Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

i second that emoticon

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 8:10 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Oh wait.  It's a can of Tecate
>
> On Sep 13, 2016 12:47 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have something on the drawing board.
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2016 11:50 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, if it's beefy enough to hold the dish against the wind.
>>>
>>> They do make some big cameras, so there must be something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message ------
>>> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/13/2016 1:06:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>
>>> How about just using a good pan/tilt/Zoom mechanism used for cameras?
>>>>
>>>> Thank You,
>>>> Brian Webster
>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:04 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if I could spin the alignment screws on the backhaul with
>>>> servos.
>>>> That would really take me back to my R/C car days.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>> From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: 9/13/2016 12:50:47 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>>
>>>> You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to
>>>>> lock it up.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
>>>>>> are much more heavy duty.
>>>>>> *From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>>>> What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
>>>>>> living room?
>>>>>> Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting
>>>>>> circuit
>>>>>>  is the tricky part.
>>>>>>  *From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>  *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
>>>>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>>>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>>>>  Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
>>>>>>  spatial diversity setup.
>>>>>>  I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
>>>>>>  -- Original Message --
>>>>>>  From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com
>>>>>> <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>
>>>>>>  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>>>  Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
>>>>>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
>>>>>>>  could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>  in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
>>>>>>>  On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <
>>>>>>> i...@avantwireless.com
>>>>>>>  <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with
>>>>>>> twin
>>>>>>>  poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
>>>>>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Jason McKemie]

Tower of empty Tecate cans?  Likely would't be very stable, but it sure
would be fun to build.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 9:59 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes... Tecate= Enlightenment.. The wizard has spoken
>
> On Sep 13, 2016 7:42 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>> All things are possible through beer.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Oh wait.  It's a can of Tecate
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2016 12:47 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have something on the drawing board.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 13, 2016 11:50 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, if it's beefy enough to hold the dish against the wind.
>>>
>>> They do make some big cameras, so there must be something.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com
>>> <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 9/13/2016 1:06:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>
>>> How about just using a good pan/tilt/Zoom mechanism used
>>> for cameras?
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:04 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>     Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>
>>> I wonder if I could spin the alignment screws on the
>>> backhaul with servos.
>>> That would really take me back to my R/C car days.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com
>>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 9/13/2016 12:50:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>
>>> You would need a rotator that doesn't have any
>>> backlash or a way to
>>> lock it up.
>>>
>>> On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham
>>> antenna rotator, those
>>> are much more heavy duty.
>>> *From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com
>>> <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>> What about those old systems for aiming antennas
>>> on tripods from your
>>> living room?
>>> Is there anything like that remotely controlled
>>>         that you could rig up?
>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown
>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers
>>> and the voting circuit
>>>  is the tricky part.
>>>  *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes... Tecate= Enlightenment.. The wizard has spoken

On Sep 13, 2016 7:42 PM, "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

> All things are possible through beer.
>
> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>
>>
>> Oh wait.  It's a can of Tecate
>>
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2016 12:47 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I have something on the drawing board.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 13, 2016 11:50 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, if it's beefy enough to hold the dish against the wind.
>>
>> They do make some big cameras, so there must be something.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com
>> <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 9/13/2016 1:06:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>
>> How about just using a good pan/tilt/Zoom mechanism used
>> for cameras?
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:04 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>
>> I wonder if I could spin the alignment screws on the
>>     backhaul with servos.
>> That would really take me back to my R/C car days.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com
>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 9/13/2016 12:50:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>
>> You would need a rotator that doesn't have any
>> backlash or a way to
>> lock it up.
>>
>> On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>>         Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham
>> antenna rotator, those
>> are much more heavy duty.
>> *From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com
>> <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>> What about those old systems for aiming antennas
>> on tripods from your
>> living room?
>> Is there anything like that remotely controlled
>> that you could rig up?
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown
>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers
>> and the voting circuit
>>  is the tricky part.
>>  *From:* Adam Moffett
>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
>>  *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
>>  *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> <mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
>>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>  Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but
>> two antennas.  Like a
>>  spatial diversity setup.
>>  I wonder if McCown makes

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Jay Weekley]

All things are possible through beer.

Jaime Solorza wrote:


Oh wait.  It's a can of Tecate


On Sep 13, 2016 12:47 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I have something on the drawing board.


On Sep 13, 2016 11:50 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yeah, if it's beefy enough to hold the dish against the wind.

They do make some big cameras, so there must be something.



-- Original Message --
From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com
<mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Sent: 9/13/2016 1:06:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

How about just using a good pan/tilt/Zoom mechanism used
for cameras?

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadband-Mapping.com>


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:04 PM
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

I wonder if I could spin the alignment screws on the
backhaul with servos.
That would really take me back to my R/C car days.


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>>
    To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:50:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

You would need a rotator that doesn't have any
backlash or a way to
lock it up.

On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham
antenna rotator, those
are much more heavy duty.
*From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com
<mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
What about those old systems for aiming antennas
on tripods from your
living room?
Is there anything like that remotely controlled
that you could rig up?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown
<ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>>
wrote:

 Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers
and the voting circuit
 is the tricky part.
 *From:* Adam Moffett
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
 Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but
two antennas.  Like a
 spatial diversity setup.
 I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
 -- Original Message --
 From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>>
 To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
<mailto:af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
 Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

 May not be a viable solution with an 11
ghz backhaul, but you
 could install two radios, once that is on
target in summer and
one
 in winter, and switch between them
without climbing at least.
   

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Jaime Solorza]

Oh wait.  It's a can of Tecate

On Sep 13, 2016 12:47 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have something on the drawing board.
>
> On Sep 13, 2016 11:50 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, if it's beefy enough to hold the dish against the wind.
>>
>> They do make some big cameras, so there must be something.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 9/13/2016 1:06:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>
>> How about just using a good pan/tilt/Zoom mechanism used for cameras?
>>>
>>> Thank You,
>>> Brian Webster
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:04 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>
>>> I wonder if I could spin the alignment screws on the backhaul with
>>> servos.
>>> That would really take me back to my R/C car days.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/13/2016 12:50:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>
>>> You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to
>>>> lock it up.
>>>>
>>>> On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
>>>>> are much more heavy duty.
>>>>> *From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>>> What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
>>>>> living room?
>>>>> Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit
>>>>>  is the tricky part.
>>>>>  *From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>>  *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
>>>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>>>  Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
>>>>>  spatial diversity setup.
>>>>>  I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
>>>>>  -- Original Message --
>>>>>  From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com
>>>>> <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>
>>>>>  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>>  Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
>>>>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>>>
>>>>>>  May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
>>>>>>  could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and
>>>>>> one
>>>>>>  in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
>>>>>>  On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>>>>>>  <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with
>>>>>> twin
>>>>>>  poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
>>>>>>  then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
>>>>>>  twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
>>>>>>  compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>>  start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
>>>>>>  immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings it
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>  the price of a tow

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Jaime Solorza]

I have something on the drawing board.

On Sep 13, 2016 11:50 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Yeah, if it's beefy enough to hold the dish against the wind.
>
> They do make some big cameras, so there must be something.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/13/2016 1:06:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>
> How about just using a good pan/tilt/Zoom mechanism used for cameras?
>>
>> Thank You,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:04 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>
>> I wonder if I could spin the alignment screws on the backhaul with servos.
>> That would really take me back to my R/C car days.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 9/13/2016 12:50:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>
>> You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to
>>> lock it up.
>>>
>>> On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
>>>> are much more heavy duty.
>>>> *From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>> What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
>>>> living room?
>>>> Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
>>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit
>>>>  is the tricky part.
>>>>  *From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>  *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
>>>>  *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>>  Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
>>>>  spatial diversity setup.
>>>>  I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
>>>>  -- Original Message --
>>>>  From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com
>>>> <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>
>>>>  To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>>>  Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
>>>>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>>
>>>>>  May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
>>>>>  could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and
>>>>> one
>>>>>  in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
>>>>>  On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>>>>>  <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with
>>>>> twin
>>>>>  poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
>>>>>  then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
>>>>>  twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
>>>>>  compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles
>>>>> actually
>>>>>  start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
>>>>>  immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings it
>>>>> to
>>>>>  the price of a tower.
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable
>>>>>  curvature near the top. Maybe we'll move the dish below
>>>>>  the curve and see if that helps.
>>>&

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, if it's beefy enough to hold the dish against the wind.

They do make some big cameras, so there must be something.



-- Original Message --
From: "Brian Webster" <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 1:06:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting


How about just using a good pan/tilt/Zoom mechanism used for cameras?

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

I wonder if I could spin the alignment screws on the backhaul with 
servos.

That would really take me back to my R/C car days.


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:50:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting


You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to
lock it up.

On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
are much more heavy duty.
*From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
living room?
Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig 
up?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

 Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting 
circuit

 is the tricky part.
 *From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
 *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
 Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like 
a

 spatial diversity setup.
 I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
 -- Original Message --
 From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>
 To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

 May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
 could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and
one
 in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
 On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert 
<i...@avantwireless.com

 <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

 When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with
twin
 poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
 then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
 twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
 compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles
actually
 start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
 immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings it
to
 the price of a tower.

 On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

 Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable
 curvature near the top. Maybe we'll move the dish below
 the curve and see if that helps.


 -- Original Message --
 From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
 <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
     To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
 Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

 For us they are and haven't hand problems with
 twisting.  We've got one with a link that's been
 steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is 
accessing
 the link on short notice since we don't know a 
bucket
 truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like 
you

 could put two wood posts on either side of the pole
 and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it
from
 twisting.

 Matt wrote:

 I wonder if painting would help keep moisture
 out?  Maybe its a
 temperature thing too?

 I always thought wood poles would be great for
CPE
 locations but now maybe not.


 On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett
 <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

 I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with 
an

 AP and backhaul on it.  It's
 been in

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

mother nature always wins
always

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 12:10 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Some ham rotators have brakes on them to lock them.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:50 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>
> You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to lock
> it up.
>
> On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
>> are much more heavy duty.
>> *From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>> What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
>> living room?
>> Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit
>> is the tricky part.
>> *From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>> Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
>> spatial diversity setup.
>> I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com
>> >>
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>
>>> May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
>>> could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and one
>>> in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin
>>> poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
>>> then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
>>> twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
>>> compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles actually
>>> start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
>>> immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings it to
>>> the price of a tower.
>>>
>>> On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.
>>>
>>> Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable
>>> curvature near the top. Maybe we'll move the dish below
>>> the curve and see if that helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>
>>> For us they are and haven't hand problems with
>>> twisting.  We've got one with a link that's been
>>> steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is accessing
>>> the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket
>>> truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you
>>> could put two wood posts on either side of the pole
>>> and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it from
>>> twisting.
>>>
>>> Matt wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder if painting would help keep moisture
>>> out?  Maybe its a
>>> temperature thing too?
>>>
>>> I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE
>>> locations but now maybe not.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Chuck McCown]

Some ham rotators have brakes on them to lock them.

-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to lock
it up.

On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
are much more heavy duty.
*From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
living room?
Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit
is the tricky part.
*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
spatial diversity setup.
I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com 
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and one
in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin
poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles actually
start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings it to
the price of a tower.

On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable
curvature near the top. Maybe we'll move the dish below
the curve and see if that helps.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

For us they are and haven't hand problems with
twisting.  We've got one with a link that's been
steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is accessing
the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket
truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you
could put two wood posts on either side of the pole
and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it from
twisting.

Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture
out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE
locations but now maybe not.


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an
AP and backhaul on it.  It's
been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop
slowly on the backhaul over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and
adjusted it by about 9 degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got
there.  This past month the RSSI
on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the
summer and drop in the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be
twisting as it soaks up moisture
and then dries out again.

Is this a problem that might diminis

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Brian Webster]

How about just using a good pan/tilt/Zoom mechanism used for cameras?

Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 1:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

I wonder if I could spin the alignment screws on the backhaul with servos.
That would really take me back to my R/C car days.


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:50:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

>You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to 
>lock it up.
>
>On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
>>are much more heavy duty.
>>*From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
>>*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
>>*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
>>living room?
>>Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
>>On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
>><mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit
>> is the tricky part.
>> *From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>> Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
>> spatial diversity setup.
>> I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com 
>><mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>
>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>> Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>> May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
>>> could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and 
>>>one
>>> in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with 
>>>twin
>>> poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
>>> then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
>>> twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
>>> compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles 
>>>actually
>>> start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
>>> immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings it 
>>>to
>>> the price of a tower.
>>>
>>> On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.
>>>
>>>     Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable
>>> curvature near the top. Maybe we'll move the dish below
>>> the curve and see if that helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
>>> Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>
>>> For us they are and haven't hand problems with
>>> twisting.  We've got one with a link that's been
>>> steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is accessing
>>> the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket
>>> truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you
>>> could put two wood posts on either side of the pole
>>> and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it 
>>>from
>>> twisting.
>>>
>>> Matt wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder if painting would help keep moisture
>>> out?  Maybe its a
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Adam Moffett]

I wonder if I could spin the alignment screws on the backhaul with 
servos.

That would really take me back to my R/C car days.


-- Original Message --
From: "Robert Andrews" <i...@avantwireless.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:50:47 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to 
lock it up.


On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
are much more heavy duty.
*From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
living room?
Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit
is the tricky part.
*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
spatial diversity setup.
I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com 
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and 
one

in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with 
twin

poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles 
actually

start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings it 
to

the price of a tower.

On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable
curvature near the top. Maybe we'll move the dish below
the curve and see if that helps.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
        To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

For us they are and haven't hand problems with
twisting.  We've got one with a link that's been
steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is accessing
the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket
truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you
could put two wood posts on either side of the pole
and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it 
from

twisting.

Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture
out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for 
CPE

locations but now maybe not.


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>

wrote:

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an
AP and backhaul on it.  It's
been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop
slowly on the backhaul over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and
adjusted it by about 9 degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got
there.  This past month the RSSI
on the backhaul has been slowly dropping 
again.


The humidity here tends to shoot way up in 
the

summer and drop in the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be
twisting as i

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Adam Moffett]

Holy dog's balls.   I'll just buy a tower LOL.


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 1:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting


If you have at least $25K to spend, you could look at a BATS:
http://www.extendingbroadband.com/


-Original Message- From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to 
lock

it up.

On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
are much more heavy duty.
*From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
living room?
Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit
is the tricky part.
*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
spatial diversity setup.
I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com 
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and 
one

in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with 
twin

poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles 
actually

start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings it 
to

the price of a tower.

On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable
curvature near the top. Maybe we'll move the dish below
the curve and see if that helps.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
        To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

For us they are and haven't hand problems with
twisting.  We've got one with a link that's been
steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is accessing
the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket
truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you
could put two wood posts on either side of the pole
and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it 
from

twisting.

Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture
out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for 
CPE

locations but now maybe not.


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>

wrote:

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an
AP and backhaul on it.  It's
been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop
slowly on the backhaul over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and
adjusted it by about 9 degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got
there.  This past month the RSSI
on the backhaul has been slowly dropping 
again.


The humidity here tends to

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Ken Hohhof]

If you have at least $25K to spend, you could look at a BATS:
http://www.extendingbroadband.com/


-Original Message- 
From: Robert Andrews

Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 11:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to lock
it up.

On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
are much more heavy duty.
*From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
living room?
Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit
is the tricky part.
*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
spatial diversity setup.
I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com 
<mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and one
in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin
poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles actually
start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings it to
the price of a tower.

On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable
curvature near the top. Maybe we'll move the dish below
the curve and see if that helps.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

For us they are and haven't hand problems with
twisting.  We've got one with a link that's been
steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is accessing
the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket
truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you
could put two wood posts on either side of the pole
and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it from
twisting.

Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture
out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE
locations but now maybe not.


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an
AP and backhaul on it.  It's
been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop
slowly on the backhaul over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and
adjusted it by about 9 degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got
there.  This past month the RSSI
on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the
summer and drop in the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be
twisting as it soaks up moisture
and then dries out again.

   

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Robert Andrews]

You would need a rotator that doesn't have any backlash or a way to lock 
it up.


On 09/13/2016 09:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those
are much more heavy duty.
*From:* Joe Novak <mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
living room?
Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit
is the tricky part.
*From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a
spatial diversity setup.
I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com <mailto:ch...@lakenetmi.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you
could install two radios, once that is on target in summer and one
in winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.
On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin
poles they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and
then hang the cross braces across the hangers.   Poles
twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension or
compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles actually
start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much
immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings it to
the price of a tower.

On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable
curvature near the top. Maybe we'll move the dish below
the curve and see if that helps.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net
<mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

For us they are and haven't hand problems with
twisting.  We've got one with a link that's been
steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is accessing
the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket
truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you
could put two wood posts on either side of the pole
and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it from
twisting.

Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture
out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE
locations but now maybe not.


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett
<dmmoff...@gmail.com <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an
AP and backhaul on it.  It's
been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop
slowly on the backhaul over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and
adjusted it by about 9 degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got
there.  This past month the RSSI
on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the
summer and drop in the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be
twisting as it soaks up moisture
and then dries out again.

Is this a problem that might diminish as the
pole ages, or is there perhaps
any possible remediation?  I guess the
permanent fix is a real tower or a

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Chuck McCown]

Yeah, an old TV rotator could do it.  Or a ham antenna rotator, those are much 
more heavy duty.  

From: Joe Novak 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your living 
room? 

Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

  Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit is the 
tricky part.  

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

  Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a spatial 
diversity setup. 
  I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you could install 
two radios, once that is on target in summer and one in winter, and switch 
between them without climbing at least. 

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

  When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin poles they 
through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and then hang the cross braces 
across the hangers.   Poles twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension 
or compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles actually start to 
lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much immobile..   But putting two poles up 
pretty much brings it to the price of a tower.

  On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable curvature near the 
top.  Maybe we'll move the dish below the curve and see if that helps.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting


  For us they are and haven't hand problems with twisting.  We've got 
one with a link that's been steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is 
accessing the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket truck and 
operators are very busy.  It seems like you could put two wood posts on either 
side of the pole and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it from 
twisting.

  Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but 
now maybe not.


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on 
it.  It's
  been in the ground about 3 years now.

  This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the 
backhaul over the
  course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 
degrees,
  but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past 
month the RSSI
  on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

  The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in 
the
  winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up 
moisture
  and then dries out again.

  Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is 
there perhaps
  any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real 
tower or a
  steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys 
knows some
  magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this 
pole, that a 9
  degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Adam Moffett]

An antenna rotor.that's either genius or totally insane.  I'll 
explore that idea.


Thanks for the ideas guys.


-- Original Message --
From: "Joe Novak" <jno...@lrcomm.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:22:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your 
living room?


Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit is 
the tricky part.


From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a 
spatial diversity setup.

I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you could 
install two radios, once that is on target in summer and one in 
winter, and switch between them without climbing at least.


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> 
wrote:
When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin poles 
they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and then hang the 
cross braces across the hangers.   Poles twisting then doesn't do 
anything but put tension or compression on the cross bracing...  
Unless the poles actually start to lean, the cross bracing stays 
pretty much immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings 
it to the price of a tower.


On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable curvature near 
the top.  Maybe we'll move the dish below the curve and see if that 
helps.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

For us they are and haven't hand problems with twisting.  We've 
got one with a link that's been steady for 6 years or more.  The 
problem is accessing the link on short notice since we don't know 
a bucket truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you 
could put two wood posts on either side of the pole and secure a 
4x4 with large lag screws to keep it from twisting.


Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but 
now maybe not.



On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett 
<dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on 
it.  It's

been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the 
backhaul over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 
degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past 
month the RSSI

on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop 
in the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks 
up moisture

and then dries out again.

Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is 
there perhaps
any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real 
tower or a
steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone 
guys knows some
magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this 
pole, that a 9

degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Joe Novak]

What about those old systems for aiming antennas on tripods from your
living room?

Is there anything like that remotely controlled that you could rig up?

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit is the
> tricky part.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>
> Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a spatial
> diversity setup.
> I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>
>
> May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you could
> install two radios, once that is on target in summer and one in winter, and
> switch between them without climbing at least.
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
>> When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin poles they
>> through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and then hang the cross braces
>> across the hangers.   Poles twisting then doesn't do anything but put
>> tension or compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles actually
>> start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much immobile..   But putting
>> two poles up pretty much brings it to the price of a tower.
>>
>> On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>
>>> I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.
>>>
>>> Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable curvature near the
>>> top.  Maybe we'll move the dish below the curve and see if that helps.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>>
>>> For us they are and haven't hand problems with twisting.  We've got one
>>>> with a link that's been steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is
>>>> accessing the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket truck and
>>>> operators are very busy.  It seems like you could put two wood posts on
>>>> either side of the pole and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it
>>>> from twisting.
>>>>
>>>> Matt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
>>>>> temperature thing too?
>>>>>
>>>>> I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but now
>>>>> maybe not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> been in the ground about 3 years now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul
>>>>>> over the
>>>>>> course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9
>>>>>> degrees,
>>>>>> but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month
>>>>>> the RSSI
>>>>>> on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the
>>>>>> winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up
>>>>>> moisture
>>>>>> and then dries out again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there
>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>> any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower
>>>>>> or a
>>>>>> steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys
>>>>>> knows some
>>>>>> magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole,
>>>>>> that a 9
>>>>>> degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Chuck McCown]

Antennas are the easy part.  Dual receivers and the voting circuit is the 
tricky part.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 10:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a spatial 
diversity setup. 
I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

  May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you could install 
two radios, once that is on target in summer and one in winter, and switch 
between them without climbing at least. 

  On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin poles they 
through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and then hang the cross braces 
across the hangers.   Poles twisting then doesn't do anything but put tension 
or compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles actually start to 
lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much immobile..   But putting two poles up 
pretty much brings it to the price of a tower.

On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

  I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

  Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable curvature near the 
top.  Maybe we'll move the dish below the curve and see if that helps.


  -- Original Message --
  From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting


For us they are and haven't hand problems with twisting.  We've got one 
with a link that's been steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is accessing 
the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket truck and operators are 
very busy.  It seems like you could put two wood posts on either side of the 
pole and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it from twisting.

Matt wrote:

  I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
  temperature thing too?

  I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but now 
maybe not.


  On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on 
it.  It's
been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul 
over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 
degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month 
the RSSI
on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in 
the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up 
moisture
and then dries out again.

Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there 
perhaps
any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real 
tower or a
steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys 
knows some
magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, 
that a 9
degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Adam Moffett]

Hmm...maybe it doesn't need two radios, but two antennas.  Like a 
spatial diversity setup.

I wonder if McCown makes parts for that.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 12:02:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you could 
install two radios, once that is on target in summer and one in winter, 
and switch between them without climbing at least.


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> 
wrote:
When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin poles 
they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and then hang the 
cross braces across the hangers.   Poles twisting then doesn't do 
anything but put tension or compression on the cross bracing...  
Unless the poles actually start to lean, the cross bracing stays 
pretty much immobile..   But putting two poles up pretty much brings 
it to the price of a tower.


On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable curvature near 
the top.  Maybe we'll move the dish below the curve and see if that 
helps.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

For us they are and haven't hand problems with twisting.  We've got 
one with a link that's been steady for 6 years or more.  The problem 
is accessing the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket 
truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you could put two 
wood posts on either side of the pole and secure a 4x4 with large 
lag screws to keep it from twisting.


Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but 
now maybe not.



On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on 
it.  It's

been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul 
over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 
degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past 
month the RSSI

on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in 
the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up 
moisture

and then dries out again.

Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is 
there perhaps
any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real 
tower or a
steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys 
knows some
magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this 
pole, that a 9

degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Chris Fabien]

May not be a viable solution with an 11 ghz backhaul, but you could install
two radios, once that is on target in summer and one in winter, and switch
between them without climbing at least.

On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 11:13 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:

> When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin poles they
> through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and then hang the cross braces
> across the hangers.   Poles twisting then doesn't do anything but put
> tension or compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles actually
> start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much immobile..   But putting
> two poles up pretty much brings it to the price of a tower.
>
> On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>> I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.
>>
>> Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable curvature near the
>> top.  Maybe we'll move the dish below the curve and see if that helps.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting
>>
>> For us they are and haven't hand problems with twisting.  We've got one
>>> with a link that's been steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is
>>> accessing the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket truck and
>>> operators are very busy.  It seems like you could put two wood posts on
>>> either side of the pole and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to keep it
>>> from twisting.
>>>
>>> Matt wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
>>>> temperature thing too?
>>>>
>>>> I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but now
>>>> maybe not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> been in the ground about 3 years now.
>>>>>
>>>>> This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul
>>>>> over the
>>>>> course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9
>>>>> degrees,
>>>>> but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month
>>>>> the RSSI
>>>>> on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.
>>>>>
>>>>> The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the
>>>>> winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up
>>>>> moisture
>>>>> and then dries out again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there
>>>>> perhaps
>>>>> any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower
>>>>> or a
>>>>> steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys
>>>>> knows some
>>>>> magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole,
>>>>> that a 9
>>>>> degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Robert]

When you look at the high voltage distribution lines with twin poles 
they through bolt hanger connectors on the poles and then hang the cross 
braces across the hangers.   Poles twisting then doesn't do anything but 
put tension or compression on the cross bracing...  Unless the poles 
actually start to lean, the cross bracing stays pretty much immobile..   
But putting two poles up pretty much brings it to the price of a tower.


On 9/13/16 7:54 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable curvature near 
the top.  Maybe we'll move the dish below the curve and see if that 
helps.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

For us they are and haven't hand problems with twisting.  We've got 
one with a link that's been steady for 6 years or more.  The problem 
is accessing the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket 
truck and operators are very busy.  It seems like you could put two 
wood posts on either side of the pole and secure a 4x4 with large lag 
screws to keep it from twisting.


Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but now 
maybe not.



On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on 
it.  It's

been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul 
over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 
degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month 
the RSSI

on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up 
moisture

and then dries out again.

Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there 
perhaps
any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real 
tower or a
steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys 
knows some
magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, 
that a 9

degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Adam Moffett]

In the long run we might be doing that, yeah.


-- Original Message --
From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 11:10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

Wow, I would not have thought of putting an 11 GHz backhaul dish on a 
wood pole.  Could you a Rohn 25G next to the wood pole, basically using 
the wood pole instead of guy wires?  Or look for a surplus metal light 
pole to replace the wood pole?



From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:25 AM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

Good thought, but do you have an 11ghz sector ?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:24:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting


Some poles have straight grain, some twist.
Not anything you can do that I know about.  Sector antenna?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:44 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  
It's been in the ground about 3 years now.


This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul 
over the course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by 
about 9 degrees, but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  
This past month the RSSI on the backhaul has been slowly dropping 
again.


The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the 
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up 
moisture and then dries out again.


Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there 
perhaps any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real 
tower or a steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old 
phone guys knows some magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire 
attached to this pole, that a 9 degree twist would put some wicked 
tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Ken Hohhof]

Wow, I would not have thought of putting an 11 GHz backhaul dish on a wood 
pole.  Could you a Rohn 25G next to the wood pole, basically using the wood 
pole instead of guy wires?  Or look for a surplus metal light pole to replace 
the wood pole?


From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 9:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

Good thought, but do you have an 11ghz sector ?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:24:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

  Some poles have straight grain, some twist.  
  Not anything you can do that I know about.  Sector antenna?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:44 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

  I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  It's 
been in the ground about 3 years now.

  This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul over the 
course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 degrees, but 
he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month the RSSI on the 
backhaul has been slowly dropping again. 

  The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the winter. 
 I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up moisture and then 
dries out again.

  Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there perhaps 
any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower or a steel 
pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys knows some magic 
trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, that a 9 degree 
twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Chuck McCown]

Good point.   It may slow the annual twist and untwist as it ages, but I would 
not count on it.  
Put up a tower.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:25 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

Good thought, but do you have an 11ghz sector ?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:24:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

  Some poles have straight grain, some twist.  
  Not anything you can do that I know about.  Sector antenna?

  From: Adam Moffett 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:44 AM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

  I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  It's 
been in the ground about 3 years now.

  This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul over the 
course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 degrees, but 
he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month the RSSI on the 
backhaul has been slowly dropping again. 

  The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the winter. 
 I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up moisture and then 
dries out again.

  Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there perhaps 
any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower or a steel 
pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys knows some magic 
trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, that a 9 degree 
twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Jay Weekley]

For us they are and haven't hand problems with twisting.  We've got one 
with a link that's been steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is 
accessing the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket truck 
and operators are very busy.  It seems like you could put two wood posts 
on either side of the pole and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to 
keep it from twisting.


Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but now maybe not.


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  It's
been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month the RSSI
on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up moisture
and then dries out again.

Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there perhaps
any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower or a
steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys knows some
magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, that a 9
degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Adam Moffett]

I imagine the pole would win that tug of war over time.

Looking at a photo of this pole, it has a noticeable curvature near the 
top.  Maybe we'll move the dish below the curve and see if that helps.



-- Original Message --
From: "Jay Weekley" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:44:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

For us they are and haven't hand problems with twisting.  We've got one 
with a link that's been steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is 
accessing the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket truck 
and operators are very busy.  It seems like you could put two wood 
posts on either side of the pole and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws 
to keep it from twisting.


Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but now 
maybe not.



On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  
It's

been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul 
over the
course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 
degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month 
the RSSI

on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up 
moisture

and then dries out again.

Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there 
perhaps
any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower 
or a
steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys 
knows some
magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, 
that a 9

degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Chuck McCown]

Most poles don't twist much.

-Original Message- 
From: Jay Weekley

Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 8:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

For us they are and haven't hand problems with twisting.  We've got one
with a link that's been steady for 6 years or more.  The problem is
accessing the link on short notice since we don't know a bucket truck
and operators are very busy.  It seems like you could put two wood posts
on either side of the pole and secure a 4x4 with large lag screws to
keep it from twisting.

Matt wrote:

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but now maybe 
not.



On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it. 
It's

been in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul over 
the

course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 degrees,
but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month the 
RSSI

on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up 
moisture

and then dries out again.

Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there 
perhaps

any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower or a
steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys knows 
some
magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, that 
a 9

degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Adam Moffett]

With a CPE you might be able to put a 15 degree sector on it.

-- Original Message --
From: "Matt" <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:27:47 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting


I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but now 
maybe not.



On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:
 I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  
It's

 been in the ground about 3 years now.

 This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul 
over the
 course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 
degrees,
 but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month 
the RSSI

 on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.

 The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the
 winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up 
moisture

 and then dries out again.

 Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there 
perhaps
 any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower 
or a
 steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys 
knows some
 magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, 
that a 9

 degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Matt]

I wonder if painting would help keep moisture out?  Maybe its a
temperature thing too?

I always thought wood poles would be great for CPE locations but now maybe not.


On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  It's
> been in the ground about 3 years now.
>
> This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul over the
> course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 degrees,
> but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month the RSSI
> on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.
>
> The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the
> winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up moisture
> and then dries out again.
>
> Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there perhaps
> any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower or a
> steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys knows some
> magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, that a 9
> degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Adam Moffett]

Good thought, but do you have an 11ghz sector ?

-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/13/2016 10:24:11 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting


Some poles have straight grain, some twist.
Not anything you can do that I know about.  Sector antenna?

From:Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:44 AM
To:Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  
It's been in the ground about 3 years now.


This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul over 
the course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 
degrees, but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past 
month the RSSI on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.


The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the 
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up 
moisture and then dries out again.


Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there 
perhaps any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real 
tower or a steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone 
guys knows some magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached 
to this pole, that a 9 degree twist would put some wicked tension on 
it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Chuck McCown]

Some poles have straight grain, some twist.  
Not anything you can do that I know about.  Sector antenna?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 2:44 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  It's been 
in the ground about 3 years now.

This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul over the 
course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 degrees, but 
he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month the RSSI on the 
backhaul has been slowly dropping again. 

The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the winter.  
I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up moisture and then 
dries out again.

Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there perhaps any 
possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower or a steel 
pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys knows some magic 
trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, that a 9 degree 
twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Ken Hohhof]

I have seen that on dishes we have on customer utility poles, if the grain is 
like a corkscrew not straight.  I imagine it would be worse on a 70 ft pole, 
probably offsetting that you have a better quality pole.  It does seem to be 
humidity that does it, maybe plus temperature.  It seems to get a little better 
over time, but I honestly think that’s because we finally hit an alignment that 
is midway between the extremes, rather than the pole stops twisting.

Not sure if you could restrain it somehow, I suspect it will generate a lot of 
torque to fight whatever restraints you put on it.  Maybe you could rig 
something to keep the mount straight even as the pole twists.  My guess you 
either find a compromise alignment, or make at least 2 trips out there each 
year.


From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2016 6:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

We have a similar situation.  The pole is pretty old and it still twists with 
the seasons so I don’t know that waiting is going to help you.

I suppose you could put a torque arm bracket on the pole and a couple of guy 
wires ;-)

Mark

  On Sep 13, 2016, at 4:44 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  It's 
been in the ground about 3 years now.

  This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul over the 
course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 degrees, but 
he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month the RSSI on the 
backhaul has been slowly dropping again. 

  The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the winter. 
 I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up moisture and then 
dries out again.

  Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there perhaps 
any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower or a steel 
pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys knows some magic 
trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, that a 9 degree 
twist would put some wicked tension on it.

Re: [AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Mark Radabaugh]

We have a similar situation.  The pole is pretty old and it still twists with 
the seasons so I don’t know that waiting is going to help you.

I suppose you could put a torque arm bracket on the pole and a couple of guy 
wires ;-)

Mark

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 4:44 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  It's 
> been in the ground about 3 years now.
>  
> This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul over the 
> course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 degrees, but 
> he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past month the RSSI on 
> the backhaul has been slowly dropping again. 
>  
> The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the winter. 
>  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up moisture and then 
> dries out again.
>  
> Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there perhaps 
> any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real tower or a 
> steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone guys knows some 
> magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to this pole, that a 9 
> degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.

[AFMUG] Wooden pole twisting

[Adam Moffett]

I've got a 70' (61' AGL) class 3 pole with an AP and backhaul on it.  
It's been in the ground about 3 years now.


This past spring we noticed the signal drop slowly on the backhaul over 
the course of a month.  A climber went up and adjusted it by about 9 
degrees, but he said the mount was tight when he got there.  This past 
month the RSSI on the backhaul has been slowly dropping again.


The humidity here tends to shoot way up in the summer and drop in the 
winter.  I'm supposing this beast must be twisting as it soaks up 
moisture and then dries out again.


Is this a problem that might diminish as the pole ages, or is there 
perhaps any possible remediation?  I guess the permanent fix is a real 
tower or a steel pole, but I guess I'm hoping that one of you old phone 
guys knows some magic trick.  Seems like if there was a wire attached to 
this pole, that a 9 degree twist would put some wicked tension on it.