://www.snopes.com/north-carolina-town-rejects-solar-panels/ It was mostly a NIMBY thing. Yes, some kook said the p

[AFMUG] Snopes

2015-12-14 Thread Adam Moffett
http://www.snopes.com/north-carolina-town-rejects-solar-panels/ It was mostly a NIMBY thing. Yes, some kook said the panels would suck up the sun, but that wasn't the prime motivation for not allowing it.

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Sean Heskett
I think Rory must own stock in perovskite lol. How else can someone be such a fan boy of a nonexistent product. On Monday, December 14, 2015, Rory Conaway wrote: > Throw in the cost of the money and it goes up a little more. The panels > also aren’t going to be 100% at 20 years so there is a

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Daniel White
The FCC just had an enforcement action against two operators for having an improperly marked rooftop: https://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2015/fcc-hits-two-carriers-with-85000-in-fines-for-rf-exposure-rooftop-violations-in-arizona/ Do the math, and prepare a one page report showing that y

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 12/14/15 12:19, Chuck McCown wrote: Found this: “The solar microwave flux is nominally an/absolute/flux, one solar flux unit defined as [the/very small/amount of] 10 -22^-22 Watt per square meter per Hertz.” So, 10^-22 would be 10^-19 mW times 6 x 10^9 HZ or 6x10-10mW 10 log 6x10^-10 = –92 dB

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maximum permitted leakage from a microwave oven is 1 mW/cm^2, up to 5 mW/cm^2 empty. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 2:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns That would be -92dbm on a 1 square meter antenna right? Sat TV signals are stronger than

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Mathew Howard
That's interesting, but not really too surprising... but even so, unless they're paying you less per kwh than what they charge, it doesn't matter if you aren't using the power when the solar panels are producing it. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > In California, there is no

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
Yes, I said "box". Soft-packs are for greasers. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > haha > took me a few seconds to process that. > > On 12/14/2015 3:39 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> Is 7-11 years how long it takes to cash on out on a box of smokes and a >> slurpee? >> >>

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Mathew Howard
Yes, it's like dog-years, only different. :P On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > Is 7-11 years how long it takes to cash on out on a box of smokes and a > slurpee? > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Mathew Howard > wrote: > > even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonab

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Adam Moffett
haha took me a few seconds to process that. On 12/14/2015 3:39 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: Is 7-11 years how long it takes to cash on out on a box of smokes and a slurpee? On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they shou

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Bill Prince
In California, there is now so much solar generation online, that the peak usage hours have shifted to the 2-3 hours after sunset. The next big thing getting enough storage online to accommodate the shift in the peak hours. Myself, I think the battery problem will be with us for years to come

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 12/14/15 12:02, Chuck McCown wrote: You could make sure that all the kids will receive a tinfoil hat with your name emblazoned on it for extra protection. Hmmm, perhaps you should put the name of your competitor on the hats... You're going to need some crystals, too.

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
Is 7-11 years how long it takes to cash on out on a box of smokes and a slurpee? On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they should have > quite a bit longer life span than that... and you don't need any storage > with a gr

Re: [AFMUG] traffic shaping question

2015-12-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
Core router gives you centralized control and download is shaped at the earliest part of your network, however it scales like crap. Customer-edge router gives you distributed control, upload is shaped at the earliest part of your network, scales much better. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 2:14 PM, Tim R

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Mathew Howard
Unless the power companies work a lot differently there than they do here, with a grid tie system, it doesn't matter if you're only the majority of your power in the evening - in fact, it can work out a lot better. With my brother's grid tie setup, he's on time of day pricing, so they're paying h

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Bill Prince
I think perovskite is much further out than that. I also am not as optimistic about storage breakthroughs. Battery technology is hard, hard, hard. bp On 12/14/2015 12:01 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if Peroksvite hits the market in 3 years, th

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Rory Conaway
Throw in the cost of the money and it goes up a little more. The panels also aren’t going to be 100% at 20 years so there is a reduction of savings. But again, the argument is that if Peroksvite has an ROI of 6 months or it has a higher efficiency level, then there is additional savings. Then

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Adam Moffett
That would be -92dbm on a 1 square meter antenna right? Sat TV signals are stronger than that I thinkI want to say -80's. Does channel width matter in this formula? Seems like there would be more total watts if we're summing 30mhz worth of spectrum. On 12/14/2015 3:19 PM, Chuck McCown w

Re: [AFMUG] Washer defect!

2015-12-14 Thread David
Yeah, I usually make sure I check and recheck but sometimes I will make a filter change or update without even looking at what domains are affected because for some reason or another they ended up on my BAD list so they should be stopped or destroyed. reviewed my syslog and found where the chang

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Found this: “The solar microwave flux is nominally an absolute flux, one solar flux unit defined as [the very small amount of] 10 -22-22 Watt per square meter per Hertz.” So, 10^-22 would be 10^-19 mW times 6 x 10^9 HZ or 6x10-10mW 10 log 6x10^-10 = –92 dBm of solar radiation. Makes sense the

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Sean Heskett
if the product or service isn't available today for purchase then it is vapor until it is on the market...period. it doesn't matter one iota how far along in the process they are, it's still vapor because i can't buy it today. what happens 18 months from now when they can't figure out X and X cau

[AFMUG] traffic shaping question

2015-12-14 Thread Tim Reichhart
I have an traffic shaping question where would I place my traffic shaping at core router or remote router since I am using miktroik routers  

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Seems you could calculate out the general population exposure using the 1 milliwatt per square centimeter number, unless you want to argue that only workers should be up on the roof so it should be the occupational exposure limit. If you assume far field, you could use a calculator like this:

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Rory Conaway
This one isn’t vaporware and with an electric car that doesn’t get charged until evening, the value isn’t as high. Peroksvite is expected to be on the market between 18 and 24 months. They are currently testing manufacturing processes now. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behal

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
The sun is 100 mW per square centimeter. (Light energy, no idea about microwave energy). From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns Right. I was hoping some chart would show me w/m2 from the sun near 6ghz, which I co

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Look at it this way, I invested $10K and some labor. My 2015 savings is $2041. It would have been more but I discovered this weekend that one of my inverters has been offline for a while. Based on my data probably 3 months or so. In any event, I have $2401 more in my pocket to spend each y

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Adam Moffett
Right. I was hoping some chart would show me w/m2 from the sun near 6ghz, which I could compare to exposure numbers published by the backhaul manufacturer. Then I could say (backed by primary sources) that it's 10x (or whatever) worse to stand in the sun than to be near this dish. On 12/1

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
for realz though, you could turn this into a good PR/ marketing opportunity, if you have the time to find some good kid friendly books on radio, wireless technology, sciency but fun type books, you could bring a few of each with you to donate to the library while youre there, the best way to combat

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Sean Heskett
Rory, the "next great thing in solar" has been about to hit the market since 1978 when Jimmy Carter was running around in sweaters. chuck's system is in place making energy and money today. you can't compare vapor-products to real world installed products. That's like saying 5G cell phones are

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
You could make sure that all the kids will receive a tinfoil hat with your name emblazoned on it for extra protection. Hmmm, perhaps you should put the name of your competitor on the hats... -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:54 PM To: af@afmug.com S

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Stronger than the satellite signal. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns What kind of intensity of microwave energy do we receive from the sun? I found several charts in nm, but I couldn't readily find one sho

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Rory Conaway
Even with your ROI Chuck, and mine would be higher, if Peroksvite hits the market in 3 years, the ROI, still makes it a better value. However, the average person is still going to be at 7 years or more. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Monday, Decemb

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
stop making sense Chuckit makes head blow up Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > It more than cut my power bill in half. > > *From:* Rory Conaway > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *S

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Tell them it will be fine as long as it isn't installed while Mercury is in retrograde. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns You'll also never convince the crazy ones. They made up the

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Jay Weekley
Is he concerned about the frequency or just the fact it's wireless? Adam Moffett wrote: What kind of intensity of microwave energy do we receive from the sun? I found several charts in nm, but I couldn't readily find one showing 5-6cm wavelengths. On 12/14/2015 2:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Adam Moffett
What kind of intensity of microwave energy do we receive from the sun? I found several charts in nm, but I couldn't readily find one showing 5-6cm wavelengths. On 12/14/2015 2:39 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: tell them 6ghz has been found to dissipate chemtrails, he will get behind you O

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
I did it myself. No storage. Grid tie. Any WISP can self install solar. Much simpler than installing an AP and backhaul with powering etc. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average installation commercially or th

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
It more than cut my power bill in half. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was announced. It will have an ROI in months. For me, a grid-ti

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
tell them 6ghz has been found to dissipate chemtrails, he will get behind you On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: > You'll also never convince the crazy ones. They made up their mind before > they opened their mouths. > You can only hope to minimize the fear and uncertainty the

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Adam Moffett
You'll also never convince the crazy ones. They made up their mind before they opened their mouths. You can only hope to minimize the fear and uncertainty they can spread. On 12/14/2015 1:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Tell them all that the cell phone in their pocket is exposing them to about 1

Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

2015-12-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Id love to hear it ends up having some magiciam On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Like any other 450 product, it should work great if you have a –65 signal > and 32 dB SNR. > > 256QAM and MIMO in a 7 MHz channel should increase capacity something like > 6X over FSK in a 8 MHz

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
That’s not new, those are pretty standard now. Article is from 2009. They sounds like a washing machine if you are downwind of them. I haven’t noticed any piles of dead birds though. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 1:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend ed

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Craig Baird
Thanks Josh. I'm looking at their checklist in appendix A. It requires you to choose what type of service will be in use, and provides a table of services to choose from. However, it doesn't show either part 15 or part 101. The closest thing that it shows is "subpart L of part 101", whi

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Bill Prince
The new, BIG wind generators are huge, and they turn so slowly that they are not a bird hazard. I'm talking about wind generators that have individual blades that are > 100' long. http://www.cnet.com/news/the-next-big-thing-in-wind-slow-wind-huge-turbines/ bp On 12/14/2015 10:15 AM, Rory

Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

2015-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Like any other 450 product, it should work great if you have a –65 signal and 32 dB SNR. 256QAM and MIMO in a 7 MHz channel should increase capacity something like 6X over FSK in a 8 MHz channel. But that kind of SNR is unrealistic in 900 MHz. If the SNR is only 10 dB, who knows? We’ll see.

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
oh, make sure you twitch alot when you tell them how long you have been in the wireless industry without adverse effects, then try to bite your ear and pee your pants On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:05 PM, can...@believewireless.net < p...@believewireless.net> wrote: > Give your side of the presentatio

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Rory Conaway
It might have been reasonable until Perovskite was announced. It will have an ROI in months. For me, a grid-tie system doesn’t make sense with the additional fees and the difference in wholesale/retail, especially with an electric car that is only home at night. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread can...@believewireless.net
Give your side of the presentation with a tin foil hat on. Maybe even wrap it around your pelvis for extra effect. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 1:49 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Can you PLEASE film his presentation? PUHLEASE PUHLEASE PUHLEASE? > > On Mon, Dec 14, 201

Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

2015-12-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Im curious how this will be successful, is it capable of delivering more capacity if configured down to an fsk channel size than the fsk? On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Configuring M900s and ran scanscans from 792 to 1212Mhz > On Dec 14, 2015 11:23 AM, "Ken Hohhof"

Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

2015-12-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
Configuring M900s and ran scanscans from 792 to 1212Mhz On Dec 14, 2015 11:23 AM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > I downloaded the 14.1.1 User Guide and there is some explanation in > there. I had been trying to use something called 450i 14.0 User Guide. > > *From:* Matt Mangriotis > *Sent:* Monday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Mathew Howard
even at 7-11 years, that isn't that unreasonable, since they should have quite a bit longer life span than that... and you don't need any storage with a grid-tie system. On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average installat

Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

2015-12-14 Thread Sean Heskett
matt do you have a co-location tool spreadsheet for the 5ghz 450 to co-locate with PMP100 & PMP430? Also why is that tool not accessible directly from the downloads page? maybe y'all could make a web page on your support site to do frame calculations with a visual tool. a visual tool like that i

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Can you PLEASE film his presentation? PUHLEASE PUHLEASE PUHLEASE? On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > A Local Government Official’s Guide to Transmitting Antenna RF > Emission Safety: Rules, Procedures, and Practical Guidance > http://wireless.fcc.gov/siting/FCC_LSGAC_RF_Gui

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Rory Conaway
Did you buy it wholesale and build it yourself? The average installation commercially or through any of the solar companies is 7-11 years. Also, what are you doing for storage? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:43 AM To: a

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Tell them all that the cell phone in their pocket is exposing them to about 1 million times more RF than a rooftop installation. Moreover, the 6 GHz system will focus the energy to "pencil beam " that points away from the library. Furthermore, their wifi in that building will expose them to th

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Chuck McCown
I love my solar panels and the payback is about 4 years. From: Rory Conaway Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore (actually I think they look cool) is no

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
Climate change? :) On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:34 PM, Jay Weekley wrote: > I bet those two believe in global warming as well. > > Mathew Howard wrote: >> >> As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing cancer >> type comments all came from two people (who were not council me

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Jaime Solorza
Ha...deplete solar energy nice!!! On Dec 14, 2015 9:13 AM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > To be fair, from reading that article, it sounds like they did have > several other objections to the solar farm, and I suspect it was mostly > just a matter of the residents not wanting it there. But the best

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Jay Weekley
I bet those two believe in global warming as well. Mathew Howard wrote: As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing cancer type comments all came from two people (who were not council members)... who happen to share the same last name. It sounds like the reason they vo

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Farmers have been hiring helicopters for cropdusting lately, too dangerous for fixed wing aircraft inbetween the 400 ft turbines. Solar panels may not kill birds, but other types of solar farms do: http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/188328-californias-new-solar-power-plant-is-actually-a-death-ray

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Daniel White
All you need to do is prepare something that shows what areas are safe for general population using the calculations in the FCC regulations. Then make sure you have a plan to comply with FCC regulations marking the rooftop, etc. Thank you, Daniel White afmu...@gmail.com Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 S

Re: [AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Josh Reynolds
A Local Government Official’s Guide to Transmitting Antenna RF Emission Safety: Rules, Procedures, and Practical Guidance http://wireless.fcc.gov/siting/FCC_LSGAC_RF_Guide.pdf On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Craig Baird wrote: > We have been working with a nearby city to bring Internet service

[AFMUG] RF exposure concerns

2015-12-14 Thread Craig Baird
We have been working with a nearby city to bring Internet service into their area. The city government has been very cooperative because the existing service in the area is exceptionally poor. Our plan is to feed the city with a 6 GHz licensed link to the rooftop of the city library. Fro

Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

2015-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
I downloaded the 14.1.1 User Guide and there is some explanation in there. I had been trying to use something called 450i 14.0 User Guide. From: Matt Mangriotis Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 12:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI I just posted

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Rory Conaway
The two biggest problems with Wind Farms besides the eyesore (actually I think they look cool) is noise and bird deaths. Never been a fan of them though. Right now I’m against taxpayer subsidized solar for three reasons, the ROI is ridiculous, and better/cheaper technologies are right around th

Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

2015-12-14 Thread Matt Mangriotis
I just posted the whitepaper and excel tool in the community forum, and it will be up on the support section of the website later today. http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-450/450i-FSK-900-MHz-Frame-Calculator/m-p/47458#M1654 Sorry for the delay, working too hard on getting these things

Re: [AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

2015-12-14 Thread Sean Heskett
seems pretty self explanatory from the screenshot you sent. if you enable pager reject filter it blocks everything above 920Mhz. so they must have a notch filter in there that you can turn on and off. the airframe legacy mode is for co-locating with FSK900 so that you can time them together. pi

[AFMUG] 900MHz 450i pager reject filter in GUI

2015-12-14 Thread Ken Hohhof
Interesting option in the AP config. Also Frame Alignment Legacy Mode options. I need to look for a user guide update to see if these are explained.

Re: [AFMUG] OT weekend edition: Lies, Lies, Lies

2015-12-14 Thread Mathew Howard
As far as I can see all the crazy sucking the energy up and causing cancer type comments all came from two people (who were not council members)... who happen to share the same last name. It sounds like the reason they voted to reject it was because the residents didn't want it there... which is k

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