[AFMUG] Thank you Cambium

[Adam Moffett]

Can I just take a moment to say 'thank you' to Cambium for making 
Cnmaestro.


It's what Breezeview would be if Telrad didn't hate me.

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yes there are..

The are called 3R MEDIA Converters or OEO... rather expensive.. $600 to $1000 
for each side, without optics.
It is a lot cheaper to use Ethernet switches to do the conversion (especially 
if you are just using Ethernet.. i.e. no TDM or other requirements).

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

> No to hijack, but are there any simple or managed media converters from SFP+
> 10Gbps SMF to Ethernet/Copper 2.5 and 5Gbps or even 10Gbps over Cat6?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:58 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters
> 
> I ran into this recommendation in a previous post.
> 
> https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABCW6678914=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-9SIABCW6678914=EAIaIQobChMIvbiZn8mW2AIVCgaRCh3EbwoBEAQYASABEgLrrfD_BwE=aw.ds
> 
> Jay Weekley wrote:
>> Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that takes
>> SC connectors.  I've pulled a few recommendations from a previous
>> thread but am looking for a few more.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Then your hand off is going to be on 10G (SMF) or (MM) .based on your 
request.. ... but most likely SMF standard 1310nm 10G 
(The carrier will be doing whatever conversations needed on their side 
(CWDM/DWDM etc).) 

-- 
FYI 
The WAN PHY also incorporates the WAN Interface Sublayer (WIS) to provide a 
simplified SONET framer function as well as the complement of SONET/SDH 
compatible MIBs. The output of the WIS is an OC-192 frame compatible signal. 
The only difference between the LAN PHY and the WAN PHY is the WIS sublayer. 
 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 5:42:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

> This is specifically a wave and not L2 ethernet or MPLS. Also not dark. We 
> lease
> a lot of metro dark but this is a regional connection and I have no need or
> budget for a whole strand on this path.
> I wouldn't mind colored optics, but this is a pretty heavy regional route and 
> I
> doubt anyone is running passive DWDM on it.

> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net >
> wrote:

>> You should ask your provider, what is being handed to you..
>> Terminology means little

>> Are you purchasing a lit circuit ? or a dark fiber / dark channel ?

>> If it is a lit circuit, you can expect / specify the hand-off on either SMF 
>> or
>> MM optics (SMF is more and more common).
>> If you are getting a Dark Fiber / Dark Channel, then ask them what type of
>> optics you need.

>> I highly doubt that you are being sold a dark fiber / dark channel..
>> very likely 10g Lit circuit.. (many carriers use the term Wave to 
>> differentiate
>> between Ethernet / MPLS circuits).

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>>> From: "Carl Peterson" < cpeter...@portnetworks.com >
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:00:54 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

>>> We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure out 
>>> what
>>> the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming we would want 
>>> lan
>>> phys.
>>> Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each end?

>>> --

>>> Carl Peterson

>>> PORT NETWORKS

>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

>>> Baltimore, MD 21202

>>> (410) 637-3707

> --

> Carl Peterson

> PORT NETWORKS

> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

> Baltimore, MD 21202

> (410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

[George Skorup]

I've used a couple of those. Work fine. Typical media converters will 
not let the fiber and copper links run at different speeds, but the 
GT-905 does because it's actually a 2 port managed switch. It does do 
some basic VLAN stuff too, but I think only 16 VIDs can be defined. QinQ 
too, IIRC.


You said SC, but that takes a standard SFP. Unless you are talking 
something like LC to SC patch cables into an existing patch panel. Then 
yeah, it'll work fine.


On 12/19/2017 4:57 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:

I ran into this recommendation in a previous post.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABCW6678914=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-9SIABCW6678914=EAIaIQobChMIvbiZn8mW2AIVCgaRCh3EbwoBEAQYASABEgLrrfD_BwE=aw.ds 



Jay Weekley wrote:
Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that takes 
SC connectors.  I've pulled a few recommendations from a previous 
thread but am looking for a few more.


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Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Joe Novak]

My provider was able to provide me LAN PHY or WAN PHY, we went with LAN PHY
- works fine into a CCR/MX104 chassis - the way I was described it was LAN
PHY is a typical 10G hand off... I'm not sure on why you would use WAN PHY
unless your forced to because that is all the provider's equipment
supports. I believe there is some overhead in WAN PHY, so it can't deliver
a full 10g circuit (wikipedia says somewhere around 9.5g).


Joe

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Thanks Eric, yes a wave on a carriers DWDM chassis.  That takes us back to
> my original question.  LAN PHY vs WAN phy.  Is there any reason to use
> WANPHY assuming I am just connecting a couple of MXs in two different data
> centers?  My thinking is no but I put this out after a couple providers
> came back with WANPHY on their quotes.
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> If you're describing a wave service provisioned on a carrier's DWDM
>> chassis, for 10G, the ethernet handoff on each side will almost certainly
>> be 1310nm/LX. You also need to understand whether it's been built using
>> LANPHY or WANPHY (eg: is it an OC192 built on a legacy system or is it a
>> native 10Gb Ethernet circuit).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Carl Peterson <
>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This is specifically a wave and not L2 ethernet or MPLS.  Also not
>>> dark.  We lease a lot of metro dark but this is a regional connection and I
>>> have no need or budget for a whole strand on this path.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't mind colored optics, but this is a pretty heavy regional
>>> route and I doubt anyone is running passive DWDM on it.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz >> > wrote:
>>>
 You should ask your provider, what is being handed to you..
 Terminology means little

 Are you purchasing a lit circuit ? or a dark fiber / dark channel ?

 If it is a lit circuit, you can expect / specify the hand-off on either
 SMF or MM optics (SMF is more and more common).
 If you are getting a Dark Fiber / Dark Channel, then ask them what type
 of optics you need.

 I highly doubt that you are being sold a dark fiber / dark channel..
 very likely 10g Lit circuit.. (many carriers use the term Wave to
 differentiate between Ethernet / MPLS circuits).

 Regards.

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 http://www.snappytelecom.net

 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net

 --

 *From: *"Carl Peterson" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:00:54 PM
 *Subject: *[AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

 We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure
 out what the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming we
 would want lan phys.
 Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each
 end?


 --

 Carl Peterson

 *PORT NETWORKS*

 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
 

 Baltimore, MD 21202
 

 (410) 637-3707


>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Carl Peterson
>>>
>>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>>
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>> 
>>>
>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>> 
>>>
>>> (410) 637-3707
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Carl Peterson]

Thanks Eric, yes a wave on a carriers DWDM chassis.  That takes us back to
my original question.  LAN PHY vs WAN phy.  Is there any reason to use
WANPHY assuming I am just connecting a couple of MXs in two different data
centers?  My thinking is no but I put this out after a couple providers
came back with WANPHY on their quotes.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> If you're describing a wave service provisioned on a carrier's DWDM
> chassis, for 10G, the ethernet handoff on each side will almost certainly
> be 1310nm/LX. You also need to understand whether it's been built using
> LANPHY or WANPHY (eg: is it an OC192 built on a legacy system or is it a
> native 10Gb Ethernet circuit).
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Carl Peterson  > wrote:
>
>> This is specifically a wave and not L2 ethernet or MPLS.  Also not dark.
>> We lease a lot of metro dark but this is a regional connection and I have
>> no need or budget for a whole strand on this path.
>>
>> I wouldn't mind colored optics, but this is a pretty heavy regional route
>> and I doubt anyone is running passive DWDM on it.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You should ask your provider, what is being handed to you..
>>> Terminology means little
>>>
>>> Are you purchasing a lit circuit ? or a dark fiber / dark channel ?
>>>
>>> If it is a lit circuit, you can expect / specify the hand-off on either
>>> SMF or MM optics (SMF is more and more common).
>>> If you are getting a Dark Fiber / Dark Channel, then ask them what type
>>> of optics you need.
>>>
>>> I highly doubt that you are being sold a dark fiber / dark channel..
>>> very likely 10g Lit circuit.. (many carriers use the term Wave to
>>> differentiate between Ethernet / MPLS circuits).
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Carl Peterson" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:00:54 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy
>>>
>>> We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure
>>> out what the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming we
>>> would want lan phys.
>>> Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each
>>> end?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Carl Peterson
>>>
>>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>>
>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>>> 
>>>
>>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>>> 
>>>
>>> (410) 637-3707
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>> 
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>> 
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

[Sterling Jacobson]

No to hijack, but are there any simple or managed media converters from SFP+ 
10Gbps SMF to Ethernet/Copper 2.5 and 5Gbps or even 10Gbps over Cat6?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 3:58 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

I ran into this recommendation in a previous post.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABCW6678914=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-9SIABCW6678914=EAIaIQobChMIvbiZn8mW2AIVCgaRCh3EbwoBEAQYASABEgLrrfD_BwE=aw.ds

Jay Weekley wrote:
> Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that takes 
> SC connectors.  I've pulled a few recommendations from a previous 
> thread but am looking for a few more.
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> http://www.avg.com
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Eric Kuhnke]

If you're describing a wave service provisioned on a carrier's DWDM
chassis, for 10G, the ethernet handoff on each side will almost certainly
be 1310nm/LX. You also need to understand whether it's been built using
LANPHY or WANPHY (eg: is it an OC192 built on a legacy system or is it a
native 10Gb Ethernet circuit).





On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> This is specifically a wave and not L2 ethernet or MPLS.  Also not dark.
> We lease a lot of metro dark but this is a regional connection and I have
> no need or budget for a whole strand on this path.
>
> I wouldn't mind colored optics, but this is a pretty heavy regional route
> and I doubt anyone is running passive DWDM on it.
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> You should ask your provider, what is being handed to you..
>> Terminology means little
>>
>> Are you purchasing a lit circuit ? or a dark fiber / dark channel ?
>>
>> If it is a lit circuit, you can expect / specify the hand-off on either
>> SMF or MM optics (SMF is more and more common).
>> If you are getting a Dark Fiber / Dark Channel, then ask them what type
>> of optics you need.
>>
>> I highly doubt that you are being sold a dark fiber / dark channel..
>> very likely 10g Lit circuit.. (many carriers use the term Wave to
>> differentiate between Ethernet / MPLS circuits).
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Carl Peterson" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:00:54 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy
>>
>> We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure
>> out what the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming we
>> would want lan phys.
>> Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each
>> end?
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Carl Peterson
>>
>> *PORT NETWORKS*
>>
>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>> 
>>
>> Baltimore, MD 21202
>> 
>>
>> (410) 637-3707
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber media converters

[Jay Weekley]

I ran into this recommendation in a previous post.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIABCW6678914=1_mc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC_mmc=KNC-GoogleMKP-PC-_-pla-_-Network+-+Transceivers-_-9SIABCW6678914=EAIaIQobChMIvbiZn8mW2AIVCgaRCh3EbwoBEAQYASABEgLrrfD_BwE=aw.ds

Jay Weekley wrote:
Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that takes 
SC connectors.  I've pulled a few recommendations from a previous 
thread but am looking for a few more.


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Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Carl Peterson]

This is specifically a wave and not L2 ethernet or MPLS.  Also not dark.
We lease a lot of metro dark but this is a regional connection and I have
no need or budget for a whole strand on this path.

I wouldn't mind colored optics, but this is a pretty heavy regional route
and I doubt anyone is running passive DWDM on it.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 5:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> You should ask your provider, what is being handed to you..
> Terminology means little
>
> Are you purchasing a lit circuit ? or a dark fiber / dark channel ?
>
> If it is a lit circuit, you can expect / specify the hand-off on either
> SMF or MM optics (SMF is more and more common).
> If you are getting a Dark Fiber / Dark Channel, then ask them what type of
> optics you need.
>
> I highly doubt that you are being sold a dark fiber / dark channel..
> very likely 10g Lit circuit.. (many carriers use the term Wave to
> differentiate between Ethernet / MPLS circuits).
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Carl Peterson" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:00:54 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy
>
> We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure out
> what the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming we would
> want lan phys.
> Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each end?
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410) 637-3707
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

[AFMUG] Fiber media converters

[Jay Weekley]

Looking for recommendations for a gigabit media converter that takes SC 
connectors.  I've pulled a few recommendations from a previous thread 
but am looking for a few more.

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Rory Conaway]

It works well.  We couldn’t do much until they finished the backend billing 
system for us but it’s done.  Let me know if there is anything you need.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 2:15 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

What is the deal with Viva?  What can they provide?  How well is it working…

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

We are working with Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Rory Conaway]

Viva doesn’t do local channels unfortunately.  It works pretty well though.  It 
also supports phones and Roku devices as well as any android device.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 12:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

can viva offer the denver local channels?

all we need is the denver broncos and the olympics honestly.  we have a lot of 
potential customers that don't want to switch from comcast because they still 
need them to get their TV.  by offering our own IPTV we can then go after that 
cable market more aggressively.  there is no over the air TV available in our 
area (mountains of CO).

-sean

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
We are working with Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Faisal Imtiaz]

You should ask your provider, what is being handed to you.. 
Terminology means little 

Are you purchasing a lit circuit ? or a dark fiber / dark channel ? 

If it is a lit circuit, you can expect / specify the hand-off on either SMF or 
MM optics (SMF is more and more common). 
If you are getting a Dark Fiber / Dark Channel, then ask them what type of 
optics you need. 

I highly doubt that you are being sold a dark fiber / dark channel.. 
very likely 10g Lit circuit.. (many carriers use the term Wave to differentiate 
between Ethernet / MPLS circuits). 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Carl Peterson" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 1:00:54 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

> We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure out 
> what
> the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming we would want 
> lan
> phys.
> Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each end?

> --

> Carl Peterson

> PORT NETWORKS

> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

> Baltimore, MD 21202

> (410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Guest access/mode on customer routers

[Dave]

Ah..
So a vlan like ssid with qos would work... I tried this with E400 and it 
seems to have a hard time being a router.

Router behind it works fine for this.
I could see a need for this on the R20xx routers but im sure some more 
memory and cpu would be needed to accommodate this.




On 12/19/2017 01:55 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I couldn't care less about the QOS - it's the access to my 
subnet/network that I don't like.  The way Ubnt does it is just 
BEAUTIFUL with a layer 2firewall?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:15 PM, David > wrote:


You could just open up another ssid with new PSK

I have requested a feature for the R20xx series to do a QOS limit
per SSID



On 12/18/2017 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I'm not really interested in it for 99% of my customers. 
However, the odd one here or there it would be nice to enable
with option 66 or something.

I'd also like to have it for my house, but I can do it with any
one of a million devices easily.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Justin Wilson > wrote:

I do this with unified and a controller.  I now have a cloudy.

There is a thread on the cambium forum I am following that
talks about guest access on the r series platform but there
have been no updates from anyone at Cambium in awhile.  I
will followup.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net 

www.mtin.net 
www.midwest-ix.com 


On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Does anyone do this at all?  Wondering if it makes any
sense.  I know I'd like it at my house with the r200 routers
as I don't want to give up my PSK to random people.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373










--

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[SmarterBroadband]

What is the deal with Viva?  What can they provide?  How well is it working…

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

We are working with Viva Entertainment.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

 

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers. 

 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett  > wrote:

Hi Chris,

 

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

 

-sean

 

 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien  > wrote:

They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you 
like. 

 

Chris Fabien

LakeNet LLC

 

 

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  > wrote:

Hello AF gang,

 

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

 

Thanks!

 

-Sean

 

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Cnmaestro - move device between networks

[Josh Luthman]

Someone didn't hit the onboard key.

It's private IP that can't access the Internet/server.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 19, 2017 2:56 PM, "Jerry Head"  wrote:

> Why would the AP not be in Cnmaestro?
> Ever?
>
> On 12/19/2017 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> What a tragic oversight...
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> i have to leave mine in the default folder, same with epmp in ptp mode,
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well shit so if the AP isn't there I can't move the SM?  Oh lord...
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 one at a time is just edit the device (AP only) SM stays under its AP

 On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Any one have any idea?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>


>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cnmaestro - move device between networks

[Adam Moffett]

I also would like to understand the circumstance.at least so I can 
avoid it happening.

Did the AP get replaced or something?

-- Original Message --
From: "Jerry Head" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/19/2017 2:56:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cnmaestro - move device between networks


Why would the AP not be in Cnmaestro?
Ever?

On 12/19/2017 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What a tragic oversight...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
i have to leave mine in the default folder, same with epmp in ptp 
mode,


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Well shit so if the AP isn't there I can't move the SM?  Oh lord...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 

Suite 1337 

Troy, OH 45373 



On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Steve Jones 
 wrote:
one at a time is just edit the device (AP only) SM stays under its 
AP


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Luthman 
 wrote:

Any one have any idea?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 

Suite 1337 

Troy, OH 45373 

Re: [AFMUG] Cnmaestro - move device between networks

[Jerry Head]

Why would the AP not be in Cnmaestro?
Ever?

On 12/19/2017 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

What a tragic oversight...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:


i have to leave mine in the default folder, same with epmp in ptp
mode,

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman
>
wrote:

Well shit so if the AP isn't there I can't move the SM?  Oh
lord...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373



On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Steve Jones
>
wrote:

one at a time is just edit the device (AP only) SM stays
under its AP

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Luthman
> wrote:

Any one have any idea?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373

Re: [AFMUG] Guest access/mode on customer routers

[Josh Luthman]

I couldn't care less about the QOS - it's the access to my subnet/network
that I don't like.  The way Ubnt does it is just BEAUTIFUL with a layer
2firewall?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 11:15 PM, David  wrote:

> You could just open up another ssid with new PSK
>
> I have requested a feature for the R20xx series to do a QOS limit per SSID
>
>
>
> On 12/18/2017 3:21 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I'm not really interested in it for 99% of my customers.  However, the odd
> one here or there it would be nice to enable with option 66 or something.
>
> I'd also like to have it for my house, but I can do it with any one of a
> million devices easily.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>
>> I do this with unified and a controller.  I now have a cloudy.
>>
>> There is a thread on the cambium forum I am following that talks about
>> guest access on the r series platform but there have been no updates from
>> anyone at Cambium in awhile.  I will followup.
>>
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>> www.mtin.net
>> www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017, at 10:44 PM, Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone do this at all?  Wondering if it makes any sense.  I know I'd
>> like it at my house with the r200 routers as I don't want to give up my PSK
>> to random people.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cnmaestro - move device between networks

[Josh Luthman]

What a tragic oversight...


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> i have to leave mine in the default folder, same with epmp in ptp mode,
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Well shit so if the AP isn't there I can't move the SM?  Oh lord...
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> one at a time is just edit the device (AP only) SM stays under its AP
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Any one have any idea?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Used Licensed Gear

[Sean Heskett]

we upgraded to SAF Integra-W 18GHz links.  the dragonwaves would do
~350Mbps @ 256 QAM in a 50MHz channel, the SAF Integra-W does 643Mbps @
1024QAM in an 80MHz channel.

-sean


On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Colin Stanners 
wrote:

> If you don't mind me asking, what did you upgrade to?
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> we have about 10 complete links of dragonwave horizon compact plus 18GHz
>> if you're interested.
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> Other than SWG, where are you guys seeing used licensed gear available?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Used Licensed Gear

[Colin Stanners]

If you don't mind me asking, what did you upgrade to?

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> we have about 10 complete links of dragonwave horizon compact plus 18GHz
> if you're interested.
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> Other than SWG, where are you guys seeing used licensed gear available?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SFP compatibility with Mikrotik ccr1072

[Stefan Englhardt]

Regardless what you do you have to test and hope.

 

We have a Lumina Link with builtin fiber. On one side a netonix-switch with a 
Mikrotik SFP had the problem that Lumina shows half-duplex and some errors. 
After upgrading Netonix this seems to be ok.

Upgrading the Lumina make the connection on the other side (KTI-Switch with 
LevelOne SFP) fail while the Netonix side still works. Links up but no data 
flow. Downgrading the Luminas made it working again.

 

So there are different kinds of incompatibility and they depend on used 
Firmware. Where possible I use good old Ethernet …

 

 

Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Steve Jones
Gesendet: Dienstag, 19. Dezember 2017 16:12
An: af@afmug.com
Betreff: [AFMUG] SAF SFP compatibility with Mikrotik ccr1072

 

we are quoted I0AOM001 - N on an integra link. I dont see this module listed on 
the mikrotik compatibility chart. Has anybody here used them with the ccr1072?

 

I apparently need to do LACP bonding as well. Im debating on whether to do this 
in our procurve switches (which seem compatible with everything) or to do it in 
the router directly

 

Never done it so i dont know if its a good idea to combine mikrotik quirks with 
unknown compatible modules with a technique Ive never done

Re: [AFMUG] Used Licensed Gear

[Sean Heskett]

we have about 10 complete links of dragonwave horizon compact plus 18GHz if
you're interested.

-sean


On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Other than SWG, where are you guys seeing used licensed gear available?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Sean Heskett]

can viva offer the denver local channels?

all we need is the denver broncos and the olympics honestly.  we have a lot
of potential customers that don't want to switch from comcast because they
still need them to get their TV.  by offering our own IPTV we can then go
after that cable market more aggressively.  there is no over the air TV
available in our area (mountains of CO).

-sean

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> We are working with Viva Entertainment.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV
>
>
>
> I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting
> close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't
> see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of
> pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another
> option that I thought would work for my customers.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
>
>
> thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others
> which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup
> but if they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
> close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
> bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
> have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
> flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
> good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
> communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
> discuss more offlist if you like.
>
>
>
> Chris Fabien
>
> LakeNet LLC
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Hello AF gang,
>
>
>
> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] First time

[chuck]

I was a cable splicer in a prior life.  Got hired on at a university and paired 
up with one of their telecom guys.  First job was in an underground pipe chase 
to splice a 25 pair.  The guy kept repeatedly asking me what color a wire was.  
Finally he admitted he was color blind and begged me to keep it under my hat.  
I did.  He had a reputation as being a lousy splicer and making many  mistakes. 
 

From: Adair Winter 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] First time

We had a guy we used to work with. He was semi color blind, he used to tell 
people he could feel the colors on the 25/50pr.. ha

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  As a colorblind person that cable sounds AWESOME!!!  

  I’ll never forget when my boss at Lockheed wanted me to punch down a 50pair 
臘‍♂️

  -Sean


  On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:31 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

I had an occasion this weekend to add a PLC as a controller for the shared 
resources in the manufacturing facility - i.e. compressor, exhaust system, etc. 
   Everything is set up so that when a machine gets turned on, all of the 
resources that that machine needs is turned on.   Some safety stuff has been 
added as well, such as there is now a pressure sensor on the air compressor 
which should trip if the compressor 'sticks on' as it tends to do when the 
pressure switch fails, causing all sorts of excitement.

It definitely made me long for the automation/controller stuff I did in a 
previous life - a lot similar to the stuff you're doing.   It also made me long 
for a few sticks of panduit raceway/duct since things are not nearly as pretty 
as I would have liked.   Well, that and all of the supplies/tools you need to 
really make something like this look professional.   As it is, it's more 
functional than pretty.

I did have a surprise though, I bought some multiconductor control cable to 
run from the PLC to a control/status panel.  Every time I've ever used this in 
the past, the conductors are all different colors.  This cable was all black 
wires with the wire numbers written on the wire itself.  Never had seen this 
style.  After I got over my 'This isn't what I expected' grumpiness, I decided 
it was probably ok, although it did take a bit of time to find the first few 
wires.  I'm just glad my close-up vision hasn't failed me yet.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  First time wiring up a Schneider VFD...the terminal block was easy to 
work with and took about an hour on each of two I did this morning.


  Jaime Solorza




-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 







-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

[chuck]

I was and still am 100% OK with that.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:12 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

I wonder how many people espousing opinions even read the rules.  

A key point was the "reasonable network management", which I thought was vague 
until I actually read the read rules and saw how they defined it. You could do 
anything you'd normally want to do as long as your decisions were driven by 
technical reasons, and you disclosed it so the buyer could understand what 
they're purchasing.  If the decisions were undisclosed or driven by purely 
business reasons, THEN it was an issue.  

The main problem I saw was that they had opened a path for an onerous set of 
rules, and while the previous commission said they would apply title II with a 
light touch, they can only keep that promise until the next set of 
commissioners is appointed.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/19/2017 10:57:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

  Not me.

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:26 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

  Ok, but who found the rules onerous?


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Tim Reichhart" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 12/19/2017 10:20:05 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

they dont know jack how we all operate are own networks.







--
  -Original Message-
  From: "Steve Jones" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Date: 12/19/17 10:13
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports


  "Wireless service providers come up way short in bandwidth capacity 
compared to their fiber/cable competitors. So it's no surprise they favor an 
environment where they can discriminate on traffic and demand tolls, in the 
form of paid prioritization, lest ye traffic be throttled" 


  This though.





  On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:


https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/WISPA-Cheers-the-Death-of-Net-Neutrality-140905
 

[AFMUG] OT Jack in the Box sells Qdoba for $305

[Jaime Solorza]

I will put my wife's Chile con queso over any of these two wannabe Mexican
food places.   I shared a picture of ingredients last week on list.
http://www.businessinsider.com/jack-in-the-box-sells-qdoba-for-305-million-2017-12
Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

[Steve Jones]

I thought so as well when i saw them at home depot

On Dec 19, 2017 12:08 PM, "Jerry Head"  wrote:

> Thanks, I could have sworn I read on the back packaging of a set of
> Platinum Tools crimpers "made by KleinTools"
> a few years ago...Must have dreamed it.
>
> On 12/19/2017 12:03 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Here you go.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 19, 2017 10:50 AM, "Jerry Head"  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jaime,
>> Would it be possible to post a picture of the back of that package?
>> I have a theory I would like to confirm.
>>
>> On 12/19/2017 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>> Got these at Cable Source for 78.00
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017 10:59 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Like this
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Dec 15, 2017 10:45 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We moved to all Shireen stuff, the EZ connectors make it more accurate
 and faster.  It's a couple bucks more but well worth it considering time is
 expensive.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 
 Suite 1337
 
 Troy, OH 45373
 

 On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <
 fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

> Have you seen Jaime's work ?
>
> While using factory terminated patch cables, saves times.. but it is
> not easy to have the meticulous, neat and organized cable runs, cause each
> one has to be sized accordingly.
>
> :)
>
> To each their own !
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <%28305%29%20663-5518>
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:24:48 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work
>
> other than experiencing some really questionable gigabit connectivity
> issues and maddening issues with packetflux sync, on POPs i only see rj45
> ends valuabled in top end cross connects and radio terminations, 
> everything
> else should be punched down to cat5/6 inserts and factory terminated patch
> cables
> why touch your cabling infrastructure?
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Steve Jones <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> the biggest cause of failure is not maintaining the blades on ez
>> crimpers. Fresh blades and the ends have zero non ID10T errors (if using
>> the real connectors and not knock offs)
>> moisture --- if you have a drop of water in the connector, its not
>> the connector thats the issue
>> the brown is normally the first indicator, it catches doesnt fully
>> cleave, instinct is to pull it off --- you just uncrimped that pin
>> the next thing is they start beveling --- now moisture can be an
>> issue, but more than likely that scorch, its cause you took a small surge
>> that arced or you are directly shorting (the copper likes to hide behind
>> the remaining insulation
>>
>> maintain your blades, they chew through blades fast
>>
>> dont use cable thats too snug on the insulation, it can roll the
>> crimp, but the garbage cable is probably going to be a problem anyway
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not having issue with moisture...the cable slide guides on some
>>> allow cables to be pinched enough to fail even though pin out is 
>>> correct.
>>>  For now I am going to attribute to my bad Hombre crimperI like 
>>> Klein
>>> so I will buy one this week.  Thanks for heads up
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Dec 13, 2017 4:34 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Jaime,

 We have been using Platinum tools crimper for their ez-45 jacks.
 (last 10 years or so ? )
 Not sure which Klein model you are looking at, I would not be
 surprised if the Klein is an oem by Platinum Tools.

 In regards to comments about moisture and shorting ... cannot say
 we have seen that as a functional/design defect of using ez-rj45
 connectors.

 Most moisture & water intrusions are due to other issues..
 (p.s. there is a valid reason why 

Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

[Jerry Head]

Thanks, I could have sworn I read on the back packaging of a set of 
Platinum Tools crimpers "made by KleinTools"

a few years ago...Must have dreamed it.

On 12/19/2017 12:03 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Here you go.

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 19, 2017 10:50 AM, "Jerry Head" > wrote:


Hi Jaime,
Would it be possible to post a picture of the back of that package?
I have a theory I would like to confirm.

On 12/19/2017 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Got these at Cable Source for 78.00

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 10:59 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
> wrote:

Like this

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 10:45 AM, "Josh Luthman"
> wrote:

We moved to all Shireen stuff, the EZ connectors make it
more accurate and faster.  It's a couple bucks more but
well worth it considering time is expensive.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
> wrote:

Have you seen Jaime's work ?

While using factory terminated patch cables, saves
times.. but it is not easy to have the meticulous,
neat and organized cable runs, cause each one has to
be sized accordingly.

:)

To each their own !

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 
Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net





*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:24:48 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

other than experiencing some really questionable
gigabit connectivity issues and maddening issues
with packetflux sync, on POPs i only see rj45
ends valuabled in top end cross connects and
radio terminations, everything else should be
punched down to cat5/6 inserts and factory
terminated patch cables
why touch your cabling infrastructure?

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

the biggest cause of failure is not
maintaining the blades on ez crimpers. Fresh
blades and the ends have zero non ID10T
errors (if using the real connectors and not
knock offs)
moisture --- if you have a drop of water in
the connector, its not the connector thats
the issue
the brown is normally the first indicator, it
catches doesnt fully cleave, instinct is to
pull it off --- you just uncrimped that pin
the next thing is they start beveling --- now
moisture can be an issue, but more than
likely that scorch, its cause you took a
small surge that arced or you are directly
shorting (the copper likes to hide behind the
remaining insulation

maintain your blades, they chew through
blades fast

dont use cable thats too snug on the
insulation, it can roll the crimp, but the
garbage cable is probably going to be a
problem anyway


On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 

Re: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Adam Moffett]

I bet you'll need WDM optics, of whatever color they tell you.


-- Original Message --
From: "Carl Peterson" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/19/2017 1:00:54 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure 
out what the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming 
we would want lan phys.


Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each 
end?



--
Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

[AFMUG] 10g wave lan phy vs 10g wan phy

[Carl Peterson]

We are about to sign a contract on a 10G wave and I'm trying to figure out
what the wan phys should be and whats the difference. I'm assuming we would
want lan phys.

Does this make sense and would we just use normal 10G optics on each end?


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

[Jaime Solorza]

Give me a second...

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 19, 2017 10:50 AM, "Jerry Head"  wrote:

> Hi Jaime,
> Would it be possible to post a picture of the back of that package?
> I have a theory I would like to confirm.
>
> On 12/19/2017 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
> Got these at Cable Source for 78.00
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 15, 2017 10:59 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Like this
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Dec 15, 2017 10:45 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We moved to all Shireen stuff, the EZ connectors make it more accurate
>>> and faster.  It's a couple bucks more but well worth it considering time is
>>> expensive.
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> 
>>> Suite 1337
>>> 
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz >> > wrote:
>>>
 Have you seen Jaime's work ?

 While using factory terminated patch cables, saves times.. but it is
 not easy to have the meticulous, neat and organized cable runs, cause each
 one has to be sized accordingly.

 :)

 To each their own !

 Regards

 Faisal Imtiaz
 Snappy Internet & Telecom
 http://www.snappytelecom.net

 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <%28305%29%20663-5518>

 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
 supp...@snappytelecom.net

 --

 *From: *"Steve Jones" 
 *To: *af@afmug.com
 *Sent: *Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:24:48 AM

 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

 other than experiencing some really questionable gigabit connectivity
 issues and maddening issues with packetflux sync, on POPs i only see rj45
 ends valuabled in top end cross connects and radio terminations, everything
 else should be punched down to cat5/6 inserts and factory terminated patch
 cables
 why touch your cabling infrastructure?

 On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

> the biggest cause of failure is not maintaining the blades on ez
> crimpers. Fresh blades and the ends have zero non ID10T errors (if using
> the real connectors and not knock offs)
> moisture --- if you have a drop of water in the connector, its not the
> connector thats the issue
> the brown is normally the first indicator, it catches doesnt fully
> cleave, instinct is to pull it off --- you just uncrimped that pin
> the next thing is they start beveling --- now moisture can be an
> issue, but more than likely that scorch, its cause you took a small surge
> that arced or you are directly shorting (the copper likes to hide behind
> the remaining insulation
>
> maintain your blades, they chew through blades fast
>
> dont use cable thats too snug on the insulation, it can roll the
> crimp, but the garbage cable is probably going to be a problem anyway
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Not having issue with moisture...the cable slide guides on some allow
>> cables to be pinched enough to fail even though pin out is correct.   For
>> now I am going to attribute to my bad Hombre crimperI like Klein so I
>> will buy one this week.  Thanks for heads up
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Dec 13, 2017 4:34 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jaime,
>>>
>>> We have been using Platinum tools crimper for their ez-45 jacks.
>>> (last 10 years or so ? )
>>> Not sure which Klein model you are looking at, I would not be
>>> surprised if the Klein is an oem by Platinum Tools.
>>>
>>> In regards to comments about moisture and shorting ... cannot say we
>>> have seen that as a functional/design defect of using ez-rj45 
>>> connectors.
>>>
>>> Most moisture & water intrusions are due to other issues..
>>> (p.s. there is a valid reason why Mimosa includes a small tube of
>>> 'superlube' with their radios... it works surprising well in keeping the
>>> moisture out of the connector, we have started using it more 
>>> 'religiously'
>>> )
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <%28305%29%20663-5518>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <%28305%29%20663-5518> Option 2 or 

Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

[Jerry Head]

Hi Jaime,
Would it be possible to post a picture of the back of that package?
I have a theory I would like to confirm.

On 12/19/2017 11:42 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:

Got these at Cable Source for 78.00

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 10:59 AM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:


Like this

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 15, 2017 10:45 AM, "Josh Luthman"
>
wrote:

We moved to all Shireen stuff, the EZ connectors make it more
accurate and faster.  It's a couple bucks more but well worth
it considering time is expensive.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St


Suite 1337


Troy, OH 45373



On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:39 AM, Faisal Imtiaz
>
wrote:

Have you seen Jaime's work ?

While using factory terminated patch cables, saves times..
but it is not easy to have the meticulous, neat and
organized cable runs, cause each one has to be sized
accordingly.

:)

To each their own !

Regards

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option
2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




*From: *"Steve Jones" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Thursday, December 14, 2017 2:24:48 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cable crimpers for RJ-45 work

other than experiencing some really questionable
gigabit connectivity issues and maddening issues with
packetflux sync, on POPs i only see rj45 ends
valuabled in top end cross connects and radio
terminations, everything else should be punched down
to cat5/6 inserts and factory terminated patch cables
why touch your cabling infrastructure?

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Steve Jones
> wrote:

the biggest cause of failure is not maintaining
the blades on ez crimpers. Fresh blades and the
ends have zero non ID10T errors (if using the real
connectors and not knock offs)
moisture --- if you have a drop of water in the
connector, its not the connector thats the issue
the brown is normally the first indicator, it
catches doesnt fully cleave, instinct is to pull
it off --- you just uncrimped that pin
the next thing is they start beveling --- now
moisture can be an issue, but more than likely
that scorch, its cause you took a small surge that
arced or you are directly shorting (the copper
likes to hide behind the remaining insulation

maintain your blades, they chew through blades fast

dont use cable thats too snug on the insulation,
it can roll the crimp, but the garbage cable is
probably going to be a problem anyway


On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Jaime Solorza
> wrote:

Not having issue with moisture...the cable
slide guides on some allow cables to be
pinched enough to fail even though pin out is
correct.   For now I am going to attribute to
my bad Hombre crimperI like Klein so I
will buy one this week.  Thanks for heads up

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 13, 2017 4:34 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz"
> wrote:

Jaime,

We have 

Re: [AFMUG] First time

[Adair Winter]

We had a guy we used to work with. He was semi color blind, he used to tell
people he could feel the colors on the 25/50pr.. ha

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> As a colorblind person that cable sounds AWESOME!!!
>
> I’ll never forget when my boss at Lockheed wanted me to punch down a
> 50pair 臘‍♂️
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:31 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I had an occasion this weekend to add a PLC as a controller for the
>> shared resources in the manufacturing facility - i.e. compressor, exhaust
>> system, etc.Everything is set up so that when a machine gets turned on,
>> all of the resources that that machine needs is turned on.   Some safety
>> stuff has been added as well, such as there is now a pressure sensor on the
>> air compressor which should trip if the compressor 'sticks on' as it tends
>> to do when the pressure switch fails, causing all sorts of excitement.
>>
>> It definitely made me long for the automation/controller stuff I did in a
>> previous life - a lot similar to the stuff you're doing.   It also made me
>> long for a few sticks of panduit raceway/duct since things are not nearly
>> as pretty as I would have liked.   Well, that and all of the supplies/tools
>> you need to really make something like this look professional.   As it is,
>> it's more functional than pretty.
>>
>> I did have a surprise though, I bought some multiconductor control cable
>> to run from the PLC to a control/status panel.  Every time I've ever used
>> this in the past, the conductors are all different colors.  This cable was
>> all black wires with the wire numbers written on the wire itself.  Never
>> had seen this style.  After I got over my 'This isn't what I expected'
>> grumpiness, I decided it was probably ok, although it did take a bit of
>> time to find the first few wires.  I'm just glad my close-up vision hasn't
>> failed me yet.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> First time wiring up a Schneider VFD...the terminal block was easy to
>>> work with and took about an hour on each of two I did this morning.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>


-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

[Jason McKemie]

This last thing you mentioned was the main problem I had with it.  Seemed
like a road to pushing out small business with regulation.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I wonder how many people espousing opinions even read the rules.
>
> A key point was the "reasonable network management", which I thought was
> vague until I actually read the read rules and saw how they defined it. You
> could do anything you'd normally want to do as long as your decisions were
> driven by *technical *reasons, and you disclosed it so the buyer could
> understand what they're purchasing.  If the decisions were undisclosed or
> driven by purely business reasons, THEN it was an issue.
>
> The main problem I saw was that they had opened a path for an onerous set
> of rules, and while the previous commission said they would apply title II
> with a light touch, they can only keep that promise until the next set of
> commissioners is appointed.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/19/2017 10:57:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports
>
> Not me.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports
>
> Ok, but who found the rules onerous?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/19/2017 10:20:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports
>
>
> they dont know jack how we all operate are own networks.
>
>
>
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 12/19/17 10:13
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports
>
> "Wireless service providers come up way short in bandwidth capacity
> compared to their fiber/cable competitors. So it's no surprise they favor
> an environment where they can discriminate on traffic and demand tolls, in
> the form of paid prioritization, lest ye traffic be throttled"
>
> This though.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Tim Reichhart <
> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>
>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/WISPA-Cheers-the-Death-
>> of-Net-Neutrality-140905
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] First time

[Sean Heskett]

As a colorblind person that cable sounds AWESOME!!!

I’ll never forget when my boss at Lockheed wanted me to punch down a 50pair
臘‍♂️

-Sean


On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 3:31 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I had an occasion this weekend to add a PLC as a controller for the shared
> resources in the manufacturing facility - i.e. compressor, exhaust system,
> etc.Everything is set up so that when a machine gets turned on, all of
> the resources that that machine needs is turned on.   Some safety stuff has
> been added as well, such as there is now a pressure sensor on the air
> compressor which should trip if the compressor 'sticks on' as it tends to
> do when the pressure switch fails, causing all sorts of excitement.
>
> It definitely made me long for the automation/controller stuff I did in a
> previous life - a lot similar to the stuff you're doing.   It also made me
> long for a few sticks of panduit raceway/duct since things are not nearly
> as pretty as I would have liked.   Well, that and all of the supplies/tools
> you need to really make something like this look professional.   As it is,
> it's more functional than pretty.
>
> I did have a surprise though, I bought some multiconductor control cable
> to run from the PLC to a control/status panel.  Every time I've ever used
> this in the past, the conductors are all different colors.  This cable was
> all black wires with the wire numbers written on the wire itself.  Never
> had seen this style.  After I got over my 'This isn't what I expected'
> grumpiness, I decided it was probably ok, although it did take a bit of
> time to find the first few wires.  I'm just glad my close-up vision hasn't
> failed me yet.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> First time wiring up a Schneider VFD...the terminal block was easy to
>> work with and took about an hour on each of two I did this morning.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

[Adam Moffett]

I wonder how many people espousing opinions even read the rules.

A key point was the "reasonable network management", which I thought was 
vague until I actually read the read rules and saw how they defined it. 
You could do anything you'd normally want to do as long as your 
decisions were driven by technical reasons, and you disclosed it so the 
buyer could understand what they're purchasing.  If the decisions were 
undisclosed or driven by purely business reasons, THEN it was an issue.


The main problem I saw was that they had opened a path for an onerous 
set of rules, and while the previous commission said they would apply 
title II with a light touch, they can only keep that promise until the 
next set of commissioners is appointed.




-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/19/2017 10:57:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports


Not me.

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:26 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

Ok, but who found the rules onerous?


-- Original Message --
From: "Tim Reichhart" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/19/2017 10:20:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports


they dont know jack how we all operate are own networks.






-Original Message-
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/19/17 10:13
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

"Wireless service providers come up way short in bandwidth capacity 
compared to their fiber/cable competitors. So it's no surprise they 
favor an environment where they can discriminate on traffic and 
demand tolls, in the form of paid prioritization, lest ye traffic be 
throttled"


This though.



On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/WISPA-Cheers-the-Death-of-Net-Neutrality-140905 

Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

[Jay Weekley]

There were a lot of "coulds" on both sides of the argument.

ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Not me.
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:26 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports
Ok, but who found the rules onerous?
-- Original Message --
From: "Tim Reichhart" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/19/2017 10:20:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

they dont know jack how we all operate are own networks.



-Original Message-
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/19/17 10:13
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

"Wireless service providers come up way short in bandwidth
capacity compared to their fiber/cable competitors. So it's no
surprise they favor an environment where they can discriminate on
traffic and demand tolls, in the form of paid prioritization,
lest ye traffic be throttled"
This though.
On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Tim Reichhart
 wrote:


https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/WISPA-Cheers-the-Death-of-Net-Neutrality-140905






 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT HDD lessons

[Jason McKemie]

Yeah, the spotter is obviously on a break :)

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:03 AM,  wrote:

> Looks like the boring machine is across the street behind a fence.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT HDD lessons
>
> They're not keeping a very good eye on that bore depth/location.  Ouch.
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Learn when to stop boring:
>> https://facebook.com/streetfx/videos/10160258906695112/
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT HDD lessons

[chuck]

Looks like the boring machine is across the street behind a fence.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:01 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT HDD lessons

They're not keeping a very good eye on that bore depth/location.  Ouch.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

  Learn when to stop boring:
  https://facebook.com/streetfx/videos/10160258906695112/

Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

[Carl Peterson]

I think WISPA's support was just them playing for capital with the FCC
because this administration was going to do this regardless of what WISPA
said.  At least I hope that was the reason behind it.  Really sucks that
the FCC ended up highlighting WISPA's support.  Makes us question being
part of WISPA.


On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:57 AM,  wrote:

> Not me.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports
>
> Ok, but who found the rules onerous?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Tim Reichhart" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 12/19/2017 10:20:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports
>
>
> they dont know jack how we all operate are own networks.
>
>
>
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 12/19/17 10:13
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports
>
> "Wireless service providers come up way short in bandwidth capacity
> compared to their fiber/cable competitors. So it's no surprise they favor
> an environment where they can discriminate on traffic and demand tolls, in
> the form of paid prioritization, lest ye traffic be throttled"
>
> This though.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Tim Reichhart <
> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>
>> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/WISPA-Cheers-the-Death-
>> of-Net-Neutrality-140905
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] OT HDD lessons

[Jason McKemie]

They're not keeping a very good eye on that bore depth/location.  Ouch.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 9:33 AM,  wrote:

> Learn when to stop boring:
> https://facebook.com/streetfx/videos/10160258906695112/
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT HDD lessons

[Sterling Jacobson]

Lol!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT HDD lessons

Learn when to stop boring:
https://facebook.com/streetfx/videos/10160258906695112/

Re: [AFMUG] SAF SFP compatibility with Mikrotik ccr1072

[George Skorup]

Is SAF vendor locking their SFP cages? If not, then you don't need to 
use their SFPs. But I guess from a support perspective, you'd probably 
want to use their SFP in their radios, so they can't blame the optic. 
But then they'll just blame the fiber or terminations or gear at the 
other end. It's always your fault, or someone else. Not saying that 
about SAF, just vendors in general.


If you're asking if you need the same module on the other side (in the 
MikroTik or whatever), no.


Here's the MikroTik branded equivalent if that's what you want: 
https://www.balticnetworks.com/mikrotik-single-mode-ddm-sfp-transceiver.html


I've used over a hundred of these the past couple years with no 
failures. In MikroTik's and various switches. 
https://www.fs.com/products/29849.html They're cheap enough to have lots 
of spares.


I've done LACP on MikroTik just fine. It's in software, but I'd think 
that 1072 should be able to handle it. I don't see anything wrong going 
the switch route other than possibly buffer issues. If the switch can't 
handle the radios dumping their ethernet buffers, then you're not gonna 
have a good time. That's purely speculation on my part, but something 
you should keep in mind.


On 12/19/2017 9:11 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
we are quoted I0AOM001 - N on an integra link. I dont see this module 
listed on the mikrotik compatibility chart. Has anybody here used them 
with the ccr1072?


I apparently need to do LACP bonding as well. Im debating on whether 
to do this in our procurve switches (which seem compatible with 
everything) or to do it in the router directly


Never done it so i dont know if its a good idea to combine mikrotik 
quirks with unknown compatible modules with a technique Ive never done

Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

[chuck]

Not me.

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 8:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

Ok, but who found the rules onerous?


-- Original Message --
From: "Tim Reichhart" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/19/2017 10:20:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

  they dont know jack how we all operate are own networks.








-Original Message-
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/19/17 10:13
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports


"Wireless service providers come up way short in bandwidth capacity 
compared to their fiber/cable competitors. So it's no surprise they favor an 
environment where they can discriminate on traffic and demand tolls, in the 
form of paid prioritization, lest ye traffic be throttled" 


This though.





On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:

  
https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/WISPA-Cheers-the-Death-of-Net-Neutrality-140905
 

Re: [AFMUG] Internet speed issues

[chuck]

You want fast?  I will switch you to the fast plan.  only $25/month more

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 11:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Internet speed issues

Teh innernets waas slow tooday. Must be cuz no NN now. And if it wasn't, it 
probably will be in the future. Because nothing ever breaks. Your ISP is just 
bad and wants to piss you off.

That's pretty much what I got out of that article. These people are clueless.


On 12/18/2017 11:28 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

  
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2017/12/18/the_internet_is_really_slow_right_now.html

  Had a customer complain about Starz but NetFlix is running fine.

  �

  Rory

[AFMUG] OT HDD lessons

[chuck]

Learn when to stop boring:
https://facebook.com/streetfx/videos/10160258906695112/

Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

[Adam Moffett]

Ok, but who found the rules onerous?


-- Original Message --
From: "Tim Reichhart" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 12/19/2017 10:20:05 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports


they dont know jack how we all operate are own networks.






-Original Message-
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/19/17 10:13
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

"Wireless service providers come up way short in bandwidth capacity 
compared to their fiber/cable competitors. So it's no surprise they 
favor an environment where they can discriminate on traffic and demand 
tolls, in the form of paid prioritization, lest ye traffic be 
throttled"


This though.



On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:
https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/WISPA-Cheers-the-Death-of-Net-Neutrality-140905 

Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

[Tim Reichhart]

they dont know jack how we all operate are own networks.



 

-Original Message-
From: "Steve Jones" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 12/19/17 10:13
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

"Wireless service providers come up way short in bandwidth capacity compared to 
their fiber/cable competitors. So it's no surprise they favor an environment 
where they can discriminate on traffic and demand tolls, in the form of paid 
prioritization, lest ye traffic be throttled"


This though.





On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Tim Reichhart  
wrote:

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/WISPA-Cheers-the-Death-of-Net-Neutrality-140905


 

[AFMUG] Used Licensed Gear

[Mike Hammett]

Other than SWG, where are you guys seeing used licensed gear available? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

[Steve Jones]

"Wireless service providers come up way short in bandwidth capacity
compared to their fiber/cable competitors. So it's no surprise they favor
an environment where they can discriminate on traffic and demand tolls, in
the form of paid prioritization, lest ye traffic be throttled"

This though.



On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 8:59 AM, Tim Reichhart <
timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:

> https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/WISPA-Cheers-the-
> Death-of-Net-Neutrality-140905
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] SAF SFP compatibility with Mikrotik ccr1072

[Steve Jones]

we are quoted I0AOM001 - N on an integra link. I dont see this module
listed on the mikrotik compatibility chart. Has anybody here used them with
the ccr1072?

I apparently need to do LACP bonding as well. Im debating on whether to do
this in our procurve switches (which seem compatible with everything) or to
do it in the router directly

Never done it so i dont know if its a good idea to combine mikrotik quirks
with unknown compatible modules with a technique Ive never done

[AFMUG] you all seen this on dsl reports

[Tim Reichhart]

https://www.dslreports.com/shownews/WISPA-Cheers-the-Death-of-Net-Neutrality-140905


 

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Rory Conaway]

We are working with Viva Entertainment.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Fabien
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 6:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting close 
but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't see/verify. If 
there was something with similar capabilities in terms of pricing/channels we 
would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another option that I thought 
would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hi Chris,

thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others which is 
now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup but if they 
can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.

-sean


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien 
> wrote:
They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for close 
to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate bandwidth 
to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't have anything 
we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the flexibility to 
create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a good value to your 
customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor communication have us 
about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can discuss more offlist if you like.

Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC


On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
Hello AF gang,

We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on our 
network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any experience with 
them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either on-list or off-list) your 
experience.

Thanks!

-Sean

Re: [AFMUG] First time

[Jaime Solorza]

Never used that type cable ...seen it in Tonka panels

Jaime Solorza

On Dec 19, 2017 3:31 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I had an occasion this weekend to add a PLC as a controller for the shared
> resources in the manufacturing facility - i.e. compressor, exhaust system,
> etc.Everything is set up so that when a machine gets turned on, all of
> the resources that that machine needs is turned on.   Some safety stuff has
> been added as well, such as there is now a pressure sensor on the air
> compressor which should trip if the compressor 'sticks on' as it tends to
> do when the pressure switch fails, causing all sorts of excitement.
>
> It definitely made me long for the automation/controller stuff I did in a
> previous life - a lot similar to the stuff you're doing.   It also made me
> long for a few sticks of panduit raceway/duct since things are not nearly
> as pretty as I would have liked.   Well, that and all of the supplies/tools
> you need to really make something like this look professional.   As it is,
> it's more functional than pretty.
>
> I did have a surprise though, I bought some multiconductor control cable
> to run from the PLC to a control/status panel.  Every time I've ever used
> this in the past, the conductors are all different colors.  This cable was
> all black wires with the wire numbers written on the wire itself.  Never
> had seen this style.  After I got over my 'This isn't what I expected'
> grumpiness, I decided it was probably ok, although it did take a bit of
> time to find the first few wires.  I'm just glad my close-up vision hasn't
> failed me yet.
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> First time wiring up a Schneider VFD...the terminal block was easy to
>> work with and took about an hour on each of two I did this morning.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rodeo networks IPTV

[Chris Fabien]

I would wait a few months and check back, I think (hope) they are getting
close but have zero trust in anything they are telling me that I can't
see/verify. If there was something with similar capabilities in terms of
pricing/channels we would have bailed long ago, but I couldn't find another
option that I thought would work for my customers.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> thanks for your feedback.  I've heard similar experiences from others
> which is now making me gun shy.  I like their pricing and channel lineup
> but if they can't deliver then it really doesn't matter much.
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:
>
>> They are NOT ready to launch yet. They have been signing resellers up for
>> close to a year and they are still building a proper headend with adequate
>> bandwidth to provide the service. We signed with them in March, still don't
>> have anything we can sell.  The product has promise and they give you the
>> flexibility to create your own channel lineup so you can really offer a
>> good value to your customers, but the months and months of excuses and poor
>> communication have us about ready to throw in the towel on it. I can
>> discuss more offlist if you like.
>>
>> Chris Fabien
>> LakeNet LLC
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello AF gang,
>>>
>>> We are looking at potentially going with Rodeo Networks IPTV solution on
>>> our network but I wanted to first ask the group if anyone has any
>>> experience with them.  If so would you be willing to discuss (either
>>> on-list or off-list) your experience.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] First time

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

I had an occasion this weekend to add a PLC as a controller for the shared
resources in the manufacturing facility - i.e. compressor, exhaust system,
etc.Everything is set up so that when a machine gets turned on, all of
the resources that that machine needs is turned on.   Some safety stuff has
been added as well, such as there is now a pressure sensor on the air
compressor which should trip if the compressor 'sticks on' as it tends to
do when the pressure switch fails, causing all sorts of excitement.

It definitely made me long for the automation/controller stuff I did in a
previous life - a lot similar to the stuff you're doing.   It also made me
long for a few sticks of panduit raceway/duct since things are not nearly
as pretty as I would have liked.   Well, that and all of the supplies/tools
you need to really make something like this look professional.   As it is,
it's more functional than pretty.

I did have a surprise though, I bought some multiconductor control cable to
run from the PLC to a control/status panel.  Every time I've ever used this
in the past, the conductors are all different colors.  This cable was all
black wires with the wire numbers written on the wire itself.  Never had
seen this style.  After I got over my 'This isn't what I expected'
grumpiness, I decided it was probably ok, although it did take a bit of
time to find the first few wires.  I'm just glad my close-up vision hasn't
failed me yet.

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 8:18 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> First time wiring up a Schneider VFD...the terminal block was easy to work
> with and took about an hour on each of two I did this morning.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com