Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
Run Forrest - run ! On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 1:34 PM Brian Webster wrote: > > Might be worth getting the tower and parcel given to you, then make a decent > offer for an additional lease area around the tower to encompass the guy > anchors. The farmer may be ok with the location of the anchors if he is > making more money. In the end if you get the tower given to you or possibly > even be paid to take it (they have the cost of decommissioning plus they own > the parcel and still have taxes on it so paying you to take it off their > hands is still attractive). Worst case would be you take the existing tower > down and replace it with something that fits on the parcel. There could also > be the issue that the farmer just doesn’t like the current owner and you > being somewhat local he may have a change of heart to support local business. > I would work this a little harder and see if you can’t take it in a different > direction that the situation as it stands. > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > > > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser > Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 12:44 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower > > > > I looked up on the property records who's parcel of land that tower is on and > was able to google search a name and find a phone number and called it. Long > story short the tower is on its own parcel of land but the guy wires go into > a neighbors field and they messed up the original contract for the easement > and basically the farmer doesn't want to farm around the wires anymore and > there are attorneys involved and the tower company is decided to tear the > tower down since its vacant anyway. Sounds like a mess. > > > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:09 PM wrote: > > Discounted net present value of future easement payments is an easy figure to > come up with. Then cut it in half and offer it as a one time payment for a > “perpetual easement that runs with the land”. > > > > From: Lewis Bergman > > Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:01 AM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower > > > > I have done this a few times. I have had some success converting annual > leases to one time easement payments. If you would like to discuss give me a > shout. I have done both ways. Taking ownership of an abandoned tower from a > landowner, buying a tower cheap and renegotiating land lease, I even got paid > to take a tower once. > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant tower > in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away to > someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about this? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
Might be worth getting the tower and parcel given to you, then make a decent offer for an additional lease area around the tower to encompass the guy anchors. The farmer may be ok with the location of the anchors if he is making more money. In the end if you get the tower given to you or possibly even be paid to take it (they have the cost of decommissioning plus they own the parcel and still have taxes on it so paying you to take it off their hands is still attractive). Worst case would be you take the existing tower down and replace it with something that fits on the parcel. There could also be the issue that the farmer just doesn’t like the current owner and you being somewhat local he may have a change of heart to support local business. I would work this a little harder and see if you can’t take it in a different direction that the situation as it stands. Thank You, Brian Webster From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 12:44 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower I looked up on the property records who's parcel of land that tower is on and was able to google search a name and find a phone number and called it. Long story short the tower is on its own parcel of land but the guy wires go into a neighbors field and they messed up the original contract for the easement and basically the farmer doesn't want to farm around the wires anymore and there are attorneys involved and the tower company is decided to tear the tower down since its vacant anyway. Sounds like a mess. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:09 PM wrote: Discounted net present value of future easement payments is an easy figure to come up with. Then cut it in half and offer it as a one time payment for a “perpetual easement that runs with the land”. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower I have done this a few times. I have had some success converting annual leases to one time easement payments. If you would like to discuss give me a shout. I have done both ways. Taking ownership of an abandoned tower from a landowner, buying a tower cheap and renegotiating land lease, I even got paid to take a tower once. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant tower in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away to someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about this? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
Looks like an old FAA flyswatter tower.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 11:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
That tower looks heavy enough that if you stripped the excess load you could
probably relocate the anchors and guy it at 60%. Judging from the pics it looks
like it is at the standard 80%. Having said all that. It might be cheaper to
build another one. The "own parcel of land" deal is tempting though.
On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:52 AM Kurt Fankhauser
wrote:
here is a pic of the tower
On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:49 PM wrote:
How many guy wires and how far to they encroach?
You can put up a support and pull the guy anchors closer to the tower in
some cases.
From: Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:43 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
I looked up on the property records who's parcel of land that tower is on
and was able to google search a name and find a phone number and called it.
Long story short the tower is on its own parcel of land but the guy wires go
into a neighbors field and they messed up the original contract for the
easement and basically the farmer doesn't want to farm around the wires anymore
and there are attorneys involved and the tower company is decided to tear the
tower down since its vacant anyway. Sounds like a mess.
On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:09 PM wrote:
Discounted net present value of future easement payments is an easy
figure to come up with. Then cut it in half and offer it as a one time payment
for a “perpetual easement that runs with the land”.
From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:01 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
I have done this a few times. I have had some success converting annual
leases to one time easement payments. If you would like to discuss give me a
shout. I have done both ways. Taking ownership of an abandoned tower from a
landowner, buying a tower cheap and renegotiating land lease, I even got paid
to take a tower once.
On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser
wrote:
I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant
tower in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away to
someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about this?
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Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
That tower looks heavy enough that if you stripped the excess load you could probably relocate the anchors and guy it at 60%. Judging from the pics it looks like it is at the standard 80%. Having said all that. It might be cheaper to build another one. The "own parcel of land" deal is tempting though. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 11:52 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > here is a pic of the tower > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:49 PM wrote: > >> How many guy wires and how far to they encroach? >> You can put up a support and pull the guy anchors closer to the tower in >> some cases. >> >> *From:* Kurt Fankhauser >> *Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2018 10:43 AM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower >> >> I looked up on the property records who's parcel of land that tower is on >> and was able to google search a name and find a phone number and called it. >> Long story short the tower is on its own parcel of land but the guy wires >> go into a neighbors field and they messed up the original contract for the >> easement and basically the farmer doesn't want to farm around the wires >> anymore and there are attorneys involved and the tower company is decided >> to tear the tower down since its vacant anyway. Sounds like a mess. >> >> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:09 PM wrote: >> >>> Discounted net present value of future easement payments is an easy >>> figure to come up with. Then cut it in half and offer it as a one time >>> payment for a “perpetual easement that runs with the land”. >>> >>> *From:* Lewis Bergman >>> *Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2018 10:01 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower >>> >>> I have done this a few times. I have had some success converting annual >>> leases to one time easement payments. If you would like to discuss give me >>> a shout. I have done both ways. Taking ownership of an abandoned tower from >>> a landowner, buying a tower cheap and renegotiating land lease, I even got >>> paid to take a tower once. >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant >>>> tower in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away >>>> to someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about >>>> this? >>>> -- >>>> AF mailing list >>>> AF@af.afmug.com >>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
How many guy wires and how far to they encroach? You can put up a support and pull the guy anchors closer to the tower in some cases. From: Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:43 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower I looked up on the property records who's parcel of land that tower is on and was able to google search a name and find a phone number and called it. Long story short the tower is on its own parcel of land but the guy wires go into a neighbors field and they messed up the original contract for the easement and basically the farmer doesn't want to farm around the wires anymore and there are attorneys involved and the tower company is decided to tear the tower down since its vacant anyway. Sounds like a mess. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:09 PM wrote: Discounted net present value of future easement payments is an easy figure to come up with. Then cut it in half and offer it as a one time payment for a “perpetual easement that runs with the land”. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower I have done this a few times. I have had some success converting annual leases to one time easement payments. If you would like to discuss give me a shout. I have done both ways. Taking ownership of an abandoned tower from a landowner, buying a tower cheap and renegotiating land lease, I even got paid to take a tower once. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant tower in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away to someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about this? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
I looked up on the property records who's parcel of land that tower is on and was able to google search a name and find a phone number and called it. Long story short the tower is on its own parcel of land but the guy wires go into a neighbors field and they messed up the original contract for the easement and basically the farmer doesn't want to farm around the wires anymore and there are attorneys involved and the tower company is decided to tear the tower down since its vacant anyway. Sounds like a mess. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:09 PM wrote: > Discounted net present value of future easement payments is an easy figure > to come up with. Then cut it in half and offer it as a one time payment > for a “perpetual easement that runs with the land”. > > *From:* Lewis Bergman > *Sent:* Friday, September 7, 2018 10:01 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower > > I have done this a few times. I have had some success converting annual > leases to one time easement payments. If you would like to discuss give me > a shout. I have done both ways. Taking ownership of an abandoned tower from > a landowner, buying a tower cheap and renegotiating land lease, I even got > paid to take a tower once. > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > >> I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant >> tower in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away >> to someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about >> this? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
Discounted net present value of future easement payments is an easy figure to come up with. Then cut it in half and offer it as a one time payment for a “perpetual easement that runs with the land”. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower I have done this a few times. I have had some success converting annual leases to one time easement payments. If you would like to discuss give me a shout. I have done both ways. Taking ownership of an abandoned tower from a landowner, buying a tower cheap and renegotiating land lease, I even got paid to take a tower once. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant tower in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away to someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about this? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
I have done this a few times. I have had some success converting annual leases to one time easement payments. If you would like to discuss give me a shout. I have done both ways. Taking ownership of an abandoned tower from a landowner, buying a tower cheap and renegotiating land lease, I even got paid to take a tower once. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant > tower in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away > to someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about > this? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
I'll buy them all from you and lease them back to you. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018, 9:51 AM David Hannum wrote: > You might contact them, than rather than attempting to take ownership, > get with the land owner. Sometimes, they will just turn the tower > over to the land owner (save expense of decom). Then, maybe you can > just work out a good lease with them. Then you don't have the > liability for the tower - the land owner does. Believe me - we own > over a dozen towers and I wish we did not . . . > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > > > > I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant > tower in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away > to someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about > this? > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
how much $$$ were they/you discussing/fighting over? - Original Message - From: Sterling Jacobson To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower That’s how I got my tower. I was inquiring about leasing land to build a new tower and they didn’t want another tower built. But then told me they were going to have another tower owner tear everything down to the ground because the owner didn’t want to renew. I asked the land owner if they wouldn’t mind if I just took the tower and created my own lease with the land owner. After a couple of months of legal re-working, I had the tower free of any expense and a new land lease. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower I agree with David. Many times the decom is happening because of the land lease with the land owner. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:49 AM, David Hannum wrote: You might contact them, than rather than attempting to take ownership, get with the land owner. Sometimes, they will just turn the tower over to the land owner (save expense of decom). Then, maybe you can just work out a good lease with them. Then you don't have the liability for the tower - the land owner does. Believe me - we own over a dozen towers and I wish we did not . . . On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant tower in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away to someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about this? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Regards, Chuck -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
That’s how I got my tower. I was inquiring about leasing land to build a new tower and they didn’t want another tower built. But then told me they were going to have another tower owner tear everything down to the ground because the owner didn’t want to renew. I asked the land owner if they wouldn’t mind if I just took the tower and created my own lease with the land owner. After a couple of months of legal re-working, I had the tower free of any expense and a new land lease. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Friday, September 7, 2018 9:01 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower I agree with David. Many times the decom is happening because of the land lease with the land owner. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:49 AM, David Hannum mailto:dhan...@mynewera.net>> wrote: You might contact them, than rather than attempting to take ownership, get with the land owner. Sometimes, they will just turn the tower over to the land owner (save expense of decom). Then, maybe you can just work out a good lease with them. Then you don't have the liability for the tower - the land owner does. Believe me - we own over a dozen towers and I wish we did not . . . On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant tower > in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away to > someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about this? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Regards, Chuck -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
I agree with David. Many times the decom is happening because of the land lease with the land owner. On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:49 AM, David Hannum wrote: > You might contact them, than rather than attempting to take ownership, > get with the land owner. Sometimes, they will just turn the tower > over to the land owner (save expense of decom). Then, maybe you can > just work out a good lease with them. Then you don't have the > liability for the tower - the land owner does. Believe me - we own > over a dozen towers and I wish we did not . . . > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: > > > > I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant > tower in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away > to someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about > this? > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Regards, Chuck -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] acquiring tower from American Tower
You might contact them, than rather than attempting to take ownership, get with the land owner. Sometimes, they will just turn the tower over to the land owner (save expense of decom). Then, maybe you can just work out a good lease with them. Then you don't have the liability for the tower - the land owner does. Believe me - we own over a dozen towers and I wish we did not . . . On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 10:39 AM Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > I have heard that American Tower is going to be tearing down dormant tower > in my area, is there any reason they would just give this tower away to > someone like me to get out of it? How do i call at ATC to inquire about this? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
