Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

#604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 > > Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com > > > > -- > *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > *Sent:* Thursday

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<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

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> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie < >>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:3

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McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:33 AM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? You cannot, unless you know someone who has support and

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.@race.com / >> http://www.race.com >> >> >> >> -- >> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jason McKemie < >> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:33 AM >> *To:* af@a

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pricing on Calix? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 7, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Sorin Esanu wrote: > > Calix 844E: > + 2.5g & 5 ghz (802.11ac) > + customer side looks pretty intuitive > + TR069 > + can do L2 bridge, both wired and wireless > + support interface for access to advanced

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software on your computer. At least that’s what they tell me. *From:* Brett A Mansfield <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers?

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US 200-250, it depends on how much you are spending with them (it can get lower). But you are getting support (email, phone), firmware updates. On 10/8/2015 3:46 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: pricing on Calix? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 7, 2015, at 2:49 PM, Sorin Esanu wrote:

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etbroadband.com> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:33 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? You cannot, unless you know someone who has support and is willing to share the firmware updates. Calix support is not cheap either. On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Sorin Esanu

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I guess so. We have a lot other stuffs from them and we already had support. I do not know if you can have access to firmware without support. On 10/8/2015 9:22 PM, Jason McKemie wrote: You have to pay Calix support though, just like with all their other gear, correct? On Thursday, October

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You cannot, unless you know someone who has support and is willing to share the firmware updates. Calix support is not cheap either. On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Sorin Esanu wrote: > I guess so. We have a lot other stuffs from them and we already had > support. I do not know

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You have to pay Calix support though, just like with all their other gear, correct? On Thursday, October 8, 2015, Sorin Esanu wrote: > US 200-250, it depends on how much you are spending with them (it can get > lower). But you are getting support (email, phone), firmware updates.

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igured from a web GUI, you need the AirPort software on your computer. At least that’s what they tell me. *From:* Brett A Mansfield <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consum

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ome candy bars. iPads and airPorts do come from the same company, right? From: Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 4:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? Totally true. Apple makes an AirPort tool of sorts for Windows, but it sucks major bronto. What's even wo

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, October 7, 2015 9:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? Yeahreally the only "feature" I want for a router that I would sell or provide to an end user is that you don't have to reboot it all the time. I can't bring myself to get excited about any of the o

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ed from a web GUI, you need the AirPort software on your computer. At least that’s what they tell me. *From:* Brett A Mansfield <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consume

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r. At least that’s what >> they tell me. >> >> >> From: Brett A Mansfield >> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:08 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? >> >> For my customers that want me to sell them or manage

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gt; On 10/7/2015 11:21 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > My guys hate the Apple routers because they can’t be configured from a web > GUI, you need the AirPort software on your computer. At least that’s what > they tell me. > > > *From:* Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinter

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ys hate the Apple routers because they can’t be configured from >>>> a web GUI, you need the AirPort software on your computer. At least >>>> that’s what they tell me. >>>> *From:* Brett A Mansfield <mailto:li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>>> *Sent

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on it and buying a ton of their hardware based on a promise, but I'm keeping a few on hand for specific shots. - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? If a customer insists

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> 5 GHz. > > Some of the routers customers have bought that have been problematic: > Cradlepoint, Securifi, Amped Wireless (at least the range extenders). > > > From: Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 11:30 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subjec

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re based on a promise, > but I'm keeping a few on hand for specific shots. > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:49 PM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? > >

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e, >>> but I'm keeping a few on hand for specific shots. >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: Ken Hohhof >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:49 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer rout

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To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? .. again, no comments about the Cambium cnPilot stuff? Even from WISPs that primarily use Cambium gear? Sounds like a decent feature set; PoE, ATA, centralized management, dual band

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Wilson - MTIN To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? My take on this is you have to look at what supporting a customer router costs you in support and service calls. We have several clients who are doing one of a couple

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Just to be clear, thanks for confirming what I already thought, they all suck... lol - Original Message - From: Glen Waldrop To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:38 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? Thanks for the input guys. I was mostly

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m > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:38 PM > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? > > Thanks for the input guys. > > I was mostly looking at what to recommend. I'd rather help on occasion, > but my responsibility ends at the CAT5 coming out of the POE. > > I've be

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, October 07, 2015 11:30 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? I've had very bad luck with Belkin, D-Link, Asus (the worst), linksys, and low end netgear. I've had great success with the higher end netgear and the 3rd through 5th gen Apple AirPort Extreme. Prior to the 3rd gen

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and handle all their router woes. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 11:39 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? Thanks for the input guys. I was mostly looking at what to recommend. I'd rather help on occasion, but my

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I've had very bad luck with Belkin, D-Link, Asus (the worst), linksys, and low end netgear. I've had great success with the higher end netgear and the 3rd through 5th gen Apple AirPort Extreme. Prior to the 3rd gen and the 6th gen (latest) airports are junk. So I'm with you, pretty much every

[AFMUG] Consumer routers?

Are there any consumer routers that don't suck these days? I used to recommend Linksys/Cisco, but since the Belkin buyout quality seems to be going down. They jink with teh firewall and I can't block specific outgoing traffic, can't remote admin anymore, etc...

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I've had the best experience with Asus (N66U) garbage with dlink and netgear. Good luck as well with the apple routers. On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Brett A Mansfield < li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: > I've had very bad luck with Belkin, D-Link, Asus (the worst), linksys, and > low end

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Calix 844E: + 2.5g & 5 ghz (802.11ac) + customer side looks pretty intuitive + TR069 + can do L2 bridge, both wired and wireless + support interface for access to advanced features - way too big

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AirPort software on your computer. At least that’s what > they tell me. > > > *From:* Brett A Mansfield <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:08 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? > > For my customers that

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> >> *From:* Brett A Mansfield >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:08 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? >> >> For my customers that want me to sell them or manage their solution I >> charge an extra $25 install fe

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g.com>] On > Behalf Of Glen Waldrop > Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 11:39 AM > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? > > Thanks for the input guys. > > I was mostly looking at what to recommend. I'd rather help

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ilto:gwl...@cngwireless.net>> wrote: > Just to be clear, thanks for confirming what I already thought, they all > suck... lol > > - Original Message - > From: Glen Waldrop <mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: Wednes

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woes. > > > > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop > Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2015 11:39 AM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? > > Thanks for the input guys. > > I was mostly looking at what to recomme

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My guys hate the Apple routers because they can’t be configured from a web GUI, you need the AirPort software on your computer. At least that’s what they tell me. From: Brett A Mansfield Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers

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October 07, 2015 1:08 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? > > For my customers that want me to sell them or manage their solution I > charge an extra $25 install fee and $5/mo. I use edgerout

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r make sure they have a wired >> Gigabit Ethernet router that I can manage and I know is capable, then let >> them buy however many wireless routers they need to fill in gaps all over >> their house (or, preferably, ONE powerful wireless router). >> >

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com> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 1:08 PM *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? For my customers that want me to sell them or manage their solution I charge an extra $25 install fee and $5/mo. I use edgerouters as the router and an air

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. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? I've had very bad luck with Belkin, D-Link, Asus (the worst), linksys, and low end netgear. I've had great success

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They put too much crap in the routers that customers just don't understand, like hooking up USB drives for media sharing, wtf, let a router be a router, but I guess in our trans everything society, transhardware was bound to happen too. It explains a lot, many of these consumer routers identify as

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. Paul *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:31 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? I've had very bad luck with Belkin, D-Link, Asus (the worst), linksys, and low end netgear. I've had great success

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Yeahreally the only "feature" I want for a router that I would sell or provide to an end user is that you don't have to reboot it all the time. I can't bring myself to get excited about any of the other stuff that they allegedly do. On 10/7/2015 12:42 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

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.@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Brett A Mansfield > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:31 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Consumer routers? > > > > I've had very bad luck with Belkin, D-Link, Asus (the worst), linksys, and >

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My take on this is you have to look at what supporting a customer router costs you in support and service calls. We have several clients who are doing one of a couple things. Some are selling a managed router service for $X a month. This is typically a Mikrotik the ISP has access to. The