Re: [AFMUG] Epmp vs 450 - DFS events

[can...@believewireless.net]

​For ePMP it depends on the version number. 2.6.2.1 had very stable DFS
performance and for APs where we saw issues, we have left
it there. Some links are working fine on the latest firmware though.​

On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 3:50 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> My experience is exactly the opposite here. ePMP seems more sensitive to
> DFS events. By far.
>
> On 5/30/2018 12:25 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>
> Anyone noticed that apparently the Epmp radios are less prone to DFS
> events? Im assuming most are false caused by RF interference, but I see way
> less events on Epmp than on 450� Will have to do a side by side study.�
>
> �
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)

[can...@believewireless.net]

I was raised on two spaces as well. But after finding out that the
"correct" modern way is one
space, I've switched. I do agree with the tabs/spaces thing when coding.

On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 10:25 PM, Robert  wrote:

> Trivial stuff, the real meat is tabs versus spaces while programming...
>
>
> On 5/6/18 7:21 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Double spacers of the world unite.  Everybody else can get the fu*k off
>> our lawn.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: ja...@remotelylocated.com
>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2018 8:19 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: One space versus two spaces (again)
>>
>> You can tell someone's age by one or two spaces.  For me that is what I
>> was taught and bugs the hell out of me when I see single space.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 6, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I remember there being a rather exuberant discussion a couple years ago
>>> about the advantages/disadvantages and goodness/badness of putting a single
>>> space after a sentence versus putting two spaces. The debate rages on, but
>>> this one study suggests that putting two spaces makes sentences easier to
>>> read.
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/
>>> 2018/05/04/one-space-between-each-sentence-they-said-
>>> science-just-proved-them-wrong-2/?noredirect=on_term=.b61d35728d29
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>

[AFMUG] Aruba Captive Portal

[can...@believewireless.net]

Has anyone setup a captive portal for an Aruba network? How easy and pricey
is it to do?

Not asking about 3rd party solutions, just if it is built into their
controllers and how easy it
is to implement.

Re: [AFMUG] Did I ruin summer animal farm?

[can...@believewireless.net]

I was lazy about it too but mostly because summer is our busy season.

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 9:06 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> No, just too low a turnout (single digit) to attract sponsors.  Might give
> it a go later in the year,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 12, 2018, at 11:18 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
> >
> > I just got my lazy ass around to registering and the event is canceled
> :( Did I miss the notice :) Oh wait I wasn't registered...
> >
> > I was really excited about AF back in Utah, small again, Feel like an
> idiot for procrastinating on the registration!
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik OSPF Refresher

[can...@believewireless.net]

You want to set redistribute default route to if installed on your BGP
routers and never everywhere else. No should be selected
for redistributing all other routes except OSPF. Then go into networks and
explicitly add what you want advertised. For example,
if you do PPPoE, you don't want a advertise a bunch of /32s but just the
netblock actually on the router.

Then setup each interface manually.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 12:19 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> We redistribute default at both our edge/bgp routers, customer traffic
> egresses closest router
> The edge routers are the only ones we filter (bad operators like me
> announce connected-DONT DO THIS) but we dont announce our provider facing
> IPs
> all ospf neighbors are ptp
> we use the same /32 as the ospf router Id and thats the target management
> IP
> input drop all with excluded ACL
> We do have an all interface for ease of bringing up OSPF as long as the
> link network is in the network list, we then copy to static. This is
> probably bad form
> other than adjusting cost we stay very generic
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
>> I've got all sorts of conflicting entries now in my CCR for OSPF.
>>
>> Some I have all interfaces manually registered, is that supposed to be
>> there?
>>
>> Some networks are specific IP's, some are /24 net wide, some have some
>> public IP client space I'm routing internally, some externally.
>>
>> I think after a few years and a few people getting in these and making
>> changes I've got to clean house.
>>
>> Can anyone share like the basics of how they set up OSPF for a router
>> that also does BGP, and then the other core routers in a ring?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg

[can...@believewireless.net]

I drove by a lot yesterday that looked about as secure as you could get. It
looked like not much inside but maybe
so vehicle parking and junk vehicles. However, it had two rows of chain
link fence separated by circular razor
wire in between and on the tops of the fence. While it did seem to be a
deterrent, at least to me, I did wonder
what was inside that needed so much security.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 8:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I think I would use multiple fence chargers so they can’t just short out
> one circuit and kill the whole fence.
> Or I could go all North Korean on them
>
> *From:* TJ Trout
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 5:42 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>
> I've seen a few "fences" lately around equipment here in California that
> are 8ft-ish and has about 6 horizontal wires that are insulated from the
> posts with plastic hanging signs that say something like "danger 12,000
> volts" I'm can almost guarantee it's not lethal although they want you to
> think that, too much liability. It's probably just a regular of special
> fence charger, probably would be the cheapest way to build something with
> the least chance of intrusion?
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:37 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> It's only a deterrent.  Nobody's expecting to stop Danny Ocean.
>>
>> Is it harder to climb if the barbed wire angles outwards?  My criminal
>> trespassing days are well behind me, so I honestly don't know.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 4/10/2018 6:22:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>>
>>
>> That was my thinking as well.
>>
>> *From:* Mathew Howard
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2018 2:56 PM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT one more for the borg
>>
>> I'm not in the habit of cutting through fences, but I'd guess that it
>> would take less time to get through chain link, but you're going to need a
>> bigger cutters... and if somebody wants to get in that badly, they'll cut
>> through either one.
>>
>> But I can say that climbing 8' chain link with barbed wire at the top
>> isn't that hard...
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 2:24 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>> Depending on the gauge, hog wire can be about the same difficulty to cut
>>> as chain link. Not sure which one would be more or less difficult to get
>>> through, but when you cut a row of chainnlink, the rest folds up like an
>>> accordion.
>>>
>>> I like concertina across the top, but the stuff you described works too.
>>> Might be easier to work with.
>>>
>>> Motion activated alarms can be effective.
>>>
>>>
>>> -bp
>>>
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 I need to build a fence.  Keep people out of my equipment yard.  Lost a
 few things over the years, mostly radiators, wiring batts etc.  Copper
 stuff.

 So, what kind of fence.  How tall.  I am thinking 10’/8’ T post with
 hog/goat welded wire.

 Perhaps with those barbed wire brackets (if I can get them to fit) with
 three strands of barbed wire angling outward.

 Could do shorter.
 Could do chain link.
 Could do three strands of straight barbed wire at the top of 6’.

 Not sure I need to do the 2 3/8 pipe posts cemented in the ground
 except for the corners.

 If they will cut hog wire they will cut chain link I think.

 Chain link fence company quoted $25/foot.

 Cops say motion activated lights are the best deterrent.  Followed by
 working or not cameras.
 And I am doing/will do both of these.

 Opinions please.


>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Asterisk

[can...@believewireless.net]

I would just use one interface and put a VLAN on it for private phone
traffic.

On Thu, Apr 5, 2018 at 8:19 AM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Yes.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 4, 2018 3:38:46 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Asterisk
>
> How can you make asterisk use two eth interfaces so that all the phones
> are on a private internal interface and the world is on the other?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] site inverter +48

[can...@believewireless.net]

We use these and have been very happy with them:

http://www.ict-power.com/product/dc-ac-pure-sine-wave-power-inverters/

The 300W does have a 3 second 600W overload cutoff.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 6:52 AM, Brian Kelly  wrote:

> Most of our sites are  24/48VDC, but use these guys when we need AC at a
> site
>
> https://www.majorpower.com/products?product_type=majorsine=48-vdc;
> industry=
>
> They are just an inverter w/ bypass, and take a pretty standard SNMP card
> to manage.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 2:15 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Looking for a inverter with pure/true sine that's rack mountable with a
>> auto transfer switch, the only problem is I think most of these have
>> charging systems, if your already using a DC supply to float the batteries,
>> how do you handle this? Remove the DC supply? Put a large capacity diode on
>> the inverter's battery connection? Run separate batteries?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> TJ
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] GPS antennas

[can...@believewireless.net]

N would be my vote.

On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 9:56 PM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> N type is always a no brainer. RP-SMA also
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> What kind of GPS antennas does everyone prefer for outdoor mounting?
> What kind of RF connectors are prefered?
>
> I have a BITS clock completed (sans framing, will get back to that
> someday).  It is rack mounted.
> But we have to cable it to an outside antenna.  So, the installers will
> most likely have to terminate the cable.
> BNC, N, F, SMA, Mini UHF, UHF, lotsa options.
>
> What does the CMM family use for antennas and connectors?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] test (list lag time)

[can...@believewireless.net]

​Are the servers Irish? Maybe they were drinking and now that the hangover
is worn off they have finally
mustered enough strength to send out your message to the list.​

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 12:58 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Posted Saturday March 17 9:21 MDT
>

Re: [AFMUG] Require Recent Web Browser?

[can...@believewireless.net]

You are selling a product to technology folks. Requiring the latest browser
shouldn't be an issue. Although,
I'm sure they are some WISPs still running their business on XP.

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> A bit of a survey here
>
> A couple of features I'm looking at for current/future products would be
> much easier to implement using a certain feature found only in relatively
> new web browsers, aka, Chrome/Firefox/Edge updated within the last year.
>
> One specific browser feature I'm looking at is webassembly.  Various tools
> out there indicate that around 87% of the installed/active browsers on the
> internet are recent enough for native support.   Most of the browsers
> gained support for this feature early to mid last year.   With autoupdates
> being the rule instead of the exception, anyone on a recent auto-updating
> web browser should support this.  I'm mostly concerned about 'the rest'.
>
> Support for the older browsers is possible, but it adds a level of
> complexity (specifically a level of testing) which I would prefer not to do
> if I could get away without it.
>
> To be clear:  Almost all of the functionality of the upcoming products
> won't require these functions.  A specific example of something that might
> require this is setting up the scripting functionality as I'm looking at
> various technologies which would work best if I could run a chunk of
> webassembly code in the browser as part of the code editor.  However, other
> than editing a script, the rest of the functionality would work fine.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's

[can...@believewireless.net]

Make sure to select the wide-temp option on memory and I think SSDs.

On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Paul, I really like the options available on this one.  Thanks much.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "can...@believewireless.net" <p...@believewireless.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 2/28/2018 8:10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's
>
> www.logicsupply.com/products/rugged-computers/
>
> They run on 12V-24V DC as well.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I just bought one off eBay.  I’d check there first if price sensitive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:19 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's
>>
>>
>>
>> Why do you need a PC specifically?  http://copperhilltech.com/blog
>> /raspberry-pi-proven-to-withstand-extended-temperature-range/
>>
>> Lanner does industrial PCs. http://www.lannerinc.com/other/products-page
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Are there any suggestions for a PC that can live in a box on the side of
>> the road?  It could be 1U, or DIN, or other small form factorI'm not
>> picky.
>>
>> The box would be heated and ventilated, but not air conditioned.  The
>> workload for the PC would be light, I just need it to be small, reliable,
>> and not require air conditioning.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can Google this of course, and have done so.  I'm just wondering if
>> someone has a favorite thing that they know and love already.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's

[can...@believewireless.net]

www.logicsupply.com/products/rugged-computers/

They run on 12V-24V DC as well.


On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 2:28 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> I just bought one off eBay.  I’d check there first if price sensitive.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Extended temperature range PC's
>
>
>
> Why do you need a PC specifically?  http://copperhilltech.com/
> blog/raspberry-pi-proven-to-withstand-extended-temperature-range/
>
> Lanner does industrial PCs. http://www.lannerinc.com/other/products-page
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:05 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Are there any suggestions for a PC that can live in a box on the side of
> the road?  It could be 1U, or DIN, or other small form factorI'm not
> picky.
>
> The box would be heated and ventilated, but not air conditioned.  The
> workload for the PC would be light, I just need it to be small, reliable,
> and not require air conditioning.
>
>
>
> I can Google this of course, and have done so.  I'm just wondering if
> someone has a favorite thing that they know and love already.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Best budget cat5 for tower sites?

[can...@believewireless.net]

Shireen cable has never let us down. $175/box and has HDPE shell.

https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/dc-1021-outdoor-cat5e-ftp-shielded-1000ft-spool

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 8:30 AM, Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Who’s got the best budget cat5 these days that at least has hdpe or nylon
> shell? What is everyone using for tower sites?
>
> Preferably $180/box or less
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT VPN over PPPOE

[can...@believewireless.net]

I would try to reproduce the problem first. Could be an MTU issue on the
VPN setting.

On Mon, Feb 26, 2018 at 7:06 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Had a customer that works from home.  Could not make his VPN work.
> We thought perhaps it was a port issue.  Opened the ports on the Smart
> RG.  No good.
>
> He spend $150 over the weekend on a geek squad type of service and they
> pointed their finger at us.
>
> So, just because we haven’t tried it, we switched him to DHCP and it
> started working.
> We are in the process of converting everyone to DHCP.
>
> He wants a credit in the amount of the money he paid the geek squad.
>
> Wonder if it was truly our fault.  Still don’t know why it started working
> or what the problem was.
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

[can...@believewireless.net]

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor
card as well?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too
> slow.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a
>> device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while
>> also responding fast enough to protect the port?
>>
>> Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> We have been shipping for months.
>>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
>>> fuse.
>>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
>>> involved in blowing a port.
>>>
>>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
>>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.
>>> That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
>>>
>>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
>>> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
>>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
>>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
>>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
>>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
>>>
>>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector
>>> for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying
>>> and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my
>>> margins.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>>
>>> Hi Chuck,
>>>
>>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>>>
>>> Question & critique.
>>>  When are these going to be available ?
>>>  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>>>  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to
>>> be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] Smart Electric Submeter

[can...@believewireless.net]

We have a site looking to see what our electrical usage is each month. Do
anyone know
an affordable submeter that will give monthly reports?

Re: [AFMUG] Dc plant conversion

[can...@believewireless.net]

It's a little spendy but about how about 1 $670 option? Alpha Cordex PSU
24V 400W.
Remote monitoring, e-mailed alerts, swappable rectifier, DIN mount, etc.
Add a Netonix switch and you can power just about anything.​

On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Any of you folks who know both dc plant and even more know small wisp
> budget interested in looking at our gear and power setup and giving
> realistic advice that doesnt have a 10 different 500 dollar components
> combined with a full time linux guy and a full time coder?
>
> Id love you to do it out of the kindness of your heart, but i do have some
> advisory busget.
>
> Im just tired of the apc ups waste and super ghetto runtimes on batteries
> coupled with having to accept we are destroying runtimes by letting the
> apcs die. please, somebody, please. Otherwise i have to go to the
> facebook groups, and thats like going to a mikrotik or ubnt forum.
>

Re: [AFMUG] PC Out of Band management

[can...@believewireless.net]

You could get an IP KVM for a single PC.

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> dual NICs with teamviewer is what i use to manage our office rack
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:25 AM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> This sounds like a goofy use case.
>>
>> Maybe a raspberry pi with a usb NIC?
>>
>> What are you needing this for?
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 9:11 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>> > I'm looking to put a PC at a site, but I want true out of Band
>> management
>> > for it, I.E. Be able to turn off the Ethernet Interfaces or Change IP
>> > Addresses without dropping management connectivity. I'm used to working
>> with
>> > the Supermicro motherboards built in IPMI Functionality, which is
>> awesome,
>> > but I just need a simple PC at a site for a couple weeks, not a whole
>> > server.  Is there a brand/model that works well without breaking the
>> bank?
>> > VGA video, and USB keyboard/mouse.  It's been several years since I've
>> last
>> > used one, so I'm sure they are better now than they used to be.  They
>> were
>> > very flaky then.
>> >
>> > Nate
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] survey results

[can...@believewireless.net]

There was a company called MTC that offered such a beast But not any
more.

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 5:55 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I kind of do wish there was a dish on the market that could be put up as
> 5ghz and be easily converted to 11ghz on the tower... it could be
> especially useful now that there are cheap 11ghz radios out there.
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:35 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> I would ask, "Who are your customers?" I buy your products because you
>> sell them and you support our industry.
>> In the past, when you were selling licensed dishes, I would reach out to
>> a coordinator and tell them I would
>> want to use your dish and a certain radio. If I was told I needed to use
>> another manufacture's antenna, I would
>> ask why. If I was told your 2ft wouldn't work, I would ask if your 3ft
>> would.
>>
>> Who is buying from McCown that would prefer a competitor's product?
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> One of you posted the following:
>>>
>>>
>>> Well I was kind of annoyed that we bought some of the big 3ft dishes a
>>> few years ago with intent to be able to upgrade to 11ghz and now they are
>>> discontinued. I'm curious why you killed that product line.
>>>
>>>
>>> I can always build the feedhorns to convert them.  I will support them.
>>>
>>> I can’t say too much without breaking an ...
>>>
>>> Hypothetically, just a thought experiment, let’s just say if a newcomer
>>> hits the market, and the competitors get tweaked, they may have one of
>>> their larger distributors buy up almost all the newcomer stock, then sit on
>>> it for a year, not market it, not push it, *actually turn away
>>> qualified leads  and funnel them to the competitor* and then return it
>>> all to the manufacturer one day before the return privilege expires.
>>>
>>> It could happen, right...  Multiverse theory allows many possibilities,
>>> right...
>>>
>>> But that is just a thought experiment.  Such a thing never happened...
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] survey results

[can...@believewireless.net]

I would ask, "Who are your customers?" I buy your products because you sell
them and you support our industry.
In the past, when you were selling licensed dishes, I would reach out to a
coordinator and tell them I would
want to use your dish and a certain radio. If I was told I needed to use
another manufacture's antenna, I would
ask why. If I was told your 2ft wouldn't work, I would ask if your 3ft
would.

Who is buying from McCown that would prefer a competitor's product?

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 12:49 PM,  wrote:

> One of you posted the following:
>
>
> Well I was kind of annoyed that we bought some of the big 3ft dishes a few
> years ago with intent to be able to upgrade to 11ghz and now they are
> discontinued. I'm curious why you killed that product line.
>
>
> I can always build the feedhorns to convert them.  I will support them.
>
> I can’t say too much without breaking an ...
>
> Hypothetically, just a thought experiment, let’s just say if a newcomer
> hits the market, and the competitors get tweaked, they may have one of
> their larger distributors buy up almost all the newcomer stock, then sit on
> it for a year, not market it, not push it, *actually turn away qualified
> leads  and funnel them to the competitor* and then return it all to the
> manufacturer one day before the return privilege expires.
>
> It could happen, right...  Multiverse theory allows many possibilities,
> right...
>
> But that is just a thought experiment.  Such a thing never happened...
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 2018

[can...@believewireless.net]

Sometimes MSRP is fine if we can get Prime shipping or an affordable next
day option. If we can order an
item for MSRP with just a few clicks, it may be as cost effective as
calling a distributor, seeing if they have inventory,
finding out that McCown will actually be dropping shipping it from the
other side of the US and then waiting
on ground shipping. This makes much more sense for tower steel products vs.
lightning arrester cards but
you get the idea.

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 11:46 AM,  wrote:

> Thanks Lewis.
>
> I try to drive traffic to the distributors.  They give discounts off of
> MSRP.
> Not sure this is the best way.  Back in the early days I sold direct.
> Every afternoon we had 100 small boxes going out.
> I prefer a few very large shipments each week to hundreds each day.
>
> But at the end of the day, making money is the deal.  I may offer my stuff
> on Amazon at MSRP.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 28, 2017 9:38 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 2018
>
> Screwed up. I would buy from Amazon if available. Didn't see that as a
> choice.
>
> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:32 AM Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> That's funny, I was wondering why I could click that damn thing.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 9:56 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/9SQGH67
>>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm, what is the difference between a clickable link and non clickable?
>>>
>>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 28, 2017 8:53 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 2018
>>>
>>> Working on a newsletter for right after the start of the year announcing
>>> some new products and other fun things.
>>> I will include a short survey in that newsletter.
>>>
>>> Could you folks here please take my prototype survey so I can perhaps
>>> tweak it before I spam my whole universe?
>>> It is short and painless.
>>>
>>> Critical comments are very much appreciated.  We are trying to figure
>>> out what to emphasize going forward.
>>> We are still selling Stingers.  15 years ago that is all we sold.
>>>
>>> Of our 75 products or so, 15 make up 90% of our revenue.  And only 1 of
>>> the 15 is a Stinger.
>>> So trying to figure out how to maximize that is always the trick.
>>> The unseen hand of Adam Smith tickles me every day.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Chuck and Company
>>>
>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/9SQGH67
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] 2018

[can...@believewireless.net]

Done.

On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:56 AM,  wrote:

> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/9SQGH67
>
>
> Hmmm, what is the difference between a clickable link and non clickable?
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 28, 2017 8:53 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 2018
>
> Working on a newsletter for right after the start of the year announcing
> some new products and other fun things.
> I will include a short survey in that newsletter.
>
> Could you folks here please take my prototype survey so I can perhaps
> tweak it before I spam my whole universe?
> It is short and painless.
>
> Critical comments are very much appreciated.  We are trying to figure out
> what to emphasize going forward.
> We are still selling Stingers.  15 years ago that is all we sold.
>
> Of our 75 products or so, 15 make up 90% of our revenue.  And only 1 of
> the 15 is a Stinger.
> So trying to figure out how to maximize that is always the trick.
> The unseen hand of Adam Smith tickles me every day.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Chuck and Company
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/9SQGH67
>

Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV Now DVR

[can...@believewireless.net]

HGTV is included in the $35 package and Golf is in the $60 package.

On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 8:42 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net
> wrote:

>
> Does it have HGTV and the Golf Channel?  Thats what my mom and dad need to
> cut the cord...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 24, 2017 1:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DirecTV Now DVR
>
> Yes, I got the offer for the Beta a little over a week ago.  Everything
> seem to be working well so far.   The skip ahead 15 seconds is pretty
> quick, not much delay in that.   We run it with Apple TV and on iOS
> devices.   I am very interested to see the Roku version when that it
> released as that is the primary viewing controller we use.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 24, 2017 11:53 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] DirecTV Now DVR
>
>
>
> So I just accepted the offer to beta test the DirecTV Now DVR feature and
> updated guide.
>
> It doesn't work on Roku but does work on the Apple TV they gave me when I
> signed up.
>
> I don't have time to play with it today but I'll probably schedule some
> shows to record
>
> tomorrow to play with it.
>
>
>
> I did test the pause feature and it worked as expected. Pretty excited
> about it since in
>
> my area it includes ABC, CBS and NBC local channels. I've been using
> DirecTV Now
>
> exclusively for about 4 months now and am pretty happy with it.
>
>
>
> Very happy to have cut the cord.
>
>

[AFMUG] DirecTV Now DVR

[can...@believewireless.net]

So I just accepted the offer to beta test the DirecTV Now DVR feature and
updated guide.
It doesn't work on Roku but does work on the Apple TV they gave me when I
signed up.
I don't have time to play with it today but I'll probably schedule some
shows to record
tomorrow to play with it.

I did test the pause feature and it worked as expected. Pretty excited
about it since in
my area it includes ABC, CBS and NBC local channels. I've been using
DirecTV Now
exclusively for about 4 months now and am pretty happy with it.

Very happy to have cut the cord.

Re: [AFMUG] Full erection..

[can...@believewireless.net]

I think that guy is on a watch list.

On Thu, Dec 7, 2017 at 1:04 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Dec 7, 2017 12:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> Insha allah
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Dec 7, 2017 11:56 AM, "Robert"  wrote:
>>
>>> fake news coming from the middle east...
>>>
>>> On 12/7/17 9:49 AM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
 Colder today on tower ... luckily I was only installing air terminal

 Jaime Solorza

 On Dec 7, 2017 10:31 AM, "Jaime Solorza" > wrote:

 Yep

 Jaime Solorza

 On Dec 7, 2017 10:05 AM, "Lewis Bergman" > wrote:

 I like it when I am fully erect.

 On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 7:16 PM Jaime Solorza
 >
 wrote:

 Got it done with gin pole ...


 Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] GPS visible vs tracked

[can...@believewireless.net]

Check 900MHz noise. We have two sites with high 900MHz noise and those are
the ones that have GPS issues.

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Wireless Administrator 
wrote:

> Ok ……
> I got it now. This was a test.(Tongue-in-cheek)Answer:  “It radiation
> from a nearby star”Steve B.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Wireless
> Administrator
> *Sent:* Friday, December 01, 2017 10:26 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] GPS visible vs tracked
>
>
>
> Is it possible to place duplicate equipment at the site to see if the
> problem occurs on duplicate?
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* Wireless Administrator [mailto:wirel...@htn.net ]
>
> *Sent:* Friday, December 01, 2017 9:55 AM
> *To:* 'af@afmug.com'
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] GPS visible vs tracked
>
>
>
> I’ve had problems like that caused by water/condensation in the GPS
> antenna or coax.
>
>
>
> Steve B.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Eric Muehleisen
> *Sent:* Friday, December 01, 2017 9:51 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] GPS visible vs tracked
>
>
>
> We have a site where we see unusual GPS issues. I've been graphing the
> CMM4 and it visually sees between 10-15 satellites consistently. However,
> tracked satellites will go from 8-10 and drop to zero for hours at a time,
> then fully recover. This happens randomly a few times a week. It's gotten
> worse over the past month.
>
>
>
> See attached. If you notice, there is an FM antenna right next to our
> equipment. We have occasional ethernet related issue as well. This tends to
> get worse when it rains, but overall hasn't been a major issue.
>
>
>
> Could our GPS issues be related to the FM station? We plan on moving the
> GPS antenna to another location next week. Has anyone seen anything like
> this before?
>

Re: [AFMUG] converting AC devices to DC

[can...@believewireless.net]

​Depends on the device. For smaller computers, we just used the DC ATX
power supplies. However, for bigger servers/routers,
we used the ICT AC-DC converters:
http://www.ict-power.com/product/dc-ac-pure-sine-wave-power-inverters/​

On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> So you guys that are bypassing the internal ac;dc power supplies for the
> devices that arent sold DC, are you grounding chassis? and I assume there
> is no way to not void your warranty by doing this?
>
> on spec sheets, the current consumption listed im guessing is accounting
> for the conversion loss as well, is there a rule of thumb for calculating
> your demand (ie 10% or whatnot)
>

Re: [AFMUG] Handhole hook

[can...@believewireless.net]

You feel like opening up handholes while on road trips?

On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> On a road trip today and realized I left my hand hole hook behind.
> Went to a Flying J truck stop and got a 5th wheel pin checker.  Opened the
> hook a bit and it is a perfect too.  Chrome plated too!
> $19.95

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs

[can...@believewireless.net]

We used them once and we weren't happy. I wanted to give them a try to see
how they compared to others.
What I thought was a simple BGP issue that could have been handled with a
15-30 minute phone call ended
up taking over two weeks. They "needed" to get our router configs and
virtualize them in their network. Then
figure out which interfaces were backhaul links, etc.

They then came up with a crazy network design that, to me, made no sense.
After them burning a lot of hours
on that, a simple call at the end of that process amounted to just creating
a single EoIP tunnel to fix the issue.

So my thought is they want to burn hours whenever they can.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> So, IPArchitechsis there a current consensus on whether they are
> worth investing time with?   We are looking to layer BGP within (or upon)
> our OSPF network to better control traffic between towers, subnets, etc.
>
> IPA talked a good game, but we didn't roll out with them.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Paul
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 1:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs
>
> We are always here :)
>
>
> Dennis Burgess - Network Solution Engineer - Consultant MikroTik Certified
> Trainer/Consultant - MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>
> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net Radio Frequency
> Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
> Office: 314-735-0270
> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2017 12:45 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] IPArchitechs
>
> That company was a bust.
>
> So I'm looking again for a professional team/company that can
> professionally handle my network contracting needs in a reasonable time
> frame.
>
> Dennis, I'll be asking for your help again in the meantime as soon as I
> get refunded from IPArchitechs.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question

[can...@believewireless.net]

The outbound CID should be set in the PBX, not the ATA.

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent PBX
> system.  The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, but it
> used to work with his old AT Lines, and it appears to be hitting the ATA
> Properly.   Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set that older
> systems may be looking for?
>
> The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method,
> currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard, set
> to 'Bell 202'  I've never had to mess with those settings before.
>
> Nate
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP CnMaestro URL via Option 43

[can...@believewireless.net]

Yes, working fine for us:
/ip dhcp-server option add code=43 name=cnMaestro value="'https://X.X.X.X'"


On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Is anybody successfully setting the CnMaestro URL via Option 43 on ePMP?
>
> I've set up a Mikrotik DHCP server in accordance to these instructions:
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnMaestro/Microtik-
> Routerboard-DHCP-configuration-for-onboarding-devices/m-p/56012#M26
>
> Option 60, 43, and Domain are all set, but the cnMaestro URL is never
> actually changed on the ePMP devices, neither on a DHCP renewal or a
> reboot.  I can confirm via packet capture the options are being sent to the
> ePMP.  I don't see any attempt to connect to the CnMaestro server on
> premises, but I do see them doing DNS lookups for
> cloud.cambiumnetworks.com.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Long range cameras

[can...@believewireless.net]

Where did you find them for that price, Jaime?

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 12:56 AM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> That’s a great price.  I looked online and they were much higher.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, November 3, 2017 9:40 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Long range cameras
>
>
>
> 399.00 each with 21.00 for mount kit
>
>
>
> On Nov 3, 2017 10:24 PM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:
>
> What do they cost?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Friday, November 3, 2017 6:56 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Long range cameras
>
>
>
> I purchased 2 of these but was too busy to pick up today... going to
> install on tower and rooftop to cover bus barn and van parking lot...has
> anyone used these?
>
> http://www.hikvision.com/us/Products_1_10563_i11756.html
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPv6 for management

[can...@believewireless.net]

I don't think we'd use it for management on our equipment. I think sticking
with v4 for it's simplicity
is better. Much easier to remember a v4 private address space over a v6
address. Once we get
over a couple billion devices, I'm sure we'll reconsider.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 10/19/17 16:20, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
>> How about IPv6?   It's on my list as well to look at...Does anyone
>> see any real need for having your management gear on IPv6 instead of IPv4,
>> at least in the near term?
>>
>
>
> I use it. Probably the minority though.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[can...@believewireless.net]

I've never received a quote from them either. Pestered them for months and
they never quoted me.

On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Adair Winter 
wrote:

> Who have you been talking to? That's never been my experience.
>
> On Oct 19, 2017 1:18 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> I usually like amorod but after two initial discussion and two weeks they
>> never gave me a quote.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 11:49 PM Adair Winter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm pretty sure that an https://amprod.us/products/
>>> outdoor-telecom-enclosures/minifort/
>>> would be about the same cost, maybe a little more and made in the USA.
>>> If you need a number of them I'm sure they would work with you.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Lewis Bergman >> > wrote:
>>>
 I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After
 looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive.

 I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a
 decent degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the
 Hitachi air conditioners are well supported here in the states.

 Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4
 post for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a
 48vdc power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and LED
 light would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC if
 enough people had to have it that way.

 So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground
 bus bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery
 compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I am
 still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker
 compatible. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door opening,
 high temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not specified an
 auxillary generator plug but I could.

 Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am
 still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I
 believe I'll be able to work this out.

 Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely
 to cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Adair Winter
>>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Prototype #2:

[can...@believewireless.net]

The version made out of ground chicken is good as well.
http://sassysouthernyankee.com/2014/02/chicken-pizza-crust/

However, you have to be careful if you are Keto as it will put you over on
protein if you have
too many slices.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Have to give it a try.  The one my wife made this weekend was pretty
> good.  The crust was cheese and eggs.  I just had a couple of cold slices
> for lunch.
>
> *From:* Chuck Hogg
> *Sent:* Monday, October 16, 2017 12:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Prototype #2:
>
> There's a low carb pizza made out of chicken... I forget the name but it's
> in the local grocery store.
> Here's a recipe
> https://www.heyketomama.com/best-low-carb-chicken-pizza-crust/
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>>
>> Yum
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Collection agency

[can...@believewireless.net]

We have a local attorney that does it for us and it doesn't cost us any
money. He takes a 1/3
but it gets charged back to the customer in the end. It's been pretty
painless for us.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Do you even PowerCode, bro?
>
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:46:38 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Collection agency
>
> Does anyone use one?  Any recommendations?
>
> I just want to give up the agreements/money owed and have some other
> agency spend their time calling to get the money owed to us.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> 
> Suite 1337
> 
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Latest Control Panel

[can...@believewireless.net]

Amazing work.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> This will be the master control panel for the solar powered ones I shared
> the other day... the transformer on bottom right will convert 480 down to
> 120.   I also tested solar panel set up to insure Ubiquiti radio and fan
> worked properly.
>

Re: [AFMUG] easy backup link failover

[can...@believewireless.net]

Depends on your layout, but you could also bond them together in failover
mode. Then no OSPF timeout hit.​

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> OSPF cost for backup route definitely needs to be higher... you can
> standardize all you want on some numbering system but as your network grows
> and you need to push some traffic in some directions and not others you
> will need the flexibility to manipulate path costs quite a bit.
>
> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Some more food for thought...
>>
>>
>> We are finding that setting up /configuring the OSPF links as PTP  tends
>> to provide faster failover convergence
>> which becomes even more useful when it can be combined with bfd
>>
>> In regards to the weights, it's more of a 'six or half a dozen of
>> another'  what values you use to affect the change will be determined by
>> what exactly you are trying to achieve and 'flow' of traffic on your OSPF
>> network..
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, September 3, 2017 4:47:03 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] easy backup link failover
>>
>> I was thinking about that, 10 doesn't give much room for manipulation
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 2, 2017 at 9:26 PM, George Skorup 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> That's typically what I do, just make the parallel backup path one
>>> higher at both ends.
>>>
>>> But I'll tell you this right now, consider a larger scale for your
>>> interface costs. As your OSPF domain grows into more complex rings or more
>>> of a mesh, shit will start to get complicated and you'll wish you had more
>>> granularity. What I'm moving to is interface cost based on link bandwidth.
>>> Kinda like Cisco's auto-cost, but not auto because MikroTik is stupid.
>>> Anyway.. take 100,000 ÷ link bw in Mbps. So 1G=100. An AF24 around 770Mbps
>>> would be a cost of about 130. A 360Mbps SAF link would be about 277. Etc,
>>> etc. Lots of granularity for tweaking traffic flow.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/2/2017 4:08 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
 we are replacing two links, currently cheap 5ghz (one epmp ptp and one
 ubnt nanobridge) with mimosa 11ghz, we dont need that much bandwidth right
 now so im leaving the old links in parallel.

 I just put the path cost on the interface for the 5ghz at 11 and left
 the 11ghz at 10. it seems to serve this purpose. but the other links in the
 redundancy will see that extra 1 in path cost on failover, not so awful a
 deal since it will drop capacity by 90 percent, but would i have been
 better to leave the 5ghz at 10 and drop the 11ghz to 5?


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

[can...@believewireless.net]

Make sure to reboot it before upgrading it too.

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:20 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Have you tried updating it from the web interface?
>
> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Anybody come across this, we have a 3.2.1 that wont update, Cnmaestro
>> either skips it saying update in progress or unit offline
>> loading from the gui fails everytime with "SW Update is running!"
>> Its like it must have tried an update at one point but never succeeded
>> and it thinks its mid update
>> this is a deployed unit so i cant default it just yet.
>> Ive only gui cycled it, not power cycled so that may resolve it.
>> any input?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP "SW Update is running!"

[can...@believewireless.net]

Have you tried updating it from the web interface?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Anybody come across this, we have a 3.2.1 that wont update, Cnmaestro
> either skips it saying update in progress or unit offline
> loading from the gui fails everytime with "SW Update is running!"
> Its like it must have tried an update at one point but never succeeded and
> it thinks its mid update
> this is a deployed unit so i cant default it just yet.
> Ive only gui cycled it, not power cycled so that may resolve it.
> any input?
>

Re: [AFMUG] DC Generators?

[can...@believewireless.net]

Someone posted this a while ago:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-2-IN-1-Gas-Gasoline-Generator-3000W-DC-OUTPUT-24V-for-pure-power-inverter-/252041630986?hash=item3aaeda150a

I think they make them in 12,24 and 48V.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:41 PM, Gino A. Villarini 
wrote:

> Anyone using DC Generators for charging Batts ? Really hard to find
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[can...@believewireless.net]

I really don't know where this fits in. Who wants to keep three radios on
the truck? If they could have
made the same design for say a 27db antenna, that would be something we'd
use.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> No, we'll probably keep using the 180 for really short links, but we
> really don't use that many as it is. I'm not really sure how often we'll
> end up using the 190, but I'm thinking it will be something like if we get
> less than -60 use a Force 200, otherwise, use a 190 or a 180.
>
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Are you dropping 180 for the 190?  In what situation would you use a 190
>> (previously 180) instead of a 200?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds me,
>>> I need to order some.
>>>
>>> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size box
>>> as the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time, but
>>> there are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these
>>> should be a good fit.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?
 It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and
 190, but I still suggest Force 200.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners 
 wrote:

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "FCC ID Alert" 
> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
> To: "FCC ID Alert" 
> Cc:
>
> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc.
> for New Equipment.
> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031
> 
> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>
> unsubscribe
> 
>


>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber

[can...@believewireless.net]

Funny, I was just testing a VLAN and it didn't work. Was about to dig more
into it but I'm guessing it's
just not working.

On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Chris Fabien  wrote:

> We have one bought from the beta store. The MSRP on the OLT is $1499.
>
> I have not been able to get it to pass our IPTV VLAN and ubnt support was
> zero help, just told me ask on their forum. There is really no
> documentation for it yet.
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2017 10:54 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>
>> Integrating the OLT and ONT with all of their other products (AirFiber,
>> EdgeRouter, Prism, CPE, etc) in a single pane of glass, for one (and for
>> free).
>>
>> Outside of that? TBD.
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2017 9:42 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>>
>>> I saw it on the Baltic Networks website today, but I've never bought it.
>>> What are they doing different from any other fiber?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jason McKemie" 
>>> To: "af@afmug.com" 
>>> Sent: 8/10/2017 10:40:14 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti uFiber
>>>
>>> Those of you testing this stuff, where did you buy it?  All at the beta
>>> store? It isn't in stock in the Ubiquiti store right now, Streakwave has an
>>> item listed (not in stock), but the price is 3x what it was in the beta
>>> store.  Is it really this much of a jump in price?
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Great portable propane generator

[can...@believewireless.net]

​I'm pretty sure you need to change the oil every 20 hours. ​

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> Did you buy it with propane, or is it the kit, like on amazon?
>
>
> On 08/03/2017 11:05 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
>> We have a smaller one that started having problems, but this has all the
>> prpane guts on the inside and a quick connect hose. Will run close to 48
>> hours on a small tank in eco mode.
>> Easy to start, runs like a champ in all weather conditions
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

[can...@believewireless.net]

We used 250lbs magnets and it was a 3'x2' satellite dish non-pen. (My
mistake earlier.) We used a long J-arm
that we braced on two sides back to the mount so it was more of a tripod.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:56 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I guess the magnet could have a stud with a slot in the end.  Put threaded
> holes in the plate.  You use a screw driver to adjust the magnet to plate
> and a lock nut to secure it once it is set.   I would rather have a nut on
> the other side of the plate but hard to get a wrench into the center areas
> of a plate of any size.
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 11:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>
> Yes, we had a backing nut. We did the outer edge, not the center. In total
> I think we had
> 10 magnets total.
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Did you have to adjust a backing nut for each magnet or did you just set
>> them all the same and rely on the mount to flex a bit?
>> Seems difficult to adjust magnet nuts in the center of the array as they
>> would be under the mounting plate, right?
>>
>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 11:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>>
>> We followed the Magnemount design and took a typical 5'x5' non-pen and
>> drilled holes in it and put
>> a lot of magnets on it. The magnets had pretty long bolts on them so we
>> used that to adjust each
>> magnet so it would still sit flat on a curved surface.
>>
>> It's been holding a 2ft dish just fine for a couple years now.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was suggesting maybe stacking yours in a 4x4 pattern.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have.  They have a good system.  Very expensive system but it is
>>>> nicely designed.  Trying to fill a niche.
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 9:05 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever looked at Magnemount?  They stack them together and make
>>>> it as a plate to increase surface mount.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Brian Sullivan <
>>>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nice video!  Would love to see even more tests with stronger magnets.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/29/2017 6:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Very cool video... definitely a need for this product
>>>>>
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 29, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Magnetic Tower Mount
>>>>>> Some more destructive testing.
>>>>>> Magnetic mount for water towers and other structures.  Check out my
>>>>>> latest video:
>>>>>> *Havin' Fun With Magnets <https://youtu.be/AHjHk9wjtFQ>*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Come see all the fun stuff at *McCown Technology Corporation*
>>>>>> <http://www.mccowntech.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mccowntech/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Copyright © 2017 McCown Technology Corporation, All rights reserved.*
>>>>>> Thanks for attending the show. (Or being on the af@afmug.com list.)
>>>>>> See us at WispAmerica. Check out www.surge-protection.org and
>>>>>> www.afmug.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Our mailing address is:*
>>>>>> McCown Technology Corporation
>>>>>> 8400 North HWY 36
>>>>>> Lake Point, UT 84074
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

[can...@believewireless.net]

Yes, we had a backing nut. We did the outer edge, not the center. In total
I think we had
10 magnets total.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:23 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Did you have to adjust a backing nut for each magnet or did you just set
> them all the same and rely on the mount to flex a bit?
> Seems difficult to adjust magnet nuts in the center of the array as they
> would be under the mounting plate, right?
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 11:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>
> We followed the Magnemount design and took a typical 5'x5' non-pen and
> drilled holes in it and put
> a lot of magnets on it. The magnets had pretty long bolts on them so we
> used that to adjust each
> magnet so it would still sit flat on a curved surface.
>
> It's been holding a 2ft dish just fine for a couple years now.
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote:
>
>> I was suggesting maybe stacking yours in a 4x4 pattern.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have.  They have a good system.  Very expensive system but it is
>>> nicely designed.  Trying to fill a niche.
>>>
>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>>> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 9:05 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>>>
>>> Have you ever looked at Magnemount?  They stack them together and make
>>> it as a plate to increase surface mount.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Brian Sullivan <
>>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice video!  Would love to see even more tests with stronger magnets.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/29/2017 6:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Very cool video... definitely a need for this product
>>>>
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 29, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Magnetic Tower Mount
>>>>> Some more destructive testing.
>>>>> Magnetic mount for water towers and other structures.  Check out my
>>>>> latest video:
>>>>> *Havin' Fun With Magnets <https://youtu.be/AHjHk9wjtFQ>*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Come see all the fun stuff at *McCown Technology Corporation*
>>>>> <http://www.mccowntech.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mccowntech/>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Copyright © 2017 McCown Technology Corporation, All rights reserved.*
>>>>> Thanks for attending the show. (Or being on the af@afmug.com list.)
>>>>> See us at WispAmerica. Check out www.surge-protection.org and
>>>>> www.afmug.com
>>>>>
>>>>> *Our mailing address is:*
>>>>> McCown Technology Corporation
>>>>> 8400 North HWY 36
>>>>> Lake Point, UT 84074
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day

[can...@believewireless.net]

We followed the Magnemount design and took a typical 5'x5' non-pen and
drilled holes in it and put
a lot of magnets on it. The magnets had pretty long bolts on them so we
used that to adjust each
magnet so it would still sit flat on a curved surface.

It's been holding a 2ft dish just fine for a couple years now.

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I was suggesting maybe stacking yours in a 4x4 pattern.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:12 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I have.  They have a good system.  Very expensive system but it is nicely
>> designed.  Trying to fill a niche.
>>
>> *From:* Chuck Hogg
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 9:05 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Magnets on a warm summer day
>>
>> Have you ever looked at Magnemount?  They stack them together and make it
>> as a plate to increase surface mount.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Brian Sullivan <
>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice video!  Would love to see even more tests with stronger magnets.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/29/2017 6:16 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>>
>>> Very cool video... definitely a need for this product
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> On Jul 29, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>

 Magnetic Tower Mount
 Some more destructive testing.
 Magnetic mount for water towers and other structures.  Check out my
 latest video:
 *Havin' Fun With Magnets *



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>

Re: [AFMUG] Explosion Proof Access Point

[can...@believewireless.net]

​Would mounting the AP outside and then running coax in to antennas be
acceptable in this situation?​

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Could be IS/HAZLOC locations like gas plants or refineries. We deal with a
> bunch of those and they have IS tablets they use to keep track of work
> orders and lockouts and such. Most still use paper tickets though.
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:57 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Customer requested it. But I'm guessing phones, tablets or laptops.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:12 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm confused. What's the application? We've done outdoor wifi solutions
>>> at gas stations before, but not near the pumps.
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2017 1:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>>
>>> It is for WiFi.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:58 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, there's the ATEX/HAZLOC certified versions of the 5GHz 450i
>>>> stuff. Unless he was asking about wifi, but I don't think you'd be using
>>>> mobile devices/laptops at fuel stations, or shouldn't be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/26/2017 12:42 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> canopy 450i
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 8:24 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
>>>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Looking for an explosion proof access point for a natural gas fueling
>>>>> station. Any recommendations?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Explosion Proof Access Point

[can...@believewireless.net]

Customer requested it. But I'm guessing phones, tablets or laptops.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:12 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
wrote:

> I'm confused. What's the application? We've done outdoor wifi solutions at
> gas stations before, but not near the pumps.
>
> On 7/26/2017 1:00 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>
> It is for WiFi.
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:58 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, there's the ATEX/HAZLOC certified versions of the 5GHz 450i stuff.
>> Unless he was asking about wifi, but I don't think you'd be using mobile
>> devices/laptops at fuel stations, or shouldn't be.
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/2017 12:42 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>> canopy 450i
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 8:24 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for an explosion proof access point for a natural gas fueling
>>> station. Any recommendations?
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Explosion Proof Access Point

[can...@believewireless.net]

It is for WiFi.

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 1:58 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com>
wrote:

> Yeah, there's the ATEX/HAZLOC certified versions of the 5GHz 450i stuff.
> Unless he was asking about wifi, but I don't think you'd be using mobile
> devices/laptops at fuel stations, or shouldn't be.
>
>
> On 7/26/2017 12:42 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> canopy 450i
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 8:24 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Looking for an explosion proof access point for a natural gas fueling
>> station. Any recommendations?
>>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Explosion Proof Access Point

[can...@believewireless.net]

Looking for an explosion proof access point for a natural gas fueling
station. Any recommendations?

[AFMUG] Old PMP100 Cases

[can...@believewireless.net]

Can they be recycled?

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 2000 to Epmp1000 Sector Bracket?

[can...@believewireless.net]

​On towers I know it can be a pain, but it's worth upgrading to the new
beamforming sectors.​

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I complained to Cambium, but they didn't care. They were going to try to
> talk to RF Elements about an adapter.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Gino A. Villarini" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 12, 2017 11:02:55 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Epmp 2000 to Epmp1000 Sector Bracket?
>
>
> We are replacing Epmps 1000 Paps with 2000 and what to keep the existing
> sector, anyone has an adaptor bracket?
>
>
>
> *Gino A. Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tech’s condition is stable after he allegedly rode guy wire down

[can...@believewireless.net]

Chuck, you need Hollywood to make a movie of your life. We'll call it a
comedy...
But I'm sure there is a ton of drama.

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 4:16 PM,  wrote:

> I was on the ground once in a situation like that.  The tower would start
> hissing, then a nearby strike would hit and it would go quiet.  I could
> literally hear a strike building up.  My co workers had left me at the site
> with no rig.  So tower inside a chain link fence or field.  I balanced my
> whole body on my playmate lunch box and rode it out.  Storm passed directly
> overhead with strikes a quarter mile away.
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 9, 2017 1:39 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]Tech’s condition is stable after he allegedly rode
> guy wire down
>
>
> I was on a 500 foot tower when I was 18.  Thunderstorm came up quick and I
> could see the lightening getting closer. I contemplated riding the guy down
> as I had a block pulley with me.
> I figured I was more sure to die that way and set my excess equipment down
> instead so I could move faster. I made it about half way down, belted onto
> the tower and leaned back and rode it out.
> The tower wad humming like a substation with high power lines. Every time
> lightening would strike it world studder. Scary 10 minutes.
>
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017, 11:40 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Until you hit an egg strain insulator...
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 09, 2017 9:48 AM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG]Tech’s condition is stable after he allegedly rode
>> guy wire down
>>
>> Ok..let's say you had to get off tower in a hurry.  You could tie your
>> work and safety lanyards to guyed wire.  So now you are sliding down
>> it...guess you could wrap legs around it and come down slower with
>> hopefully gloved hands.  Or wrap lanyard around guyed wire several times as
>> braking system?  Yikes..still sounds spooky...as a kid we had two of those
>> military type rope things that we would used to slide down one inch rope
>> from tree to tree... about 30 ft down to 20..ah youth!!! How would some of
>> you daring young bucks do it?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> On Jul 9, 2017 9:35 AM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "began to descend due to rain and lightning" - that could be a
>>> reason
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> *From:* Jay Weekley
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 9, 2017 9:30 AM
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tech’s condition is stable after he allegedly rode
>>> guy wire down
>>>
>>> Tech’s condition is stable after he allegedly rode guy wire down from an
>>> ATC Texas tower
>>>
>>> "A tower tech is reported to be in stable condition and is expected to
>>> be released from a hospital tomorrow after reportedly using a guy wire
>>> to descend from his work station on an American Tower Corp. 300-foot
>>> guyed tower off of Highway 183 in Cuero, Tex."
>>>
>>> http://wirelessestimator.com/articles/2017/techs-condition-
>>> is-stable-after-he-fell-from-atc-tower-in-texas/
>>>
>>>
>>> I assume this is a case of "hey y'allwatch this!"
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ot: irritating the old lady

[can...@believewireless.net]

+1

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Looks like a normal living to me.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 06, 2017 6:05 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ot: irritating the old lady
>
> As it turns out, this does not impress them to walk in the front door too,
> they exceptionally love it when you also ate all her chewy chips ahoy
>

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[can...@believewireless.net]

Years ago there was a product called, from what I remember, ClearMesh that
was very cool. It had 3 FSO
links built into that automatically tracked and found new mesh sites. It
had an ethernet port that could be
fed fiber or to a customer. Range was something like 200M and cost ~$7,000
each. Could probably be done
a cheaper and more reliable with 24/60GHz. They were hyping it for a couple
years and I think it only was
on the market for less then a year before they went belly up.

On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 12:11 AM, Robert  wrote:

> I tried to work with an Orbi setup but the configuration was locked up
> against it's own config controls..  i.e. broken.   It uses _All_ of the top
> and bottom of the 5 Ghz spectrum and no way to move it's usage around.
>
> On 6/24/17 7:41 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> Netgear Orbi does that with 4x4 MU-MIMO and multiple radios. Spendy
>> though.
>>
>> - Josh
>>
>> On Jun 24, 2017 9:26 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>> li...@packetflux.com > wrote:
>>
>> I agree with you  I don't know how many times I've had to
>> explain to people why mesh doesn't work well.  And have seen
>> numerous startups fail who think their magic routing voodoo will
>> make this work.   It is one of those technologies which just
>> intuitively seems like should work, but doesn't for so many
>> different reasons.
>>
>> At some point someone is going to build a multi-radio beamforming
>> system which will actually result in the promise of mesh being
>> fulfilled without actually using what I would call mesh.   With
>> beamforming and distinct radios, one could conceptionally build a
>> dynamic point to point backhaul system.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Rory Conaway
>> > wrote:
>>
>> So someone rediscovered mesh?  Umm, yea.  $7M down the tubes.
>>
>> Rory
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:41 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M
>> investment?
>>
>>  > They advertise 75 Mbps symmetrical service.  What radio will
>> do this?
>>
>> All kidding aside, and while I am not going to specifically
>> comment on this particular story
>>
>> Having said that, you all should take a closer look at what Kent
>> Urwiller has been doing with his WISP, using Mimosa Gear. (Micro
>> Pops w/fat backhauls).
>>
>> His posts with a great amount of details can be found in the
>> Mimosa Group and RF Elements group on Facebook.
>>
>> Here is a small snippet from one of his recent posts.. "...
>> Pretty dang amazing really. We are seeing around 130-150 Mbps on
>> a 40 MHz channel to each client thanks to 2.3 and C5c. .."
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
>> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>>  > From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
>>  > To: af@afmug.com 
>>  > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 4:54:19 PM
>>  > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M
>> investment?
>>
>>  > "We use FCC-approved antennas that transmit data using 5 GHz
>> signals,
>>  > similar to the radios in your wifi router, cell phone, or
>> iPad. These
>>  > small antennas are installed at your home by professional
>> installers
>>  > or through a simple self-setup process, then wired into your
>> wifi router."
>>  >
>>  > They advertise 75 Mbps symmetrical service.  What radio will
>> do this?
>>  >
>>  > Good way to turn $7M into nothing.
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > From: Gino A. Villarini
>>  > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 2:30 PM
>>  > To: af@afmug.com 
>>  > Subject: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M
>> investment?
>>  >
>>  > Things that make you go umm�
>>  >
>>  >
>> https://medium.com/@rquintini/the-lynchpin-of-the-future-8d3
>> f8217a0ad
>> > 8d3f8217a0ad>
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  >
>>  > Gino A. Villarini
>>  >
>>  > President  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, 

Re: [AFMUG] mikrotik arp and 192.168.x.x

[can...@believewireless.net]

Are you redistributing connected and/or static routes by chance?

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 4:40 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> I don't know if this is normal to see or what. I cant figure it out
> We have sites that are all isolated by mikrotiks and use ospf between them
>
> what I'm seeing is stuff like site A having a customer on 1.2.3.4 at both
> sites A and B I'm seeing conversations between 1.2.3.4 from site A and
> 192.168.2.1 at site B. Site B does not have the 192.168.2 subnet even
> present. when I put an IP in that subnet on site B mikrotik I see a MAC
> matching that IP, it is also present for an actual customer, we will say
> 5.6.7.8
>
> I'm wondering if there isn't some form of tunnel between these two
> customers isolated by multiple routers that is leaking internal traffic out
> or something of that nature. I'm currently dropping that traffic now, I
> should have been from the get go, but what I don't understand is how, with
> no routes or subnets present this communication is even happening.
>
> Scared me assumes the CIA hacked all my mikrotiks, then hijacked customer
> routers and are somehow using my network to mine bitcoin to fund black site
> operations. Reality tells me its misconfiguration somewhere on my part
>
> any ideas?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Alpha UPS AC Input Breaker Open

[can...@believewireless.net]

I've been really impressed with Alpha's support.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 3:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Yeah, I manually turned on the inverter and left the input breaker
> tripped/off and it ran on battery for about 2 hours until I went and
> flipped the input breaker switch back on.
>
> It did have an Overload event just prior to the breaker trip, which makes
> some sense I guess.
>
> Not sure there was an actual overload or not, but maybe that's the case.
>
> I have everything with two power supplies split between the UPS on one and
> normal power on the other.
>
> I don't have any devices with problems or reboots on Normal power during
> this so called overload event from the UPS.
>
> So Chuck may be right, the UPS might just be breaking slowly.
>
> I'll give Alpha a call and see what they say.
>
> This particular unit is out of warranty, but I have others that are new.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:15 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alpha UPS AC Input Breaker Open
>
> I have no experience with Alpha stuff, but, stupid question... are you
> sure the batteries are good?
>
> On 6/13/2017 12:00 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > Sounds like an internal inverter component is intermittently failing.
> > Most likely an aluminum electrolytic capacitor.
> > It will probably get more frequent until it totally dies.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Sterling Jacobson
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:56 AM
> > To: 'af@afmug.com'
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Alpha UPS AC Input Breaker Open
> >
> > I've never seen this before on my UPS, but the AC Input breaker keeps
> > tripping open on my Alpha about once a day.
> >
> > Nothing else in the cabinet seems to be affected.
> >
> > No other equipment seems to report any problems with the AC.
> >
> > I'm not a guru on these things, what would this indicate?
> >
> > Also, when it does this it shuts off power to the AC output on the UPS
> > instead of going on inverter.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Notice - Removal of "supp...@cambiumnetworks.com" Email

[can...@believewireless.net]

Yeah, not happy about it. E-mail is my preferred method of support.

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Anyone else miffed by this?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck Hemesath" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 7, 2017 12:39:49 PM
> *Subject: *Notice - Removal of "supp...@cambiumnetworks.com" Email
>
> Dear Cambium Customer,
>
>
>
> I’m sending this message to all customers who have opened a ticket with
> the Cambium Support Center in the past year.  We have assisted you in the
> past and want to keep you informed with regards to opening trouble tickets
> and/or RMA tickets with Cambium Support.  As of April 20, 2017, there have
> been some changes to the Cambium Support Center that you need to be aware
> of.
>
>
>
> The use of the supp...@cambiumnetworks.com email to open trouble tickets
> or RMA tickets is *no longer available*.  You should now open tickets via
> the following methods:
>
>
>
> *Online via Support Portal*
>
>
>
>- Go to the https://support.cambiumnetworks.com.  You will need to
>create a Single Sign On (SSO) account login and then a ticket can easily be
>opened.  Once logged into your account, click on the “Submit a Request”
>button in the upper right hand corner and you will be provided a drop down
>menu to start the process.  Refer to this video
> for additional
>assistance on opening tickets.
>
>
>
> *Call the Cambium Technical Assistance Center*
>
>
>
>- Call our Cambium TAC via one of the many worldwide numbers.  Toll
>free numbers for calling the Cambium TAC can be found by going to
>https://support.cambiumnetworks.com
> and clicking on “Contact”.
>
>
>
> Thank you for being a Cambium Networks customer,
>
>
>
> Chuck Hemesath
>
> Director – Global Services Customer Support
>
> [image: cid:image002.png@01D1F439.F77D6B00]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap Outdoor Dual-Band WiFi Client?

[can...@believewireless.net]

Thanks, that's what I purchased. Should arrive today.

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Christopher Gray <cg...@graytechsoftware.com
> wrote:

> MikroTik wAP ac should do it:
> https://routerboard.com/RBwAPG-5HacT2HnD
>
>
> --
>
> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 2:01 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know of a cheap, dual-band wifi client that can be mounted
>> outdoors?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cheap Outdoor Dual-Band WiFi Client?

[can...@believewireless.net]

According to the forum, it can only be used as an AP but can mesh on the
5GHz. I'm looking for a client
that can connect on 2.4GHz or 5GHz.

On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:

> Ubiquiti Mesh radio.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 6, 2017 11:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cheap Outdoor Dual-Band WiFi Client?
>
>
>
> Anyone know of a cheap, dual-band wifi client that can be mounted outdoors?
>

[AFMUG] Cheap Outdoor Dual-Band WiFi Client?

[can...@believewireless.net]

Anyone know of a cheap, dual-band wifi client that can be mounted outdoors?

Re: [AFMUG] IP Architects

[can...@believewireless.net]

I noticed the same thing. Not happy at all.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> So far, not so good with them.
>
> I've spent about $340 for an hour and a half time to have them modify one
> temporary route rule in fifteen seconds.
> Rest of the time appeared to be them attempting to figure things out on
> BGP/eBGP and OSPF.
>
> That didn't fix my problem, just a patch to get some traffic re-routed,
> but left me with a bunch of other problems.
>
> When I asked them about the charge, they wouldn't work with me.
>
> I expect a lot more out of a team that charges top dollar for being the
> top experts.
>
> I'm having problems communicating and scheduling time now to get that
> permanently fixed.
> It appears they want to create an entire lab with separate equipment,
> spending hours of my money, to understand the problem.
>
> So, yeah, not what I was expecting out of them at all.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: aging and shouldas

[can...@believewireless.net]

Buy a battery powered mower... even though mine was just recalled.

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Absolutely not worth the money but some of the active noise canceling
> headsets are amazing, particularly the aviation ones.  This thing is
> amazing:  http://www.lightspeedaviation.com/Zulu3/
> subgrouping.htm?cat=37966
>
> Yeah, I’m the dork wearing it while cutting the lawn.   Can barely hear
> the engine on the mower and the bluetooth music is fantastic.
>
> Oh, and it works great in the airplane too.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On May 27, 2017, at 12:19 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I'm only 39, not that old, given my lifestyle, particularly in my
> formative years, my doctor would describe me as a very robust 92 year old.
> Ive been in and out of work for the last week because of ringing in my
> ears. I was freaked out as fist, given a blackout on a tower last month,
> that I was prepping out for a stroke.
> Turns out its probably tinnitus, not looking forward to this, at all. Id
> rather do a stroke and croak.
> fans are really bad, really really really freaking bad.
> I laid a brick sidewalk a few years ago, fought the city to save it, I
> lost the one on the north side of the house, fired the city concrete crew
> on the west side and put my brick sidewalk back in. this thing is a thing
> of beauty, 8 inches compacted road rock on top of 4 inches compacted lime,
> smoooth, flat, wonderful. literally a freaking road, but I had to stop
> cutting the edge fillers because even with ear plugs in ear muffs the sound
> of the tile saw made me sick.
> I cant even run a circular saw very long
> Now I know why.
> Wear your fucking ear protection
> seriously
> it matters
> I shoulda
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Exclusive Marketing Agreements

[can...@believewireless.net]

This was years ago but one apartment owner with ~50 units was getting $8000
plus free
Internet and TV for the office. I don't remember if the $8k was every year
or every couple of years.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Any idea what companies like Comcast are paying property companies to be
> an "exclusive marketing" partner?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Would you like some porn with your shopping?

[can...@believewireless.net]

And the hits keep on rolling their domain expired and they don't own
it! Their previous IT company does.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> doot doot 
>
> - Josh
>
> On May 18, 2017 3:06 PM, "Chris Wright" <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
>> This is delicious. If you’re on reddit, please post on
>> /r/talesfromtechsupport for that sweet karma.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:18 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Would you like some porn with your shopping?
>>
>>
>>
>> A customer of mine decided they needed some digital displays for their
>> mall. As part of the deal, they decided to replace our Internet
>> ($500/month) with a fiber circuit ($2,500/month)... because we were "too
>> expensive" and redo the WiFi we installed for something like $50k because
>> there were a "few dead spots." Even though we were specifically told not to
>> cover those areas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Total cost of contract to new vendor? $2.2 million.
>>
>>
>>
>> They fired the IT consultant we had been working with and replaced him
>> with the new vendor. After months of not being able to get just about
>> anything to work, they re-hired the IT consultant and kept us and expanded
>> our role.
>>
>>
>>
>> After the IT consultant warned for months the digital displays were
>> insecure, the person in charge of them did nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, today, everyone in the mall was greeted with porn on the monitors.
>> Needless to say, the guy in charge of the project is finally being fired.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Would you like some porn with your shopping?

[can...@believewireless.net]

Yes, it was a mall. The guy they are firing is a character, never liked him
to begin with. They had some program
where payments needed to be made with PayPal. Can't remember what happened,
but the corporate PayPal
account stopped working for some reason. This guy "stepped up" and offered
to use his personal PayPal
account to receive payments and then give them back to the company. That
was years ago and no accounting
has been done since then. And they can't get into the system that sends the
payments because it is now
tied to the guys personal PayPal account!

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I assume someone's palms got pretty greased along the way during this
> "cost effective" project
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Asshats always get in the way of real progress.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:18 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Would you like some porn with your shopping?
>>
>>
>>
>> A customer of mine decided they needed some digital displays for their
>> mall. As part of the deal, they decided to replace our Internet
>> ($500/month) with a fiber circuit ($2,500/month)... because we were "too
>> expensive" and redo the WiFi we installed for something like $50k because
>> there were a "few dead spots." Even though we were specifically told not to
>> cover those areas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Total cost of contract to new vendor? $2.2 million.
>>
>>
>>
>> They fired the IT consultant we had been working with and replaced him
>> with the new vendor. After months of not being able to get just about
>> anything to work, they re-hired the IT consultant and kept us and expanded
>> our role.
>>
>>
>>
>> After the IT consultant warned for months the digital displays were
>> insecure, the person in charge of them did nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, today, everyone in the mall was greeted with porn on the monitors.
>> Needless to say, the guy in charge of the project is finally being fired.
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Would you like some porn with your shopping?

[can...@believewireless.net]

A customer of mine decided they needed some digital displays for their
mall. As part of the deal, they decided to replace our Internet
($500/month) with a fiber circuit ($2,500/month)... because we were "too
expensive" and redo the WiFi we installed for something like $50k because
there were a "few dead spots." Even though we were specifically told not to
cover those areas.

Total cost of contract to new vendor? $2.2 million.

They fired the IT consultant we had been working with and replaced him with
the new vendor. After months of not being able to get just about anything
to work, they re-hired the IT consultant and kept us and expanded our role.

After the IT consultant warned for months the digital displays were
insecure, the person in charge of them did nothing.

So, today, everyone in the mall was greeted with porn on the monitors.
Needless to say, the guy in charge of the project is finally being fired.

Re: [AFMUG] ServerPlus

[can...@believewireless.net]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> No that's "ServerPlus is all over, IT'S ALL OVER MAN!!!"
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> "It's all over at ServerPlus"
>> At first glance This sounded like you meant they were closing their doors
>>
>> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 7:24 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It's all over at ServerPlus
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On May 9, 2017 5:12 PM, "Ben Royer"  wrote:
>>>
 I’d be interested in that support tree if you wouldn’t mind sending
 offlist?

 Thank you,
 Ben Royer, Operations Manager
 Royell Communications, Inc.
 217-965-3699 <(217)%20965-3699> www.royell.net

 *From:* Josh Luthman 
 *Sent:* Thursday, May 04, 2017 1:49 PM
 *To:* af@afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ServerPlus

 If you want to tell JT to look at our support tree you're welcome to
 use it.  We're Powercode as well.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Adam Moffett 
 wrote:

> +1 well put
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 5/4/2017 9:34:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ServerPlus
>
>
> They are only as good as the decision tree you provide for them.
>
> We use them for off hours and overflow.  They don’t make too many
> customers angry...
> They do a very good job of acting like they are us when the customer
> calls, and then that sometimes becomes a bad thing because they are 
> limited
> in what they can do and that is not good enough for lots of customers.  
> All
> call centers have these same problems.
>
> I have worked with lots of call centers, and while I just don’t like
> call centers because they can never be as good as your own people, Server
> Plus is the best one I have worked with.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 03, 2017 10:22 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] ServerPlus
>
> I haven't heard  more badgood thatn goodbad about these guys, but we
> pulled the trigger on these guys.
> I need a nuts and bolts on dealing with these folks, from initial get
> good to ongoing get betters.
>
> we are caveated with powercode, which may be good, may be bad. Our
> Customer Service policy is outstanding compared to most, delivery, not so
> much, I think this is the pickup we need in that department.
>
> Any gotchas with these guys?
>
>
> BTW, WISPAmerica must be the shit, cause a ton of stuff got picked up
> by the bossman.
>
>

>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] rb1100ahx2 bgp load

[can...@believewireless.net]

Take a look at /tool profile (on in Winbox) to see where the CPU load is
going. It is
probably going to routing for BGP but you can verify it here.

Is anything else running on the router? OSPF, VPN, PPPoE, etc?

Where BGP really matters is when you lose one of your peers and it goes
through
and updates the tables. On lower powered boxes, this will peg the CPU and
can
cause OSPF flaps, dropped packets and other issues.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:42 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> We turned up BGP on one of our routers today, 2 peers, full routes, this
> is just one upstream, we will be turning up bgp with another provider
> shortly elsewhere on the network, I assume those tables will make their way
> to this router.
> load averaged 4-12% prior to turning up BGP now its running 60-90, even
> occasionally pegged
>
> is this a matter of tuning BGP and ROS packages, or is this just too much
> for the router? this is only at 150mbps, as we increase capacity I feel we
> have already scaled out of this router if its not a misconfiguration of
> something on my end
>
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Recommenations

[can...@believewireless.net]

I'll reach out to the manufactures directly. I had gone through Tessco in
the past and it would
take them like 6 months to get engineering info back.

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Yeah, even stamped foundation drawings are free.  They consider it cost of
> doing business.  Nice that it is one stop shopping.
>
> Too bad radio manufacturers don’t include free engineering and
> licensing
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 06, 2017 4:48 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower Recommenations
>
>
> You need to have them engineered no matter Whitlock oor you buy. They Will
> do it for free.  I bought a 300' last week.
>
> No matter how big the dish is all three mentioned can design a tower to
> handle it.
>
> On Sat, May 6, 2017, 5:37 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> I was looking at the Sabres and honestly, didn't do too much digging but
>> was unsure they would
>> handle the load of such big dishes at the 130ft height.
>>
>> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I like the shorter Valmonts you  can build by yourself and one helper by
>>> just climbing and attaching one piece at a time.  But they are limited to
>>> 40 feet I think.
>>>
>>> *From:* Mitch Koep
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 06, 2017 4:04 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower Recommenations
>>>
>>>
>> +1000
>>>
>>> On 05/06/2017 04:51 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>>
>> I have built Valmont, Pirod, and Sabre all several times.  I like Sabre
>>> better than any of them. They go together better and I like the design
>>> better. Especially compared to Valmont SS flanges.  They really stack well.
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 6, 2017, 4:31 PM can...@believewireless.net <
>>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was leaning towards self support. I'll check out Pirod from Valmont.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hard to go wrong with a Pirod.  Have done many many Valmonts.  I would
>>>>> do freestanding.  Less twisting than a guyed tower in my opinion.  But 
>>>>> more
>>>>> money.  Much larger foundation.  But no guys and guy anchors to worry 
>>>>> about
>>>>> over the  years.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 06, 2017 2:23 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tower Recommenations
>>>>>
>>>>> We are looking at a location where we would need to erect a tower to
>>>>> hold at least two 6ft dishes at 130ft. What type of tower(s) would you 
>>>>> guys
>>>>> recommend?​
>>>>>
>>>> --
>>> Mitch Koep
>>>
>>> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Recommenations

[can...@believewireless.net]

I was looking at the Sabres and honestly, didn't do too much digging but
was unsure they would
handle the load of such big dishes at the 130ft height.

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I like the shorter Valmonts you  can build by yourself and one helper by
> just climbing and attaching one piece at a time.  But they are limited to
> 40 feet I think.
>
> *From:* Mitch Koep
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 06, 2017 4:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Tower Recommenations
>
>
> +1000
>
> On 05/06/2017 04:51 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> I have built Valmont, Pirod, and Sabre all several times.  I like Sabre
> better than any of them. They go together better and I like the design
> better. Especially compared to Valmont SS flanges.  They really stack well.
>
> On Sat, May 6, 2017, 4:31 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
>> I was leaning towards self support. I'll check out Pirod from Valmont.
>>
>> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hard to go wrong with a Pirod.  Have done many many Valmonts.  I would
>>> do freestanding.  Less twisting than a guyed tower in my opinion.  But more
>>> money.  Much larger foundation.  But no guys and guy anchors to worry about
>>> over the  years.
>>>
>>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 06, 2017 2:23 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tower Recommenations
>>>
>>> We are looking at a location where we would need to erect a tower to
>>> hold at least two 6ft dishes at 130ft. What type of tower(s) would you guys
>>> recommend?​
>>>
>>
> --
> Mitch Koep
>
> A Better Wireless218-851-8689 <(218)%20851-8689> cell
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tower Recommenations

[can...@believewireless.net]

I was leaning towards self support. I'll check out Pirod from Valmont.

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Hard to go wrong with a Pirod.  Have done many many Valmonts.  I would do
> freestanding.  Less twisting than a guyed tower in my opinion.  But more
> money.  Much larger foundation.  But no guys and guy anchors to worry about
> over the  years.
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 06, 2017 2:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tower Recommenations
>
> We are looking at a location where we would need to erect a tower to hold
> at least two 6ft dishes at 130ft. What type of tower(s) would you guys
> recommend?​
>

[AFMUG] Tower Recommenations

[can...@believewireless.net]

We are looking at a location where we would need to erect a tower to hold
at least two 6ft dishes at 130ft. What type of tower(s) would you guys
recommend?​

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD

[can...@believewireless.net]

I had an astronomy professor in college and we got to the part where we
talked about the
theories on how the universe was created. Obviously the one that has the
most "compelling
concrete evidence" is the big bang theory. So we are told that the universe
started with
hydrogen and helium. then something happened. (we still have no
clue what happened
in that first billionth of a second) and then everything was created.

The bible tells us in the beginning there was God and darkness then
something
happened and then there was light.

So my professor pointed out that both science and religion both start with
a premise that
something existed out of nothing and that then something else happened and
here we are.
So they could both be right and they could both be wrong. Science doesn't
tell us where
the helium and hydrogen came from and religion doesn't tell us where God
came from.

Sort of link someone saying, "How do you become a millionaire?" And you
respond,
"Well, first get 1 million dollars."

On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:00 PM,  wrote:

> No, debate and the scientific method is OK.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Friday, April 28, 2017 12:51 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pissed off PhD
>
> So we've cut out politics, but religion is ok?
>
> - Josh
>
> On Apr 28, 2017 1:42 PM,  wrote:
>
>> This guy wrote an op ed piece in the Salt Lake Tribune today criticizing a
>> doctor for claiming that divine intervention saved his wife's life, and
>> the
>> doctor had the temerity to make this announcement on earth day.  So Mr.
>> PhD
>> had to take him to task in the news paper.
>>
>> I looked up the guys email address and sent him the note (at the bottom of
>> the thread).  Not sure if I will get any further replies but I did have
>> some
>> fun this morning...
>>
>> -Original Message- From: ch...@directcom.com
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 12:35 PM
>> To: Gregory Arthur Clark
>> Subject: Re: Letter in the tribune
>>
>> So odd and unexpected.
>>
>> A truth seeker that resorts insulting someone that disagrees and then
>> slams
>> the door?
>> Is that part of the scientific method?
>>
>> Personally, I prefer my pet theories to be disproved so I can continue the
>> search.
>>
>> (BTW, countless anecdotal beyond the veil stories that reveal previously
>> unknown information.  But it seems your search for truth in that direction
>> is clearly halted. )
>>
>> See you in 150 years mate!
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Gregory Arthur Clark
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 12:28 PM
>> To: ch...@directcom.com
>> Subject: RE: Letter in the tribune
>>
>> Replies below.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ch...@directcom.com [mailto:ch...@directcom.com]
>> Sent: Friday, April 28, 2017 12:04 PM
>> To: Gregory Arthur Clark 
>> Subject: Re: Letter in the tribune
>>
>> Hmmm, I note some emotion there.
>>
>> Odd indeed that you are so worked up when if you parse what I wrote, I was
>> not conveying any information about my beliefs in anything.  Nor was I
>> defending at all what Daniels said.  I don't.
>>
>> Odd that you seem to immediately judge me as a dishonest person.
>> ---
>> GC: Curious that you object to my inferences while making so many of your
>> own.  Your irrelevant ad-homs are telling and typical.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Just simply pointing out that it is difficult to prove that something does
>> not exist.
>> You seem to want to debate.  I do know stats and null hypothesis
>> analysis, I
>> am educated.  I am an engineer.
>> 
>> GC: Some educated people still tout nonsense.  Your opening
>> proving-a-negative trope explicitly wrt religion reflects ignorance,
>> trolling, or both. Lose-lose-lose.
>>
>> ==
>> Just teasing a bit.  You seem to want to reject even the possibility that
>> some form of us will exist in 150 years such that we can communicate with
>> each other.
>> 
>> GC: As Hitch says, that which can be asserted without evidence can be
>> dismissed without evidence. But it's worse than that.  Psychics are
>> frauds,
>> as are all who claim to relay or receive messages from beyond the veil.
>> There is compelling concrete evidence that, when put to the test,
>> consciousness does not exist without brain function.
>>
>> • Clark, G.A. “Science doesn’t support life after death claims.” Guest
>> commentary. Standard-Examiner, October 22, 2014 (on-line); October 24
>> (print).
>> Those who return from beyond the veil never tell us anything they couldn’t
>> have said without going anywhere at all. There is no demonstrable
>> awareness
>> after brain shutdown. That’s what this scientific study actually
>> shows--despite trumpeted claims otherwise by the popular press.
>> http://www.standard.net/Guest-Commentary/2014/10/26/Science-
>> doesn-t-support-life-after-death-claims.html
>>
>> =
>> I don't reject that idea at all, I hope for it.
>>
>> GC: Your 

Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"

[can...@believewireless.net]

$8/ft urban?!?! Seems extremely low to me.

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:41 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Looks a bit low to me.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 7:39 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"
>
>
>
> - Josh
>
> On Apr 26, 2017 8:24 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
>> You really ought to consider directional drilling.  Really cuts down on
>> clean up and road repair.  Contractors will do it for about $15/foot.  Or
>> just go rent one from Ditch Witch for a week or so.  They will even do some
>> of it for you for free during the demo phase in hopes you will buy the
>> machine.
>>
>> Yeah, they blow it it... into existing conduit.
>>
>> *From:* Paul McCall
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 26, 2017 5:54 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] "blowing conduit"
>>
>>
>> We are finalizing plans to put fiber throughout a business park and there
>> 9 locations where we are planning on crossing private “roads” to connect
>> the builldings with conduit (aerial not an option).  Its asphalt in 8 of
>> the 9 spots, and the plan was to cut the asphalt (pretty sure our
>> ditchwitch will go right through it) go down about 36” fill it in and have
>> the local “asphalt dude” seal it up.
>>
>>
>>
>> I met with the “superintendent” for the park and he said “Why don’t you
>> just blow the conduit in?”  I laughed at first but he insisted it’s a
>> “thing”.  Says AT does it all the time.   My only thought is directional
>> boring, and he insisted No, that they “blow it in”.   Of course I assume
>> directional boring costs (sub contracting) would cost be a lot more than
>> just cutting through the asphalt, thus my plan.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t want to chase my tail so am seeking enlightenment.
>>
>>
>>
>> *“blowing in conduit”  ???*
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul 
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

[can...@believewireless.net]

APC +1 Add fusing to the surge protector +100

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Add fusing to the surge protector +100
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> APC form Factor +1
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 4:48 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> Nice video Gotta love the Fluke...We have to test lines, fuses,
>>> relays, etc and document at office and then at site before we land wires
>>> and afterwards..We live in the sub 2 amp world.   Some fused terminals
>>> light up when blown, others are green when good, red when bad...Gets
>>> confusing working with different engineers who have design preference...We
>>> try to get standards based like ISA but rarely do they consult with us.
>>>  Recent Magnolia project they pissed away thousands of dollars trying to
>>> use 26GHz radar sensor inside a 3 inch stillwell 35 ft long with air holes
>>> and connection joints with turbulence and crap coming up pipe.   From day
>>> one we said it would not work...We replaced two radars with pilot probes
>>> designed to measure levels inside pipes and turbulence...
>>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2017 3:37 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
 I thought about having a Lissajou pattern on the oscilloscope and maybe
 some Theremin music playing.

 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2017 3:35 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Port Protection

 Nice lab coatYou need some of those cool props Dr. Frankenstein has
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 On Apr 24, 2017 2:35 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> It is done.  Not in production but beta units are available.
>
> https://youtu.be/N9JRBaQSTv4
>

>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] ePMP v3.3

[can...@believewireless.net]

The DFS bug was in relation to 40 MHz channels where it would see false
positives. It does appear
to be fixed in 3.3.

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 5:35 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yes, it's very much more better in 3.3. All of the XM radios we have left
> have been pretty stable since upgrading to 3.3... but it's possible that's
> partially because a lot of the problem radios got replaced before 3.3 was
> released and only the good ones are left. I guess I'll find out when I
> Elevate the next tower.
>
> Unfortunately most of our ubnt 5ghz stuff is XM because of the whole thing
> with the XW radios being limited to the 5.8ghz band until after we had
> already switched most of our 5ghz to ePMP...
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> I heard a lot of bad stuff about Elevate and XM radios. Is that more
>> better now?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 18, 2017 4:20:23 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] ePMP v3.3
>>
>> I've been slowly upgrading everything to 3.3, mostly because of the SNMP
>> lockup thing in 3.2.2... and everything using Elevate is on 3.3, because
>> they had some major fixes for UBNT XM radios, but I don't know that we have
>> an ePMP stuff using DFS... if we do, it's off somewhere in a distant corner
>> of the network that I haven't touched in months.
>>
>> If I remember right, there were some major DFS issues starting with 3.0,
>> and I think it was mostly fixed by 3.2 but since it didn't affect me
>> much, I haven't paid too close of attention.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:30 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone else miss the Mikrotik days where every single change was
>>> instant? =(
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 2:52 PM, George Skorup >> > wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I don't have much on 3.3 yet. One of the annoyances I've
 experienced so far is that ANY config change, something even as simple as
 enabling syslog web view, will cause a system-wide config reload which
 results in DFS having to go through CAC all over again, obviously on an AP
 running in DFS land anyway. This didn't happen with 3.2.2. I'm sure this
 had to be done probably for a number of reasons, but I'm positive that one
 of them was that I informed Cambium a few months ago that an old bug came
 back. It was possible (on 3.2.2) to make the GUI available on the NAT WAN
 interface even with the separate wireless management interface enabled
 after saving network config changes. The only fix was to reboot the SM. Now
 I take it that they're completely resetting drivers, interfaces and daemons
 upon save w/ 3.3.

 Anyway.. I haven't loaded 3.3 on any deployed gear running in DFS bands
 yet, mostly just bench stuff, so I can't say if more DFS issues have been
 positively resolved. I believe there were some notes about radar stuffs in
 3.3 betas/RCs though.

 On 4/18/2017 11:44 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:

 I thought that had been fixed awhile back... but I can't even remember
 what the problem was, so I could be wrong.

 On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Hasn't been any mention of it.  I don't use it myself.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Dan Petermann 
> wrote:
>
>> Did they get the DFS figured out yet?
>>
>> It seems to me there was a problem using the DFS bands, but I can’t
>> seem to find what it was.
>
>
>


>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Vlan

[can...@believewireless.net]

Depending on the interface, the bridge will have more performance issues
than the vlans.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 9:44 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Ok,
> Some more fun with vlans, I want to know are there any issues with having
> multiple vlans on a bridge in routerOS?
>
> I have been to a ton of sessions about mikrotik and vlans till Im blue in
> the face LOL
> I dont think there will be but wanted to know what others have done and
> what performance is seen.
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[can...@believewireless.net]

I prefer the AF11 to the B11 and am thinking of replacing the B11 with the
AF11 as well.

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> The web site will send your information over to Liz, though, IIRC.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, April 12, 2017 11:50:31 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>
>
> The website does not handle FCC stuff... you still have to go through a
> coordinator, same as any other 11ghz link.
>
> They work, and they get a ton of throughput for cheap, but don't expect
> them to work like a SAF. Between the two, I think I actually prefer the
> AF11... they can't quite match the speed of the B11, but they behave more
> like a normal licensed radio than the B11... they just lack an SFP port and
> 80mhz channels.
>
> On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> we are looking to drop some dough on these guys if the sales pitch is true
>>
>> does the website handle the FCC stuff? I personally find that hard to
>> believe, considering the FCC itself has a fee, unless the reseller
>> (unnamed) is building it into the price. Still less than SAF
>> Im not looking to move away from SAF, my only complaint with SAF is that
>> it works too well, so much that I altered routing the other day before I
>> realized the winds a while back turned the 800 plus pound ballast NPM and
>> the signal drop wasnt weather fade and that up until essentially nothing
>> the beast runs at full modulation
>>
>> Literally, the only reason for looking at mimosa is the low cost, and
>> comparing the low cost of mimosa to SAF, its alot, considering SAF is
>> relatively cheap.
>>
>> from what Ive seen, mimosa is like running mikrotik routers, you pay a
>> shit ton less in exchange for a little more poking, not constant diddling,
>> just occasional poking.
>>
>> I have no interest in looking at ubnt noisy crickets on our licensed
>> gear, but mimosa seems promising
>>
>> I need a good teeth kick now before we commit to at least 3 links locked
>> into this gear
>>
>> SAF presales engineering is on the cautious side, a good example is our
>> first licensed link, our partner told us could be done with cambium at 2
>> foot antennas on each side
>>
>> the reseller told use with SAF it required a 3 and a 4, and that (without
>> saying it) our partner was smoking crack cocain after they took bath salts.
>> I have no doubt at 2 foot the link would have come up, but not to a degree
>> that a 30 db drop caused by a turned NPM would still result in full
>> modulation until failure,
>>
>> I dont want to have an "It will link" solution at the end of the day
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4 Port ATA ?

[can...@believewireless.net]

​We had horrible luck with that device. We ended up swapping them for two
2-port ATAs.​

On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Anybody had good success with a 4 port ATA such as …
> https://www.amazon.com/Grandstream-GS-HT704-Analog-Telephone-Adapter/dp/
> B007PEJK78   ??
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Strange OSPF problem

[can...@believewireless.net]

Is the customer connecting via PPPoE? That would generate a /32 route that
is being advertised.

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Any routing marks involved?  Any mangle or firewall rules which would
> match this customer and not others?
>
> When you're saying "traceroute stops at", is that the site giving the last
> reply?
>
> What if you specify different source IP's on your traceroute from the
> NOC?  Maybe tower A is missing one route, but not others.
>
> One other thingI had a couple of anomalies go away when I switched
> OSPF interfaces from broadcast to point-to-point mode.  I thought the only
> difference was the OSFP messages are sent unicast, but a few goofy things
> stopped happening when I did that.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Justin Marshall" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 3/31/2017 12:55:43 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Strange OSPF problem
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> I have an odd situation with OSPF.
>
>
>
> There are 2 towers (Tower A and Tower B) and a NOC involved that feeds
> both towers.
>
> Tower A is directly connected to the NOC via Mikrotik Backhaul.  Tower B
> is directly connected to the NOC via *Fiber.*
>
> Tower B is connected to Tower A via *Fiber.*
>
>
>
> When tower A is running straight off the NOC (via Mikrotik Backhaul)
> everything works as it should.
>
>
>
> We are trying to make a switchover to have Tower A run off Tower B so it
> will be a Fiber connection all the way to Tower A (through tower B) and
> eliminate the Mikrotik Backhaul.
>
>
>
> When I change cost on the OSPF interfaces to make this happen, all
> customers work as they should and following the normal path to/from the
> Internet as expected.  However, for one of the customers on Tower A,
> traceroutes to that one customer stop at Tower A (through tower B) from the
> NOC.  Traceroutes towards the NOC, from the customer stops at Tower B.
>
>
>
> All customers are on the same subnet.
>
>
>
> I can directly ping the customer in question from both Tower B and Tower A
> (and the traffic is taking the correct path), but not from the NOC.  From
> the NOC all traffic stops at Tower B
>
>
>
> The only real difference for the customer that is not working is they are
> using a Sonic Wall, and the other customers have Mikrotik routers behind
> the CPE's.  We have tried elimating the sonc wall, and replacing it with a
> laptop for testing, and the traffic flow failed in the same way.
>
>
>
> Tried all kinds of things and we are quite stumped.
>
>
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Justin
>
> just...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Semi OT: Selling web browsing history

[can...@believewireless.net]

I find it funny these people are taking to Facebook about this... adding
another piece of data Facebook can track and sell.


On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 7:23 PM,  wrote:

> Yeah, it was never intended to cover us.  It really was intended to keep
> the big boys from blocking competing services.  Like Comcast blocking
> Netflix.  Network neutrality was the common name of the rules.  Those same
> rules said we could not throttle or use something like procera to traffic
> shape.  But there was a loop hole to allow for network congestion
> management.
>
> In any event it is history.  I never noticed the whole selling data aspect
> of that reg.  Just the throttling portion.  So I guess there was some stuff
> that prevented selling... but now it is gone?  Meh.
>
> Google sells everything they get.  Always have, always will.
> Use adblockers and incognito mode etc if you want to attempt.  Or a proxy
> if you are really serious.
>
> Meh... meh
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 29, 2017 5:05 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Semi OT: Selling web browsing history
>
> Has anyone here been offered money for data on clients web browsing or
> other online activity?  Have you ever sought and found a company that would
> buy it?  Is there a known case of an ISP doing this?  I'm betting all 3 are
> "no".
>
> A couple of friends are going nuts on Facebook about the reversal of a law
> that would prohibit ISP's from selling or sharing various types of data.
> The law was signed under the previous administration, but never took
> effect.  Until now I'd not even heard of it.
>
> I singled out the most vehement one and told him to calm down.  I told him
> of all the types of data we'd be prohibited from sharing (Medical,
> financial, social security etc) we don't actually have most of it to begin
> with.  Of all the cited things we're allegedly "allowed" to share/sell, the
> only thing I conceivably could produce would be a web browsing history.
> Ok, so if I wanted to sell that, who's buying?  I argue that you should be
> more worried about Google and Facebookwho *really do* have access to
> a crapload of your data.  And what is so secret in your browser history
> anyway?
>
> One person brought up a case of a Verizon Wireless "Super Cookie" (X-UIDH
> header inserted into HTTP requests).  A case where incidentally the FCC
> told them people needed an opt-out option and fined them $1.3mil for not
> having it...without any additional rules.  And the so-called super
> cookie only allowed web services to uniquely identify the device and key
> their own data around itVerizon wasn't "sharing" anything.
>
> Ultimately I don't care whether there's such a rule or not.  It seems
> irrelevant.  It's like a rule telling me not to share my space shuttle with
> anyone.  I'm like, "Sure, no problem."
>
> If there's a reason I should be excited/alarmed, someone please educate me.
>
> -Adam
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix

[can...@believewireless.net]

So we should now bypass all our APC-type surge suppressors that are
connected to Netonix?

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:26 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I am going to fix this little problem...
>
> Netonix will fix your port for something like $25
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2017 8:56 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Netonix
>
>
> Yeah. We accidentally hooked up an AF24 through a Cambium surge
> suppressor, and it fragged the port on the Netonix. We were swapping from
> something else that had been on the cable, and completely forgot that it
> was going through that surge suppressor. Hard lesson learned.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/24/2017 1:27 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> OK,  had an exchange with Netonix today.  It is just as Matt Hoppes said.
> You short out their POE and it will blow the Ethernet transformer.
>
> I really presumed they had circuitry like Forrest that could detect and
> shut down in an over current situation.  They do have poly fuses which are
> slow to react and may protect it from a very brief short, but longer shorts
> will indeed harm the port feeding the transformer.
>
> So, Netonix is not active POE.  I would say that on passive POE a plain
> surge suppressor should not be used.  I am working some “non plain” surge
> suppressors now ;-)  Stay tuned to this bat channel and a big thanks to
> Matt for forcing me to learn something new.  It was painful, but I can do
> painful things when I have to.
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2017 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix
>
> tnx
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2017 9:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix
>
> chris.sisler
> ( A )
> netlinx.net
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> Anyone know the email for the guy that runs Netonix?
>>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

[can...@believewireless.net]

What is the minimum block they bill at?

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 5:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> I don’t mind that as long as I’m not spending an hour minimum billing for
> a couple of emails replys.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 2:37 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Not out of turn at all! You’re absolutely correct – 10 hour minimum.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:33 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> I don't want to speak out of turn, but I think you have to buy a minimum
> block of time, like 10 hrs if I remember right. I don't think the time
> expires so if you have an issue that only takes 2 hrs, then you still get
> your remaining hours to use if you have another issue later.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 12:22 PM, can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> I'll gladly pay more to get the correct answer quickly, then pay someone
> "less" wasting time looking for the answer.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright <ch...@velociter.net> wrote:
>
> We’ve used them in the past. They are as capable as they are expensive.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:44 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Good bunch of guys who seem to know their stuff. The have a partner
> arrangement with a DC in Denver they hooked us up with. It's been good for
> us.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> I only talked with the sales guy, who obviously was an engineer himself.
> Their seems to be a ton of knowledge there
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:43 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then
> nearly an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy.
> We'll likely use them for some large projects coming up.
>
>
>
> They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it
> more than most consultants do.
>
>
>
> Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>
> Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?
>
>
>
> Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of
> Mikrotik consulting?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Darin Steffl
>
> Minnesota WiFi
>
> www.mnwifi.com
>
> 507-634-WiFi
>
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback

[can...@believewireless.net]

I'll gladly pay more to get the correct answer quickly, then pay someone
"less" wasting time looking for the answer.

On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> We’ve used them in the past. They are as capable as they are expensive.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 9:44 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Good bunch of guys who seem to know their stuff. The have a partner
> arrangement with a DC in Denver they hooked us up with. It's been good for
> us.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> I only talked with the sales guy, who obviously was an engineer himself.
> Their seems to be a ton of knowledge there
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Darin Steffl
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 8:43 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> We haven't used them yet but the introduction call with a sales guy then
> nearly an hour long call with an engineer left me feeling warm and fuzzy.
> We'll likely use them for some large projects coming up.
>
>
>
> They seem to know what's going on and probably know mikrotik and test it
> more than most consultants do.
>
>
>
> Not sure why you're having trouble sterling. They are attentive to me.
>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 6:28 PM Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Hmmm… they claim 35 consultants on staff… you have had problems Sterling?
>
>
>
> Can you tell me more?  Offlist, if need be
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:38 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Other than I can never get them to contact me? Nope.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Paul McCall
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 21, 2017 2:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPArchitects - feedback
>
>
>
> Anybody have good or bad experience with these folks in the area of
> Mikrotik consulting?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Darin Steffl
>
> Minnesota WiFi
>
> www.mnwifi.com
>
> 507-634-WiFi
>
>  Like us on Facebook
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla

[can...@believewireless.net]

I highly doubt people were just buying the 75 as they say. Think this will
hurt sales? They already did this to the Model X.
Or are they hoping the Model 3 will fill the gap?

On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Interesting note from Tesla this morning:
>
> Customers who still want the opportunity to own a 60 kWh Model S will have
> until April 16, 2017 to place their order. Any 60 kWh Model S will have the
> ability to upgrade their battery to 75 kWh via an over the air update.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird Mikrotik issue

[can...@believewireless.net]

Remember having this happen years ago. Can't remember if it required a
reboot or upgrade to fix.
Also, try it via CLI if you are using Winbox.

On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Andreas Wiatowski 
wrote:

> We have one router that can’t seem to get a password to stick in a CCR
> router.
>
>
>
> Even if I change the password in this router is defaults back to no
> password?  Anyone ever see this
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> __
>
> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO
>
> Silo Wireless Inc.
>
> Email  andr...@silowireless.com
>
> 19 Sage Court
>
> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA)
>
> Tel +1.519.449.5656  Extension-600 <(519)%20449-5656>|Fax +1.519.449.5536
> <(519)%20449-5536> |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 <(866)%20727-4138>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] AF24 and Edgepoint Slow Speed in 1 Direction

[can...@believewireless.net]

Check all of your MTU settings. If you are using jumbo frames, make sure
the MTU is set in the routers, switch and in the AF24s as well.

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 6:39 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:

> Now I'm starting to really get confused.
>
> I physically changed the AF24, and now I can send 1500b ICMP Packets
> through it with no loss and UDP BW Test is fine, but TCP BW Test will
> connect but pass 0 traffic.
>
> If I change the Edgepoint to send tagged traffic over the AF24, instead of
> untagged to the Mikrotik on the other end.  Everything is perfect.  Change
> it back to untagged, and Pings still go through, but no TCP Traffic.
>
> The Original AF24 radio does not work Either tagged or Untagged, so I'm
> pretty sure there is something wrong with it.
>
>
>
>
> On 2/27/2017 4:05 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
>> I think this might be an issue between the Edgepoint and the Airfiber.  I
>> set the Port on the Edgepoint on the same network as the AF24 radio, and as
>> I increase ICMP Packet size, I start to have more and more packet loss to
>> the radio itself.
>>
>> This was a Brand New AF24, cable length is about 10'  Showing 29DB SNR on
>> all cable pairs.  However I'm realizing now that the radio plugged into the
>> Edgepoint does not give me a cable length, but the AF24 on the other end
>> does.  I wonder if this is an older unit I ended up with and there's some
>> sort of Ethernet incompatibility. Reading through the forums, there's a lot
>> of posts about older AF24 units and MTU size speculating that a hardware
>> changed occurred somewhere along the line, but never confirmed by UBNT.
>>
>> Nate
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/2017 8:34 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>> Nate,
>>> For testing purposes
>>>
>>> Considering using the Traffic Generator vs the BW Test tool. (look at
>>> the MT wiki for instructions).
>>> With CCR1009, pay attention to which ports you are connecting to.. due
>>> to the switch chip in there, not all ports have 1g connection to the CPU.
>>>
>>> Avoid, bridge ports, change the default interface queue to
>>> ethernet-defaut
>>> you can also get more information out of the AF24, by connecting to them
>>> via ssh/telnet and issuing emacstat command..
>>>
>>> I am not sure about the Edgepoint or 16SG, if they provide enhanced
>>> ethernet stats. (We like the netonix cause they show a lot more details of
>>> ethernet stats, the MT will also do that when you look at the ethernet
>>> stats via CLI)
>>>
>>> All of these should be able to help you find the issue.
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>>
 From: "Nate Burke" 
 To: af@afmug.com
 Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 9:08:12 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF24 and Edgepoint Slow Speed in 1 Direction
 Flow control is disabled in both the Edgepoint and the 16SG. I found a
 CCR1009 with an SFP+ Port I can put on the 16XG to test to the X86 10G
 card.  Other than the Tik on the other end of the AF24 link, I don't
 have any other Tik's directly connected to this setup.

 On 2/26/2017 10:10 PM, Mitch Koep wrote:

> Flow Control??
>
>
> On 02/26/2017 06:31 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
>
>> I have a setup which I just Installed, and I'm trying to track down
>> no speed in 1 direction on the link, Not having much luck so far, so
>> I thought I'd ask.  The AF24 is reporting full modulation.  I can't
>> even maintain a winbox connection to the router.
>>
>> RB1100X2 -> Copper to AF24
>> AF24 -> Copper to Edgepoint S16 -> 10G fiber to Edgeswitch 16XG ->
>> 10G fiber to X86 Mikrotik with Dell KJYD8 Broadcom 10G card.
>>
>> The Mikrotik to AF24 path is on the default Vlan1 on the 16XG and
>> Edgepoint S16.
>>
>> Bandwidth Test results:
>> TCP BW test at 500mb+ from the RB1100X2 (cpu limit) to the X86
>> ~2mb from the X86 to the RB1100X2.
>>
>> UDP BW Test at 700MB from the RB1100X2 to the X86
>> X86 is transmitting 700mb, but the RB1100 is only receiving ~400mb
>>
>> MTU on everything is set to 1518.
>>
>>
>> Open to any ideas of what to try.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Siklu Multihaul PTMP 60 ghz

[can...@believewireless.net]

It's up the spec sheet download. Good up to 300 meters.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> I don't see any mention of range. What's this good for? 2000 feet?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/23/2017 6:52 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
> https://www.siklu.com/portfolio-posts/multihaul-point-to-multi-point/
>
> �
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port

[can...@believewireless.net]

We just got two in last week from Baltic.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Baltic had some but they are on backorder again.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 1, 2017 6:28 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] The smallest Mikrotik with a 10GbE port
>
>
>
> Ordered one of these shipped direct from Latvia, not in stock in the US
> yet:
>
>
>
> https://routerboard.com/CCR1009-7G-1C-1SplusPC
>
>
>
> Anyone else have one on hand?  I'm testing it for a few different
> purposes.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain

[can...@believewireless.net]

OkCupid changed their rating system as it appeared to different users. It
seems just telling people
they are a good match, actually makes them like each other more.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/07/29/okcupid-admits-to-manipulating-user-data-and-its-not-alone/

On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 6:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> jesus Christ, if my broad was like me, Id shoot the bitch
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> If your idea of a perfect mate is you with a wig, there might be
>> something wrong with you.  I guess Pina Coladas and long walks in the rain
>> might be a tipoff also.  I suppose some people like pina coladas, but who
>> likes long walks in the rain?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:35 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>>
>>
>>
>> If eHarmony’s algorithm was supposed to match people that were most
>> alike, it would have been called eMelody.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chris Wright
>>
>> Network Administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:04 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>>
>>
>>
>> They all looked pretty legit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey, worked out OK for Napoleon Dynamite’s brother.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 12:46 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>>
>>
>>
>> But are they chatbots like on Ashley Madison?
>>
>>
>>
>> (My son refuses to believe his “Internet girlfriend” is probably a 300 lb
>> tranny in Thailand who will eventually want him to wire money for an
>> airline ticket.  Hah!  Like he has any money.)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 1:00 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>>
>>
>>
>> Yeah, I can see that.  But most of the preferences were the same between
>> us.  I was just trying to game it to produce a match.
>>
>> I am very surprised at the quantity of matches we did get.  Holy cow
>> there are a lot of fairly local, similar age folks lookin’ for love out
>> there.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Travis Johnson
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2017 11:55 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Pina Colada and long walks in the rain
>>
>>
>>
>> Compatibility between people doesn't necessarily mean same preferences.
>> Usually people with different characteristics are actually better matched.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>> On 1/26/2017 11:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> For fun, my wife and I both got a free eHarmony account.  Worked hard to
>> have the exact same preferences.  Only differences is our ages.
>>
>> One week later and we still have not been matched to each other.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wonder if the algorithm somehow knows we are related.  I don’t think it
>> asked for addresses.  Not even sure it asked for a last name.
>>
>> In any event I guess this must mean that we are not compatible...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Slightly, Cost of Living

[can...@believewireless.net]

While starting my ISP, I lived very frugally. No paid TV, only made enough
to pay bills and make dinner.
Now, I'm reaping the rewards of putting all that money back into my company
and taking a fat salary
and still putting money back into the company.

Compared to you, yes, I'm living "extravagantly" now. But if I average it
out over the years, I'm still
not making much on average. But, it's growing fast. Money does seem to go
further for me and this
ISP thing seems like an ATM with money constantly rolling in.

I don't work as much as I used to and have tons of free time. But, that was
by design and why I
decided to get into the recurring revenue business.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 1:23 PM,  wrote:

> God Bless freaking Obama Care!
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 11:12 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Slightly, Cost of Living
>
>
> I could literally buy two more houses on my cost of insurances alone.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Fabien
> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 11:05 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Slightly, Cost of Living
>
>
>
> Personally, I am afraid to add up what I spend on all our various
> insurance policies, business stuff and personal, because I am sure I'd have
> a heart attack... I think it's a large part of the strain.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 12:57 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> I'm guessing this information is like a lot of you out there.
>
> Except maybe my earnings because I am making about double median gross
> salary for my city.
>
> I'm not saying I work double, but I do fulfill many roles as the only
> salary employee of my startup ISP.
> I don't think I can replace myself for the same cost to the company, so I
> feel ok with that.
>
> I don't live extravagantly, but I do live comfortably.
>
> I have a 3100 sqr foot rambler I've lived in since 2001 with a house
> payment of around $1500 a month.
>
> But my biggest expense is health/insurance and medical.
>
> I now pay about $2100 a month for my family health insurance through IHC.
> I just signed up for a good Dental Gold plan at $100 a month for my
> family, but since it's not company I have to wait 6-12 months for a lot of
> the benefits :(
> The insurance deductibles are I think around $6000 a year and I have
> medications that eat up most of that.
>
> I just upped my life and disability insurance on myself and my wife to
> make sure things don't go bad if I die, that's around $550 a month.
>
> I think I spend about $1000 a month on eating, groceries and movies/date
> nights, at least that's what I came up to in December so that might be a
> bit off.
>
> I've got real estate I'm still trying to sell, but it's not the panica
> everyone says it is, lol!
>
> I just feel like finances don't go as far as they used to a few years ago.
>
> I'm not sparking a political debate, just wanted to see if everyone see
> things in a similar light?
>
> Or am I just doing the wrong things?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tesla autopilot and crash

[can...@believewireless.net]

The autopilot is the main reason I'd buy a Tesla. It's pretty amazing stuff.

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 6:08 PM,  wrote:

> I am surprised at the fact that the autopilot was a good 1-2 seconds ahead
> of myself noticing anything wrong.
> I can only guess that the radar was tracking the car ahead of the red one
> and knew that the red one was closing on it.
> I think that perhaps there was a reflection from the car ahead of the red
> one that was tracked.
> You can kinda imagine you can see that car to the left of the red car.
>
> In any event, makes me want this feature.
>
> https://twitter.com/HansNoordsij/status/813848411611025408
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small rack mount server for tower site

[can...@believewireless.net]

We used these power supplies:

http://www.powerstream.com/DC-PC-48V.htm

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Looking for server to run VM (Proxmox) and Windows desktop instance and
> CentOs. Only have 16” of depth
>
>
>
> 4 Gb is sufficient but would like to do 8 GB.   Thinking SMALL.  Gonna run
> SSD drive(s) in it.
>
>
>
> Of course, 48v may be too much to ask J
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[can...@believewireless.net]

Yup, have that. Still not as good as the Roku remote.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> http://www.howtogeek.com/214400/how-to-use-your-iphone-
> or-ipad-as-a-second-apple-tv-remote/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
> can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Friday, December 9, 2016 6:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now
>
>
>
> Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between it and the
> HD FiOS TV I have. But haven't
>
> moved it to my 4k TV yet.
>
>
>
> Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically friendly,
> just not happy with the Apple TV
>
> remote.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
> FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
>
> Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to
> viewing on the PC.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Directv Now

[can...@believewireless.net]

Received mine yesterday. I couldn't tell the difference between it and the
HD FiOS TV I have. But haven't
moved it to my 4k TV yet.

Although, I hate the remote. The Roku remote is so ergonomically friendly,
just not happy with the Apple TV
remote.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 5:21 PM,  wrote:

> FedEx says my apple tv is waiting on my doorstep when I get home.
> Be interesting to see the difference in the user experience as compared to
> viewing on the PC.
>

Re: [AFMUG] telco batteries

[can...@believewireless.net]

We've used Deka and Northstar and they perform flawlessly. Thinking about
trying Carber Power.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 9:33 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 148/1200=12.3 cents per watt hour.
> -Original Message- From: George Skorup Sent: Thursday, December
> 08, 2016 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] telco batteries
> So what are you folks using for 100AH telco type batteries these days? Or
> are you keeping things cheap and going UB121000's from Amazon? They're like
> half the price of the traditional telco types with the terminals both at
> one end.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix DC voltage alarms

[can...@believewireless.net]

It sends e-mail alerts on port changes automatically. Haven't had any power
issues to test if it e-mails on ow voltage.

2016-12-07 8:01 GMT-05:00 Stefan Englhardt :

> Cant you configure email alerts ?
>
>
>  Ursprüngliche Nachricht 
> Von: Josh Baird 
> Datum: 07.12.16 13:58 (GMT+01:00)
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] Netonix DC voltage alarms
>
>