Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Steve Jones]

They claim nLOS not NLOS. To cambium,  1/16 fresnel impact is nLOS

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 5:52 PM Christopher Gray 
wrote:

> I'm definitely not expecting Cambium to go through a forest in 5 GHz...
> but they specifically claim NLOS capability.
>
> I have several NLOS 5 GHz links going through leaves at very short ranges
> that are relatively stable (all ePMP). I'm just curious about what makes
> them claim their NLOS is better.
>
> I'll look into the subcarries as Stanners suggested.
>
>
>
> --
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:13 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> NLOS "magic" in 5ghz?  Don't hold your breath, man.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
>>> with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
>>> chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
>>> signal NLOS environments?
>>>
>>> The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
>>> magic?
>>>
>>>
>>> In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to
>>> significantly outperform the airFiber-X hardware?
>>>
>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Steve Jones]

Odd your customers never have questions unrelated to your service hoppes.

Anyhow in real life, what alternatives are there to serverplus that are
similar in scope and cost? Funny this thread showed up considering was
coming here to ask the specific question.

OP, if youre looking for some input on certain outsourced callcenter, i
have some offlist advice.


On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 7:21 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> We don’t. We keep the network and customers running well enough there
> really aren’t many support calls in general - let alone at night.
>
> > On Apr 25, 2018, at 19:39, Matt  wrote:
> >
> > How or what do you pay an employee to either answer phone calls or
> > return voicemails after hours or on weekends?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

[Ryan McAfee]

What are you looking for in an HF radio?
I own an FT-2000, FT-950 (digital mode rig), IC-7300

I’ve previously owned the FT-1000Mk5 and FT-920.

Fun to play with when i get a few minutes!
I’ve got to get out and repair my Gap Titan DX antenna. One of the hose clamps 
has broken.

Ryan
N5QZ
> 
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 12:48:40 -0600
>> From: <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build
>> Message-ID: <B56D0284919748759E028B94E9BF31F6@MTC.local>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I wish I had a nice HF rig...
>> 
>> From: Ben Royer 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:13 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build
>> 
>> That?s BAD-A fellow HAM myself N9RYR
>> 
>> Good job and 73
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>> 
>> From: Jon Lee 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 11:46 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build
>> 
>> Hey guys just wanted to share a fun project I finished up yesterday. I 
>> volunteer with ARES RACES in my county here in AZ. Fire season is here and 
>> we are already under a burn ban. My last build was a bit bulky so I wanted 
>> to trim down the size a bit. The main purpose of the build is a crossband 
>> repeater. http://imgur.com/gallery/n67MNYS
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Re: [AFMUG] Alignment tips for AF11Fx

[Mathew Howard]

Nothing at all on the other side, or just weak? If it's not showing
anything at all, it must not actually be linking, in which case it could be
something configured wrong... like maybe a type in the key, or one of the
frequencies is entered wrong.

If all the config matches, the first thing I'd check would be the
duplexor... but it sounds like you're already checking that.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:44 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> so we got a -53dBm  on one end and nothing on the other end?  aligned and
> realignedhaving the other side check duplexor is 4 and 2 on their side
> because its 2 and 4 on my side
> i downloaded the manual...guess I will have to read it... this is a 9.3
> mile linkI have aligned 11GHz up to 23 miles but with voltmeter on 110
> ft tower was easier.
> Help Mr. wizard
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Oh yeah sorry.  Mimosa has that feature and the OP was about the UBNT
>> radio.
>>
>> My bad
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 6:24 PM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:22 PM Mathew Howard 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Umm... No.
 That's the Mimosa B11 that has that feature, as well as the newer
 Ubuntu 5ghz AC radios, but as far as I know, the af11 has nothing of the
 sort.

 On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:09 PM Adair Winter 
 wrote:

>>> They do? That's news to me.
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 6:50 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
 The units have a 2.4ghz Wi-Fi convection for configuring and aiming.
>> You’ll probably want to turn it off when you are done.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 1:08 PM Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> So no voltmeter alignment option on AirFiber 11FX?   That's how I
>>> align Dragonwave, Siklu and Bridgewave. ...going to have to set up WiFi
>>> hotspots at two locations and use tablet on two towers to align
>>> antennasno other equipment there presently
>>>
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 1:37 PM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 We reserved bobcat with 2 ft. scoop and
 arranged for cement trucks to pour concrete in tower base pits week
 before we went to Artesia for last Mobday.  Ended with this and cement
 mixer since no trucks available!!! So instead of two tower base 
 erections
 on Monday, we did second one on Tuesday!!!
 Jaime Solorza

 On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:37 AM Jaime Solorza <
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Blew my hair off along with hard hat.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:31 AM Bill Prince 
> wrote:
>
>> Good for both of you! I've been on towers when the wind gets too
>> high,
>> and it is more dangerous than you tend to think. Everything, and
>> I mean
>> everything, gets more difficult.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>> On 4/22/2018 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> > Ok...I will do that when we go back...winds will be up to 20mph
>> all
>> > week...at 25 they get us off the roof and my Comtrain certified
>> > assistant refused to let me climb
>> >
>> > Jaime Solorza
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Matt Hoppes]

We don’t. We keep the network and customers running well enough there really 
aren’t many support calls in general - let alone at night. 

> On Apr 25, 2018, at 19:39, Matt  wrote:
> 
> How or what do you pay an employee to either answer phone calls or
> return voicemails after hours or on weekends?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

[Jon Lee]

Crystals? I'm trying to figure out where these go?!?!  I have 2 in my
collection.
http://imgur.com/gallery/U7HyraD

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 12:06 PM  wrote:

> Where do you plug in the crystals?
>
> *From:* Adair Winter
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build
>
> FT-991a
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 1:48 PM  wrote:
>
>> I wish I had a nice HF rig...
>>
>> *From:* Ben Royer
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:13 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build
>>
>> That’s BAD-A fellow HAM myself N9RYR
>>
>> Good job and 73
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
>> Royell Communications, Inc.
>> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>>
>> *From:* Jon Lee
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 11:46 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build
>>
>> Hey guys just wanted to share a fun project I finished up yesterday. I
>> volunteer with ARES RACES in my county here in AZ. Fire season is here and
>> we are already under a burn ban. My last build was a bit bulky so I wanted
>> to trim down the size a bit. The main purpose of the build is a crossband
>> repeater. http://imgur.com/gallery/n67MNYS
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Darin Steffl]

We don't.

We pay serverplus $250 per month minimum for "X" amount of calls for 24/7
tech support when our office is closed. It works fine most of the time and
the customer gets to talk to someone. We don't return calls until normal
business hours again. Sometimes I'll text someone if I think it'll be a
quick fix. Otherwise, they're told to expect a callback on the next
business day.

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 1:39 AM, Matt  wrote:

> How or what do you pay an employee to either answer phone calls or
> return voicemails after hours or on weekends?
>



-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] Alignment tips for AF11Fx

[Jon Langeler]

We’ve had issues also. We always tested on the bench after that just to remove 
the doubts...

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Apr 25, 2018, at 7:44 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> so we got a -53dBm  on one end and nothing on the other end?  aligned and 
> realignedhaving the other side check duplexor is 4 and 2 on their side 
> because its 2 and 4 on my side
> i downloaded the manual...guess I will have to read it... this is a 9.3 mile 
> linkI have aligned 11GHz up to 23 miles but with voltmeter on 110 ft 
> tower was easier.
> Help Mr. wizard
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>> Oh yeah sorry.  Mimosa has that feature and the OP was about the UBNT radio.
>> 
>> My bad
>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 6:24 PM Adair Winter  
>>> wrote:
>>> Exactly. 
>>> 
 On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:22 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>> 
 Umm... No.
 That's the Mimosa B11 that has that feature, as well as the newer Ubuntu 
 5ghz AC radios, but as far as I know, the af11 has nothing of the sort. 
 
>>> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:09 PM Adair Winter  
> wrote:
>>> 
> They do? That's news to me. 
> 
>>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 6:50 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> 
>> The units have a 2.4ghz Wi-Fi convection for configuring and aiming.  
>> You’ll probably want to turn it off when you are done.
>> 
>> -Sean
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 1:08 PM Jaime Solorza 
>>>  wrote:
>>> So no voltmeter alignment option on AirFiber 11FX?   That's how I align 
>>> Dragonwave, Siklu and Bridgewave. ...going to have to set up WiFi 
>>> hotspots at two locations and use tablet on two towers to align 
>>> antennasno other equipment there presently
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> 
 On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 1:37 PM Jaime Solorza 
  wrote:
 We reserved bobcat with 2 ft. scoop and 
 arranged for cement trucks to pour concrete in tower base pits week 
 before we went to Artesia for last Mobday.  Ended with this and cement 
 mixer since no trucks available!!! So instead of two tower base 
 erections on Monday, we did second one on Tuesday!!! 
 Jaime Solorza
 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:37 AM Jaime Solorza 
>  wrote:
> Blew my hair off along with hard hat.
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:31 AM Bill Prince  
>> wrote:
>> Good for both of you! I've been on towers when the wind gets too 
>> high, 
>> and it is more dangerous than you tend to think. Everything, and I 
>> mean 
>> everything, gets more difficult.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/22/2018 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> > Ok...I will do that when we go back...winds will be up to 20mph 
>> > all 
>> > week...at 25 they get us off the roof and my Comtrain certified 
>> > assistant refused to let me climb
>> >
>> > Jaime Solorza
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Alignment tips for AF11Fx

[Jaime Solorza]

so we got a -53dBm  on one end and nothing on the other end?  aligned and
realignedhaving the other side check duplexor is 4 and 2 on their side
because its 2 and 4 on my side
i downloaded the manual...guess I will have to read it... this is a 9.3
mile linkI have aligned 11GHz up to 23 miles but with voltmeter on 110
ft tower was easier.
Help Mr. wizard

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 8:55 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Oh yeah sorry.  Mimosa has that feature and the OP was about the UBNT
> radio.
>
> My bad
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 6:24 PM Adair Winter 
> wrote:
>
>> Exactly.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:22 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>>> Umm... No.
>>> That's the Mimosa B11 that has that feature, as well as the newer Ubuntu
>>> 5ghz AC radios, but as far as I know, the af11 has nothing of the sort.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 8:09 PM Adair Winter 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> They do? That's news to me.

 On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 6:50 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

>>> The units have a 2.4ghz Wi-Fi convection for configuring and aiming.
> You’ll probably want to turn it off when you are done.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 1:08 PM Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So no voltmeter alignment option on AirFiber 11FX?   That's how I
>> align Dragonwave, Siklu and Bridgewave. ...going to have to set up WiFi
>> hotspots at two locations and use tablet on two towers to align
>> antennasno other equipment there presently
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 1:37 PM Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We reserved bobcat with 2 ft. scoop and
>>> arranged for cement trucks to pour concrete in tower base pits week
>>> before we went to Artesia for last Mobday.  Ended with this and cement
>>> mixer since no trucks available!!! So instead of two tower base 
>>> erections
>>> on Monday, we did second one on Tuesday!!!
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:37 AM Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Blew my hair off along with hard hat.

 Jaime Solorza

 On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 11:31 AM Bill Prince 
 wrote:

> Good for both of you! I've been on towers when the wind gets too
> high,
> and it is more dangerous than you tend to think. Everything, and I
> mean
> everything, gets more difficult.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/22/2018 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Ok...I will do that when we go back...winds will be up to 20mph
> all
> > week...at 25 they get us off the roof and my Comtrain certified
> > assistant refused to let me climb
> >
> > Jaime Solorza
>

[AFMUG] After Hours Tech Support

[Matt]

How or what do you pay an employee to either answer phone calls or
return voicemails after hours or on weekends?

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Christopher Gray]

I'm definitely not expecting Cambium to go through a forest in 5 GHz... but
they specifically claim NLOS capability.

I have several NLOS 5 GHz links going through leaves at very short ranges
that are relatively stable (all ePMP). I'm just curious about what makes
them claim their NLOS is better.

I'll look into the subcarries as Stanners suggested.



--

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:13 PM, Josh Baird  wrote:

> NLOS "magic" in 5ghz?  Don't hold your breath, man.
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
>> with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
>> chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
>> signal NLOS environments?
>>
>> The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
>> magic?
>>
>>
>> In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to
>> significantly outperform the airFiber-X hardware?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

[Brian Webster]

Nice go kit! Neat and to the point.

 

Chuck there has been a lot of activity around the new Icom IC-7300, SDR, touch 
screen, nice panadapter display without the computer. 

 

https://www.gigaparts.com/icom-ic-7300.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwc6I4K7W2gIVkoeyCh1TqwWxEAAYASAAEgJz0fD_BwE

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 3:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

 

Where do you plug in the crystals?

 

From: Adair Winter 

Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:56 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

 

FT-991a

 

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 1:48 PM  wrote:

I wish I had a nice HF rig...

 

From: Ben Royer 

Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:13 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

 

That’s BAD-A fellow HAM myself N9RYR

 

Good job and 73

 

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

 

From: Jon Lee 

Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 11:46 AM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

 

Hey guys just wanted to share a fun project I finished up yesterday. I 
volunteer with ARES RACES in my county here in AZ. Fire season is here and we 
are already under a burn ban. My last build was a bit bulky so I wanted to trim 
down the size a bit. The main purpose of the build is a crossband repeater. 
http://imgur.com/gallery/n67MNYS

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Ryan Ray]

http://www.advantec.it/wp-content/uploads/cambium/pdf/cambium_networks_PTP550_Advantec.pdf

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> I've definitely done some stupid things with PTP 5ghz. With in a few
> hundred foot I may or may not have a few micro-pops humming along with NLOS
> shots. It's definitely not a predictable layout though, you just have to
> test it.
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> No ptp650 magic sauce like you may be expecting. It performs exactly as
>> ptp3/500 did in regard to that. Like anything you can get "nLOS" but you
>> pay for it with capacity/reliability
>> turning dual payload off gets you "sauce" at the expense of half your
>> capacity,  and IIRC theres another setting regarding throughput vs
>> stability. 5ghz is 5ghz in this context. you can barely penetrate a fart,
>> tree leaves are out of the question
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:16 PM, C Stanners  wrote:
>>
>>> Orthogon-based PTP650/670 have something like 256/512 subcarriers which
>>> helps NLOS. I think AF5X has 1 and AF5XHD has 8 subcarriers?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
>>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>>
 I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
 with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
 chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
 signal NLOS environments?

 The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
 magic?


 In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to
 significantly outperform the airFiber-X hardware?

 Thank you - Chris


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Joe Novak]

I've definitely done some stupid things with PTP 5ghz. With in a few
hundred foot I may or may not have a few micro-pops humming along with NLOS
shots. It's definitely not a predictable layout though, you just have to
test it.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:52 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> No ptp650 magic sauce like you may be expecting. It performs exactly as
> ptp3/500 did in regard to that. Like anything you can get "nLOS" but you
> pay for it with capacity/reliability
> turning dual payload off gets you "sauce" at the expense of half your
> capacity,  and IIRC theres another setting regarding throughput vs
> stability. 5ghz is 5ghz in this context. you can barely penetrate a fart,
> tree leaves are out of the question
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:16 PM, C Stanners  wrote:
>
>> Orthogon-based PTP650/670 have something like 256/512 subcarriers which
>> helps NLOS. I think AF5X has 1 and AF5XHD has 8 subcarriers?
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
>> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
>>> with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
>>> chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
>>> signal NLOS environments?
>>>
>>> The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
>>> magic?
>>>
>>>
>>> In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to
>>> significantly outperform the airFiber-X hardware?
>>>
>>> Thank you - Chris
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Steve Jones]

No ptp650 magic sauce like you may be expecting. It performs exactly as
ptp3/500 did in regard to that. Like anything you can get "nLOS" but you
pay for it with capacity/reliability
turning dual payload off gets you "sauce" at the expense of half your
capacity,  and IIRC theres another setting regarding throughput vs
stability. 5ghz is 5ghz in this context. you can barely penetrate a fart,
tree leaves are out of the question

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:16 PM, C Stanners  wrote:

> Orthogon-based PTP650/670 have something like 256/512 subcarriers which
> helps NLOS. I think AF5X has 1 and AF5XHD has 8 subcarriers?
>
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
> cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
>> with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
>> chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
>> signal NLOS environments?
>>
>> The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
>> magic?
>>
>>
>> In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to
>> significantly outperform the airFiber-X hardware?
>>
>> Thank you - Chris
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[C Stanners]

Orthogon-based PTP650/670 have something like 256/512 subcarriers which
helps NLOS. I think AF5X has 1 and AF5XHD has 8 subcarriers?

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 3:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
> with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
> chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
> signal NLOS environments?
>
> The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
> magic?
>
>
> In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to significantly
> outperform the airFiber-X hardware?
>
> Thank you - Chris
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Josh Baird]

NLOS "magic" in 5ghz?  Don't hold your breath, man.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps
> with NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom
> chipset. Do these radios actually perform better than others in similar
> signal NLOS environments?
>
> The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS
> magic?
>
>
> In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to significantly
> outperform the airFiber-X hardware?
>
> Thank you - Chris
>
>

[AFMUG] PTP650, PTP550, NLOS

[Christopher Gray]

I've been told the PTP650 (and 670) have some sort of magic that helps with
NLOS links. I've always assume this was a result of the custom chipset. Do
these radios actually perform better than others in similar signal NLOS
environments?

The PTP550 is based on a WiFi chipset... does it have any of the NLOS magic?


In NLOS situations, would the PTP650 / PTP550 be expected to significantly
outperform the airFiber-X hardware?

Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

[chuck]

Where do you plug in the crystals?

From: Adair Winter 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

FT-991a

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 1:48 PM  wrote:

  I wish I had a nice HF rig...

  From: Ben Royer 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

  That’s BAD-A fellow HAM myself N9RYR

  Good job and 73

  Thank you,
  Ben Royer, Operations Manager
  Royell Communications, Inc.
  217-965-3699 www.royell.net

  From: Jon Lee 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 11:46 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

  Hey guys just wanted to share a fun project I finished up yesterday. I 
volunteer with ARES RACES in my county here in AZ. Fire season is here and we 
are already under a burn ban. My last build was a bit bulky so I wanted to trim 
down the size a bit. The main purpose of the build is a crossband repeater. 
http://imgur.com/gallery/n67MNYS

Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

[Adair Winter]

FT-991a

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 1:48 PM  wrote:

> I wish I had a nice HF rig...
>
> *From:* Ben Royer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build
>
> That’s BAD-A fellow HAM myself N9RYR
>
> Good job and 73
>
> Thank you,
> Ben Royer, Operations Manager
> Royell Communications, Inc.
> 217-965-3699 www.royell.net
>
> *From:* Jon Lee
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 11:46 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build
>
> Hey guys just wanted to share a fun project I finished up yesterday. I
> volunteer with ARES RACES in my county here in AZ. Fire season is here and
> we are already under a burn ban. My last build was a bit bulky so I wanted
> to trim down the size a bit. The main purpose of the build is a crossband
> repeater. http://imgur.com/gallery/n67MNYS
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

[chuck]

I wish I had a nice HF rig...

From: Ben Royer 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

That’s BAD-A fellow HAM myself N9RYR

Good job and 73

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Jon Lee 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

Hey guys just wanted to share a fun project I finished up yesterday. I 
volunteer with ARES RACES in my county here in AZ. Fire season is here and we 
are already under a burn ban. My last build was a bit bulky so I wanted to trim 
down the size a bit. The main purpose of the build is a crossband repeater. 
http://imgur.com/gallery/n67MNYS

Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

[Ben Royer]

That’s BAD-A fellow HAM myself N9RYR

Good job and 73

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Jon Lee 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 11:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

Hey guys just wanted to share a fun project I finished up yesterday. I 
volunteer with ARES RACES in my county here in AZ. Fire season is here and we 
are already under a burn ban. My last build was a bit bulky so I wanted to trim 
down the size a bit. The main purpose of the build is a crossband repeater. 
http://imgur.com/gallery/n67MNYS

Re: [AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

[Jaime Solorza]

Impressive

Jaime Solorza

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 10:47 AM Jon Lee  wrote:

> Hey guys just wanted to share a fun project I finished up yesterday. I
> volunteer with ARES RACES in my county here in AZ. Fire season is here and
> we are already under a burn ban. My last build was a bit bulky so I wanted
> to trim down the size a bit. The main purpose of the build is a crossband
> repeater. http://imgur.com/gallery/n67MNYS
>

[AFMUG] OT Ham radio GoBox build

[Jon Lee]

Hey guys just wanted to share a fun project I finished up yesterday. I
volunteer with ARES RACES in my county here in AZ. Fire season is here and
we are already under a burn ban. My last build was a bit bulky so I wanted
to trim down the size a bit. The main purpose of the build is a crossband
repeater. http://imgur.com/gallery/n67MNYS

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[Robert]

I would call that long distance shooting  :)

On 4/25/18 8:05 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

Eh...

There are 6400mils in a circle, compared to 360 degrees.

Much more accurate.

Signed, a former artillery/mortar/CAS guy

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 9:55 AM Robert > wrote:


Long distance shooting talk...

On 4/25/18 7:05 AM, castarritt wrote:
 > 5 milliradian would be ~0.3°
 >
 > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM, 
 > >> wrote:
 >
 >     Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or
 >     wider, so just as long as you can get it close enough to
tweak with
 >     signal levels, that is all you need.
 >     If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a
degree
 >     would be needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of
course.
 >     5 mil meaning?
 >     *From:* Josh Reynolds
 >     *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
 >     *To:* af@afmug.com 
 >     *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
 >     Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg
is huge!
 >     On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM > wrote:
 >
 >         $15K
 >         One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last
 >         summer. He ran out of time before we finished it.  We got
down
 >         to about 1 degree azimuth accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it
 >         someday.
 >         *From:* Jaime Solorza
 >         *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
 >         *To:* Animal Farm
 >         *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
 >         I just video last week..how much are they?
 >
 >         Jaime Solorza
 >         On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide
 >         > wrote:
 >
 >             Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these
 >             alignment tools? If so would you recommend this
product over
 >             others brands out there? besides the buying new directly
 >             from the manufacturer is there another good place to
buy one
 >             or find a used one?
 >
 >             Thanks for the help!
 >
 >             Josh
 >
 >

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[Mathew Howard]

That's a good point. If you can get that accurate on the elevation, it
should be easy to find the main lobe.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:53 AM,  wrote:

> Nice thing is that you can get elevation to a tent of a degree or better
> on the cheap.  Accurate azimuth is the hard one.
> So of you had a tenth of a degree on elevation and “close enough” on
> azimuth  you could always find the main lobe.
>
> *From:* Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2018 8:48 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
>
> Yeah, 1 degree would certainly be useful. We recently put up a couple of
> 80ghz links, that have something like a 0.4 degree main lobe... the hard
> part is getting close enough to be sure you're not in a side lobe - once
> you get there, it's easy enough to aim with signal levels, and 1 degree is
> probably good enough for that on almost anything.
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or wider,
>> so just as long as you can get it close enough to tweak with signal levels,
>> that is all you need.
>>
>> If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a degree would
>> be needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of course.
>>
>> 5 mil meaning?
>>
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
>>
>> Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg is huge!
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> $15K
>>>
>>> One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last summer.  He
>>> ran out of time before we finished it.  We got down to about 1 degree
>>> azimuth accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it someday.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
>>>
>>> I just video last week..how much are they?
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these alignment tools?
 If so would you recommend this product over others brands out there?
 besides the buying new directly from the manufacturer is there another good
 place to buy one or find a used one?

 Thanks for the help!

 Josh

>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[castarritt]

I'm usually at 7.1 mils elevation for 1,000 yards.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:55 AM, Robert  wrote:

> Long distance shooting talk...
>
> On 4/25/18 7:05 AM, castarritt wrote:
>
>> 5 milliradian would be ~0.3°
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM, >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or
>> wider, so just as long as you can get it close enough to tweak with
>> signal levels, that is all you need.
>> If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a degree
>> would be needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of course.
>> 5 mil meaning?
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
>> Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg is huge!
>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM  wrote:
>>
>> $15K
>> One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last
>> summer. He ran out of time before we finished it.  We got down
>> to about 1 degree azimuth accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it
>> someday.
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
>> I just video last week..how much are they?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these
>> alignment tools? If so would you recommend this product over
>> others brands out there? besides the buying new directly
>> from the manufacturer is there another good place to buy one
>> or find a used one?
>>
>> Thanks for the help!
>>
>> Josh
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[Josh Reynolds]

Eh...

There are 6400mils in a circle, compared to 360 degrees.

Much more accurate.

Signed, a former artillery/mortar/CAS guy

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018, 9:55 AM Robert  wrote:

> Long distance shooting talk...
>
> On 4/25/18 7:05 AM, castarritt wrote:
> > 5 milliradian would be ~0.3°
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM,  > > wrote:
> >
> > Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or
> > wider, so just as long as you can get it close enough to tweak with
> > signal levels, that is all you need.
> > If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a degree
> > would be needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of course.
> > 5 mil meaning?
> > *From:* Josh Reynolds
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
> > Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg is
> huge!
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM  wrote:
> >
> > $15K
> > One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last
> > summer. He ran out of time before we finished it.  We got down
> > to about 1 degree azimuth accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it
> > someday.
> > *From:* Jaime Solorza
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
> > *To:* Animal Farm
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
> > I just video last week..how much are they?
> >
> > Jaime Solorza
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these
> > alignment tools? If so would you recommend this product over
> > others brands out there? besides the buying new directly
> > from the manufacturer is there another good place to buy one
> > or find a used one?
> >
> > Thanks for the help!
> >
> > Josh
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[Robert]

Long distance shooting talk...

On 4/25/18 7:05 AM, castarritt wrote:

5 milliradian would be ~0.3°

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM, > wrote:


Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or
wider, so just as long as you can get it close enough to tweak with
signal levels, that is all you need.
If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a degree
would be needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of course.
5 mil meaning?
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg is huge!
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM  wrote:

$15K
One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last
summer. He ran out of time before we finished it.  We got down
to about 1 degree azimuth accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it
someday.
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
I just video last week..how much are they?

Jaime Solorza
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide
 wrote:

Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these
alignment tools? If so would you recommend this product over
others brands out there? besides the buying new directly
from the manufacturer is there another good place to buy one
or find a used one?

Thanks for the help!

Josh

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[chuck]

Nice thing is that you can get elevation to a tent of a degree or better on the 
cheap.  Accurate azimuth is the hard one.  
So of you had a tenth of a degree on elevation and “close enough” on azimuth  
you could always find the main lobe.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

Yeah, 1 degree would certainly be useful. We recently put up a couple of 80ghz 
links, that have something like a 0.4 degree main lobe... the hard part is 
getting close enough to be sure you're not in a side lobe - once you get there, 
it's easy enough to aim with signal levels, and 1 degree is probably good 
enough for that on almost anything.


On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM,  wrote:

  Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or wider, so 
just as long as you can get it close enough to tweak with signal levels, that 
is all you need.  

  If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a degree would be 
needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of course.  

  5 mil meaning?

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

  Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg is huge!

  On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM  wrote:

$15K

One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last summer.  He ran 
out of time before we finished it.  We got down to about 1 degree azimuth 
accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it someday.



From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

I just video last week..how much are they? 


Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide  
wrote:

  Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these alignment tools? 
If so would you recommend this product over others brands out there? besides 
the buying new directly from the manufacturer is there another good place to 
buy one or find a used one?


  Thanks for the help!


  Josh 

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[Mathew Howard]

Yeah, 1 degree would certainly be useful. We recently put up a couple of
80ghz links, that have something like a 0.4 degree main lobe... the hard
part is getting close enough to be sure you're not in a side lobe - once
you get there, it's easy enough to aim with signal levels, and 1 degree is
probably good enough for that on almost anything.

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM,  wrote:

> Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or wider, so
> just as long as you can get it close enough to tweak with signal levels,
> that is all you need.
>
> If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a degree would
> be needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of course.
>
> 5 mil meaning?
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
>
> Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg is huge!
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM  wrote:
>
>> $15K
>>
>> One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last summer.  He ran
>> out of time before we finished it.  We got down to about 1 degree azimuth
>> accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it someday.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
>>
>> I just video last week..how much are they?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these alignment tools?
>>> If so would you recommend this product over others brands out there?
>>> besides the buying new directly from the manufacturer is there another good
>>> place to buy one or find a used one?
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help!
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[chuck]

I quit thinking in radians when I left college.  

From: castarritt 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 8:05 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

5 milliradian would be ~0.3°

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM,  wrote:

  Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or wider, so 
just as long as you can get it close enough to tweak with signal levels, that 
is all you need.  

  If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a degree would be 
needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of course.  

  5 mil meaning?

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

  Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg is huge!

  On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM  wrote:

$15K

One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last summer.  He ran 
out of time before we finished it.  We got down to about 1 degree azimuth 
accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it someday.



From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

I just video last week..how much are they? 


Jaime Solorza

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide  
wrote:

  Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these alignment tools? 
If so would you recommend this product over others brands out there? besides 
the buying new directly from the manufacturer is there another good place to 
buy one or find a used one?


  Thanks for the help!


  Josh 

Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15

[castarritt]

5 milliradian would be ~0.3°

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 6:24 PM,  wrote:

> Not huge if you consider most of the main lobes are that wide or wider, so
> just as long as you can get it close enough to tweak with signal levels,
> that is all you need.
>
> If you are thinking of a set it and forget it, a tenth of a degree would
> be needed for that.  Depending on frequency and gain of course.
>
> 5 mil meaning?
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 5:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
>
> Get it down to 5mil accuracy and then we are talking! :) 1deg is huge!
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 12:53 PM  wrote:
>
>> $15K
>>
>> One of my sons worked on doing something similar all last summer.  He ran
>> out of time before we finished it.  We got down to about 1 degree azimuth
>> accuracy.  Maybe we will finish it someday.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2018 11:50 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] SunSight MW15
>>
>> I just video last week..how much are they?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 11:45 AM Joshua Heide 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Wanted to see if anyone had any experience using these alignment tools?
>>> If so would you recommend this product over others brands out there?
>>> besides the buying new directly from the manufacturer is there another good
>>> place to buy one or find a used one?
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help!
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing

[Mark Radabaugh]

Because you haven’t convinced them not to, or it crosses state lines.

Mark

> On Apr 24, 2018, at 11:20 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Then why is my upstream provider charging me USF fee on my broadband only 
> connection?
>  
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:57 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing
>  
> Just 477
>  
> The reclassification didn’t change the USF status of information services, 
> and by the same token it’s repeal didn’t change it’s status.
>  
> USF is based on voice service and some interstate data circuits.   
>  
>  
> Mark Radabaugh
> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
> fcc_ch...@wispa.org 
> 419-261-5996
>  
> On Apr 24, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Sterling Jacobson  > wrote:
>  
> Ok, sorry, so I've been extremely busy this year and missed the fact that the 
> FCC once again re-classified us in January 2018 as a Service Provider instead 
> of a Telecommunications Provider. Therefor exempting us from filing 499A/Q 
> and having to pay into the FUSF fund if we are only providing internet, not 
> VoIP/Telephone services.
> 
> Is that correct?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af > On Behalf Of 
> Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 6:47 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com ' >
> Subject: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing
> 
> So now I'm digging to this more to make sure I'm on the right track.
> 
> ALL broadband/internet ISP providers are now classified Telecommunications 
> providers and must file FCC 499a or 499q and pay USF if not de-minimus?
> 
> Is this where we all stand now?
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing

[Matt Hoppes]

Does your data circuit cross state lines?

Comcast tried to sell me an interstate circuit. I had to nip that on the quote. 

> On Apr 24, 2018, at 23:20, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Then why is my upstream provider charging me USF fee on my broadband only 
> connection?
>  
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:57 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing
>  
> Just 477
>  
> The reclassification didn’t change the USF status of information services, 
> and by the same token it’s repeal didn’t change it’s status.
>  
> USF is based on voice service and some interstate data circuits.   
>  
>  
> Mark Radabaugh
> WISPA FCC Committee Chair
> fcc_ch...@wispa.org
> 419-261-5996
>  
> On Apr 24, 2018, at 9:31 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
>  
> Ok, sorry, so I've been extremely busy this year and missed the fact that the 
> FCC once again re-classified us in January 2018 as a Service Provider instead 
> of a Telecommunications Provider. Therefor exempting us from filing 499A/Q 
> and having to pay into the FUSF fund if we are only providing internet, not 
> VoIP/Telephone services.
> 
> Is that correct?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af  On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 6:47 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] FCC USF and 499 Filing
> 
> So now I'm digging to this more to make sure I'm on the right track.
> 
> ALL broadband/internet ISP providers are now classified Telecommunications 
> providers and must file FCC 499a or 499q and pay USF if not de-minimus?
> 
> Is this where we all stand now?
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