Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

[Jason Wilson]

I also would go the conduit route BUT if you were to go with your
original plan I would use landscape wire
http://www.lowes.com/pd/100-ft-16-Gauge-2-Conductor-Landscape-Lighting-Cable/21006



Jason Wilson
Remotely Located
Providing High Speed Internet to out of the way places.
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On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> I would recommend conduit at least. We have trouble with exposed cat5
> getting chewed on by critters when we lay it through the woods. It'd be a
> bit of labor to pull it through but much more protection. You could do flat
> drop fiber and save enough cost over armored to pay for the conduit.
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> It does need to stay "low voltage" because there is no
>> practical/economical way to get an electrical permit to run 600-700 meters
>> of code-compliant 240VAC through this particular section of forest.
>>
>> Interestingly, looking at $/ft prices for cable I have found that
>> 3-conductor 14 gauge UF-NMC (2 + bare copper ground) is less costly per
>> foot than 18 gauge SJOOW. That sort of helps on the voltage drop problem.
>> It's intended for direct burial but in this case would go through a forest
>> taped to an armored fiber cable. In a few years falling leaves and such
>> will cover it.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>>
>>> I would also run 240V AC out there, not DC. Unless you are needing to
>>> stay "low voltage" for permit/licensing reasons.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Chris Fabien 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I would use 14-2 UF cable, direct buried next to the fiber, or pulled
 into conduit with the fiber if you are doing conduit. That's going to be
 much cheaper than SOOW type rubber jacket cable, or pretty much any other
 options. 1000ft spool costs us about $250, and there are direct bury splice
 kits for it to make a waterproof buried splice.

 On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
 wrote:

> Due to terrain I'm helping somebody design a network link where a PTP
> radio will go on the side of a tree on the opposite side of a mountain 
> from
> where AC power, a router and other network equipment is located.
>
> We're looking at 600 to 700 meters of singlemode fiber and a small
> NEMA4X junction box with the radio on the far side of the hill, containing
> a SC-SC patch cable bulkhead and a meanwell DC-DC converter.
>
> It looks like based on the wattage of the radio and voltage drop
> calculations for 18-2 cable that we can get away with a 56VDC power supply
> at the power source, dropping to not lower than 35VDC at the receiving 
> end,
> which will be fed into a DC-DC converter to bring the output back up to
> 52.5VDC for the radio.
>
> If you had to run 600-700m of 18AWG cable outdoors through a forest,
> how would you do it? SJOOW type cable may not hold up over a long enough
> time. Ideally something that is more armored than SJOOW (it can be much
> less flexible if needed). Cost is somewhat of a factor.
>
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Mathew Howard]

Well, the passively cooled CCR1009 with already take 14-57VDC, so that's a
start.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:58 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Honestly, what I'd rather see is a DC-DC converter built into the CCR
> chassis. DC lugs/terminals in place of the AC input. 20-60VDC input. Input
> polarity agnostic (for +24, +48 or -48 sites). Obviously the output side
> would be regulated +24.
>
> Sure, that can all be done externally, but I can still dream, right?
>
>
> On 7/5/2016 7:49 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
>
> It would also be helpful if it worked with the other CCR models.  Then,
> all we need is a DC power supply option for the CCR1072.
>
> On 07/05/2016 09:11 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> If you have what you removed for me to measure etc, it would help if I was
> to do something custom that fits properly and does what folks need.
>
> *From:* Chris Wright 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:09 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
> cooling?
>
>
> We’ve gutted a few CCR1009’s and done exactly this.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> Velociter Wireless
>
> 209-838-1221 x115
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 3:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
> cooling?
>
>
>
> I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year
> where I have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to
> go at the larger sites.
>
> Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module that
> would replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all my
> sites and extra for new ones.
>
> I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only for a
> few Rack mount series.
>
> All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the few
> we have with generators.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but Mikrotik
> is wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in Africa.
> The line between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had
> terrestrial/wireline infrastructure of any sort to begin with.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of WISPs,
> which is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy
> mikrotik".
>
> On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen" < 
> dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
>
> WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!
>
> [I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ...
>
> How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC connect for
> power
>
> Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
> I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.
>
> The dual power supply version went in at a different place last week.
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke < 
> eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar sites, such
> as
> > a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a few
> sectors...
> >
> > $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
> >
> > 
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
> >
> >
> 
> http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> !DSPAM:2,577bdc3239291778719893!
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i SyncPipe

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Sadly, no.Cambium changed the port on the 450i drastically enough that
a different electronic circuit is needed to drive it hard enough

The only currently shipping product we have which will drive the Aux port
hard enough for the 450i is the syncbox12, and only revision i0 or later of
that product.   There is also a replacement for the syncpipe deluxe
(SyncBox Junior, Deluxe Version) which should be on the website for
ordering within the next 24 hours or so.  But anything else you might have
just won't be compatible due to the changes on the aux port on the 450i.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Matt  wrote:

> There is not a way to plug syncpipe into aux port on 450i and generate
> sync?
>
> Looking at powering a PMP450i off a old CMM that outputs 24 volts POE.
> I can use a Tycon 24 to 48 volt POE converter(TP-POE-2456D) to power
> up the 450i but I have no sync.  Site I have limited space on and no
> time to rebuild at moment.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>  wrote:
> > Syncbox or syncinjector rev I0 or later
> >
> > Earlier syncinjectors might get a reprieve but the electrical interface
> on
> > the 450i aux port is enough different that earlier timing port devices
> won't
> > work.
> >
> > On Jun 20, 2016 12:29 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there a way to make a syncpipe work with 450i yet?
>



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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

[Chris Fabien]

I would recommend conduit at least. We have trouble with exposed cat5
getting chewed on by critters when we lay it through the woods. It'd be a
bit of labor to pull it through but much more protection. You could do flat
drop fiber and save enough cost over armored to pay for the conduit.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> It does need to stay "low voltage" because there is no
> practical/economical way to get an electrical permit to run 600-700 meters
> of code-compliant 240VAC through this particular section of forest.
>
> Interestingly, looking at $/ft prices for cable I have found that
> 3-conductor 14 gauge UF-NMC (2 + bare copper ground) is less costly per
> foot than 18 gauge SJOOW. That sort of helps on the voltage drop problem.
> It's intended for direct burial but in this case would go through a forest
> taped to an armored fiber cable. In a few years falling leaves and such
> will cover it.
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
>> I would also run 240V AC out there, not DC. Unless you are needing to
>> stay "low voltage" for permit/licensing reasons.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>>
>>> I would use 14-2 UF cable, direct buried next to the fiber, or pulled
>>> into conduit with the fiber if you are doing conduit. That's going to be
>>> much cheaper than SOOW type rubber jacket cable, or pretty much any other
>>> options. 1000ft spool costs us about $250, and there are direct bury splice
>>> kits for it to make a waterproof buried splice.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Due to terrain I'm helping somebody design a network link where a PTP
 radio will go on the side of a tree on the opposite side of a mountain from
 where AC power, a router and other network equipment is located.

 We're looking at 600 to 700 meters of singlemode fiber and a small
 NEMA4X junction box with the radio on the far side of the hill, containing
 a SC-SC patch cable bulkhead and a meanwell DC-DC converter.

 It looks like based on the wattage of the radio and voltage drop
 calculations for 18-2 cable that we can get away with a 56VDC power supply
 at the power source, dropping to not lower than 35VDC at the receiving end,
 which will be fed into a DC-DC converter to bring the output back up to
 52.5VDC for the radio.

 If you had to run 600-700m of 18AWG cable outdoors through a forest,
 how would you do it? SJOOW type cable may not hold up over a long enough
 time. Ideally something that is more armored than SJOOW (it can be much
 less flexible if needed). Cost is somewhat of a factor.



>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

[Eric Kuhnke]

It does need to stay "low voltage" because there is no practical/economical
way to get an electrical permit to run 600-700 meters of code-compliant
240VAC through this particular section of forest.

Interestingly, looking at $/ft prices for cable I have found that
3-conductor 14 gauge UF-NMC (2 + bare copper ground) is less costly per
foot than 18 gauge SJOOW. That sort of helps on the voltage drop problem.
It's intended for direct burial but in this case would go through a forest
taped to an armored fiber cable. In a few years falling leaves and such
will cover it.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> I would also run 240V AC out there, not DC. Unless you are needing to stay
> "low voltage" for permit/licensing reasons.
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
>> I would use 14-2 UF cable, direct buried next to the fiber, or pulled
>> into conduit with the fiber if you are doing conduit. That's going to be
>> much cheaper than SOOW type rubber jacket cable, or pretty much any other
>> options. 1000ft spool costs us about $250, and there are direct bury splice
>> kits for it to make a waterproof buried splice.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Due to terrain I'm helping somebody design a network link where a PTP
>>> radio will go on the side of a tree on the opposite side of a mountain from
>>> where AC power, a router and other network equipment is located.
>>>
>>> We're looking at 600 to 700 meters of singlemode fiber and a small
>>> NEMA4X junction box with the radio on the far side of the hill, containing
>>> a SC-SC patch cable bulkhead and a meanwell DC-DC converter.
>>>
>>> It looks like based on the wattage of the radio and voltage drop
>>> calculations for 18-2 cable that we can get away with a 56VDC power supply
>>> at the power source, dropping to not lower than 35VDC at the receiving end,
>>> which will be fed into a DC-DC converter to bring the output back up to
>>> 52.5VDC for the radio.
>>>
>>> If you had to run 600-700m of 18AWG cable outdoors through a forest, how
>>> would you do it? SJOOW type cable may not hold up over a long enough time.
>>> Ideally something that is more armored than SJOOW (it can be much less
>>> flexible if needed). Cost is somewhat of a factor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[George Skorup]

Honestly, what I'd rather see is a DC-DC converter built into the CCR 
chassis. DC lugs/terminals in place of the AC input. 20-60VDC input. 
Input polarity agnostic (for +24, +48 or -48 sites). Obviously the 
output side would be regulated +24.


Sure, that can all be done externally, but I can still dream, right?

On 7/5/2016 7:49 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
It would also be helpful if it worked with the other CCR models. Then, 
all we need is a DC power supply option for the CCR1072.


On 07/05/2016 09:11 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If you have what you removed for me to measure etc, it would help if 
I was to do something custom that fits properly and does what folks 
need.

*From:* Chris Wright 
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive 
cooling?


We’ve gutted a few CCR1009’s and done exactly this.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
*Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive 
cooling?


I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each 
year where I have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik 
switches to go at the larger sites.


Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module 
that would replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough 
for all my sites and extra for new ones.


I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only 
for a few Rack mount series.


All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes 
the few we have with generators.


On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but
Mikrotik is wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing
nations in Africa. The line between WISP and ISP is blurry when a
place never had terrestrial/wireline infrastructure of any sort
to begin with.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of
WISPs, which is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of
"people who deploy mikrotik".

On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen" 
wrote:

WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!

[I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ...

How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC
connect for power

Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.

On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net
 wrote:

You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.

The dual power supply version went in at a different place
last week.


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke
 wrote:
> I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid
solar sites, such as
> a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a
few sectors...
>
> $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
>
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>
>
http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
>
>

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!DSPAM:2,577bdc3239291778719893! 

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Bruce Robertson]

It would also be helpful if it worked with the other CCR models. Then, 
all we need is a DC power supply option for the CCR1072.


On 07/05/2016 09:11 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
If you have what you removed for me to measure etc, it would help if I 
was to do something custom that fits properly and does what folks need.

*From:* Chris Wright 
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive 
cooling?


We’ve gutted a few CCR1009’s and done exactly this.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *David Milholen
*Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 3:04 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive 
cooling?


I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year 
where I have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik 
switches to go at the larger sites.


Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module 
that would replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough 
for all my sites and extra for new ones.


I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only 
for a few Rack mount series.


All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the 
few we have with generators.


On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but
Mikrotik is wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing
nations in Africa. The line between WISP and ISP is blurry when a
place never had terrestrial/wireline infrastructure of any sort to
begin with.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of
WISPs, which is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of
"people who deploy mikrotik".

On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen" > wrote:

WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!

[I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ...

How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC
connect for power

Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.

On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net
 wrote:

You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds
> wrote:

I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.

The dual power supply version went in at a different place
last week.


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke
> wrote:
> I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar
sites, such as
> a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a
few sectors...
>
> $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
>
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>
>
http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
>
>

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!DSPAM:2,577bdc3239291778719893! 

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

[Chris Fabien]

I would also run 240V AC out there, not DC. Unless you are needing to stay
"low voltage" for permit/licensing reasons.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> I would use 14-2 UF cable, direct buried next to the fiber, or pulled into
> conduit with the fiber if you are doing conduit. That's going to be much
> cheaper than SOOW type rubber jacket cable, or pretty much any other
> options. 1000ft spool costs us about $250, and there are direct bury splice
> kits for it to make a waterproof buried splice.
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> Due to terrain I'm helping somebody design a network link where a PTP
>> radio will go on the side of a tree on the opposite side of a mountain from
>> where AC power, a router and other network equipment is located.
>>
>> We're looking at 600 to 700 meters of singlemode fiber and a small NEMA4X
>> junction box with the radio on the far side of the hill, containing a SC-SC
>> patch cable bulkhead and a meanwell DC-DC converter.
>>
>> It looks like based on the wattage of the radio and voltage drop
>> calculations for 18-2 cable that we can get away with a 56VDC power supply
>> at the power source, dropping to not lower than 35VDC at the receiving end,
>> which will be fed into a DC-DC converter to bring the output back up to
>> 52.5VDC for the radio.
>>
>> If you had to run 600-700m of 18AWG cable outdoors through a forest, how
>> would you do it? SJOOW type cable may not hold up over a long enough time.
>> Ideally something that is more armored than SJOOW (it can be much less
>> flexible if needed). Cost is somewhat of a factor.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

[Chris Fabien]

I would use 14-2 UF cable, direct buried next to the fiber, or pulled into
conduit with the fiber if you are doing conduit. That's going to be much
cheaper than SOOW type rubber jacket cable, or pretty much any other
options. 1000ft spool costs us about $250, and there are direct bury splice
kits for it to make a waterproof buried splice.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Due to terrain I'm helping somebody design a network link where a PTP
> radio will go on the side of a tree on the opposite side of a mountain from
> where AC power, a router and other network equipment is located.
>
> We're looking at 600 to 700 meters of singlemode fiber and a small NEMA4X
> junction box with the radio on the far side of the hill, containing a SC-SC
> patch cable bulkhead and a meanwell DC-DC converter.
>
> It looks like based on the wattage of the radio and voltage drop
> calculations for 18-2 cable that we can get away with a 56VDC power supply
> at the power source, dropping to not lower than 35VDC at the receiving end,
> which will be fed into a DC-DC converter to bring the output back up to
> 52.5VDC for the radio.
>
> If you had to run 600-700m of 18AWG cable outdoors through a forest, how
> would you do it? SJOOW type cable may not hold up over a long enough time.
> Ideally something that is more armored than SJOOW (it can be much less
> flexible if needed). Cost is somewhat of a factor.
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

[Eric Kuhnke]

Due to terrain I'm helping somebody design a network link where a PTP radio
will go on the side of a tree on the opposite side of a mountain from where
AC power, a router and other network equipment is located.

We're looking at 600 to 700 meters of singlemode fiber and a small NEMA4X
junction box with the radio on the far side of the hill, containing a SC-SC
patch cable bulkhead and a meanwell DC-DC converter.

It looks like based on the wattage of the radio and voltage drop
calculations for 18-2 cable that we can get away with a 56VDC power supply
at the power source, dropping to not lower than 35VDC at the receiving end,
which will be fed into a DC-DC converter to bring the output back up to
52.5VDC for the radio.

If you had to run 600-700m of 18AWG cable outdoors through a forest, how
would you do it? SJOOW type cable may not hold up over a long enough time.
Ideally something that is more armored than SJOOW (it can be much less
flexible if needed). Cost is somewhat of a factor.

Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

[Eric Kuhnke]

I've found that 65G is the largest/strongest tower you can buy online with
a credit card, piece by piece...  Everything else requires developing a
custom spec for a vendor and sending an RFQ.



On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 2:20 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> those are pretty decent prices with suprisingly small shipping
>
> On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> How about Rohn 45G, 55G or 65G pieces from www.3starinc.com ?  They also
>> sell the full Rohn kits that come with everything. If you want something
>> stronger/shorter than a normal design (like a 90' 65G with heavier than
>> usual guying, for big dishes) you can easily see the individual component
>> pieces and put together an Excel sheet for your total cost.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Robert Haas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Coincidentally, I was going to ask a similar question.
>>>
>>> I’m looking for suggestions for a 60’-80’ tower (preferred guyed) that
>>> will hold a 4’ dish. The STG looks like it may work well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:24 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hutton, Rohn, Talley. So many options. Direct Rohn rep is
>>> bobby.tann...@rohnnet.com.
>>>
>>> Kind of depends on the loading. For a little heavier load I really like
>>> the Trylon STG. Solid rod, goes together smooth. Self support for limited
>>> load to something like 70'.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:09 PM Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
>>> Inc  wrote:
>>>
>>> Where you geeks buying these from these days?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>>
>>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *What can ICI do for you?*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones -
>>> IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>>>
>>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
>>> *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
>>> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
>>> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
>>> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
>>> *prohibited.*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

those are pretty decent prices with suprisingly small shipping

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 5:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> How about Rohn 45G, 55G or 65G pieces from www.3starinc.com ?  They also
> sell the full Rohn kits that come with everything. If you want something
> stronger/shorter than a normal design (like a 90' 65G with heavier than
> usual guying, for big dishes) you can easily see the individual component
> pieces and put together an Excel sheet for your total cost.
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Robert Haas 
> wrote:
>
>> Coincidentally, I was going to ask a similar question.
>>
>> I’m looking for suggestions for a 60’-80’ tower (preferred guyed) that
>> will hold a 4’ dish. The STG looks like it may work well.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:24 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less
>>
>>
>>
>> Hutton, Rohn, Talley. So many options. Direct Rohn rep is
>> bobby.tann...@rohnnet.com.
>>
>> Kind of depends on the loading. For a little heavier load I really like
>> the Trylon STG. Solid rod, goes together smooth. Self support for limited
>> load to something like 70'.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:09 PM Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications
>> Inc  wrote:
>>
>> Where you geeks buying these from these days?
>>
>>
>>
>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>> *Internet Communications Inc.*
>> *739 Commerce Dr.*
>> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>>
>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>>
>>
>>
>> *What can ICI do for you?*
>>
>>
>> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones -
>> IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>>
>> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
>> *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
>> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
>> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
>> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
>> *prohibited.*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Eric Kuhnke]

First figure out how many kWh all that consumes in 31 days...  Then
calculate what pvwatts says an off grid solar system of N size (example:
3kW) can produce in December and January.


On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 7:42 AM, Tim Reichhart <
timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:

> Hey Guys
> I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4
> rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
> this site have no option for power from power company and this location in
> northwest ohio.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

[Eric Kuhnke]

If you want something stronger than a 65G and easily pieced together, see
if you can get Valmont PiRod pricing for their 36" face width tower
sections. The price is reasonable for what it is (much less than building
two 65G near each other).

I had one specced out a few years ago for 120' on top of a 450 meter
hill/mountain, with the right guying its wind loading capability was
immense. I believe the 36" width PiRod can go up to 750' or something when
used as a broadcast tower.



On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:02 AM, Robert Haas 
wrote:

> Thanks, that’s kinda what I was thinking about – a Rohn 65G with beefed up
> guys just to be on the safe side. We don’t get much ice normally, but we’ve
> have had 4”+ a number of years back.
>
> A number of towers in the area collapsed during that storm.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 5:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less
>
>
>
> How about Rohn 45G, 55G or 65G pieces from www.3starinc.com ?  They also
> sell the full Rohn kits that come with everything. If you want something
> stronger/shorter than a normal design (like a 90' 65G with heavier than
> usual guying, for big dishes) you can easily see the individual component
> pieces and put together an Excel sheet for your total cost.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Robert Haas 
> wrote:
>
> Coincidentally, I was going to ask a similar question.
>
> I’m looking for suggestions for a 60’-80’ tower (preferred guyed) that
> will hold a 4’ dish. The STG looks like it may work well.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com; memb...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less
>
>
>
> Hutton, Rohn, Talley. So many options. Direct Rohn rep is
> bobby.tann...@rohnnet.com.
>
> Kind of depends on the loading. For a little heavier load I really like
> the Trylon STG. Solid rod, goes together smooth. Self support for limited
> load to something like 70'.
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:09 PM Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc
>  wrote:
>
> Where you geeks buying these from these days?
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.*
> *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>
>
>
> *What can ICI do for you?*
>
>
> *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP
> Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.*
>
> *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the*
> *addressee shown. It contains information that is*
> *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,*
> *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by*
> *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly*
> *prohibited.*
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LTE Bonding

[Eric Kuhnke]

Cradlepoint router?

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Keefe John  wrote:

> What's a good way to bond a bunch of LTE connections together? I'd like to
> get a bunch of sims from Ting and bong them and provide layer2 over the top
> (EOIP) back to my datacenter.
>
> Keefe
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

[Chuck McCown]

This is where it originally came from:
http://k7nv.com/notebook/topics/windload.html

EIA-222-C

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

A2 refers to cell A2.  I see where I introduced the confusion.

A Squared  times .004 = PSF where A is MPH.  
Sorry

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

Couldn't you just do A^4?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yes, A squared.  Just my lazy way of doing that in Excel.
  C is just another output.  1.8*B

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

  Where does C go?  And are the A's both squared?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

B=0.004*A2*A2

A =  (entered) Wind Speed MPH
B = (calculated) Pounds of load per square foot (PSF)
C = (calculated) 1.8*B2  (Pounds of side force)


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

It didn't


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  If this attachment survives the posting process, I think I used the 
EIA-222 (something, probably C) formula.  

Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

[Chuck McCown]

A2 refers to cell A2.  I see where I introduced the confusion.

A Squared  times .004 = PSF where A is MPH.  
Sorry

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

Couldn't you just do A^4?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yes, A squared.  Just my lazy way of doing that in Excel.
  C is just another output.  1.8*B

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

  Where does C go?  And are the A's both squared?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

B=0.004*A2*A2

A =  (entered) Wind Speed MPH
B = (calculated) Pounds of load per square foot (PSF)
C = (calculated) 1.8*B2  (Pounds of side force)


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

It didn't


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  If this attachment survives the posting process, I think I used the 
EIA-222 (something, probably C) formula.  

Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

[Chuck McCown]

A^2 you mean?
It was a cut and paste job from Excel.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

Couldn't you just do A^4?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Yes, A squared.  Just my lazy way of doing that in Excel.
  C is just another output.  1.8*B

  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:14 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

  Where does C go?  And are the A's both squared?


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

B=0.004*A2*A2

A =  (entered) Wind Speed MPH
B = (calculated) Pounds of load per square foot (PSF)
C = (calculated) 1.8*B2  (Pounds of side force)


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

It didn't


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  If this attachment survives the posting process, I think I used the 
EIA-222 (something, probably C) formula.  

Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

[Josh Luthman]

Couldn't you just do A^4?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:18 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Yes, A squared.  Just my lazy way of doing that in Excel.
> C is just another output.  1.8*B
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading
>
> Where does C go?  And are the A's both squared?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> B=0.004*A2*A2
>>
>> A =  (entered) Wind Speed MPH
>> B = (calculated) Pounds of load per square foot (PSF)
>> C = (calculated) 1.8*B2  (Pounds of side force)
>>
>>
>> *From:* Josh Luthman 
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:07 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading
>>
>> It didn't
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> If this attachment survives the posting process, I think I used the
>>> EIA-222 (something, probably C) formula.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

[Chuck McCown]

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

Yes, A squared.  Just my lazy way of doing that in Excel.
C is just another output.  1.8*B

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

Where does C go?  And are the A's both squared?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  B=0.004*A2*A2

  A =  (entered) Wind Speed MPH
  B = (calculated) Pounds of load per square foot (PSF)
  C = (calculated) 1.8*B2  (Pounds of side force)


  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:07 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

  It didn't


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

If this attachment survives the posting process, I think I used the EIA-222 
(something, probably C) formula.  

Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, A squared.  Just my lazy way of doing that in Excel.
C is just another output.  1.8*B

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

Where does C go?  And are the A's both squared?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  B=0.004*A2*A2

  A =  (entered) Wind Speed MPH
  B = (calculated) Pounds of load per square foot (PSF)
  C = (calculated) 1.8*B2  (Pounds of side force)


  From: Josh Luthman 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:07 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

  It didn't


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

If this attachment survives the posting process, I think I used the EIA-222 
(something, probably C) formula.  

Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

[Josh Luthman]

Where does C go?  And are the A's both squared?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> B=0.004*A2*A2
>
> A =  (entered) Wind Speed MPH
> B = (calculated) Pounds of load per square foot (PSF)
> C = (calculated) 1.8*B2  (Pounds of side force)
>
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading
>
> It didn't
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> If this attachment survives the posting process, I think I used the
>> EIA-222 (something, probably C) formula.
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] LTE Bonding

[Keefe John]

What's a good way to bond a bunch of LTE connections together? I'd like 
to get a bunch of sims from Ting and bong them and provide layer2 over 
the top (EOIP) back to my datacenter.


Keefe

Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

[Chuck McCown]

B=0.004*A2*A2

A =  (entered) Wind Speed MPH
B = (calculated) Pounds of load per square foot (PSF)
C = (calculated) 1.8*B2  (Pounds of side force)


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

It didn't


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  If this attachment survives the posting process, I think I used the EIA-222 
(something, probably C) formula.  

Re: [AFMUG] Wind Loading

[Josh Luthman]

It didn't


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 3:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> If this attachment survives the posting process, I think I used the
> EIA-222 (something, probably C) formula.
>

[AFMUG] Wind Loading

[Chuck McCown]

If this attachment survives the posting process, I think I used the EIA-222 
(something, probably C) formula.  

[AFMUG] Favorite/easiest wind load calculator

[Jay Weekley]

Does anyone have a favorite website for wind load calculations? Or a 
favorite tutorial on how to do it?

Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Mathew Howard]

My load estimate is also based on 6 watts per radio (which is the number I
usually see thrown around), but I suspect the actual average would be
closer to 4 watts, which is going to put it right in line with your 1.3-1.4
amp @24v estimate, which would put 20X the load at something more like 650
watts. A lot really depends on how easy the site is to access and how tight
your budget is.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

> Agreed! My sizing was based on my willingness to take generator to the
> site if there was no charging for 4.5 days (which I never had to do last
> winter, but last winter seemed nicer than ones prior - I'm in Western SD).
> Chucks battery sizing will at least double that run time and probably more
> (depending on battery temp) and the additional panels will charge them more
> quickly after extended run down.
>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC
>
> Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
>
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
> On 7/5/16 12:14 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Chuck is saying 1000 watts, which would be 4 x 250 watt panels, but keep
> in mind I'm figuring load on the high side to be safe.
>
> You could probably get away with 500 watts of panels, like Jesse said, but
> if you want to be sure it's never going to have problems, go with Chuck's
> numbers.
> Mathew
>
> Ok what size solar panels are we talking about jesse is saying 2 x 250
> watt panels is that correct?
>
> Tim
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: af 
> Date: 07/05/16 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar question
>
> Most people will tell you to figure about 6 watts each for Ubiquiti
> radios... I typically see close to for 4 watts average on ours, but it's
> better to err on the high side, so I'd plan for about 50 watts on that
> setup.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown < 
> ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> How many watts of load does that total?
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Tim Reichhart
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 8:42 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] solar question
>>
>>
>> Hey Guys
>> I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4
>> rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
>> this site have no option for power from power company and this location
>> in northwest ohio.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Chuck McCown]

http://www.wisptech.com/index.php?title=Solar_Powered_Site_App_Notes

From: Jesse DuPont 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar question

Agreed! My sizing was based on my willingness to take generator to the site if 
there was no charging for 4.5 days (which I never had to do last winter, but 
last winter seemed nicer than ones prior - I'm in Western SD). Chucks battery 
sizing will at least double that run time and probably more (depending on 
battery temp) and the additional panels will charge them more quickly after 
extended run down.


Jesse DuPont

Network Architect
email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
Celerity Networks LLC

Celerity Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc

Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband


On 7/5/16 12:14 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

  Chuck is saying 1000 watts, which would be 4 x 250 watt panels, but keep in 
mind I'm figuring load on the high side to be safe. 

  You could probably get away with 500 watts of panels, like Jesse said, but if 
you want to be sure it's never going to have problems, go with Chuck's numbers. 

  Mathew
  Ok what size solar panels are we talking about jesse is saying 2 x 250 watt 
panels is that correct?

  Tim




-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: af 
Date: 07/05/16 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar question


Most people will tell you to figure about 6 watts each for Ubiquiti 
radios... I typically see close to for 4 watts average on ours, but it's better 
to err on the high side, so I'd plan for about 50 watts on that setup.
 

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  How many watts of load does that total?

  -Original Message- From: Tim Reichhart
  Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 8:42 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] solar question 


  Hey Guys
  I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4 
rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
  this site have no option for power from power company and this location 
in northwest ohio.

  Tim




   
 

 
   

[AFMUG] Pole Mount Box for SyncInjectors

[Matt]

Would like a compact pole mount box that would hold 4 sync injectors
and a Mikrotik switch neatly.  Any ideas?

Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
Agreed! My sizing was based on my willingness to take generator to
the site if there was no charging for 4.5 days (which I never had to
do last winter, but last winter seemed nicer than ones prior - I'm
in Western SD). Chucks battery sizing will at least double that run
time and probably more (depending on battery temp) and the
additional panels will charge them more quickly after extended run
down.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
Jesse DuPont

  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
  Celerity
  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
  Like us! facebook.com/celeritybroadband
  

  

On 7/5/16 12:14 PM, Mathew Howard
  wrote:


  Chuck is saying 1000 watts, which would be 4 x 250
watt panels, but keep in mind I'm figuring load on the high side
to be safe. 
  You could probably get away with 500 watts of panels,
like Jesse said, but if you want to be sure it's never going to
have problems, go with Chuck's numbers. 
  

  Mathew
Ok what size solar panels are we talking about jesse is
saying 2 x 250 watt panels is that correct?

Tim


  -Original Message-
  From: "Mathew Howard" 
  To: af 
  Date: 07/05/16 11:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar question
  
  Most people will tell you to figure about 6
watts each for Ubiquiti radios... I typically see close
to for 4 watts average on ours, but it's better to err
on the high side, so I'd plan for about 50 watts on that
setup.
 
   
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:47 AM,
  Chuck McCown 
  wrote:
  How
many watts of load does that total?

-Original Message- From: Tim Reichhart
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 8:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] solar question

   

Hey Guys
I need to know what kind of size of solar setup
I need to be able power 4 rockets,2 powerbeam m5
500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
this site have no option for power from power
company and this location in northwest ohio.

Tim




 

  
   

 

 

  


  

Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Chuck McCown]

If you live in an area with no snow, no ice, lotsa sun, then 10X the load and a 
week of batts will barely suffice.
If you have snow, ice, locations that are hard to get to, etc then 20X the load 
and two weeks of batts will take care of you.

I have done this many times over on many mountain tops.  I have also hired 
helicopters at 2000/hour to get to sites that did not have enough panel or 
battery.  

If you can drive to the site year around to top off a battery during periods of 
inclement weather, then you can cut back on the size of the battery.  Telemetry 
is very important no matter what you do.  You can keep an eye on things and 
know they are going to fail before they do.  You can also remote start a small 
propane generator with telemetry too if you want to scrimp on panel.

If money is tight, go with the larger battery and smaller panel.  If money is 
squeaky tight, remote start generator and batts can be the whole system.  Just 
start it once every 3 days and let it run for an hour.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 12:14 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar question

Chuck is saying 1000 watts, which would be 4 x 250 watt panels, but keep in 
mind I'm figuring load on the high side to be safe. 

You could probably get away with 500 watts of panels, like Jesse said, but if 
you want to be sure it's never going to have problems, go with Chuck's numbers. 

Mathew
Ok what size solar panels are we talking about jesse is saying 2 x 250 watt 
panels is that correct?

Tim




--
  -Original Message-
  From: "Mathew Howard" 
  To: af 
  Date: 07/05/16 11:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar question


  Most people will tell you to figure about 6 watts each for Ubiquiti radios... 
I typically see close to for 4 watts average on ours, but it's better to err on 
the high side, so I'd plan for about 50 watts on that setup.
   

  On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

How many watts of load does that total?

-Original Message- From: Tim Reichhart
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 8:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] solar question 


Hey Guys
I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4 
rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
this site have no option for power from power company and this location in 
northwest ohio.

Tim




 
   

   
 

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

[Mathew Howard]

I assume there's too much spread between the customers to get them all
three on one 120 degree sector?

5-6 miles on an omni certainly isn't ideal, but it's probably do-able in a
situation like that... you probably aren't going to get full modulation,
but with only three customer's on the AP, does it really matter? It's not
like overall sector capacity is going to be a problem...

In my experience, the best omni's are the ones Chuck sells (same thing as
the KP except you can mount an ePMP directly to Chuck's).




On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Even in very rural areas, have you ever seen a cell site with an omni?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni
>
> Yep.
>
> *From:* Jeremy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni
>
> I'd guess 5-6 miles is too far for an omni.
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:29 AM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> KP. I have a couple running in the 5.7 band and get about -65 w/a
>> Force200 at 4.5 miles, so that's pretty much the limit. Replaced old shit
>> MikroTik and UBNT 2.4. Pretty easy swap on the customer side since the 180s
>> and 200s will take either power polarity.
>>
>> On 7/5/2016 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> I know, omnis suck, but this is to replace a 3 customer ubnt 3ghz omni so
>> its not worth any money investment and its a tiny tower that cant take much
>> load
>>
>> whats the current goodfish omni for these, the limiting omni factor is
>> the three customers are 5-6 miles out and we would be operating in the 5.1
>> rules
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Mathew Howard]

Chuck is saying 1000 watts, which would be 4 x 250 watt panels, but keep in
mind I'm figuring load on the high side to be safe.

You could probably get away with 500 watts of panels, like Jesse said, but
if you want to be sure it's never going to have problems, go with Chuck's
numbers.
Mathew
Ok what size solar panels are we talking about jesse is saying 2 x 250 watt
panels is that correct?

Tim

--
-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: af 
Date: 07/05/16 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar question

Most people will tell you to figure about 6 watts each for Ubiquiti
radios... I typically see close to for 4 watts average on ours, but it's
better to err on the high side, so I'd plan for about 50 watts on that
setup.


On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> How many watts of load does that total?
>
> -Original Message- From: Tim Reichhart
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 8:42 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] solar question
>
>
> Hey Guys
> I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4
> rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
> this site have no option for power from power company and this location in
> northwest ohio.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

[Josh Luthman]

The little micro cells have omni's.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Even in very rural areas, have you ever seen a cell site with an omni?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni
>
> Yep.
>
> *From:* Jeremy 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni
>
> I'd guess 5-6 miles is too far for an omni.
>
> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:29 AM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> KP. I have a couple running in the 5.7 band and get about -65 w/a
>> Force200 at 4.5 miles, so that's pretty much the limit. Replaced old shit
>> MikroTik and UBNT 2.4. Pretty easy swap on the customer side since the 180s
>> and 200s will take either power polarity.
>>
>> On 7/5/2016 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>> I know, omnis suck, but this is to replace a 3 customer ubnt 3ghz omni so
>> its not worth any money investment and its a tiny tower that cant take much
>> load
>>
>> whats the current goodfish omni for these, the limiting omni factor is
>> the three customers are 5-6 miles out and we would be operating in the 5.1
>> rules
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

[Ken Hohhof]

The closest thing is probably that Mimosa product that has 4 sectors in one 
tube to be omni-like, but I don’t think they pitch that as a long distance 
solution, more of a high capacity small cell solution.

The decision to use an omni shouldn’t be based on subscriber count, but on cell 
size.

Even for small cells, nobody seems to make a dual pol omni with good 
characteristics.  The gain varies all over the place with azimuth, and V and H 
don’t track, and it’s hard to get the downtilt you want.  Omnis were more 
viable in the single pol VPOL days, there were some decent VPOL omnis with some 
serious downtilt that could be used to cover a small area (< 1 mile) around the 
tower.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 1:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

The little micro cells have omni's.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  Even in very rural areas, have you ever seen a cell site with an omni?

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:55 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

  Yep.

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:57 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

  I'd guess 5-6 miles is too far for an omni.

  On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:29 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

KP. I have a couple running in the 5.7 band and get about -65 w/a Force200 
at 4.5 miles, so that's pretty much the limit. Replaced old shit MikroTik and 
UBNT 2.4. Pretty easy swap on the customer side since the 180s and 200s will 
take either power polarity.


On 7/5/2016 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

  I know, omnis suck, but this is to replace a 3 customer ubnt 3ghz omni so 
its not worth any money investment and its a tiny tower that cant take much 
load 

  whats the current goodfish omni for these, the limiting omni factor is 
the three customers are 5-6 miles out and we would be operating in the 5.1 rules


  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team 
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

[Chuck McCown]

Even in very rural areas, have you ever seen a cell site with an omni?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:55 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

Yep.

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

I'd guess 5-6 miles is too far for an omni.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:29 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

  KP. I have a couple running in the 5.7 band and get about -65 w/a Force200 at 
4.5 miles, so that's pretty much the limit. Replaced old shit MikroTik and UBNT 
2.4. Pretty easy swap on the customer side since the 180s and 200s will take 
either power polarity.


  On 7/5/2016 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

I know, omnis suck, but this is to replace a 3 customer ubnt 3ghz omni so 
its not worth any money investment and its a tiny tower that cant take much 
load 

whats the current goodfish omni for these, the limiting omni factor is the 
three customers are 5-6 miles out and we would be operating in the 5.1 rules


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

[Ken Hohhof]

Yep.

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 11:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

I'd guess 5-6 miles is too far for an omni.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:29 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

  KP. I have a couple running in the 5.7 band and get about -65 w/a Force200 at 
4.5 miles, so that's pretty much the limit. Replaced old shit MikroTik and UBNT 
2.4. Pretty easy swap on the customer side since the 180s and 200s will take 
either power polarity.


  On 7/5/2016 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

I know, omnis suck, but this is to replace a 3 customer ubnt 3ghz omni so 
its not worth any money investment and its a tiny tower that cant take much 
load 

whats the current goodfish omni for these, the limiting omni factor is the 
three customers are 5-6 miles out and we would be operating in the 5.1 rules


-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i SyncPipe

[Matt]

There is not a way to plug syncpipe into aux port on 450i and generate sync?

Looking at powering a PMP450i off a old CMM that outputs 24 volts POE.
I can use a Tycon 24 to 48 volt POE converter(TP-POE-2456D) to power
up the 450i but I have no sync.  Site I have limited space on and no
time to rebuild at moment.




On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:42 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:
> Syncbox or syncinjector rev I0 or later
>
> Earlier syncinjectors might get a reprieve but the electrical interface on
> the 450i aux port is enough different that earlier timing port devices won't
> work.
>
> On Jun 20, 2016 12:29 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
>>
>> Is there a way to make a syncpipe work with 450i yet?

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Paul Stewart]

Rookie Blue too although I gotta admit I like Blue Bloods better ;)

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:05 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> The original La Femme Nikita (USA 1997-2001 or so) was canada
> Flashpoint was canada
> they certainly do some good stuff!
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Paul Stewart 
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>> 
>> Fair enough .. although movie and TV production is quite significant in 
>> Canada for some of the shows you watch during prime time J  Although it’s 
>> more movies than TV come to think of it
>>  
>> It’s not about the media content producers as much as it’s about FCC 
>> regulation in my opinion .. 
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: July 4, 2016 4:51 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>>  
>> To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United States 
>> media content producers.
>> 
>> On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart" > > wrote:
>>> It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year
>>>  
>>> http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
>>> Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV
>>>  
>>> I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that, at a 
>>> minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie 
>>> >> > wrote:
 I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution 
 isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money 
 to get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and 
 associated infrastructure at this point in the game.
 
 On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds > wrote:
> There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on how 
> much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber 
> base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your 
> customers (to truly compete with cable cos).
> 
> On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie"  > wrote:
>> There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way 
>> things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most 
>> companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be 
>> worthwhile when available.
>> 
>> On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald > > wrote:
>>> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do 
>>> I even start?
>>>  
>>> -- 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
>>> wiFitz Network Services
>>> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
>>> Phone: 319/540-8999 
>>> Web: http://www.wifitz.net 
>>>  
>>> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>>> 
>>>  

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

[Jeremy]

I'd guess 5-6 miles is too far for an omni.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 10:29 AM, George Skorup  wrote:

> KP. I have a couple running in the 5.7 band and get about -65 w/a Force200
> at 4.5 miles, so that's pretty much the limit. Replaced old shit MikroTik
> and UBNT 2.4. Pretty easy swap on the customer side since the 180s and 200s
> will take either power polarity.
>
> On 7/5/2016 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> I know, omnis suck, but this is to replace a 3 customer ubnt 3ghz omni so
> its not worth any money investment and its a tiny tower that cant take much
> load
>
> whats the current goodfish omni for these, the limiting omni factor is the
> three customers are 5-6 miles out and we would be operating in the 5.1 rules
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

[George Skorup]

KP. I have a couple running in the 5.7 band and get about -65 w/a 
Force200 at 4.5 miles, so that's pretty much the limit. Replaced old 
shit MikroTik and UBNT 2.4. Pretty easy swap on the customer side since 
the 180s and 200s will take either power polarity.


On 7/5/2016 11:14 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
I know, omnis suck, but this is to replace a 3 customer ubnt 3ghz omni 
so its not worth any money investment and its a tiny tower that cant 
take much load


whats the current goodfish omni for these, the limiting omni factor is 
the three customers are 5-6 miles out and we would be operating in the 
5.1 rules


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Chris Wright]

I’ll see if I can get info on what the wizard used. Wish I had one lying around 
to show you what the finished version looks like, it’s pretty slick!

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

If you have what you removed for me to measure etc, it would help if I was to 
do something custom that fits properly and does what folks need.

From: Chris Wright
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

We’ve gutted a few CCR1009’s and done exactly this.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?


I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year where I 
have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to go at the 
larger sites.

Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module that would 
replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all my sites and 
extra for new ones.

I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only for a few 
Rack mount series.

All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the few we 
have with generators.



On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but Mikrotik is 
wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in Africa. The line 
between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had terrestrial/wireline 
infrastructure of any sort to begin with.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:

Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of WISPs, which is 
a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy mikrotik".
On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen" 
> wrote:

WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!

[I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ...

How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC connect for power

Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.



On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net wrote:
You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.

The dual power supply version went in at a different place last week.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
> I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar sites, such as
> a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a few sectors...
>
> $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
>
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>
> http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

[Josh Luthman]

Might be cheaper to use integrated units.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 12:14 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know, omnis suck, but this is to replace a 3 customer ubnt 3ghz omni so
> its not worth any money investment and its a tiny tower that cant take much
> load
>
> whats the current goodfish omni for these, the limiting omni factor is the
> three customers are 5-6 miles out and we would be operating in the 5.1 rules
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] epmp 5ghz omni

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I know, omnis suck, but this is to replace a 3 customer ubnt 3ghz omni so
its not worth any money investment and its a tiny tower that cant take much
load

whats the current goodfish omni for these, the limiting omni factor is the
three customers are 5-6 miles out and we would be operating in the 5.1 rules

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Chuck McCown]

If you have what you removed for me to measure etc, it would help if I was to 
do something custom that fits properly and does what folks need.  

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 10:09 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

We’ve gutted a few CCR1009’s and done exactly this. 

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Velociter Wireless

209-838-1221 x115

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

 

I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year where I 
have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to go at the 
larger sites.

Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module that would 
replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all my sites and 
extra for new ones.

I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only for a few 
Rack mount series.

All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the few we 
have with generators.

 

 

On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

  Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but Mikrotik is 
wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in Africa. The line 
between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had terrestrial/wireline 
infrastructure of any sort to begin with.

   

  On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of WISPs, which 
is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy mikrotik".

  On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen"  wrote:

  WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!

  [I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ... 

  How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC connect for power

  Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.

   

   

  On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:

You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.

 

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.

The dual power supply version went in at a different place last week.


On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar sites, such 
as
> a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a few sectors...
>
> $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
>
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>
> http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
>
>

 

   

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Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Chris Wright]

We’ve gutted a few CCR1009’s and done exactly this.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator
Velociter Wireless
209-838-1221 x115

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 3:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?


I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year where I 
have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to go at the 
larger sites.

Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module that would 
replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all my sites and 
extra for new ones.

I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only for a few 
Rack mount series.

All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the few we 
have with generators.



On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but Mikrotik is 
wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in Africa. The line 
between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had terrestrial/wireline 
infrastructure of any sort to begin with.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:

Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of WISPs, which is 
a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy mikrotik".
On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen" 
> wrote:

WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!

[I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ...

How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC connect for power

Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.



On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, 
can...@believewireless.net wrote:
You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.

The dual power supply version went in at a different place last week.

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
> I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar sites, such as
> a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a few sectors...
>
> $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
>
> http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>
> http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
>
>


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Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Tim Reichhart]

Mathew
Ok what size solar panels are we talking about jesse is saying 2 x 250 watt 
panels is that correct?

Tim


-Original Message-
From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: af 
Date: 07/05/16 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar question

Most people will tell you to figure about 6 watts each for Ubiquiti radios... I 
typically see close to for 4 watts average on ours, but it's better to err on 
the high side, so I'd plan for about 50 watts on that setup.
 
 
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
How many watts of load does that total?

-Original Message- From: Tim Reichhart
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 8:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] solar question 

Hey Guys
I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4 
rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
this site have no option for power from power company and this location in 
northwest ohio.

Tim




 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

The original La Femme Nikita (USA 1997-2001 or so) was canada
Flashpoint was canada
they certainly do some good stuff!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul Stewart 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV


  Fair enough .. although movie and TV production is quite significant in 
Canada for some of the shows you watch during prime time J  Although it’s more 
movies than TV come to think of it

   

  It’s not about the media content producers as much as it’s about FCC 
regulation in my opinion .. 

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
  Sent: July 4, 2016 4:51 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

   

  To be fair, Canada isn't exactly a driving decision maker  of United States 
media content producers.

  On Jul 4, 2016 3:48 PM, "Paul Stewart"  wrote:

It’s been mandated now in Canada for a la carte by end of year

 


http://globalnews.ca/news/1892474/canada-to-require-a-la-carte-television-service-by-december-2016/

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: July 4, 2016 4:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

I'm of the same opinion, however we are still 5+ years away from that, at a 
minimum. Ten if you want ala-carte ESPN.

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 1:00 AM, Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  I'm of the opinion that unbundling is the future, so even if the solution 
isn't perfect it should be a good stop gap that won't cost a ton of money to 
get started with. I just can't see investing in a full headend and associated 
infrastructure at this point in the game.

  On Monday, July 4, 2016, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

There are downsides to the solution he has as well. It all depends on 
how much control you need, and if X channel is important to your subscriber 
base or not. It also depends on the feature set you want to offer your 
customers (to truly compete with cable cos).

On Jul 3, 2016 8:42 PM, "Jason McKemie" 
 wrote:

  There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the 
way things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most 
companies are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be 
worthwhile when available.

  On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald  wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where 
do I even start?


 

-- 



 

Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

 

Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

[Robert Haas]

Thanks, that’s kinda what I was thinking about – a Rohn 65G with beefed up guys 
just to be on the safe side. We don’t get much ice normally, but we’ve have had 
4”+ a number of years back. 

A number of towers in the area collapsed during that storm.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 5:18 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

 

How about Rohn 45G, 55G or 65G pieces from www.3starinc.com 
  ?  They also sell the full Rohn kits that come with 
everything. If you want something stronger/shorter than a normal design (like a 
90' 65G with heavier than usual guying, for big dishes) you can easily see the 
individual component pieces and put together an Excel sheet for your total cost.

 

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Robert Haas  > wrote:

Coincidentally, I was going to ask a similar question.

I’m looking for suggestions for a 60’-80’ tower (preferred guyed) that will 
hold a 4’ dish. The STG looks like it may work well.

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com  ; memb...@wispa.org 
 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 100 Foot Towers and Less

 

Hutton, Rohn, Talley. So many options. Direct Rohn rep is 
bobby.tann...@rohnnet.com  .

Kind of depends on the loading. For a little heavier load I really like the 
Trylon STG. Solid rod, goes together smooth. Self support for limited load to 
something like 70'.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:09 PM Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc 
 > wrote:

Where you geeks buying these from these days?

 

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Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Chuck McCown]

50 watts=1000 watts of panel.  $650
16.8 kWh of battery.  $2500
+ controller.  $300

Two weeks of autonomous use, enough solar panel to not use batteries when 
overcast.  
Guaranteed to work.  

From: Mathew Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:43 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] solar question

Most people will tell you to figure about 6 watts each for Ubiquiti radios... I 
typically see close to for 4 watts average on ours, but it's better to err on 
the high side, so I'd plan for about 50 watts on that setup.


On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  How many watts of load does that total?

  -Original Message- From: Tim Reichhart
  Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 8:42 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: [AFMUG] solar question 


  Hey Guys
  I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4 
rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
  this site have no option for power from power company and this location in 
northwest ohio.

  Tim

Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Mathew Howard]

Most people will tell you to figure about 6 watts each for Ubiquiti
radios... I typically see close to for 4 watts average on ours, but it's
better to err on the high side, so I'd plan for about 50 watts on that
setup.

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> How many watts of load does that total?
>
> -Original Message- From: Tim Reichhart
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 8:42 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] solar question
>
>
> Hey Guys
> I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4
> rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
> this site have no option for power from power company and this location in
> northwest ohio.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Jesse DuPont]

  
  
With that equipment, you probably have about 1.3-1.4A of load at
24VDC. Using 2x250W, 24VDC panels and 4x100Ah batteries should get
you through 4-4.5 days of heavy overcast. If you need more runtime,
add another pair of 100Ah batteries. An MPPT controller will charge
better as the panels reach full voltage during the day (PWM
controllers are less expensive, but will limit charge efficiency).

Where you are, I'd consider putting the batteries in the ground in
some kind of an enclosure. This will keep them at least 35-40F in
the dead of winter, giving you predictable run time when it's cold.
I just make a 4' x 4' x 4' box with hinged lid made from treated
lumber, dig a hole, put gravel on the bottom of it, throw in the box
and back fill. Insulate the top 12" and the lid and they'll stay
warmer. It's not elegant, but it works. There are much better
solutions out there, I'm sure.


  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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  Network
  Architect
  email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
  Celerity Networks LLC
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  Broadband LLC
Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
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On 7/5/16 8:42 AM, Tim Reichhart wrote:


  Hey Guys
I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4 rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
this site have no option for power from power company and this location in northwest ohio.

Tim







  

Re: [AFMUG] solar question

[Chuck McCown]

How many watts of load does that total?

-Original Message- 
From: Tim Reichhart

Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 8:42 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] solar question

Hey Guys
I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4 
rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
this site have no option for power from power company and this location in 
northwest ohio.


Tim

[AFMUG] solar question

[Tim Reichhart]

Hey Guys
I need to know what kind of size of solar setup I need to be able power 4 
rockets,2 powerbeam m5 500, 1 rb2011ils-in, 1 nanostation m2
this site have no option for power from power company and this location in 
northwest ohio.

Tim

Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq

[Harold Bledsoe]

Ok, but that thing is $140 too.  :-)

We think we have achieved the niceness of that one at half the price with
our Long Range bracket.

When it comes to using these as CPEs especially, we have a lot of folks
using the standard bracket as wall mounts.  PTMP is also not as aiming
sensitive as PTP is.

-Hal

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 8:41 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Siklu mounts are nice.
> On Jul 4, 2016 5:17 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
>> I really have no idea how they could have designed such a fundamentally
>> flimsy and shoddy mount and thought "Yep, looks good, let's ship it".
>>
>> Bridgewave designed a dead simple mount for the GE60 over nine years ago
>> that is just a few pieces of folded stainless sheet steel. With a few bolts
>> and threads. Works great.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
> Typical early adoption pains.
>>>
>>> It's no secret that they are working on improving their firmware, adding
>>> features and stomping out the bugs as quickly as possible. Some versions of
>>> firmware have been more stable (less feature rich) than other versions...
>>>
>>> Our production link has been working well and stable. On our test link
>>> we have been able to identify some short comings and been able to reproduce
>>> some of the bugs.
>>>
>>> Yes, there is one person who is having the issue of link stalling after
>>> 3 days, and there are others who have been deploying micro pops with Mimosa
>>> A5's and Metrolinq's  (Kurt W, you can see his pictures on WISP pictures,
>>> or Mimosa Group on Facebook).
>>>
>>> And yes there are also others who have had trouble with their first and
>>> only link.
>>>
>>> 60ghz is a different animal, takes a bit of getting used to. I am happy
>>> to see that they finally have the LR brackets available. A lot of
>>> frustration has been around the current mounting bracket and folks having
>>> to get a feel for the Alignment.  Lots of folks start of with 'We don't
>>> need the stinking scopes' ... and after their first experience go to .. "
>>> err... Don't try to do this without the scopes" !
>>>
>>> So, overall, for us, it is a product that is coming along nicely,
>>> nothing un-usual that we have not seen with other mfg.  We have a few more
>>> links planned out, and waiting to be deployed.  The bumps in the road are
>>> not show stoppers.
>>>
>>>
>>> Disclaimer, we are one of their Beta Testers.. I am looking forward
>>> to having some fun beta testing the PTMP Sector.. hope to get some time in
>>> the coming week to play with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, July 4, 2016 10:44:43 AM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Metrolinq
>>>
>>> Heard from a user his links stalls approximately every three days.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any better experience ?
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Metrolinq

[Harold Bledsoe]

I'm not sure that's exactly how it went down.  ;-)

It is funny though - we started down the path of replacing it with a more
"traditional" bracket and got quite the negative feedback from some
existing customers on the change.  Anyways we aren't going to make everyone
happy - but we can try our best!

Now we start the (somewhat painful) transition to pull the mount out of the
box and sell different options separately.  We feel like this is the least
wasteful and let's folks pick whichever mount they prefer:

1. Standard (current) bracket - $21
2. Long range precision bracket - $70

Of course we will reduce the price of the radio accordingly.

It will take a little time for the transition.

Thanks,
-Hal

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 7:17 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> I really have no idea how they could have designed such a fundamentally
> flimsy and shoddy mount and thought "Yep, looks good, let's ship it".
>
> Bridgewave designed a dead simple mount for the GE60 over nine years ago
> that is just a few pieces of folded stainless sheet steel. With a few bolts
> and threads. Works great.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Typical early adoption pains.
>>
>> It's no secret that they are working on improving their firmware, adding
>> features and stomping out the bugs as quickly as possible. Some versions of
>> firmware have been more stable (less feature rich) than other versions...
>>
>> Our production link has been working well and stable. On our test link we
>> have been able to identify some short comings and been able to reproduce
>> some of the bugs.
>>
>> Yes, there is one person who is having the issue of link stalling after 3
>> days, and there are others who have been deploying micro pops with Mimosa
>> A5's and Metrolinq's  (Kurt W, you can see his pictures on WISP pictures,
>> or Mimosa Group on Facebook).
>>
>> And yes there are also others who have had trouble with their first and
>> only link.
>>
>> 60ghz is a different animal, takes a bit of getting used to. I am happy
>> to see that they finally have the LR brackets available. A lot of
>> frustration has been around the current mounting bracket and folks having
>> to get a feel for the Alignment.  Lots of folks start of with 'We don't
>> need the stinking scopes' ... and after their first experience go to .. "
>> err... Don't try to do this without the scopes" !
>>
>> So, overall, for us, it is a product that is coming along nicely, nothing
>> un-usual that we have not seen with other mfg.  We have a few more links
>> planned out, and waiting to be deployed.  The bumps in the road are not
>> show stoppers.
>>
>>
>> Disclaimer, we are one of their Beta Testers.. I am looking forward
>> to having some fun beta testing the PTMP Sector.. hope to get some time in
>> the coming week to play with it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Stefan Englhardt" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, July 4, 2016 10:44:43 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Metrolinq
>>
>> Heard from a user his links stalls approximately every three days.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any better experience ?
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

Yes, RCTV.

From: Paul Stewart 
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 7:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

So when you suggest HLS and no middleware, you are outsourcing?

 

If you want to have fun, HEVC+HLS is a great way to lose some hair ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: July 5, 2016 9:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

You have to groom your network, and supply set top boxes.  Then there are 
troubleshooting issues at times.

And you have middleware and middleware licensing and costs.  For a full 
implementation you gotta have a headend etc.  Big investment.  

 

None of that happens with HLS.  

 

IGMP is more time consuming than just giving out the username and password and 
letting the customer do the rest.  If they can do netflix, they can do HLS.  

 

I have done both.  Actually I did IGMP twice.  If your viewer can stream 
Netflix, they can stream something and you may as well make money off that 
something.  The network is going to be used either way.  

 

From: Josh Reynolds 

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

As someone deploying one right now, it is far more network efficient than 
stream/perViewer.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:51 PM, "Aaron Fitzgerald"  wrote:

  The whole draw of IGMP based is reduced network load -- what's wrong with it 
in practice?

   

  On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way 
things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies 
are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald  wrote:

  I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I 
even start?


   

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  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

  wiFitz Network Services

  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

  Phone: 319/540-8999

  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

   

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC





   

  -- 



   

  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

  wiFitz Network Services

  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

  Phone: 319/540-8999

  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

   

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Paul Stewart]

So when you suggest HLS and no middleware, you are outsourcing?

 

If you want to have fun, HEVC+HLS is a great way to lose some hair ;)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: July 5, 2016 9:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

You have to groom your network, and supply set top boxes.  Then there are 
troubleshooting issues at times.

And you have middleware and middleware licensing and costs.  For a full 
implementation you gotta have a headend etc.  Big investment.  

 

None of that happens with HLS.  

 

IGMP is more time consuming than just giving out the username and password and 
letting the customer do the rest.  If they can do netflix, they can do HLS.  

 

I have done both.  Actually I did IGMP twice.  If your viewer can stream 
Netflix, they can stream something and you may as well make money off that 
something.  The network is going to be used either way.  

 

From: Josh Reynolds   

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:57 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

As someone deploying one right now, it is far more network efficient than 
stream/perViewer.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:51 PM, "Aaron Fitzgerald"  > wrote:

The whole draw of IGMP based is reduced network load -- what's wrong with it in 
practice?

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.  

 

From: Jason McKemie   

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way things 
are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies are 
using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald  > wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


 

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wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999  

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 

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wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999  

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 

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Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Chuck McCown]

You have to groom your network, and supply set top boxes.  Then there are 
troubleshooting issues at times.
And you have middleware and middleware licensing and costs.  For a full 
implementation you gotta have a headend etc.  Big investment.  

None of that happens with HLS.  

IGMP is more time consuming than just giving out the username and password and 
letting the customer do the rest.  If they can do netflix, they can do HLS.  

I have done both.  Actually I did IGMP twice.  If your viewer can stream 
Netflix, they can stream something and you may as well make money off that 
something.  The network is going to be used either way.  

From: Josh Reynolds 
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 11:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

As someone deploying one right now, it is far more network efficient than 
stream/perViewer.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:51 PM, "Aaron Fitzgerald"  wrote:

  The whole draw of IGMP based is reduced network load -- what's wrong with it 
in practice?

  On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way 
things are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies 
are using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald  wrote:

  I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I 
even start?


  -- 




  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
  wiFitz Network Services
  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
  Phone: 319/540-8999
  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC




  -- 




  Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
  wiFitz Network Services
  Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
  Phone: 319/540-8999
  Web: http://www.wifitz.net

  wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Paul Stewart]

I worked for several years with various networks that were IGMP based with 
“traditional IPTV” deployments.They worked and worked well…. FTTH, VDSL, 
ADSL2+ etc delivery

 

I’ve spent the last year and a bit working around stream based IPTV and can’t 
say the same thing.  VOD type of stream delivery (ie. Netflix etc) is 
relatively straight forward … linear TV programming via stream has a lot of 
challenges especially as it scales with channels and subscribers.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: July 5, 2016 1:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

As someone deploying one right now, it is far more network efficient than 
stream/perViewer.

On Jul 4, 2016 11:51 PM, "Aaron Fitzgerald"  > wrote:

The whole draw of IGMP based is reduced network load -- what's wrong with it in 
practice?

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown  > wrote:

Amen, been there done that.  Forget IGMP based systems too.  

 

From:   Jason McKemie 

Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 7:42 PM

To:   af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

 

There is going to have to be something new come to market. With the way things 
are moving, it's not worth investing in a full setup like most companies are 
using right now. The system Chuck is working on could be worthwhile when 
available.

On Sunday, July 3, 2016, Aaron Fitzgerald <  
aa...@wifitz.net> wrote:

I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I even 
start?


 

-- 

  

 

 

Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone:   319/540-8999

Web:   http://www.wifitz.net

 

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC





 

-- 

  

 

 

Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO

wiFitz Network Services

Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor

Phone: 319/540-8999  

Web: http://www.wifitz.net

 

wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC