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From: Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON It works...I guess if you are looking to manage it in their platform, that might be difficult, but all you need is a pro

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.race.com/> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Trey Scarborough <t...@3dsc.co> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 12:21:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON So you have confirmed it works with ZTE then I am guessing by this response. Good to know I h

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ie *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 11:56 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON So, other ONTs will work? The beta store is sold out of the Ubiquiti ONTs every time I check. On Friday, March 31, 2017, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:

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hey might > workish... > > *From:* Jason McKemie > *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 11:56 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > > So, other ONTs will work? The beta store is sold out of the Ubiquiti ONTs > every time I check. > >

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I would not expect any random ONT to have full functionality. They might workish... From: Jason McKemie Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 11:56 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON So, other ONTs will work? The beta store is sold out of the Ubiquiti ONTs every time I check

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e that's not the bottom price, but it's not too far out of whack >>> either. >>> >>> Figure-8 is also wicked heavy. The spool weight will surprise you. >>> >>> >>> -- Original Message -- >>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke

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>> >> Figure-8 is also wicked heavy. The spool weight will surprise you. >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Sent: 3/29/2017 1:01:4

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com');>> > To: "af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>" < > af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>> > Sent: 3/29/2017 1:01:44 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > > Yikes, I've bought 72 strand ADSS for

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Some figure 8 has a solid stainless steel wire rather than the cable. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON 1/4" steel cable + drop cable + jacketing 2+2 = 7 I'm sure that's not the bottom price, but it's no

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xinetbroadband.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 3/29/2017 1:01:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Yikes, I've bought 72 strand ADSS for less than that. On Wednesday, March 29, 2017, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: The most recent q

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Cown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> AM> To: af@afmug.com AM> Sent: 3/27/2017 5:33:06 PM AM> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >>Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you had >>16 or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON. &

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The most recent quote I got was $0.83/ft. It's way expensive, but no separate messenger strand. -- Original Message -- From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:54:27 AM Subject: Re:

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.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');>> > To: "af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>" < > af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>> > Sent: 3/29/2017 11:35:14 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMU

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Yeah Figure 8 is the best if you don’t lash. Make sure to put some twists in it between poles otherwise it will dance in the wind and may destroy itself. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:36 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Figure-8 drop. Flat

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af@afmug.com> Sent: 3/29/2017 11:35:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Were you figuring on doing this lashed or just the flat drop cable? I've got a couple scenarios that I was looking at using 12ct flat drop, but the only way I can think of to get it in the air is by using wedge cl

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The old telephone drop wire with P clamps was good for perhaps 300 feet spans max. From: Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 9:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Were you figuring on doing this lashed or just the flat drop cable? I've got a couple

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s. I have >> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this. >> >> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc. >> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS. >> >> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett &g

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is enough to buy a really nice bucket truck. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/27/2017 5:33:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you had 16 or

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The WAN side of an OLT is a L2/L3 switch; the PON side is the G.984 and/or Active E portion of the technology. From: Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small

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OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf. From: Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Put it this way, for each conn

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March 27, 2017 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON I asked the Alphion sales rep about this.  He says the optics are coded, yes.  As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from another he said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested across vendors so whether

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a 165 strand main splitter cable got cut, big emergency. > More splicing cost if you don’t use remotes too. > > pros and cons > > > *From:* Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 4:02 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > > Switch

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McCown Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON I actually do it both ways. Eagle Mountain, Utah is really two towns. The older area in the South has all the optics in the C.O. and splitters out in the residential cross boxes. The Northern half

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in the Southern half. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that. For gpon you just push your 8

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strand main splitter cable got cut, big emergency. More splicing cost if you don’t use remotes too. pros and cons From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Switches take cabinets and power. Splitters do not. On Mar 27, 2017

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cheap switch and SFPs. >>> -or- >>> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Josh Reynolds >>> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Sc

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gt; -or- > You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter. > > > > *From:* Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > > AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery >

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> >> At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs. >> -or- >> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter. >> >> >> >> *From:* Josh Reynolds >> *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [

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. > On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM. > > At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs. > -or- > You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter. > > > > *From:* Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *

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. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery backup. Etc. On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wro

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ad to smaller/cheaper enclosures. > Less junk at the head end too. I haven't gotten that far yet, but I > was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not? > > > > -- Original Message ------ > From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.

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. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to tackle. It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber count.lower

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was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON I would be worried that it will go the way of s

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. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON WellI have to build with what's available today. If I delay to wait for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting. Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti

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sage -- > From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > >> With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait >> >> Jon Langeler >> Michwave Technologies

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having it just work. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies

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iginal Message -- From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. Jared -- Mitch Koep A Better Wireless 218-851-8689 cell

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of chance. > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > From: fiber...@mail.com > > To: af@afmug.com > > Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > > > >> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. > >> > >> Jared > > >

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On 3/27/17 11:52, Jon Langeler wrote: With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait That's the best laugh I've had all month.

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- > From: fiber...@mail.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > >> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. >> >> Jared >

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is going to be a matter of chance. -- Original Message -- From: fiber...@mail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. Jared

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es it comes with the gpon sfps? >>> >>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck Hogg < >>> ch...@shelbybb.com> >>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM >>> To: &quo

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.@shelbybb.com> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM >> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON >> >> Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...

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ug.com');>> > Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM > To: "af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>" < > af@afmug.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > > Was/is on the UBN

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ug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Was/is on the UBNT beta store now... Regards, Chuck Gino Villarini Pre

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> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 > From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON > Interesting, are these open standards? Looks like they're sold out of the O

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There is some vendor interoperability within the GPON market, which ZTE does support based on customer requirements.  From: "fiber...@mail.com" <fiber...@mail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON No, ge

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No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. Jared     Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Interesting, are

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Interesting, are these open standards? Looks like they're sold out of the ONT. On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Chuck Hogg wrote: > Was/is on the UBNT beta store now... > > Regards, > Chuck > > On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com >

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Was/is on the UBNT beta store now... Regards, Chuck On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie < j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > But when is this actually going to be available? > > > On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John wrote: > >> How does it compare

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ZTE's C320 is shipping now along with trials in work. From: Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON But when is this actually going to be av

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Compares quite well, and, the backplane provides scalability for XGS-PON if interested. From: Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT? 8-Por

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But when is this actually going to be available? On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John wrote: > How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT? > > 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal > > 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports > Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON

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How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT? 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port) Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX Supports up to 20 km GPON Links Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports Flexible Layer 2/3 Management

[AFMUG] Small Scale PON

If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our GPON, TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me. Best - Parker ReedDirector of SalesZTE USA