subject:"Re\: \[AFMUG\] POE Fuse ..."

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-15 Thread TJ Trout

+1

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> +1
>
> On 2/15/18 7:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
>> I can.ï¿½ I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger
>> pull hole.
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>> You can make the cards longerï¿½
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <
>> ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> I ran out of room when I tried.ï¿½ That is on the APC version.
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>> O need both the SS and the Fuse? canï¿½t they be integrated in the same
>> unit?
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <
>> ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> *//*
>>
>> */Gino A. Villarini/*
>>
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> Two similar questions:
>> Surge suppressors can blow ports.ï¿½ If you have a surge, the surge
>> protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.ï¿½ That shorts them
>> all together and grounds them.ï¿½ That will also blow some POE ports.
>> So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need
>> fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector.ï¿½ Learned this
>> the hard way.
>> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>> So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge
>> arrestor card as well?
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>>
>> per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else
>> was too slow.
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to
>> make a device that recovers automatically after the short
>> circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect
>> the port?
>>
>> Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> We have been shipping for months.
>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the
>> cost of the fuse.
>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other
>> intangible expenses involved in blowing a port.
>>
>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my
>> distributors.ï¿½ I don't encourage anyone to buy off my
>> ecommerce site and pay full list price.ï¿½ That site is only
>> there to generate sales for distributors.
>>
>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.
>>  Same formula across the board pretty much.ï¿½ I try to have
>> unique products you can't get other places.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ If volume
>> increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down
>> due to the fact that my costs come down.ï¿½ For example, if I
>> am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for
>> each.ï¿½ But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
>>
>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower
>> surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I
>> worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list
>> price considerably and still maintain my m

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-15 Thread Robert


+1

On 2/15/18 7:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I can.ï¿½ I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger 
pull hole.

*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
You can make the cards longerï¿½
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

I ran out of room when I tried.ï¿½ That is on the APC version.
*From:* Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
O need both the SS and the Fuse? canï¿½t they be integrated in the same unit?
From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

*//*

*/Gino A. Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Two similar questions:
Surge suppressors can blow ports.ï¿½ If you have a surge, the surge 
protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.ï¿½ That shorts them 
all together and grounds them.ï¿½ That will also blow some POE ports.
So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need 
fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector.ï¿½ Learned this 
the hard way.

*From:* can...@believewireless.net
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge 
arrestor card as well?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else
was too slow.
On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to
make a device that recovers automatically after the short
circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect
the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the
cost of the fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other
intangible expenses involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my
distributors.ï¿½ I don't encourage anyone to buy off my
ecommerce site and pay full list price.ï¿½ That site is only
there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. 
Same formula across the board pretty much.ï¿½ I try to have

unique products you can't get other places.ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ If volume
increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down
due to the fact that my costs come down.ï¿½ For example, if I
am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for
each.ï¿½ But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower
surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I
worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list
price considerably and still maintain my margins.

-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
When are these going to be available ?
We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports
appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is
protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-15 Thread chuck

I can.  I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger pull 
hole.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

You can make the cards longer… 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

  Gino A. Villarini

  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

I ran out of room when I tried.  That is on the APC version.  

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit? 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

  Gino A. Villarini

  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Two similar questions:

Surge suppressors can blow ports.  If you have a surge, the surge protector 
will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.  That shorts them all together and 
grounds them.  That will also blow some POE ports.  

So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses 
to protect the POE source from the surge protector.  Learned this the hard way. 

From: can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor 
card as well? 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too 
slow.

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a 
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also 
responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

  We have been shipping for months.
  The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
  And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.

  The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That 
site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

  All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get 
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price 
down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 
surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 
of them it may be $2.50.

  I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and 
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

  -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

  Hi Chuck,

  Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

  Question & critique.
  When are these going to be available ?
  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-15 Thread Gino A. Villarini

You can make the cards longer…

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Gino A. Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

I ran out of room when I tried.  That is on the APC version.

From: Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Gino A. Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:2FEFBECBDEC54B54AEBC8967FFCE8069@ChuckMcCownPC]

Two similar questions:

Surge suppressors can blow ports.  If you have a surge, the surge protector 
will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.  That shorts them all together and 
grounds them.  That will also blow some POE ports.

So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses 
to protect the POE source from the surge protector.  Learned this the hard way.

From: can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor 
card as well?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device 
that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also 
responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved 
in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't encourage 
anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That site is only 
there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula across 
the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get other 
places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down 
due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 
surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 
of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for 
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was 
able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
When are these going to be available ?
We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-15 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Fair point Jaime. 

One can look at as "Life Insurance" ... e.g. one time use when needed ! 
(I am not arguing about the need for it.. just making the case that we would 
like to see it a bit more cost effective :) ) 

:) 

regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:12:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

> I will climb the tallest tree or tower and cry out  Franklin lightning
> protection method has worked very well for us. I shared posts several years 
> ago
> of a UV system that kept getting hit and damaged until I put an air terminal 
> 10
> ft. above tower and ran copper wire straight down to grounding rods...that's
> step one.. grounding and in line protection on all copper lines using best
> method and products like Chuck's.

> Jaime Solorza

> On Feb 14, 2018 8:05 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote:

>> So while we are playing what if's

>> let's face reality...
>> If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit.
>> Chances of one or two only is small

>> Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the 
>> benefit of
>> having a POE switch.

>> :)

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Robert Andrews" < i...@avantwireless.com >
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 1:20:57 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

>> > I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
>> > card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the
>> > initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...



>> > On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> >> Thanks for the reply...

>> >> I was looking at things more simply...
>> >> To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
>> >> Switch value may be in similar ball park

>> >> It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

>> >> I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

>> >> Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase 
>> >> qty, if
>> >> that will help in bring the cost down.

>> >> Regards.

>> >> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> >> - Original Message -
>> >>> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com >
>> >>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com >
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

>> >>> We have been shipping for months.
>> >>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
>> >>> fuse.
>> >>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
>> >>> involved in blowing a port.

>> >>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't
>> >>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
>> >>> That
>> >>> site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

>> >>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula
>> >>> across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get
>> >>> other places. If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
>> >>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am
>> >>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I 
>> >>> am
>> >>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

>> >>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
>> >>> for
>> >>> exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying 
>> >>> and
>> >>> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
>> >>> margins.

>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
>> >>> To: Animal Farm
>> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

>> >>> Hi Chuck,

>> >>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

>> >>> Question & critique.
>> >>> When are these going to be available ?
>> >>> We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>> >>> (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
>> >>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

>> >>> Regards.

>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net

>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Jaime Solorza

I will climb the tallest tree or tower and cry out  Franklin lightning
protection method has worked very well for us.   I shared posts several
years ago of a UV system that kept getting hit and damaged until I put an
air terminal 10 ft. above tower and ran copper wire straight down to
grounding rods...that's step one.. grounding and in line protection on all
copper lines using best method and products like Chuck's.

Jaime Solorza

On Feb 14, 2018 8:05 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:

> So while we are playing what if's
>
> let's face reality...
> If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit.
> Chances of one or two only is small
>
> Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the
> benefit of having a POE switch.
>
>
> :)
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 1:20:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>
> > I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
> > card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
> > initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...
> >
> >
> >
> > On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> >> Thanks for the reply...
> >>
> >> I was looking at things more simply...
> >>   To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
> >>   Switch value may be in similar ball park
> >>
> >> It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..
> >>
> >> I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.
> >>
> >> Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase
> qty, if
> >> that will help in bring the cost down.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >> Faisal Imtiaz
> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> >>
> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>
> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> >>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
> >>
> >>> We have been shipping for months.
> >>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
> >>> fuse.
> >>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
> >>> involved in blowing a port.
> >>>
> >>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
> >>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list
> price.  That
> >>> site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
> >>>
> >>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
> >>> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't
> get
> >>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust
> the
> >>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I
> am
> >>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if
> I am
> >>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
> >>>
> >>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge
> protector for
> >>> exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and
> buying and
> >>> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my
> margins.
> >>>
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
> >>> To: Animal Farm
> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
> >>>
> >>> Hi Chuck,
> >>>
> >>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
> >>>
> >>> Question & critique.
> >>>When are these going to be available ?
> >>>We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
> >>>(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears
> to be
> >>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
> >>>
> >>> Regards.
> >>>
> >>> Faisal Imtiaz
> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> >>>
> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> >>>
> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

So while we are playing what if's

let's face reality... 
If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit.
Chances of one or two only is small

Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the benefit 
of having a POE switch.


:)

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 1:20:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

> I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
> card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
> initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...
> 
> 
> 
> On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>> Thanks for the reply...
>> 
>> I was looking at things more simply...
>>   To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
>>   Switch value may be in similar ball park
>> 
>> It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..
>> 
>> I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.
>> 
>> Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, 
>> if
>> that will help in bring the cost down.
>> 
>> Regards.
>> 
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> 
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>> 
>>> We have been shipping for months.
>>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
>>> fuse.
>>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
>>> involved in blowing a port.
>>>
>>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
>>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That
>>> site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
>>>
>>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
>>> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
>>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
>>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
>>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
>>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
>>>
>>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for
>>> exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and
>>> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>>
>>> Hi Chuck,
>>>
>>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>>>
>>> Question & critique.
>>>When are these going to be available ?
>>>We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>>>(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
>>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown

I ran out of room when I tried.  That is on the APC version.  

From: Gino A. Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit? 

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

  Gino A. Villarini

  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 

Two similar questions:

Surge suppressors can blow ports.  If you have a surge, the surge protector 
will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.  That shorts them all together and 
grounds them.  That will also blow some POE ports.  

So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses 
to protect the POE source from the surge protector.  Learned this the hard way. 

From: can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor 
card as well? 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too 
slow.

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a 
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also 
responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

  We have been shipping for months.
  The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
  And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.

  The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That 
site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

  All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get 
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price 
down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 
surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 
of them it may be $2.50.

  I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and 
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

  -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

  Hi Chuck,

  Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

  Question & critique.
  When are these going to be available ?
  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Robert Andrews

yes they are,   now,   It wasn't so great when they first got going... 
I told them they could keep a unit rather than the charge to repair it 
and ship it back with the an early unit.  Glad to see they are better.


On 02/14/2018 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I know, and I appreciate it.  Just want to be fair to Netonix.  They are 
reasonable in the charge to fix a blown port.


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your
inventory...   Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device.

& I was trying to make a case for your device!!

On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...



On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a 
per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down.


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...



We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list 
price. That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you 
can't get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes 
adjust the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if 
I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But 
if I am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge 
protector for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and 
buying and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.


-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports 
appears to be

exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Gino A. Villarini

O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit?

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck 
McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Gino A. Villarini

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Two similar questions:

Surge suppressors can blow ports.  If you have a surge, the surge protector 
will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.  That shorts them all together and 
grounds them.  That will also blow some POE ports.

So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses 
to protect the POE source from the surge protector.  Learned this the hard way.

From: can...@believewireless.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor 
card as well?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device 
that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also 
responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved 
in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't encourage 
anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That site is only 
there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula across 
the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get other 
places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down 
due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 
surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 
of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for 
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was 
able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
When are these going to be available ?
We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232<tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>

Help-desk: (305)663-5518<tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown

I know, and I appreciate it.  Just want to be fair to Netonix.  They are 
reasonable in the charge to fix a blown port.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your
inventory...   Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device.

& I was trying to make a case for your device!!

On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...

On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase 
qty, if that will help in bring the cost down.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't 
get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust 
the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I 
am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I 
am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying 
and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.

-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to 
be

exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Robert Andrews

Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your 
inventory...   Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device.


& I was trying to make a case for your device!!

On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25.

-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...



On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase 
qty, if that will help in bring the cost down.


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...



We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list 
price. That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you 
can't get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust 
the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if 
I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But 
if I am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge 
protector for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and 
buying and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.


-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears 
to be

exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown

I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...

On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase 
qty, if that will help in bring the cost down.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't 
get

other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I 
am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying 
and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.

-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to 
be

exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Robert Andrews

I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one 
card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it...  Yes the 
initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless...




On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
  To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
  Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if 
that will help in bring the cost down.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...



We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That
site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
   When are these going to be available ?
   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown

Just bug all my distributors to place stocking orders.  That works miracles.

-Original Message- 
From: Faisal Imtiaz

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:04 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Thanks for the reply...

I was looking at things more simply...
To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, 
if that will help in bring the cost down.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
involved in blowing a port.

The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
That

site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I 
am

only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.

I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying 
and
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my 
margins.

-Original Message-
From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
  When are these going to be available ?
  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Faisal Imtiaz

Thanks for the reply... 

I was looking at things more simply...
 To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take
 Switch value may be in similar ball park

It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range..

I completely understand the production qty run vs cost.

Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if 
that will help in bring the cost down.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

> We have been shipping for months.
> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
> fuse.
> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
> involved in blowing a port.
> 
> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That
> site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
> 
> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
> 
> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for
> exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and
> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
> 
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
> 
> Question & critique.
>   When are these going to be available ?
>   We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>   (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown

Two similar questions:

Surge suppressors can blow ports.  If you have a surge, the surge protector 
will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.  That shorts them all together and 
grounds them.  That will also blow some POE ports.  


So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses 
to protect the POE source from the surge protector.  Learned this the hard way. 
 

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor 
card as well? 

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too 
slow.

  On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a 
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also 
responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
    Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


  We have been shipping for months.
  The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
  And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.

  The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That 
site is only there to generate sales for distributors.

  All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get 
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price 
down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 
surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 
of them it may be $2.50.

  I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and 
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.

  -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
  Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
  To: Animal Farm
  Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


  Hi Chuck,

  Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

  Question & critique.
  When are these going to be available ?
  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )

  Regards.

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  http://www.snappytelecom.net

  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread can...@believewireless.net

So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor
card as well?

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too
> slow.
>
> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a
>> device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while
>> also responding fast enough to protect the port?
>>
>> Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> We have been shipping for months.
>>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
>>> fuse.
>>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
>>> involved in blowing a port.
>>>
>>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
>>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.
>>> That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
>>>
>>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
>>> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
>>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
>>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
>>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
>>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
>>>
>>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector
>>> for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying
>>> and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my
>>> margins.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>>
>>> Hi Chuck,
>>>
>>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>>>
>>> Question & critique.
>>>  When are these going to be available ?
>>>  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>>>  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to
>>> be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
>>>
>>> Regards.
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown

That would have been ideal, however the PTC solidstate fuses do not blow 
fast enough.
And doing a solid state current sensor runs up the cost and has it's own set 
of problems.
If you are supplying the current it is no problem as you have an easy way to 
sense and interrupt the current.  But when you are dropping in-line to an 
existing circuit you have to be totally isolated, balanced, not affect the 
ethernet signal and able to cope with a wide variety of currents and 
voltages.


-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended
while also responding fast enough to protect the port?

Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.


The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.


All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get 
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the 
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am 
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am 
only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.


I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for 
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and 
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.


-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
 When are these going to be available ?
 We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
 (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Robert

Do the fuses protect against the same things as the surge protectors? 
Or do you need those in line also?


On 2/14/18 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a 
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended 
while also responding fast enough to protect the port?


Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of 
the fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.


The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. 
That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.


All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same 
formula across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products 
you can't get other places.    If volume increases on a product, I 
sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come 
down.  For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be 
paying $1 for each.  But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.


I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge 
protector for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on 
sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably 
and still maintain my margins.


-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
 When are these going to be available ?
 We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
 (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to 
be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread TJ Trout

per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too
slow.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a
> device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while
> also responding fast enough to protect the port?
>
> Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>
> We have been shipping for months.
>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the
>> fuse.
>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses
>> involved in blowing a port.
>>
>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't
>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.
>> That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.
>>
>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula
>> across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get
>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the
>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am
>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am
>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.
>>
>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector
>> for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying
>> and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my
>> margins.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
>> To: Animal Farm
>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...
>>
>> Hi Chuck,
>>
>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>>
>> Question & critique.
>>  When are these going to be available ?
>>  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>>  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be
>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Adam Moffett

I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a 
device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended 
while also responding fast enough to protect the port?


Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much?


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: "Animal Farm" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...


We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.


The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  
That site is only there to generate sales for distributors.


All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't 
get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes 
adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For 
example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 
for each.  But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.


I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector 
for exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and 
buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still 
maintain my margins.


-Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
 When are these going to be available ?
 We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
 (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to 
be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Chuck McCown


We have been shipping for months.
The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the 
fuse.
And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses 
involved in blowing a port.


The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.  I don't 
encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.  That 
site is only there to generate sales for distributors.


All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin.  Same formula 
across the board pretty much.  I try to have unique products you can't get 
other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the 
price down due to the fact that my costs come down.  For example, if I am 
buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.  But if I am 
only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50.


I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for 
exactly this reason.  Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and 
was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins.


-Original Message- 
From: Faisal Imtiaz

Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

Hi Chuck,

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.

Question & critique.
  When are these going to be available ?
  We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
  (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )


Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Jaime Solorza

I live in two wireless world's...on the SCADA side, we use top quality
components which have a higher cost for critical operational needs, i.e.,
clean and waste water systems. Phoenix Contact and Puls power supplies,
etc.  So we protect everything with fuses and grounding...I have been
criticized by some on this list when we started using Ubiquiti Tough
switches on some installations.   Only one had to be replaced so far.  We
used them because they did their job.  On another project we installed
solar panel systems and the Tycon POE controllers started have issues
within weeks.  We took some TS-5s and connected them to 24vdc feed and no
more problems.
We are going to order some of Chuck's fuses and give a whirl on our
systems...Which will include Phoenix Contact and Ubiquiti switches.
Jaime Solorza

On Feb 14, 2018 8:00 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
>
> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse.
>
> Question & critique.
>When are these going to be available ?
>We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive...
>(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to
> be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! )
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ...

2018-02-14 Thread Mike Hammett

Buy better switches? :-p 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Faisal Imtiaz"  
To: "Animal Farm"  
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:00:20 AM 
Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... 

Hi Chuck, 

Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. 

Question & critique. 
When are these going to be available ? 
We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... 
(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be 
exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

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