Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I'm in agreement with Simon that it's much faster and reliable to host in the cloud than a server on site. It would cost me many more hours, hand holding, and worry if I had to host this server in my network. If I went on vacation and something happened, I'd be stressed. With sonar living in the

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

On 10/17/17 6:14 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Expect repeated harassment until a good reason is presented or you capitulate. It's the SFP of the billing\OSS world. I always welcome my competitors to have external dependencies. When they try to hand wave their problems away as vendor or cloud

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I'm more stubborn than you buddy On Oct 17, 2017 8:14 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Expect repeated harassment until a good reason is presented or you > capitulate. > > It's the SFP of the billing\OSS world. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] parsing PCN notices

Make sure your ensemble and high heels match your purse. . . On Oct 17, 2017 9:58 AM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > if only i held the purse strings > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Josh Reynolds > wrote: > >> Pay for the service. They're the

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Expect repeated harassment until a good reason is presented or you capitulate. It's the SFP of the billing\OSS world. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Simon Westlake"

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

All good, just didn't want you overlooking that initial post. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:09 PM, Simon Westlake wrote: > Never ends up being that simple, but yes, we've made a

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Never ends up being that simple, but yes, we've made a business decision not to. On Oct 17, 2017 6:33 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > If what they have doesn't meet requirements, it's their fault if it's > slow. If they fuck it up themselves, it's billable hours if easy or wipe, >

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

If what they have doesn't meet requirements, it's their fault if it's slow. If they fuck it up themselves, it's billable hours if easy or wipe, reinstall, import last known good DB if not easy. My intent was to say that whatever methods you do to manage your existing infrastructure can just

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

There's no reason it can't technically, but think about what you just said, and then managing that for hundreds of customers that don't have that level of understanding. And then we have to deal with ongoing deployment, updates, etc. Reality is, it ain't gonna happen :) On Oct 17, 2017 6:15 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

A VM on Digital Ocean isn't significantly different than a VM on my infrastructure. Need two VMs? Ten? Have IOPS requirements? IO latency requirements? RAM requirements? There's no reason it can't be a local install, assuming Sonar already has partitions between customers. Whatever you do to

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Sure, if you don't want to be able to provide that level of service. There comes a point where you can't deliver a product of high complexity at a high level of scaling when everything runs on one VM. We're already there with a lot of our customers - we have clusters of dedicated servers doing

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

So don't do that? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Simon Westlake" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 5:55:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Glad someone got it... From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar ..snicker... I hear sonar can keep you up at night! ;) - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17,

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

How many different billing vendors were on display at Wispapalloza? From: Simon Westlake Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar It makes a big difference when it doesn't run on a server, but a cluster of auto-scaling VMs. I would agree that in a

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

..snicker... I hear sonar can keep you up at night! ;) - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar I hear Sonar is easy... From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I have talked to many wisps. Migrating from one billing platform to another seems to always be a time consuming process. I've heard over and over we are four months into thissix months into this. Sometimes the software can force you to do things you should have been doing all along (which

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

It seemed like 75. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 5:56:23 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar How many different

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

It makes a big difference when it doesn't run on a server, but a cluster of auto-scaling VMs. I would agree that in a simple deployment methodology, it becomes fairly irrelevant, but if you are running across something like Azure or AWS, it is far from a one to one mapping to just drop it on

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I will be honest and say it depends. It depends what you're coming from, and it depends how engaged you want to me. Migrating a company from one platform to another is very difficult. 75% of our staff are dedicated to support, training, and onboarding, and I think we're getting better at it

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

One of my first jobs (high school) was doing data conversion for a local software vendor. Paid good money back in 1995 - $10 an hour. I'd work 12 hour shifts with friends - we'd work 24 hour shifts (evenings and weekends). It was massaging a lot of data , removing certain characters, etc. I

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I hear Sonar is easy... From: CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:48 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar ...i really want to comment on thisbut i won't lol i like young flashy software tho!! but sometimes it isn't...matured. yah, i tried to not comment lol

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

...i really want to comment on thisbut i won't lol i like young flashy software tho!! but sometimes it isn't...matured. yah, i tried to not comment lol not saying that about sonar at allor hot wives for that matter. - Original Message - From: James Howard To:

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Back in the day of that mainframe conversion, CSV files and PC based databases and spreadsheets did not exist like they do now. Perhaps visicalc. Maybe foxpro. From: Nathan Anderson Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar So I'm

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

So I'm confused...you're helping to make my point for me? :-) And "you will only be screwed for a very short time" can somehow be reconciled with the statement that "I think it took more than 6 months to actually get it up and going"...how exactly? In my world, 6 months is not "a very short

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I think the point is that if it runs on your server or runs on my server doesn't make much difference from the software management perspective, but it plays a big part of business continuity. I'd imagine most people on a MRC-based billing\OSS platform would migrate to a new one, but doing it

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

And I would be amazed if a major vendor went out of business in this industry and all the competitors didn't scramble to build tools to create a seamless transition. We already have one click tools for most of our competitors to import their data into Sonar, and we're working on the rest. The

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

You can have VMs on your own hardware. ;-) I'd much prefer my billing system on-net, managed by whomever. It doesn't matter if the VM is in Digital Ocean or AWS or my VMWare when they do what they do. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

So we only had ~430 last year? I always thought we were almost double that, but I guess that's counting the vendors, associates, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck Hogg"

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

The value of WISPA goes well beyond the conferences...the conferences fund the purpose of WISPA, which is to continue to advocate for our industry in Washington at both the house/senate congressional and FCC levels. WISPA advocates on your industry's behalf. The conferences and lists are how we

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

The Procera option is huge as well IMO. I'll probably start using Sonar in the first part of next year. Does Sonar have its own CC processing or does it just integrate with others? On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: > My problem and some of the

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

And be willing to port their DB over through different formats each time with the financial consequences.. On 10/17/17 11:48 AM, James Howard wrote: So you’re saying that some people will take their time and choose one and stick with it for life while others will play the field, pick the

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

So you’re saying that some people will take their time and choose one and stick with it for life while others will play the field, pick the hottest youngest available model and then get tired of it and move to something newer and flashier every few years? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Same goes for picking a wife. From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar A great reason to make sure you pick the right billing platform the first time. On Oct 17, 2017, at 17:28, wrote: It

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

My problem and some of the reasons I’m switching to Sonar are: PCI compliance of Platypus, it was somehow always out of compliance the day after I paid techs to put it back in compliance. Running and hosting myself requires constant upkeep of the OS itself which introduced problems now and

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

A great reason to make sure you pick the right billing platform the first time. > On Oct 17, 2017, at 17:28, wrote: > > It never goes smoothly. > > I used to work for banks, talk about a headache when you change out their > software that manages all the

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Yes. Sonar was not on boarding for someone. > On Oct 17, 2017, at 17:28, wrote: > > It never goes smoothly. > > I used to work for banks, talk about a headache when you change out their > software that manages all the customer accounts etc. They migrated

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Then I guess you guys are in agreement on the facts, but disagree on the severity of the problem? -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/17/2017 5:28:13 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar It never goes smoothly. I used to work for banks, talk about a

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

It never goes smoothly. I used to work for banks, talk about a headache when you change out their software that manages all the customer accounts etc. They migrated off an old dinosaur main frame to an AS-400 with all the latest software. I think it took more than 6 months to actually get it

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Didn't this thread start out with somebody complaining that their new vendor either wasn't willing to do this or weren't doing an effective or good job of it? Vendor on-boarding is not always an option, or at least is not something that is guaranteed to work or go smoothly. -- Nathan From:

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Been through this many times in my life. Done it both ways. Several times. Prefer the new vendor to do onboarding for me. You get what you pay for. From: Nathan Anderson Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Not true. It doesn't matter

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Not true. It doesn't matter what the file format of the export is: you still have to take the time to figure out how to shoehorn data from one schema into another. As talked about earlier, maybe you'll get support from your new vendor with that, maybe not. There will be mistakes made during

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Export backups as CSV and you can re-import it into any database. You will only be screwed for a very short time. From: Nathan Anderson Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 2:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar I have to say that I'm partially with Matt on this one. It's

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

We are going on 10 :) > On Oct 17, 2017, at 16:55, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Right, keep that running for 30 years with no support. > >> On Oct 17, 2017 1:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" >> wrote: >> Local install. >> >>> On Oct 17, 2017, at

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Right, keep that running for 30 years with no support. On Oct 17, 2017 1:36 PM, "Matt Hoppes" wrote: > Local install. > > On Oct 17, 2017, at 13:32, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Good luck with that. Any company could close up shop today, and

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I have to say that I'm partially with Matt on this one. It's really not about access to your own data, although that can certainly be a component depending on how things are designed. It sounds like perhaps Sonar has no problem giving you reasonable access to exports of your data for you to

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Do you contract your customers with the WISP? I don't. The contract is a deterrent that keeps some customers away for "no reason". It doesn't make them sticky as they'll find a way out of it if they really want out. If you're a customer of Sonar you're not leaving them without a damn good

Re: [AFMUG] parsing PCN notices

I see 11GHz PCNs out of Ohio occasionally. That happens because IIRC, the coordination radius is 125 miles, but also 250 miles +/- 2.5 (or 5?) degrees on the path azimuth. It seems excessive, and it probably is, but that's the way it has worked for decades. On 10/17/2017 9:21 AM, Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Local install. > On Oct 17, 2017, at 13:32, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > Good luck with that. Any company could close up shop today, and if they are > bankrupt, they are bankrupt. > > On Oct 17, 2017 12:27 PM, "Matt Hoppes" > wrote: > It

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

"it's" On Oct 17, 2017 1:06 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: Yes, awareness is terrible. What do you expect from a bunch of tech guys? marketing? :-p The work in Washington provides more value than the conferences. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Amen! - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Adair Winter" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 12:35:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar This

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

A contract isn't going to stop that. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 12:27:39 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

Yes, awareness is terrible. What do you expect from a bunch of tech guys? marketing? :-p The work in Washington provides more value than the conferences. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message -

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

How? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 12:22:51 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

two things: 1) awareness of the organization and it's purpose is terrible 2) how much value can the organization provide to those who don't or can't go to conferences? On Oct 17, 2017 12:53 PM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Only 588 Principle Members? We've gotta figure out how to

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

Only 588 Principle Members? We've gotta figure out how to get more of those US WISPs to join. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck Hogg" To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Do you back up off site? When was the last time you tested your backup? What if the billing software company went out of business? Etc. My point is, nothing is promised in this world but physics. Words, paper contracts, intent, etc... None of that really matters. Some sort of legally binding

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

That is true, there is no term commitment, I don't believe in them for something like this. If we can't keep you as a customer without a term commitment, I certainly don't want to keep you just because of a financial consequence. Not good for anybody. On 10/17/2017 12:35 PM, Adam Moffett

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Maybe rather than "No contract" I should have said, "no term commitment". -- Original Message -- From: "Simon Westlake" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/17/2017 1:34:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar You can export the entirety of your data at any time (manually or on

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

This is why I prefer my billing server live on my network and I back it up. On Oct 17, 2017 12:32 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > I am sure you have the rights to all your data and they probably give you > custody of periodic backups. > > *From:* Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

You can export the entirety of your data at any time (manually or on an automatic recurring schedule.) Matt has already seen the agreement we have in place, he just likes to keep doing this dance for some inexplicable reason. On 10/17/2017 12:32 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I am sure  you have

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

I am sure you have the rights to all your data and they probably give you custody of periodic backups. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar What would your recourse be if you DID have a contract? They might have a pending

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

This. On Oct 17, 2017 12:30 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: What would your recourse be if you DID have a contract? They might have a pending lawsuit, but you'd still be high and dry. It'll come down to trust. and I imagine they'd produce a contract if you asked for one.

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Good luck with that. Any company could close up shop today, and if they are bankrupt, they are bankrupt. On Oct 17, 2017 12:27 PM, "Matt Hoppes" wrote: It also means at any point they can just close up shop leaving my data and my customer information high and

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

How many attended the last WispAmerica? From: Chuck Hogg Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:23 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef? 1880+ attendees at the show Membership totals for 2017 as of WISPAPALOOZA 150 Vendors 588 Principle Members 6 Associate

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

What would your recourse be if you DID have a contract? They might have a pending lawsuit, but you'd still be high and dry. It'll come down to trust. and I imagine they'd produce a contract if you asked for one. -- Original Message -- From: "Matt Hoppes"

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

There are two places I absolutely want contracts. My fiber Internet provider, and my billing provider, and my tower sites. I lied three. > On Oct 17, 2017, at 13:27, Matt Hoppes > wrote: > > It also means at any point they can just close up shop leaving my

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

It also means at any point they can just close up shop leaving my data and my customer information high and dry with no recourse. > On Oct 17, 2017, at 13:24, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > They provide enough value to avoid locking you in a contract that would > otherwise

Re: [AFMUG] parsing PCN notices

Perform a proper risk analysis. What is the value they provide? What garantees? What is the risk the business undertakes by not having a professional perform the service? On Oct 17, 2017 10:58 AM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > if only i held the purse strings > > On Tue,

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

They provide enough value to avoid locking you in a contract that would otherwise retain your business when they don't continuously earn it. Others are NOT the same. On Oct 17, 2017 12:22 PM, "Matt Hoppes" wrote: > No contract? That's frankly beyond scary.

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

No contract? That's frankly beyond scary. > On Oct 17, 2017, at 13:06, Adam Moffett wrote: > > Sonar is strictly per user with no contract, so if you haven't migrated any > users in yet then you pay the minimum.which I think is $100/month. > > > -- Original

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Sonar is strictly per user with no contract, so if you haven't migrated any users in yet then you pay the minimum.which I think is $100/month. -- Original Message -- From: "Matt Hoppes" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 10/17/2017 9:16:46 AM Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE: How are you running it?

We run the SMs bridged, but we put the LAN0 port of the SM on a tagged VLAN (add WLAN0.50 interface, bridge WLAN0.50 and LAN0 together). On that tagged VLAN, we only allow PPPoE connections. Yes, when a customer resets their router, we have to talk them through PPPoE

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE: How are you running it?

I don’t think leaving the layer2 bridged connection from your CPE to your network open is well advised. I would let the CPE do the PPPoE session and let the client router be a bridge as you have been. There is no point in having more IPs than needed, plus it eliminates the possibly for your

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

1880+ attendees at the show Membership totals for 2017 as of WISPAPALOOZA 150 Vendors 588 Principle Members 6 Associate 10 Advisory Regards, Chuck On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 3:08 PM, Tyson Burris wrote: > I sent a private message about ten days ago letting you know we

Re: [AFMUG] parsing PCN notices

if only i held the purse strings On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > Pay for the service. They're the professionals. > > Your business value does not increase by trying to provide a business > service that you are not an expert in without the proper

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE: How are you running it?

I would do as you're advised. :-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Micah Miller" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2017 10:22:28 AM Subject: [AFMUG]

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE: How are you running it?

Lots of people prefer to let radios do what they do best.. RF, not routing, not PPPoE termination. Leave the CPU cycles of the radio to RF, and let a router (or other device) behind the CPE do (mostly) everything else. On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Micah Miller wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] PPPoE: How are you running it?

I always have preferred running the CPE as a bridge, less issues IMO. Although, with PPPoE you do run the risk of customers resetting their router to default or replacing it and not being able to get online without assistance - so there are trade-offs. On Tuesday, October 17, 2017, Micah Miller

[AFMUG] PPPoE: How are you running it?

Good morning all! Currently we are running it on the CPE, but are considering moving it to the customer router. We were advised to put PPPoE on the CPE and configure the customer router as an AP (disable dhcp, plug it into a lan port instead of the wan/internet,etc). My preference is to bridge

Re: [AFMUG] I heard that....

So it's border patrol radar? On Oct 17, 2017 9:39 AM, "Jaime Solorza" wrote: > This telescoping tower is less than quarter mile from international bridge > and river. The same dome antenna is on high rise bank building downtown > and another on hospital rooftop all

Re: [AFMUG] parsing PCN notices

Pay for the service. They're the professionals. Your business value does not increase by trying to provide a business service that you are not an expert in without the proper time, tools, or data. On Oct 17, 2017 9:21 AM, "Steve Jones" wrote: > Yes, and im hoping the

Re: [AFMUG] parsing PCN notices

Yes, and im hoping the boss renews it. I like the report. But id also like the google earth On Oct 17, 2017 7:14 AM, "Tim Hardy" wrote: > Steve, > > I think Comsearch coordinated your link? If so, the path is automatically > covered by their protection service for one year

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Fail. > On Oct 17, 2017, at 08:54, Lewis Bergman wrote: > > Many of them start charging you regardless if you are on their system yet. > Once you sign the contract, you start paying. > >> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:00 PM Nathan Anderson wrote: >> ​I

Re: [AFMUG] Residential towers, (back on topic)

I payed my way through college climbing towers others wouldn't climb. I only had to work a few times a semester. i always demanded cash before I climbed and brought a college buddy to hold the cash. 35 years ago I got paid $3000 to relamp a tower nobody would climb. Two cross members came off in

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik and Cisco IPSec tunnels

My assumption would be you are correct, the only suggestion I can make is to hire a consultant that has done this and have them go though everything. Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant MikroTik Certified

Re: [AFMUG] Sonar

Many of them start charging you regardless if you are on their system yet. Once you sign the contract, you start paying. On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:00 PM Nathan Anderson wrote: > ​I can understand this if the product in question is purchased/licensed > for a one-time upfront

Re: [AFMUG] parsing PCN notices

Steve, I think Comsearch coordinated your link? If so, the path is automatically covered by their protection service for one year at no charge. Disclaimer - I am no longer affiliated with Comsearch - officially retired on October 13th. Tim On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:11 PM Steve Jones

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

It think you are conflating two products...the PTP 550 which is the In the core product line, and the new ePMP 300 SM which is being sold as a low cost (sub $300) link until the new ePMP 3000 AP comes out mid next year. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik and Cisco IPSec tunnels

Nevermind. We just needed a stronger transform set. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Gawlowski Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 10:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Mikrotik and Cisco IPSec tunnels Anybody have experience with this? We can't seem to establish Phase2