Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Be sure to use a quality 4mil storage bagno reason to cheap out on something that important. -- Original Message -- From: "Rory Conaway" To: "af@afmug.com" Sent: 1/19/2017 11:59:56 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator Use a

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Use a vacuum sealer on the bag. rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator Put it in a Ziploc bag? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam

Re: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n

But seriously, FAP? Why FAP? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 8:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n I just .. in my pants. Oh how I miss you assembly language. _ From:

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

Agreed, I think you will find out more by sending a burst of 10 pings every 1-5 minutes. Now you can calculate and plot packet loss as well as min/avg/max latency. One lonely ping doesn’t tell you much. We do it with PRTG but I suspect most network monitor tools can do this. From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Put it in a Ziploc bag? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 6:18 AM To: af@afmug.com; Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator Use an AP intended for outdoors? Ought to be resistant to

Re: [AFMUG] "Do I have to be home?"

Almost never will I let a field tech go in a house without a responsible person there. Too many liability issues. If I know the customer very well, I might agree to do it myself. Or to let a field tech leave a box of cable inside the shop door. But as a general rule, no can do. If

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your peak performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming. We are very careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what plans we offer as well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer

Re: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n

I just .. in my pants. Oh how I miss you assembly language. From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 7:12:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n Where was this

Re: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n

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Re: [AFMUG] Enhancing my home automation system.

Tyler, Exactly -- Best regards, Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com Myakka Technologies, Inc. www.MyakkaTech.com Proud Sponsor of the Myakka City Relay For Life http://www.RelayForLife.org/MyakkaCityFL Please Donate at Please Donate at http://www.myakkatech.com/RFL.html

Re: [AFMUG] Enhancing my home automation system.

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Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts

The Mimosa Fleximount is good for that. On 1/17/2017 10:09 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: Since the biggest tower we have is 5", I would like that. On a somewhat related note, would anyone else be interested in a smaller/lighter duty version of the M-TOW? they're overkill for a lot of stuff we

Re: [AFMUG] Enhancing my home automation system.

Yep... Sounds right... On Jan 19, 2017 6:15 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > Put a ruler down by the board and shoot another picture. > > The loading coil in the inductive antenna shortens it but hard to tell. I > would guess the shorter one is a quarter at 902 and the coil is the

Re: [AFMUG] OT food and the sky

But no pictures... Ah dude... On Jan 19, 2017 6:20 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > I was in Rico Colorado today working on a generator that got squashed when > its shelter roof collapsed due to snowfall. > Had the best chimichanga in my life tonight. Shrimp, scallops, crap >

Re: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n

My first personal computer was a Sinclair ZX-81 aka Timex Sinclair 1000 mine was built from a DYI Kit... I was chuckling to myself looking at the pictures,,, essentially this person re-made the unit.. minus the ROM (Basic Interpreter ) ! Ahh the good old days.. one of my first personal

Re: [AFMUG] OT food and the sky

H. Nice vision. Sweetie by your side, and a cornucopia of stars. We camp out at some secret spots by Mono Lake, and it's like that out there. Severely dark sky. Just amazing. bp On 1/19/2017 5:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: I was in Rico Colorado today working on

[AFMUG] OT food and the sky

I was in Rico Colorado today working on a generator that got squashed when its shelter roof collapsed due to snowfall. Had the best chimichanga in my life tonight. Shrimp, scallops, crap yum. La Casita in Cortez, CO. Last night during the drive over, I pulled off to the side of the road.

Re: [AFMUG] Enhancing my home automation system.

Put a ruler down by the board and shoot another picture. The loading coil in the inductive antenna shortens it but hard to tell. I would guess the shorter one is a quarter at 902 and the coil is the 315 MHz antenna. Quarter wavelength at 928 Mhz is more like 3 inches. -Original

Re: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n

Where was this 20 years ago when I needed it? -Original Message- From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 5:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n I figured Chuck and Forrest would like this. http://imgur.com/gallery/hfG6e

Re: [AFMUG] Pipe mounts

Sinclair CLAMP111 works well on 90 degree angle legs (they also hav e 60 degree versions), but at $250 per pair are hideously expensive, also they don’t have provisions for sloping legs. https://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=77637 From: Af

Re: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n

Risky click of the day. Chris Wright Network Administrator -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n I figured Chuck and Forrest would like this.

[AFMUG] homemade computer pr0n

I figured Chuck and Forrest would like this. http://imgur.com/gallery/hfG6e

Re: [AFMUG] Enhancing my home automation system.

Total bullshit guess: the curly one is the 300mhz one because the overall element length is longer. On Jan 19, 2017 6:46 PM, "Mark - Myakka Technologies" wrote: > I'm using a z-wave based home automation system. Works well even > though distance between devices is a bit too

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

We use a cacti plugin called "Advanced Ping". It will perform a group of pings every polling period. We don't use it on every client, but use it on ones that we know have occasional latency and/or packet loss issues. We generally have it do a barrage of 10 pings every polling period (once

Re: [AFMUG] One of these things doesn't belong

Give that man a prize We never run high voltage next to control wires Plus they wired several things wrong We noted it and passed on to project engineer They had input into input On Jan 19, 2017 3:05 PM, "Josh Luthman" wrote: > Looks like a bit

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

Smokeping would work, you'd just need to run on a longer cycle. If it's only a few different devices, you can probably run it on a 60 second interval safely enough. Rather than sending 1 ping a second, sending 10 or 20 every 60 seconds will give you a pretty good look at jitter, latency, and

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

I've never seen that feature on a Netonix like switch without it costing $3000. ICMP has always done good enough Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jan 19, 2017, at 5:27 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > You are looking for a carrier / telco feature, of which

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

Smokeping. Best tool for that IMO. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Jon Langeler wrote: > Just wanting to keep an eye out for packet loss. I currently do it with a >

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

You are looking for a carrier / telco feature, of which there are several variants. CCM is one, "loopback testing" is another. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.1ag is a good place to start You won't get the level of reliability or accuracy you are looking for with regular ICMP echo, and

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

Just wanting to keep an eye out for packet loss. I currently do it with a Windows program but I'm looking for something more stable. It's mostly to monitor backhauls and maybe APs Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jan 19, 2017, at 10:10 AM, Josh Reynolds

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan wrote: > > I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User Guide > 15.0.2 > >> On 1/19/2017 11:37

Re: [AFMUG] One of these things doesn't belong

Looks like a bit of current comes into that thinger... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: > We have to land four wires into this box... Not one of ours

Re: [AFMUG] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?

I have a DLink SFP+ PCI-E card in my machine that is connected directly to fiber at the switch. It's a couple years old, but Intel i7 multicore From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:31 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Which

Re: [AFMUG] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?

On the user computer end? From: Af > on behalf of Sterling Jacobson > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Thursday, January 19, 2017 at 4:27 PM

Re: [AFMUG] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?

It's just a used 1U intel rack server I got for a few hundred bucks. Dedicated Linux running the speedtest.net software and a dual SFP+ card. Speedtest.net is odd at speeds above 1Gbps. It will record the results for around 1.5Gbps, but anything above that I think it considers erroneous and

Re: [AFMUG] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?

What machine you used to do a 10G speedtest From: Af > on behalf of Sterling Jacobson > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Thursday,

Re: [AFMUG] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?

I was using CCR 8G 2+ SFP or whatever, the one with 8 GigE ports and two 10Gbps SFP+ ports for a while. Before I implemented VPLS/MPLS I was getting around 9600Mbps to speedtest.net to my own server and one external server. That was static routed, so OSPF would be the same. Version 6.3x For

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User Guide 15.0.2 On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection?

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

I'd guess on the 450m trying to calculate frame utilization downstream could be an issue if you are sending to two or more clients at the same time in a frame. You could be using 100% of your frames sending to one client at a time and still be able to more then double capacity by sending to

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

On 140 Ap, at peak time what is total throughput you are seeing from 450m? We replaced 450 to 450m, 80 customers, it used to see 45 to 50 megs, with 450m I saw it jumped close to 90 meg. I think we keep watching the frame utilization we thought it was maxed out but i think it is mis leading,

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

I would make the jump to the 450m if you have 12 APs on the one tower and combine two or more in to one. I have seen 140+ customers on one 450m. On 1/19/2017 10:54 AM, Eric Muehleisen wrote: We've done that. This particular tower has 12 AP's on it. It's in a noisy environment as well. We sent

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

The filtering on the 450i can definitely help the uplink interference problem. If it's co-channel interference, you're not likely to see a big improvement though. You do get a hell of a lot better adjacent channel rejection though. You say 12 APs. Is that the 1.21 Gigatower arrangement? 6 in

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

It sounds more or less like it's time to look at setting up more pops or micropops. On Jan 19, 2017 10:54 AM, "Eric Muehleisen" wrote: > We've done that. This particular tower has 12 AP's on it. It's in a noisy > environment as well. We sent out our techs to improve many

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

We've done that. This particular tower has 12 AP's on it. It's in a noisy environment as well. We sent out our techs to improve many of the 1x & 2x subs and only gained about 5mb/s. It was a lot of effort with very little payoff. Our techs have a better understanding of what poor SM's can do to

Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

It sounds like you have a lot of weak signal clients. You should see the AP max out at 50-60mbps but only if the majority of clients are 6x or 8x. Can you add stingers or dishes to the SMs?? The 450i will give you more PPS but that's probably not the issue. I would just add another 450AP aimed

[AFMUG] 450 vs 450i

We currently have a pile of 450 AP's that top out around 100% downlink utilization which gives us between 30-35mb/s downlink capacity. We are considering the 450m but doesn't make sense, cost wise, in many of our locations. What kind of improvement you think you would see by upgrading to 450i AP?

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5e Patch Cables

Third recommendation for monoprice. Why does this question come up so frequently? On Jan 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Mike Hammett" wrote: > Agreed. Monoprice > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > >

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Thanks for asking the question Eric. Eric Muehleisen wrote: I'm more interested in why you'd want to install an AP inside a fridge. Do tell. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:18 AM, Adam Moffett > wrote: Use an AP intended for outdoors?

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

I think a better question is: What are you trying to accomplish? On Jan 18, 2017 8:36 PM, "Jon Langeler" wrote: > I can't get smokeping to send a ping say every second and only one each > time. Any alternatives or suggestions? > > Jon Langeler > Michwave

Re: [AFMUG] Ping monitoring?

Jon, That would probably crush Smokeping pretty fast - I've used it quite a bit, and I don't think it's built to support pinging every second to any decent amount of devices. From a physics standpoint, it would have to be able to send every ping and receive a response within a second in order

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Am I missing something here? Even a Mikrotik HAP-AC is good for -4f to 150f Why do you need something special. Once it's acclimated to the temperature, it really won't change will it? On 1/19/2017 8:46 AM, Robert wrote: Think how big the walk(drive) in freezer is for a major ice cream

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Think how big the walk(drive) in freezer is for a major ice cream manufacturer... Dryers for example.. On 1/19/17 6:03 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Walk in freezers can be as small or large (10,000 sq ft). Most common use, I am guessing, would be for a hand-held inventory management

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

That is a possibility..but not necessary... Depends on the type of freezer... some of them are like pods (shipping container style) .. Other are simply refrigerated sections of a large warehouse... Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel:

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Ah. That makes sense. How about placing the radio outside but running coax and antenna inside? On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 8:03 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > Walk in freezers can be as small or large (10,000 sq ft). > > Most common use, I am guessing, would be for a hand-held

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Walk in freezers can be as small or large (10,000 sq ft). Most common use, I am guessing, would be for a hand-held inventory management (scanning/reporting) device. or some-sort of portable communication (phone, notebook etc).. :) Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

http://www.refrigeratedfrozenfood.com/articles/88732-wi-fi-solution-for-cold-harsh-environments This should give you some ideas... Personally, I think any outdoor unit will be fine.. Considering a deployment in Minnesota could be considered to be a 'inside a freezer' for more than 6 months

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

I'm more interested in why you'd want to install an AP inside a fridge. Do tell. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:18 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > Use an AP intended for outdoors? > > Ought to be resistant to the temperature and moisture by design.or so > we would hope. > > >

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Agreed I’d just use an outdoor rated AP Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Moxa has solution for these type applications On Jan 19, 2017 3:24 AM, "TJ Trout" wrote: > Can somebody give me some ideas on how you would install an access point > inside of a refrigerator or freezer walk-in type and keep it from getting > moisture damage? >

Re: [AFMUG] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?

Any CCR is fast enough. We still run at 6.30 which is very stable. OSPF + MPLS/VPLS. We lost some CCR1036-12G-4S PSUs. The placement of the PSU is not good for warmer sites. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Gino Villarini Gesendet: Donnerstag, 19. Januar 2017 14:13 An:

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

I would have thought that was a given but yea. Really, most outdoor AP's are rated to what 10 F or something? Most freezers are only just below freezing. On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 6:18 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Use an AP intended for outdoors? > > Ought to be resistant to the

[AFMUG] Which CCR Router OS combo is the most solid?

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Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Use an AP intended for outdoors? Ought to be resistant to the temperature and moisture by design.or so we would hope. -- Original Message -- From: "Lewis Bergman" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 1/19/2017 6:48:14 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi

Re: [AFMUG] Cat5e Patch Cables

Agreed. Monoprice - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Vlad Sedov" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:08:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cat5e Patch

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Moisture in a freezer shouldn't be an issue. You may want to remove the PCB from the case and pre freeze it and the case. Removing moisture is a by product of cooling air humidity should be low I would think. If you are still worried you could pot the PCB. On Jan 19, 2017 4:24 AM, "TJ Trout"

[AFMUG] WiFi inside of a refrigerator

Can somebody give me some ideas on how you would install an access point inside of a refrigerator or freezer walk-in type and keep it from getting moisture damage?