Re: [AFMUG] OT Fluke 87

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck McCown
I tell my guys, Harbor Freight for one time use - disposable stuff only. The only issues I have with fluke is that the amp fuses are oddballs. I have three of each in my stock. Not often I blow them, normally it happens if I loan the meter to someone. From: Bill Prince Sent: Sunday,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fluke 87

2016-01-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
But Harbor Freight carries quality brands like Pittsburgh, Chicago Electric, and US General which are obviously Made In America, you can tell from the name. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 10:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Fluke 87 I tell my guys, Harbor

Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth usage tonight

2016-01-17 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
Most customer aps are 2.4 ghz Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone - Reply message - From: "timothy steele" To: Subject: [AFMUG] bandwidth usage tonight Date: Sun, Jan 17, 2016 10:18 PM 5.6.3 upgrade will help a little but upgrading AP to

Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth usage tonight

2016-01-17 Thread timothy steele
5.6.3 upgrade will help a little but upgrading AP to AC base station when 8x and 6x get out of beta is the most cost effective way to get more bandwidth On Sun, Jan 17, 2016, 10:17 PM CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > hah - i've seen a network we run go from roughly 50 - 55

Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth usage tonight

2016-01-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Done...godnat On Jan 17, 2016 7:56 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Damn it Jaime, stop using all the bandwidth!!! > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > On Jan 17, 2016 9:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza"

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck Hogg
My thought about this is, whatever 10G GPON standard that is used, is designed also for passive devices in the field. So we might have to upgrade those PLCs at some point, but they are so cheap, it doesn't matter. Especially since they are stating up to 10G/10G. I've been importing PLC's for

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

2016-01-17 Thread Jason McKemie
You're doing your main runs with 12ct drop cable, no conduit? Or just the customer drops? On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > My thought about this is, whatever 10G GPON standard that is used, is > designed also for passive devices in the field. So we

Re: [AFMUG] 450 and 5.1/5.2Ghz

2016-01-17 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Just wanted to see if the group already knew the answer before I take the subject up with Cambium. It's also useful to have a conversation about the subject here. Cambium does pay attention to this list, even though they would prefer to steer it all to their captive forum. We deployed our

Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?

2016-01-17 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
post your bgp config pls. Also, why are they using next hop self = yes. and based on what you posted on the MT Forum (it is not the config, more of a status ..) would indicate that Their side is complaining about your ASN. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

2016-01-17 Thread Josh Reynolds
E depends on the number of strands. Increasing per ft cost DOES hurt. On Jan 17, 2016 10:59 AM, "Jason McKemie" wrote: > Fiber itself is cheap, most of the cost is getting the fiber in the > ground, on poles, etc. Also, active has a pretty good reach, you

Re: [AFMUG] BGP 32 Bit RouterOS AS Accept?

2016-01-17 Thread Erich Kaiser
32 bit BGP AS works fine between Mikrotik and Brocade MLXe. They have a config issue. Have them send you running-config pertaining to your session. Also post your config. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Sun, Jan 17, 2016

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fluke 87

2016-01-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
I bought mine new at the store, but that was around 1999 I think. Still looks almost news. Batteries seem to last forever. I still have the box, I just checked to make sure it is indeed a Fluke 87. Sometimes I wish I had a Simpson 260 with the mirrored scale. I never owned one myself, but

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

2016-01-17 Thread George Skorup
This project I'm working on, they have over a thousand homes and businesses to connect. I don't think they understand just how much hardware is required, not to mention the power to run 1k ports worth of switches. But nobody listens to me. On 1/17/2016 11:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: We run a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
Why is it every time I see this photo, I hear “I am Groot”? From: Chuck McCown Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood $$$??? From: Peter Kranz Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT

[AFMUG] OT Fluke 87

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck McCown
Just bought three used off of Ebay auctions over the past week or two to give as gifts to my sons. Always bugs the crap out of me when they pull out these free crappy Harbor Freight meters. In any event, I paid a range of $105 to $125 for them.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fluke 87

2016-01-17 Thread Lewis Bergman
If you really want one I have one I just don't have room for in my new shop. Let me know what you would be willing to give. I also have a few other "vintage" pieces of test equipment. Mostly Motorola. On Sun, Jan 17, 2016, 4:49 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I bought mine new at the

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Chile Verde con Carne

2016-01-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Ha On Jan 17, 2016 4:56 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > Right now one of her girlfriends is texting her “you have to cook to get > your husband to work?” > > *From:* Chuck Hogg > *Sent:* Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:42 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Peter Kranz
Hey Chuck, this is a 6/4 slab, sanded down to 5/4. Its 103" long and 44" wide. For 46 bdft. The list price was $1384 but it came with a 40% discount of $553.. So since shipping was free, it was a $831 slab. Since the slab came pre-sanded, final finishing was actually significantly easier and

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Lewis Bergman
Wow four. That's great. Maybe I'll have more time for that now. I am having a base built now that uses two racks and pinion on a single shaft to raise and lower the writing desk top from sitting to standing height. We'll see how that turns out. On Sun, Jan 17, 2016, 6:03 PM Peter Kranz

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fluke 87

2016-01-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
You'd be surprised how cheaply you can buy Fluke and other good gear at pawn shops if you offer cash!!! Especially in Midland Odessa when oil drops in price per barrel. On Jan 17, 2016 4:48 PM, "Lewis Bergman" wrote: > If you really want one I have one I just don't have

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck McCown
I have a pretty large dining room. I need something about 144 inches long or longer. Perhaps 48-56 inches wide. Those prices are in line with what I was expecting. Thanks for the info. From: Peter Kranz Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 4:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Lewis Bergman
As talking about the single slab though. They probably do a lot better job kiln drugging and weighting the lumber than what I am used to. I'll bet that looks great. On Sun, Jan 17, 2016, 6:09 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > I had an Amish guy make my last table. 6’ diameter with a 3’

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck McCown
I had an Amish guy make my last table. 6’ diameter with a 3’ turntable in the middle. Still flat as can be. That was probably 25 years ago. Solid oak. From: Peter Kranz Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood How do you keep

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fluke 87

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck McCown
260s are one of the best meters for chasing copper wire faults. Digital VOMs pick up all kinds of electrical noise and will give false readings when looking for for shorts, leaks, crosses and opens. Sometimes a lower impedance meter is a good thing. I also found an excellent HP48G desk to

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Chile Verde con Carne

2016-01-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Almost forgot.. an onion...and of course water... On Jan 17, 2016 4:25 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Wife just whipped this up as reward for backyard work setting up her > birdhouses. The queso in this dish today is asadero. Meat potatoes beans > Chile California and

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Chile Verde con Carne

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck Hogg
You have to work to get your wife to cook? :) Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > Wife just whipped this up as reward for backyard work setting up her > birdhouses. The queso in this dish today is asadero. Meat potatoes beans >

Re: [AFMUG] OT. Chile Verde con Carne

2016-01-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
Right now one of her girlfriends is texting her “you have to cook to get your husband to work?” From: Chuck Hogg Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 5:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT. Chile Verde con Carne You have to work to get your wife to cook? :) Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jan

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Peter Kranz
How do you keep something that wide from curling? Attaching some kind of cross grain stabalizing board? These slabs are all hardwoods, so I guess they are more resistant to that kind of thing. They also are kilned and rather thick. I’ve not noticed any dimensional changes working with

Re: [AFMUG] OT Fluke 87

2016-01-17 Thread Bill Prince
As I'm sure others have, I was lured by the siren call of a cheap meter (or two or three)... They all broke, and at the worst possible time. Then I bought a Fluke, and it has been my go-to meter ever since. Works better too. There's got to be some parable about buying cheap tools. bp

[AFMUG] bandwidth usage tonight

2016-01-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
Hmmm ... Sunday night, zero degrees outside, kids don't have school tomorrow, and on live TV we have a Democratic presidential debate. We may be setting some records tonight.

Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth usage tonight

2016-01-17 Thread Jaime Solorza
Waiting for Unit One to start at 8...my Sunday evening Danish lesson time. No kids at home so no netflix tonight... On Jan 17, 2016 7:41 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: > Hmmm ... Sunday night, zero degrees outside, kids don't have school > tomorrow, and on live TV we have a Democratic

Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth usage tonight

2016-01-17 Thread Josh Luthman
Damn it Jaime, stop using all the bandwidth!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 17, 2016 9:50 PM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > Waiting for Unit One to start at 8...my Sunday evening Danish lesson > time.

Re: [AFMUG] bandwidth usage tonight

2016-01-17 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller
hah - i've seen a network we run go from roughly 50 - 55 meg of usage to 70 meg and higher. but i've also been upgrading from 5.5.6 to 5.6.3. i expect i'll be posting some questions in ubnt_users tomorrow... would a firmware upgrade allow the access points to squeeze out that much bandwidth?

Re: [AFMUG] How much space in 70 ghz?

2016-01-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke
The Siklus are also like, +9 dBm max Tx power, which you can put into the largest generally available 71-86GHz tuned dish (60cm) which is 52dBi gain. If he wants to operate 80 GHz in Puerto Rico I strongly recommend that he goes with a more expensive Bridgewave or E-Band unit that has +18 or +19

Re: [AFMUG] How much space in 70 ghz?

2016-01-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Any recent E-band radio will be at least QPSK and uses a 1 GHz wide channel. The old first generation Bridgewave, E-band and Gigabeam products were, if I recall right, 5 GHz wide each direction. Newer stuff is capable of operating at 16QAM and/or 64QAM in even smaller channels for real 1 Gpbs

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

2016-01-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke
That's fully retarded... The great thing about doing active-ethernet vs. any form of GPON or EPON is the much larger set of available equipment. Not everything you can use for active-E as necessarily designed or marketed for residential services, and that's a good thing. GPON and EPON equipment

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

2016-01-17 Thread Paul Stewart
So typically for me I would roll a case and see resolution between 3 months up to 1 year with Cisco/Juniper. This directly relates to the complexity of the bug/issue and the time to fix/test/re-test/QA/document/release the updated code. At one point I was averaging a new ticket with Cisco

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Problem with download

2016-01-17 Thread Paul Stewart
I find this discussion with Cisco auto negotiation problems quite interesting (seriously) .. I can only remember a few times ever that I ran into auto-neg problems on Cisco gear and each of those times was with telco specific equipment (DS3 muxes for example). The solution was simply to hard

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

2016-01-17 Thread Kevin Radunz
Yes, I agree. The big reason for looking at GPON in my case is saving fibers out to the country and not needing remote hardware in the middle. If I can use 2 strands to feed a subdivision that is 2 miles away, instead of using 24/48/or 96 strands, I can more than double/triple the fiber

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Lewis Bergman
How do you keep something that wide from curling? Attaching some kind of cross grain stabalizing board? : > > > > > > > >

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review - minor spoiler

2016-01-17 Thread Lewis Bergman
Unless your skin turned black it wasn't frostbite, it was frostnip. I have had it twice and it still hurts like hell but the skin doesn't die off. It does permanently change though. My toes still have a shiney, slick appearance they didn't have before. But I'll give you this, as long as you never

Re: [AFMUG] How much space in 70 ghz?

2016-01-17 Thread Mark Radabaugh
This is from Steve Coran on the WISPA FCC Committee list regarding FCC proposals for high frequency spectrum. Based on the very limited feedback we have had from members on this proposal WISPA in NOT planning on making a filing in this proceeding. If there is WISP interest in this spectrum

Re: [AFMUG] 450 and 5.1/5.2Ghz

2016-01-17 Thread Mark Radabaugh
George, I think you understood the question fine - the issue with having anything other than a 450i SM to be able to use the 5.1 and 2 bands is the problem. The selection of SM’s available to use in 5.1/2 is currently limited to only the much higher priced 450i SM’s. Is Cambium planning

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck Hogg
Guys, I recommend you get it quoted and go through the hassle. I've seen as much as a 45% discount on the MSRP of products when going through all the hoops. It's not like the wireless world, search distys for the cheapest price. These guys truly want to be long term partners with you. It's

Re: [AFMUG] Auditing IPpay

2016-01-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
This is one of the reasons I just don’t accept e-checks. All someone needs is a used or unused check to know the routing and account number, and if you accept it without seeing proof it’s their account, you could basically be complicit to check fraud. To even consider accepting an ACH payment

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review - minor spoiler

2016-01-17 Thread Lewis Bergman
If you had skin fall of that is frostbite. Maybe not a severe case but worse than I had. I could barely walk for about two weeks. On Sun, Jan 17, 2016, 9:08 AM Bill Prince wrote: > I'd never heard of frostnip. They did turn color over the soles, so maybe > it was just the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review - minor spoiler

2016-01-17 Thread Ken Hohhof
You are lucky. I worked with a guy who froze his fingers in the company parking lot trying to get his car started in subzero weather, and lost all feeling in them. Never regained it. From: Bill Prince Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 9:08 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie

Re: [AFMUG] Auditing IPpay

2016-01-17 Thread Mark Radabaugh
Fax - an obsolete technology that just needs to FOAD. For what it’s worth http://www.vitelity.com/services_vfax/ works really well, or if you want to run the platform yourself http://www.faxback.com The customers with check

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck Hogg
Final product pic? Regards, Chuck On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Peter Kranz wrote: > I used this slab to make my standing desk: > > > > [image: 6/4 African Mahogany Slab- AFM 28] >

Re: [AFMUG] Auditing IPpay

2016-01-17 Thread Josh Luthman
We pay like $100 a year for an efax account. Customers get a toll free number to fax to, we get it via email. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 17, 2016 9:30 AM, "Mark Radabaugh" wrote: > Fax - an obsolete

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review - minor spoiler

2016-01-17 Thread Bill Prince
I'd never heard of frostnip. They did turn color over the soles, so maybe it was just the beginning. I remember my feet being really sensitive for a while afterward, and skin did sluff off the bottoms. No toe damage other than the darker color (not black, and I didn't lose any toes). They look

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Bill Prince
Generally, really thick slabs like 2" or more, and it needs to be cured for a couple of years under tightly controlled circumstances. That said, it's often better to do a book-matched set that is made from one to three pieces sliced from the same tree. I think that book-matched is often a

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

2016-01-17 Thread Mike Hammett
It's good to hear that they're a good company, but so annoying that they won't just hand out a number. So many companies are so annoying like that. I sent out 275 requests for transport circuits. I got like 20 back in time, some took over 30 days. I've had some quotes take four to six months to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review - minor spoiler

2016-01-17 Thread Bill Prince
Maybe because I was a young buck or something? Maybe it was getting put in the tepid water after I got home? I don't know. We started working on the snowmobiles around midnight, and rigged them up on boards on top of the slush around 2AM. Got home around 3AM, at which point we were doing the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review - minor spoiler

2016-01-17 Thread Lewis Bergman
I'll bet. I tried to go snow skiing about ten years after my frostnip. When I got back inside my feet ached something fierce. My wife put her warm hands on then and it felt like she was burning them with a blow torch. Bummer. They say whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Actually it just

Re: [AFMUG] 450 and 5.1/5.2Ghz

2016-01-17 Thread Joe Novak
I only have a rumor. When I spoke to a traveling sales guy he seemed to think that Cambium would be selling a licensed 450i SM (like the 450 line, licensed by bandwidth) _sometime_ this year. That is all we got out of him.. I think Q2 to Q3 was roadmap for it. Joe On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 8:39

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review - minor spoiler

2016-01-17 Thread Bill Prince
What amazes me is the change in technology versus what people went through. The experience I'm talking about happened to me in 1968, not quite 50 years ago. At that time, I wore some kind of parka, and cotton long underwear, and cotton jeans. The boots must have been pretty good, but I don't

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

2016-01-17 Thread Jason McKemie
Fiber itself is cheap, most of the cost is getting the fiber in the ground, on poles, etc. Also, active has a pretty good reach, you may not need hardware in the middle depending on your setup. On Sunday, January 17, 2016, Kevin Radunz wrote: > Yes, I agree. > The big

Re: [AFMUG] Auditing IPpay

2016-01-17 Thread Jeremy
I pay like $7.00 a month for eFax through RingCentral. It has an app, converts faxes to .pdf and emails them to you (as well as storing them in the app). You link your email to RC and then you can fax anyone by just emailing 'phone number'@rcfax.com. It converts any attachment to a fax (.txt,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck McCown
Thanks, that is exactly what I am looking for. From: Peter Kranz Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 9:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood I’ve done several projects like this, I’ve found this outfit to be my go-to. They offer free shipping with adequate board-ft

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck McCown
$$$??? From: Peter Kranz Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 10:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood I used this slab to make my standing desk: -PK

Re: [AFMUG] Planet MGSW-28240F

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck McCown
We run a strand to each dwelling once we get into a cluster of homes. Cabinet mounted splitters. Then later we can do active to each home if we want to add electronics at the cabinet locations. -Original Message- From: Kevin Radunz Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:47 AM To:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Large slabs of wood

2016-01-17 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Probably not worth the shipping cost but we have an antique farm reunion every year here, they'll run it through the old mill and cut whatever you want if you can get the tree to them. I have some rough cut 1 1/4 curing in my garage rafters to make some rustic benches out of On Jan 17, 2016 11:31

Re: [AFMUG] How much space in 70 ghz?

2016-01-17 Thread Chuck McCown
>From a practical point of view, I cannot see you interfering or being detected >at these frequencies unless you were on the same rooftop with other systems. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 7:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] How much space in 70 ghz? This is

Re: [AFMUG] 450 and 5.1/5.2Ghz

2016-01-17 Thread George Skorup
Those are all very good questions that Matt would need to answer. On 1/17/2016 8:39 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote: George, I think you understood the question fine - the issue with having anything other than a 450i SM to be able to use the 5.1 and 2 bands is the problem. The selection of SM’s

Re: [AFMUG] How much space in 70 ghz?

2016-01-17 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
I can share with you that @ 60Ghz, approx 2-5ft and or 5-10deg angular separation will allow you to reuse the channel. In addition, the signal tends to self attenuate between 800m-2000m roughly, Chuck is absolutely correct from a practical perspective. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy