Good to know, thanks.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2016 9:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
No, grade B. I never guy grade A unless I want to waste money.
I choose Poly due to the better
hunting season).
From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:06 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
And these have proven reliable, grade A?
Which is better Poly or Mono?
Any make you would choose over another?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun
And these have proven reliable, grade A?
Which is better Poly or Mono?
Any make you would choose over another?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
I just
rocket surgery.
From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 5:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Please share…
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
S
t; Not rocket surgery.
>
> *From:* SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 04, 2016 5:36 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>
>
> Please share…
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *S
Panels at 50-65 cents per watt.
Inverters at 25 cents per watt.
Mounts at 18 cents per watt.
Not rocket surgery.
From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 5:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Please share…
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
.
-Original Message-
From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 5:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
But that 122Ah rating is at 1amp!!
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 04
h rating is at 1amp!!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:54 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>
> 122*12=1467 wH
>
> 83/1467=$0.056 $/wH
&
Please share…
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Then that sucks. I can do a kit for half that (my costs).
From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, October
But that 122Ah rating is at 1amp!!
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
122*12=1467 wH
83/1467=$0.056 $/wH
5.6 cents per watt hour
: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 11:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Here's the label... 122AH @ 1 Amp...
On 10/03/2016 12:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
120AH for $83?
What model is that?
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf
@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Here's the label... 122AH @ 1 Amp...
On 10/03/2016 12:09 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
120AH for $83?
What model is that?
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016
Then that sucks. I can do a kit for half that (my costs).
From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 10:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Not installed. Price of a kit.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent
Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from
Walmart is $83... For that price diff you can literally throw away
batteries each year...
On 10/01/2016 11:42
Not installed. Price of a kit.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:25 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
That is a really good price for turnkey installed systems.
From: SmarterBroadband
Sent
That is a really good price for turnkey installed systems.
From: SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Has anyone used the UBNT solar setup? Wondering how good that system is.
Complete system for $1.99 per Watt
, October 03, 2016 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Apologies, I didn't mean it has dropped to $0.20/watt, just a theoretical...
Even if and when it does, for the raw cost of assembled panels, there's still a
lot of other costs.
Here is a record low bid
You can find it for 47 cents now and then.
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Apologies, I didn't mean it has dropped to $0.20/watt, just a theoretical...
Even if and when it does, for the raw cost
hnke
> *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2016 12:06 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>
>
>
> PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but
> the problem remains *storage*.
>
> Storing many kWh in a reliable system
Where?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but the
problem remains storage.
Storing many
: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
I'm extremely suspicious of anything that advertises cranking amps, no matter
what kind of lead acid battery it is or how cheap the price is... It's not
designed for cyclic use, so unless you only cycle to 70% or less DOD (depth of
discharge) you will kill
that had a generator and he ran it to do laundry
and pump water.
From: David Kunat
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 3:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
And what do you do at night?
On Oct 3, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Don’t
And what do you do at night?
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 12:52 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> Don’t store it.
>
> From: Eric Kuhnke
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 1:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>
> PV can
If that really is 120 aH and 12 volts, 120*12=1440 wH
$87/1440=.06
6 cents per watt hour. When did batteries get this low?
-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 1:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Sorry now $87
Don’t store it.
From: Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 1:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but the
problem remains storage.
Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear
--Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
I read th
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Sorry now $87...
https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Group-Size-29DC-Marine-Battery/20531543
We have gone to 6V cart batteries for our serious off grid stuff with better
cycling results, but these are what we use for on-grid reserve.
The 6V's we buy
0AH for $83?
>> What model is that?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs
Is that not 65Ah?
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Sorry now $87...
https://www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Group-Size-29DC-Marine-Battery
-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from
Walmart is $83... For that price diff you can literally
120AH for $83?
What model is that?
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 1:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle
PV can drop to $0.20/watt to buy bulk 300W polycrystalline PV panels, but
the problem remains *storage*.
Storing many kWh in a reliable system that won't wear out after N cycles is
the costly part. No matter what you do. Lead acid, aquion batteries, tesla
powerwall type system, whatever.
On
Psh.
Everyone knows the batteries were a sham and the true power source was
mustaches and bowler hats.
Chris Wright
Network Administrator
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 12:24 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
That is what powered the first production electric cars.
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 12:23 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Iron edison is the brand you see quite a bit at solar shows
On Oct 2, 2016 9:45 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.
nday, October 2, 2016 2:25 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>
>
> The "new again" technology which seems most appropriate for solar is
> nickel iron.
>
> See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel%E2%80%93iron_battery
>
> The
I thought it was –14F
Saltwater should freeze at 0 degrees. I think that was the lab standard temp
source when the F scale was invented.
From: Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 7:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
There is a guy on Youtube testing
There used to be a “NiFe” battery company. Had some in central offices years
ago. Pretty robust units.
From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2016 2:25 AM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
The "new again" technology which seems most a
on the environment, but it’s hard to avoid them
>>>> entirely.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe I’m naïve, and when I take used batteries to the battery dealer
>>>> for recycling, they toss them in the dumpster and they are hauled to the
>>>> landfi
to the
>>> landfill. But I would think at least the lead would be worth enough to
>>> recover.
>>>
>>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, October 1, 2016 1:43 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
com> wrote:
> I read up on their site. They do not do a fast charge or discharge. Just
> goes to show ya, it’s always sumthin’.
>
> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 1, 2016 3:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>
&g
It’s raining cats and dogs here (and I stepped in poodle).
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 4:37 PM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
Wow slow Saturday it must be.
On
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
>
> That company that has the salt water batteries said they wanna cut the
> cost on them in half over the next 5 years. Then that's really going to get
> interesting... Read somewhere the lifespan was 20 years o
I read up on their site. They do not do a fast charge or discharge. Just goes
to show ya, it’s always sumthin’.
From: Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 3:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
That company that has the salt water batteries said
atteries to the battery dealer
>> for recycling, they toss them in the dumpster and they are hauled to the
>> landfill. But I would think at least the lead would be worth enough to
>> recover.
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>
to
recover.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
*Sent:* Saturday, October 1, 2016 1:43 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better
from deep discharge. The last time I b
I read that as a 83 AH battery for 1.1K whereas a 120 AH deep cycle from
Walmart is $83... For that price diff you can literally throw away
batteries each year...
On 10/01/2016 11:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better
from deep
My rule of thumb for flooded cells is 15 cents per watt hour. AGM 25-30 cents
per watt hour. (Have not adjusted for inflation for 20 years or so...)
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 12:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
That seems expensive
Screw batteries. Get a propane generator and a tank if you are serious about
backup power.
Or use a NG generator unless you are worried about the NG supply during an
emergency.
From: Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs
I hope they become a commercial reality.
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again
: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better from deep
discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were ~$200 each. so for
somewhere less than half the money you get close to the same AH and they added
bonus of destroying
That seems expensive for the AH. They sound like they recover better from
deep discharge. The last time I bought 75AH batteries they were ~$200 each.
so for somewhere less than half the money you get close to the same AH and
they added bonus of destroying the planet.
On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 12:57
Salt water batteries, I thought you were joking, like what’s next, potato
batteries? But apparently these are quite real?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2016 12:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar costs dropping
I've been seriously looking at solar for off grid, biggest problem was the
batteries but then I found these salt water batteries that seem to be the
solution to all the problems associated with battery systems, they have a
24v version for a 2.2Kwh cell that I was going to wire up to an APC-XL ups
https://electrek.co/2016/09/26/solar-power-cost-down-25-in-five-months-theres-no-reason-why-the-cost-of-solar-will-ever-increase-again/
And wait until Peroksvite starts selling
Thought you might like that Chuck.
Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
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