Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-03 Thread Gino A. Villarini
We don’t need no stinking kit! Lol, jut let us know the pipe  size en thread… 
we can make our own.

From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Matt 
Mangriotis 
<matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com<mailto:matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com>>
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" 
<af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Date: Friday, February 2, 2018 at 6:07 PM
To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

I see how you might say that… but we had established the SFP kits back in the 
PTP 650 days.  This was really because there were suspect-quality SFP modules 
floating around, and we wanted to ensure that water ingress (i.e. 
weatherproofing) was being done correctly when the fiber connections required 
extension from the body of the radio.

This will be changing in the near future in that we will start selling the 
extended gland separately (at a more reasonable price), and no longer require 
an “entitlement key” to enable the SFP port.  In the end, this means that you 
can buy your own SFP module and use it as you like.

Hope this might help change your view.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

Unfortunately, Cambium nickel and dimes you to use the SFP port.




Gino A. Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port.  The concept would be fiber to 
each radio for data,  and this box would be for power+sync.   It would include 
the GPS antenna in the box, etc.   Essentially you'd provide bulk power to this 
box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for power/management, and a strand 
of fiber down the tower for management of it all.   That would get you 
management into each of the 450m's and power and sync.

For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower via 
fiber.

At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source.

This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i.

On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same concept 
as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would need a 10G 
uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster. You're 
probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G pipe up 
the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a product like 
this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't something 
similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a multi port 
injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio. Or even CWDM 
mux.
On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)


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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Mike Hammett
:-D 




- 
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- Original Message -

From: "Matt Mangriotis" <matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 4:06:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power 



I see how you might say that… but we had established the SFP kits back in the 
PTP 650 days. This was really because there were suspect-quality SFP modules 
floating around, and we wanted to ensure that water ingress (i.e. 
weatherproofing) was being done correctly when the fiber connections required 
extension from the body of the radio. 

This will be changing in the near future in that we will start selling the 
extended gland separately (at a more reasonable price), and no longer require 
an “entitlement key” to enable the SFP port. In the end, this means that you 
can buy your own SFP module and use it as you like. 

Hope this might help change your view. 

Matt 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:49 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power 


Unfortunately, Cambium nickel and dimes you to use the SFP port. 



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < 
li...@packetflux.com > wrote: 




The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port. The concept would be fiber to 
each radio for data, and this box would be for power+sync. It would include the 
GPS antenna in the box, etc. Essentially you'd provide bulk power to this box, 
run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for power/management, and a strand of 
fiber down the tower for management of it all. That would get you management 
into each of the 450m's and power and sync. 



For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower via 
fiber. 



At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source. 



This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i. 



On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" < george.sko...@cbcast.com > wrote: 



Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same concept 
as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would need a 10G 
uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster. You're 
probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G pipe up 
the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a product like 
this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't something 
similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a multi port 
injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio. Or even CWDM 
mux. 

On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: 



and some of us hate switches in their network altogether. :-) 



- 
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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power 



Forrest, 



It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches inside, I 
know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont. 



I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so we 
moved away from packetflux for new deployments. 



TJ 



On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < 
li...@packetflux.com > wrote: 





I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe. 



I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m with 5 
ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly designed for tower 
top mounting. Not far enough along to say when it will ship, or even if it's 
ever going to see the light of day. 
Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution you 
find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs. Neither the 450i or 
450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 
450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only. 
If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well. There will be a version which 
does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't know 
timing yet. 



On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris < t...@franklinisp.net > wrote: 



Good morning, 



Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps per 
tower. 



I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues with 
these devices and their support not being that great. 


Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
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Franklin, IN 46131 

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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Matt Mangriotis
I see how you might say that… but we had established the SFP kits back in the 
PTP 650 days.  This was really because there were suspect-quality SFP modules 
floating around, and we wanted to ensure that water ingress (i.e. 
weatherproofing) was being done correctly when the fiber connections required 
extension from the body of the radio.

This will be changing in the near future in that we will start selling the 
extended gland separately (at a more reasonable price), and no longer require 
an “entitlement key” to enable the SFP port.  In the end, this means that you 
can buy your own SFP module and use it as you like.

Hope this might help change your view.

Matt

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Muehleisen
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 2:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

Unfortunately, Cambium nickel and dimes you to use the SFP port.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port.  The concept would be fiber to 
each radio for data,  and this box would be for power+sync.   It would include 
the GPS antenna in the box, etc.   Essentially you'd provide bulk power to this 
box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for power/management, and a strand 
of fiber down the tower for management of it all.   That would get you 
management into each of the 450m's and power and sync.

For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower via 
fiber.

At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source.

This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i.

On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" 
<george.sko...@cbcast.com<mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>> wrote:
Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same concept 
as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would need a 10G 
uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster. You're 
probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G pipe up 
the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a product like 
this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't something 
similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a multi port 
injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio. Or even CWDM 
mux.
On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)


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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Eric Muehleisen
Unfortunately, Cambium nickel and dimes you to use the SFP port.

On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port.  The concept would be
> fiber to each radio for data,  and this box would be for power+sync.   It
> would include the GPS antenna in the box, etc.   Essentially you'd provide
> bulk power to this box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for
> power/management, and a strand of fiber down the tower for management of it
> all.   That would get you management into each of the 450m's and power and
> sync.
>
> For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the
> tower via fiber.
>
> At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source.
>
> This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i.
>
> On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same
>> concept as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would
>> need a 10G uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster.
>> You're probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G
>> pipe up the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a
>> product like this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't
>> something similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a
>> multi port injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio.
>> Or even CWDM mux.
>>
>> On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
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>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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>> --
>> *From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> <t...@voltbb.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>>
>> Forrest,
>>
>> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
>> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>>
>> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
>> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>>
>> TJ
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>>
>>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>>> only.
>>>
>>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>>> know timing yet.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>>>> per tower.
>>>>
>>>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some
>>>> issues with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
The unique thing about the 450m is the SFP port.  The concept would be
fiber to each radio for data,  and this box would be for power+sync.   It
would include the GPS antenna in the box, etc.   Essentially you'd provide
bulk power to this box, run a short CAT5 jumper to each radio for
power/management, and a strand of fiber down the tower for management of it
all.   That would get you management into each of the 450m's and power and
sync.

For data, you'd put a SFP in each of the 450m's and run that down the tower
via fiber.

At the bottom, you'd just have a fiber switch and a bulk power source.

This box would do double duty with small clusters of 450i.

On Feb 2, 2018 10:40 AM, "George Skorup" <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same
> concept as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would
> need a 10G uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m cluster.
> You're probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. So only a 1G
> pipe up the tower isn't thinking towards the future. Something I think a
> product like this would need is an integrated voltage regulator. And wasn't
> something similar kicked around in the past? Instead of a switch, make it a
> multi port injector+sync with media conversion. A strand or pair per radio.
> Or even CWDM mux.
>
> On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
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> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
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> ----------
> *From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> <t...@voltbb.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>
> Forrest,
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
> TJ
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>
>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>
>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>> only.
>>
>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>> know timing yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>>> per tower.
>>>
>>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
>>> **Franklin, IN 46131*
>>> *
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739%0D+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%3Chttps://maps.google.com/?q%3D739%2BCommerce%2BDr.*%25C2%25A0%2B%250D%2B**Franklin,%2BIN%2B46131*%26entry%3Dgmail%26source%3Dg%3E+%0D+**Franklin,%0D+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
>>> *
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread George Skorup
Something I still really, really want is the 12 port PowerInjector+Sync. 
Make it and we'll buy it.


On 2/2/2018 5:54 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly 
easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial 
temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets 
and have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to 
my customers.


The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one 
since the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial 
range and I refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated 
down to freezing (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature 
related failures that we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, 
many of the manufacturers only sell to large-volume consumers.  They 
have no interest in doing business with an organization which doesn't 
do a million units of a product.


Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of 
mine recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 
GBIC port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be 
integrated well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which 
is sitting here, but other things have taken priority.


Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the 
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the 
partially started projects around here I need to pick up and run 
with.   There are some which are minimal work which will likely get 
done soon (i.e. producing medusa-compatible cambium sync products in 
various other form factors, and finishing a couple of i/o board which 
are basically done).


Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA 
is what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things 
people don't want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are 
looking for.   I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them 
are really of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout > wrote:


Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with
switches inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's
dont.

I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.

TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1
SFP port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far
enough along to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever
going to see the light of day.

Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that
whatever solution you find will support at least 70W per port,
and all 4 pairs. Neither the 450i or 450m really care about
polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i
since the 450m does the new cambium sync only.

If you can live with separate poe box, of course the
packetflux powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well. 
There will be a version which does medusa sync out sometime
soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't know timing yet.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris
> wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for
4 - 450m aps per tower.

I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard
about some issues with these devices and their support not
being that great.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce

Dr.**
**Franklin, IN

46131**
***
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*317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #*
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread George Skorup
Could be fine for a tower-top DC+fiber fed injector(+sync)-switch. Same 
concept as the UBNT edge thing. Consider that something like this would 
need a 10G uplink if you're going to be powering and timing a 450m 
cluster. You're probably going to want at least 500Mbps to each sector. 
So only a 1G pipe up the tower isn't thinking towards the future. 
Something I think a product like this would need is an integrated 
voltage regulator. And wasn't something similar kicked around in the 
past? Instead of a switch, make it a multi port injector+sync with media 
conversion. A strand or pair per radio. Or even CWDM mux.


On 2/2/2018 6:44 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

and some of us hate switches in their network altogether.  :-)



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*From: *"TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches 
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.


I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate 
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.


TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:


I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP
port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough
along to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to see
the light of day.

Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4
pairs.  Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity,
unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m
does the new cambium sync only.

If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a
version which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure
thing, just we don't know timing yet.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net
<mailto:t...@franklinisp.net>> wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 -
450m aps per tower.

I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about
some issues with these devices and their support not being
that great.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce

Dr.**<https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
**Franklin, IN 46131**
***
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread chuck
Speaking for myself here, I don’t really make money by building commodity 
items.  

Switches are so low cost, integrating it into the system would be preferable 
than spinning one from the ground up.  Not only do you have a chip set that is 
arguably somewhat obsolete as soon as it is released but then you have a whole 
layer of software to support.  

A switch would certainly be easier in both respects since it is pretty much a 
canned solution from the ap note on up, but unless it makes me a bunch of 
money, I know my time is better spent trying to come up with novel solutions 
that do not currently exist.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 4:54 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

I have a preference for a switch that works. 

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly easy to 
integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial temperature range.   
Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and have never found any that I 
would feel comfortable to provide to my customers.  

The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since the 
vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I refuse 
to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing (there's a 
reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that we can 
recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only sell to 
large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business with an 
organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.

Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine 
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC port, 
and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated well.   I 
need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting here, but other 
things have taken priority.   

Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the pending 
projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially started 
projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are some which are 
minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing medusa-compatible 
cambium sync products in various other form factors, and finishing a couple of 
i/o board which are basically done).

Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is what 
people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't want, so 
I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.   I've got lots of 
ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

  Forrest, 

  It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches inside, 
I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.

  I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so 
we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.

  TJ

  On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.


I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m 
with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly designed 
for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will ship, or 
even if it's ever going to see the light of day.


Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution 
you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.  Neither the 450i 
or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on 
the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only.


If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version which 
does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't know 
timing yet.


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:

  Good morning, 


  Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps 
per tower. 


  I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues 
with these devices and their support not being that great. 

  Tyson Burris, President 
  Internet Communications Inc. 
  739 Commerce Dr.
  Franklin, IN 46131

  317-738-0320 Daytime # 
  317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Robert
#nofans   meaning the whirly things that suck up dirt and die killing 
the device...


On 2/2/18 3:54 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly 
easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial 
temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and 
have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my 
customers.


The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one 
since the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial 
range and I refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated 
down to freezing (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature 
related failures that we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many 
of the manufacturers only sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no 
interest in doing business with an organization which doesn't do a 
million units of a product.


Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine 
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC 
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated 
well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting 
here, but other things have taken priority.


Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the 
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the 
partially started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.  
  There are some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon 
(i.e. producing medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other 
form factors, and finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).


Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is 
what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people 
don't want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking 
for.   I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really 
of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout > wrote:


Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.

I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.

TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP
port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough
along to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to
see the light of day.

Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that
whatever solution you find will support at least 70W per port,
and all 4 pairs.  Neither the 450i or 450m really care about
polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i
since the 450m does the new cambium sync only.

If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a
version which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure
thing, just we don't know timing yet.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris > wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4
- 450m aps per tower.

I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about
some issues with these devices and their support not being
that great.

*Tyson Burris, President**
**Internet Communications Inc.**
**739 Commerce

Dr.**
**Franklin, IN

46131**
***
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*317-412-1540  Cell/Direct #*
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Adam Moffett

YAY!

-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/2/2018 8:52:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

Umm 
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-5-channel-power-distribution-unit/ 
 ???   144W per channel @ 100W


It is limited to 8A (384W@48V) total across all outputs.  This limit is 
related to the maximum each pin can handle, and since this is arranged 
with a single input and multiple outputs you're limited to 8A.  But if 
you need 100W just think of it as a 3 port PDU with a couple spare 
low-current channels.


I mentioned in another thread that we have plans to make a version of 
this to try to help where you're switching a lot of heavy loads.  That 
version will likely look like six solid state, programmable current 
limited relays.  More wiring, but more power since you can do 8A per 
connector pin (so it might be as high as 8A per channel, but we need to 
do thermal engineering before I can guarantee that).   Oh, and removal 
of the negative ground/positive power requirement is part of this.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:24 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I know it's not WISPAMERICA, but I might not have time to go.

This need might be less common in the wisposphere, but it would be 
useful to me to have a relay or pdu module that could switch 100W 
48VDC loads.


-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power


I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is 
fairly easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in 
industrial temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at 
numerous chipsets and have never found any that I would feel 
comfortable to provide to my customers.


The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one 
since the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial 
range and I refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only 
rated down to freezing (there's a reason why we've never had any 
temperature related failures that we can recall).   Of the remaining 
chipsets, many of the manufacturers only sell to large-volume 
consumers.  They have no interest in doing business with an 
organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.


Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of 
mine recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 
1 GBIC port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be 
integrated well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board 
which is sitting here, but other things have taken priority.


Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the 
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the 
partially started projects around here I need to pick up and run 
with.   There are some which are minimal work which will likely get 
done soon (i.e. producing medusa-compatible cambium sync products in 
various other form factors, and finishing a couple of i/o board which 
are basically done).


Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA 
is what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things 
people don't want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are 
looking for.   I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them 
are really of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches 
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.


I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate 
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.


TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP 
port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough 
along to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to see 
the light of day.


Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever 
solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 
pairs.  Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless 
you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does 
the new cambium sync only.


If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a 
version which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure 
thing, just we don't know timing yet.


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@fr

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
This is fixed in the rackinjector,  and will continue through the product
line as we refresh it over the next year or so.   The limitation today has
to do with this data being stored in the expansion units themselves and
there is a total of 1024 bytes of eeprom for all descriptions and power on
values which doesn't go that far.

On Feb 2, 2018 5:22 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

Can I vote for longer names or descriptions on things?
The character limit drives me nuts.

E.G.: I want to label a relay as "Relay1: Triggers external power relay for
West Base Station".  Right now it's more like, "Rel1 W BS".


-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly easy
to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial temperature
range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and have never
found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my customers.

The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
(there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.

Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
here, but other things have taken priority.

Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).

Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
 I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
interest.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> Forrest,
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
> TJ
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>
>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>
>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>> only.
>>
>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>> know timing yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>>> per tower.
>>>
>>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
&

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Replacement for the CMM5 I definitely do have


On Feb 2, 2018 6:57 AM, "Tyson Burris" <t...@franklinisp.net> wrote:

> Yes, it would be nice Forrest but I know you don’t have anything.
>
> I have reserved myself to a CMM5 at this point but not happy about it.
>
>
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
> *Internet Communications Inc.*
> *739 Commerce Dr.
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> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>
>
>
> I have a preference for a switch that works.
>
>
>
> My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly
> easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial
> temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and
> have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my
> customers.
>
>
>
> The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
> the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
> refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
> (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
> we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
> sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
> with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.
>
>
>
> Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
> recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
> port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
> well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
> here, but other things have taken priority.
>
>
>
> Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
> pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
> started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
> some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
> medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
> finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).
>
>
>
> Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
> what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
> want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
>  I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
> interest.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
> Forrest,
>
>
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
>
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
>
>
> TJ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>
>
>
> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>
> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cam

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Tyson Burris
Yes, it would be nice Forrest but I know you don’t have anything.
I have reserved myself to a CMM5 at this point but not happy about it.

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Franklin, IN 46131

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Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 6:55 AM
To: af <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly easy to 
integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial temperature range.   
Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and have never found any that I 
would feel comfortable to provide to my customers.

The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since the 
vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I refuse 
to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing (there's a 
reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that we can 
recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only sell to 
large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business with an 
organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.

Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine 
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC port, 
and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated well.   I 
need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting here, but other 
things have taken priority.

Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the pending 
projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially started 
projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are some which are 
minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing medusa-compatible 
cambium sync products in various other form factors, and finishing a couple of 
i/o board which are basically done).

Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is what 
people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't want, so 
I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.   I've got lots of 
ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of interest.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout 
<t...@voltbb.com<mailto:t...@voltbb.com>> wrote:
Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches inside, I 
know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.

I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so we 
moved away from packetflux for new deployments.

TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m with 5 
ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly designed for tower 
top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will ship, or even if it's 
ever going to see the light of day.
Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution you 
find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.  Neither the 450i or 
450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 
450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only.
If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version which 
does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't know 
timing yet.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris 
<t...@franklinisp.net<mailto:t...@franklinisp.net>> wrote:
Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps per 
tower.

I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues with 
these devices and their support not being that great.

Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr. 
<https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
Franklin, IN 46131 
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Umm
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-5-channel-power-distribution-unit/
???   144W per channel @ 100W

It is limited to 8A (384W@48V) total across all outputs.  This limit is
related to the maximum each pin can handle, and since this is arranged with
a single input and multiple outputs you're limited to 8A.  But if you need
100W just think of it as a 3 port PDU with a couple spare low-current
channels.

I mentioned in another thread that we have plans to make a version of this
to try to help where you're switching a lot of heavy loads.  That version
will likely look like six solid state, programmable current limited
relays.  More wiring, but more power since you can do 8A per connector pin
(so it might be as high as 8A per channel, but we need to do thermal
engineering before I can guarantee that).   Oh, and removal of the negative
ground/positive power requirement is part of this.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 5:24 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I know it's not WISPAMERICA, but I might not have time to go.
>
> This need might be less common in the wisposphere, but it would be useful
> to me to have a relay or pdu module that could switch 100W 48VDC loads.
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power
>
> I have a preference for a switch that works.
>
> My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly
> easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial
> temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and
> have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my
> customers.
>
> The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
> the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
> refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
> (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
> we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
> sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
> with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.
>
> Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
> recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
> port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
> well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
> here, but other things have taken priority.
>
> Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
> pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
> started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
> some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
> medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
> finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).
>
> Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
> what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
> want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
>  I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
> interest.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:
>
>> Forrest,
>>
>> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
>> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>>
>> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
>> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>>
>> TJ
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>>
>>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>>> only.
>>>
>>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetf

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Adam Moffett

I know it's not WISPAMERICA, but I might not have time to go.

This need might be less common in the wisposphere, but it would be 
useful to me to have a relay or pdu module that could switch 100W 48VDC 
loads.


-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power


I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly 
easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial 
temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets 
and have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my 
customers.


The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one 
since the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial 
range and I refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated 
down to freezing (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature 
related failures that we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many 
of the manufacturers only sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no 
interest in doing business with an organization which doesn't do a 
million units of a product.


Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine 
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC 
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be 
integrated well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which 
is sitting here, but other things have taken priority.


Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the 
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the 
partially started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.  
 There are some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon 
(i.e. producing medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various 
other form factors, and finishing a couple of i/o board which are 
basically done).


Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA 
is what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people 
don't want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking 
for.   I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are 
really of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches 
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.


I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate 
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.


TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP 
port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along 
to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light 
of day.


Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever 
solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 
pairs.  Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless 
you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the 
new cambium sync only.


If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a 
version which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, 
just we don't know timing yet.


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> 
wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m 
aps per tower.


I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some 
issues with these devices and their support not being that great.


Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.  
<https://maps.google.com/?q=739+Commerce+Dr.*%C2%A0+%0D+**Franklin,+IN+46131*=gmail=g>
Franklin, IN 46131  
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly easy
to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial temperature
range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets and have never
found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my customers.

The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one since
the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial range and I
refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated down to freezing
(there's a reason why we've never had any temperature related failures that
we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many of the manufacturers only
sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no interest in doing business
with an organization which doesn't do a million units of a product.

Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be integrated
well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which is sitting
here, but other things have taken priority.

Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the partially
started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.   There are
some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon (i.e. producing
medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various other form factors, and
finishing a couple of i/o board which are basically done).

Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA is
what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people don't
want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking for.
 I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are really of
interest.



On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Forrest,
>
> It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
> inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.
>
> I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch
> so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.
>
> TJ
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>>
>> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
>> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
>> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
>> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>>
>> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
>> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
>> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
>> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
>> only.
>>
>> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
>> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
>> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
>> know timing yet.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>>> per tower.
>>>
>>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>>
>>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>>> *
>>> 
>>> **Franklin, IN 46131*
>>> *
>>> 
>>> *
>>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
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>>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> 
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
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Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Adam Moffett

Can I vote for longer names or descriptions on things?
The character limit drives me nuts.

E.G.: I want to label a relay as "Relay1: Triggers external power relay 
for West Base Station".  Right now it's more like, "Rel1 W BS".



-- Original Message --
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com>
To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 2/2/2018 6:54:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power


I have a preference for a switch that works.

My challenge has always been to find a chipset I trust which is fairly 
easy to integrate, is obtainable, and is available in industrial 
temperature range.   Over the years I've looked at numerous chipsets 
and have never found any that I would feel comfortable to provide to my 
customers.


The industrial temperature range issue was probably the biggest one 
since the vast majority of chipsets are only available in commercial 
range and I refuse to ship a product which contains chipset only rated 
down to freezing (there's a reason why we've never had any temperature 
related failures that we can recall).   Of the remaining chipsets, many 
of the manufacturers only sell to large-volume consumers.  They have no 
interest in doing business with an organization which doesn't do a 
million units of a product.


Well the never part was true until recently.   A trusted vendor of mine 
recently released a switch chipset with 5 Gigabit copper ports, 1 GBIC 
port, and 1 management port, and which seems to be able to be 
integrated well.   I need to spend some time with the eval board which 
is sitting here, but other things have taken priority.


Over the last couple of months, we've pretty much finished all of the 
pending projects, and so I'm working on figuring out which of the 
partially started projects around here I need to pick up and run with.  
 There are some which are minimal work which will likely get done soon 
(i.e. producing medusa-compatible cambium sync products in various 
other form factors, and finishing a couple of i/o board which are 
basically done).


Of the rest, part of what I'm going to be listening to at WISPAMERICA 
is what people are needing.  I really don't want to build things people 
don't want, so I'm going to be listening as to what people are looking 
for.   I've got lots of ideas, just not sure how many of them are 
really of interest.




On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 12:52 AM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches 
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.


I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate 
switch so we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.


TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 
450i/450m with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP 
port), mainly designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along 
to say when it will ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light 
of day.


Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever 
solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 
pairs.  Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless 
you're doing sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the 
new cambium sync only.


If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a 
version which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, 
just we don't know timing yet.


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris <t...@franklinisp.net> 
wrote:

Good morning,

Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m 
aps per tower.


I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some 
issues with these devices and their support not being that great.


Tyson Burris, President
Internet Communications Inc.
739 Commerce Dr.  
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Franklin, IN 46131  
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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-02 Thread Mike Hammett
and some of us hate switches in their network altogether. :-) 




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- Original Message -

From: "TJ Trout" <t...@voltbb.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 1:52:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power 


Forrest, 


It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches inside, I 
know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont. 


I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so we 
moved away from packetflux for new deployments. 


TJ 


On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) < 
li...@packetflux.com > wrote: 





I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe. 



I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m with 5 
ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly designed for tower 
top mounting. Not far enough along to say when it will ship, or even if it's 
ever going to see the light of day. 

Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution you 
find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs. Neither the 450i or 
450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then only on the 
450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only. 

If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux 
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well. There will be a version which 
does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't know 
timing yet. 



On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris < t...@franklinisp.net > wrote: 



Good morning, 


Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps per 
tower. 


I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues with 
these devices and their support not being that great. 


Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 

317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net 


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Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-01 Thread TJ Trout
Forrest,

It would be awesome if you could ever develop products with switches
inside, I know you have a (Cisco?) preference but other's dont.

I would have purchased lots. I hate that I have to use a separate switch so
we moved away from packetflux for new deployments.

TJ

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.
>
> I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
> with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
> designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
> ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.
>
> Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever
> solution you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.
> Neither the 450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing
> sync, and then only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync
> only.
>
> If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
> powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
> which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
> know timing yet.
>
> On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:
>
>> Good morning,
>>
>> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps
>> per tower.
>>
>> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
>> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>>
>> *Tyson Burris, President*
>>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>> *
>> 
>> **Franklin, IN 46131*
>>
>> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
>> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
>> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>>
>>
>> VIA WIRELESS
>>
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>> memb...@wispa.org
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>
>
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> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> 
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450m power

2018-02-01 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
I'm assuming you mean includes switch+poe.

I'm in the process of working on something specificaly for the 450i/450m
with 5 ports and sync hardware all in one box (+1 SFP port), mainly
designed for tower top mounting.   Not far enough along to say when it will
ship, or even if it's ever going to see the light of day.

Any other solution you look at, you should make sure that whatever solution
you find will support at least 70W per port, and all 4 pairs.  Neither the
450i or 450m really care about polarity, unless you're doing sync, and then
only on the 450i since the 450m does the new cambium sync only.

If you can live with separate poe box, of course the packetflux
powerinjector+sync powers 450m's really well.  There will be a version
which does medusa sync out sometime soon, it's a sure thing, just we don't
know timing yet.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 5:07 AM, Tyson Burris  wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> Looking for an all in one, but reliable, power source for 4 - 450m aps per
> tower.
>
> I have heard netonix a few times but I have also heard about some issues
> with these devices and their support not being that great.
>
> *Tyson Burris, President*
>   *Internet Communications Inc.*
>   *739 Commerce Dr.*
>   *Franklin, IN 46131*
>
> *317-738-0320 <317-738-0320> Daytime #*
> *317-412-1540 <317-412-1540> Cell/Direct #*
> *Online: **www.surfici.net* 
>
>
> VIA WIRELESS
>
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>


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