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+1 On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:18 AM, Robert wrote: > +1 > > On 2/15/18 7:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >> I can.� I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger >> pull hole. >> *From:* Gino A. Villarini >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> You can make the cards longer� >> From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown < >> ch...@wbmfg.com> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" >> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM >> To: "af@afmug.com" >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >> *//* >> >> */Gino A. Villarini/* >> >> President >> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >> >> I ran out of room when I tried.� That is on the APC version. >> *From:* Gino A. Villarini >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> O need both the SS and the Fuse? can�t they be integrated in the same >> unit? >> From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown < >> ch...@wbmfg.com> >> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" >> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM >> To: "af@afmug.com" >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >> *//* >> >> */Gino A. Villarini/* >> >> President >> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >> >> Two similar questions: >> Surge suppressors can blow ports.� If you have a surge, the surge >> protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.� That shorts them >> all together and grounds them.� That will also blow some POE ports. >> So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need >> fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector.� Learned this >> the hard way. >> *From:* can...@believewireless.net >> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge >> arrestor card as well? >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout wrote: >> >> per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else >> was too slow. >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett >> wrote: >> >> I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to >> make a device that recovers automatically after the short >> circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect >> the port? >> >> Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Chuck McCown" >> To: "Animal Farm" >> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >> We have been shipping for months. >> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the >> cost of the fuse. >> And then there is the labor and downtime and other >> intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. >> >> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my >> distributors.� I don't encourage anyone to buy off my >> ecommerce site and pay full list price.� That site is only >> there to generate sales for distributors. >> >> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. >> Same formula across the board pretty much.� I try to have >> unique products you can't get other places.��� If volume >> increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down >> due to the fact that my costs come down.� For example, if I >> am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for >> each.� But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. >> >> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower >> surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I >> worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list >> price considerably and still maintain my margins. >> >> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >> Hi Chuck, >> >> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. >> >> Question & critique. >> When are these going to be available ? >> We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... >> (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports >> appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is >> protecting ! ) >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or >> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> >>
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+1 On 2/15/18 7:49 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I can.� I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger pull hole. *From:* Gino A. Villarini *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... You can make the cards longer� From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... *//* */Gino A. Villarini/* President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 I ran out of room when I tried.� That is on the APC version. *From:* Gino A. Villarini *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... O need both the SS and the Fuse? can�t they be integrated in the same unit? From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... *//* */Gino A. Villarini/* President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Two similar questions: Surge suppressors can blow ports.� If you have a surge, the surge protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground.� That shorts them all together and grounds them.� That will also blow some POE ports. So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector.� Learned this the hard way. *From:* can...@believewireless.net *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor card as well? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout wrote: per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect the port? Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors.� I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price.� That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much.� I try to have unique products you can't get other places.��� If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down.� For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each.� But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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I can. I can have them hanging out the front and eliminate the finger pull hole. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 7:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... You can make the cards longer… From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 I ran out of room when I tried. That is on the APC version. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit? From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Two similar questions: Surge suppressors can blow ports. If you have a surge, the surge protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground. That shorts them all together and grounds them. That will also blow some POE ports. So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector. Learned this the hard way. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor card as well? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout wrote: per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect the port? Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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You can make the cards longer… From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 4:02 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] I ran out of room when I tried. That is on the APC version. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit? From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:2FEFBECBDEC54B54AEBC8967FFCE8069@ChuckMcCownPC] Two similar questions: Surge suppressors can blow ports. If you have a surge, the surge protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground. That shorts them all together and grounds them. That will also blow some POE ports. So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector. Learned this the hard way. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor card as well? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout wrote: per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect the port? Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? -- Original Message ------ From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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Fair point Jaime. One can look at as "Life Insurance" ... e.g. one time use when needed ! (I am not arguing about the need for it.. just making the case that we would like to see it a bit more cost effective :) ) :) regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Jaime Solorza" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:12:06 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > I will climb the tallest tree or tower and cry out Franklin lightning > protection method has worked very well for us. I shared posts several years > ago > of a UV system that kept getting hit and damaged until I put an air terminal > 10 > ft. above tower and ran copper wire straight down to grounding rods...that's > step one.. grounding and in line protection on all copper lines using best > method and products like Chuck's. > Jaime Solorza > On Feb 14, 2018 8:05 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" < fai...@snappytelecom.net > wrote: >> So while we are playing what if's >> let's face reality... >> If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit. >> Chances of one or two only is small >> Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the >> benefit of >> having a POE switch. >> :) >> Regards. >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> - Original Message - >> > From: "Robert Andrews" < i...@avantwireless.com > >> > To: af@afmug.com >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 1:20:57 PM >> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> > I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one >> > card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the >> > initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... >> > On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> >> Thanks for the reply... >> >> I was looking at things more simply... >> >> To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take >> >> Switch value may be in similar ball park >> >> It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. >> >> I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. >> >> Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase >> >> qty, if >> >> that will help in bring the cost down. >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> - Original Message - >> >>> From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > >> >>> To: "Animal Farm" < af@afmug.com > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM >> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >>> We have been shipping for months. >> >>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the >> >>> fuse. >> >>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses >> >>> involved in blowing a port. >> >>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't >> >>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. >> >>> That >> >>> site is only there to generate sales for distributors. >> >>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula >> >>> across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get >> >>> other places. If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the >> >>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am >> >>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I >> >>> am >> >>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. >> >>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector >> >>> for >> >>> exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying >> >>> and >> >>> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my >> >>> margins. >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM >> >>> To: Animal Farm >> >>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >>> Hi Chuck, >> >>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. >> >>> Question & critique. >> >>> When are these going to be available ? >> >>> We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... >> >>> (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be >> >>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) >> >>> Regards. >> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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I will climb the tallest tree or tower and cry out Franklin lightning protection method has worked very well for us. I shared posts several years ago of a UV system that kept getting hit and damaged until I put an air terminal 10 ft. above tower and ran copper wire straight down to grounding rods...that's step one.. grounding and in line protection on all copper lines using best method and products like Chuck's. Jaime Solorza On Feb 14, 2018 8:05 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" wrote: > So while we are playing what if's > > let's face reality... > If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit. > Chances of one or two only is small > > Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the > benefit of having a POE switch. > > > :) > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > > - Original Message - > > From: "Robert Andrews" > > To: af@afmug.com > > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 1:20:57 PM > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > > > I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one > > card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the > > initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... > > > > > > > > On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: > >> Thanks for the reply... > >> > >> I was looking at things more simply... > >> To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take > >> Switch value may be in similar ball park > >> > >> It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. > >> > >> I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. > >> > >> Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase > qty, if > >> that will help in bring the cost down. > >> > >> Regards. > >> > >> Faisal Imtiaz > >> Snappy Internet & Telecom > >> http://www.snappytelecom.net > >> > >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > >> > >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > >> > >> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Chuck McCown" > >>> To: "Animal Farm" > >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > >> > >>> We have been shipping for months. > >>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the > >>> fuse. > >>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses > >>> involved in blowing a port. > >>> > >>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't > >>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list > price. That > >>> site is only there to generate sales for distributors. > >>> > >>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula > >>> across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't > get > >>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust > the > >>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I > am > >>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if > I am > >>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. > >>> > >>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge > protector for > >>> exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and > buying and > >>> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my > margins. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz > >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM > >>> To: Animal Farm > >>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > >>> > >>> Hi Chuck, > >>> > >>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. > >>> > >>> Question & critique. > >>>When are these going to be available ? > >>>We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... > >>>(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears > to be > >>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) > >>> > >>> Regards. > >>> > >>> Faisal Imtiaz > >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom > >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net > >>> > >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > >>> > >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >
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So while we are playing what if's let's face reality... If tower is hit by lightning, all active surge/fuse/ports will be hit. Chances of one or two only is small Yes I fully understand the value of the surge protector, fuse and the benefit of having a POE switch. :) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Robert Andrews" > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 1:20:57 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one > card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the > initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... > > > > On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: >> Thanks for the reply... >> >> I was looking at things more simply... >> To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take >> Switch value may be in similar ball park >> >> It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. >> >> I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. >> >> Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, >> if >> that will help in bring the cost down. >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> >> - Original Message - >>> From: "Chuck McCown" >>> To: "Animal Farm" >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >>> We have been shipping for months. >>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the >>> fuse. >>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses >>> involved in blowing a port. >>> >>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't >>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That >>> site is only there to generate sales for distributors. >>> >>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula >>> across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get >>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the >>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am >>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am >>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. >>> >>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for >>> exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and >>> was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM >>> To: Animal Farm >>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >>> >>> Hi Chuck, >>> >>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. >>> >>> Question & critique. >>>When are these going to be available ? >>>We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... >>>(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be >>> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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I ran out of room when I tried. That is on the APC version. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit? From: Af on behalf of Chuck McCown Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM To: "af@afmug.com" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 Two similar questions: Surge suppressors can blow ports. If you have a surge, the surge protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground. That shorts them all together and grounds them. That will also blow some POE ports. So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector. Learned this the hard way. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor card as well? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout wrote: per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect the port? Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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yes they are, now, It wasn't so great when they first got going... I told them they could keep a unit rather than the charge to repair it and ship it back with the an early unit. Glad to see they are better. On 02/14/2018 11:27 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I know, and I appreciate it. Just want to be fair to Netonix. They are reasonable in the charge to fix a blown port. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your inventory... Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device. & I was trying to make a case for your device!! On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Thanks for the reply... I was looking at things more simply... To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take Switch value may be in similar ball park It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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O need both the SS and the Fuse? can’t they be integrated in the same unit? From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:50 AM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Gino A. Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Two similar questions: Surge suppressors can blow ports. If you have a surge, the surge protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground. That shorts them all together and grounds them. That will also blow some POE ports. So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector. Learned this the hard way. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor card as well? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout wrote: per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect the port? Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
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I know, and I appreciate it. Just want to be fair to Netonix. They are reasonable in the charge to fix a blown port. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your inventory... Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device. & I was trying to make a case for your device!! On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Thanks for the reply... I was looking at things more simply... To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take Switch value may be in similar ball park It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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Plus shipping both ways and you better put another spare in your inventory... Repair service starts at $75-100 depending upon device. & I was trying to make a case for your device!! On 02/14/2018 10:29 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Thanks for the reply... I was looking at things more simply... To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take Switch value may be in similar ball park It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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I think Netonix will fix a blown POE port for $25. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:20 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Thanks for the reply... I was looking at things more simply... To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take Switch value may be in similar ball park It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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I look at as, if you have a short on a port Chuck costs the price of one card, $20 and the netonix is a whole box, even if you RMA it... Yes the initial cost is steep, but the future cost/time is priceless... On 02/14/2018 10:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: Thanks for the reply... I was looking at things more simply... To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take Switch value may be in similar ball park It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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Just bug all my distributors to place stocking orders. That works miracles. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 11:04 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Thanks for the reply... I was looking at things more simply... To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take Switch value may be in similar ball park It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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Thanks for the reply... I was looking at things more simply... To protect 10/12 ports we are talking about $200/$250 give or take Switch value may be in similar ball park It would be nice to see these in more of the $10 range.. I completely understand the production qty run vs cost. Maybe, just a suggestion, we (as a group) can commit to a per-purchase qty, if that will help in bring the cost down. Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net - Original Message - > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:27:31 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > We have been shipping for months. > The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the > fuse. > And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses > involved in blowing a port. > > The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't > encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That > site is only there to generate sales for distributors. > > All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula > across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get > other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the > price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am > buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am > only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. > > I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for > exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and > was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. > > -Original Message- > From: Faisal Imtiaz > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM > To: Animal Farm > Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > > Hi Chuck, > > Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. > > Question & critique. > When are these going to be available ? > We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... > (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be > exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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Two similar questions: Surge suppressors can blow ports. If you have a surge, the surge protector will clamp all the Ethernet lines to ground. That shorts them all together and grounds them. That will also blow some POE ports. So you need surge protectors to protect things from surges, but you need fuses to protect the POE source from the surge protector. Learned this the hard way. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor card as well? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout wrote: per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect the port? Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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So for a Netonix, do we just need the fuse or do we need the surge arrestor card as well? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:41 AM, TJ Trout wrote: > per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too > slow. > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > >> I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a >> device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while >> also responding fast enough to protect the port? >> >> Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "Chuck McCown" >> To: "Animal Farm" >> Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >> We have been shipping for months. >>> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the >>> fuse. >>> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses >>> involved in blowing a port. >>> >>> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't >>> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. >>> That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. >>> >>> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula >>> across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get >>> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the >>> price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am >>> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am >>> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. >>> >>> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector >>> for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying >>> and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my >>> margins. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM >>> To: Animal Farm >>> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >>> >>> Hi Chuck, >>> >>> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. >>> >>> Question & critique. >>> When are these going to be available ? >>> We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... >>> (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to >>> be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> http://www.snappytelecom.net >>> >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> >> >> >
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That would have been ideal, however the PTC solidstate fuses do not blow fast enough. And doing a solid state current sensor runs up the cost and has it's own set of problems. If you are supplying the current it is no problem as you have an easy way to sense and interrupt the current. But when you are dropping in-line to an existing circuit you have to be totally isolated, balanced, not affect the ethernet signal and able to cope with a wide variety of currents and voltages. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:34 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect the port? Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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Do the fuses protect against the same things as the surge protectors? Or do you need those in line also? On 2/14/18 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect the port? Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places. If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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per chuck they must be fueses to protect a netonix, anything else was too slow. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 7:34 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a > device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while > also responding fast enough to protect the port? > > Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Chuck McCown" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... > > We have been shipping for months. >> The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the >> fuse. >> And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses >> involved in blowing a port. >> >> The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't >> encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. >> That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. >> >> All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula >> across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get >> other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the >> price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am >> buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am >> only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. >> >> I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector >> for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying >> and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my >> margins. >> >> -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz >> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM >> To: Animal Farm >> Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... >> >> Hi Chuck, >> >> Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. >> >> Question & critique. >> When are these going to be available ? >> We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... >> (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be >> exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) >> >> Regards. >> >> Faisal Imtiaz >> Snappy Internet & Telecom >> http://www.snappytelecom.net >> >> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >> >> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >> > >
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I'm sure you already thought about this, but is it possible to make a device that recovers automatically after the short circuit has ended while also responding fast enough to protect the port? Is it a case where it's possible but costs too much? -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: 2/14/2018 10:27:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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We have been shipping for months. The cost of having a Netonix port repaired is more than the cost of the fuse. And then there is the labor and downtime and other intangible expenses involved in blowing a port. The prices are lower if you buy from one of my distributors. I don't encourage anyone to buy off my ecommerce site and pay full list price. That site is only there to generate sales for distributors. All of my products have prices based on cost plus margin. Same formula across the board pretty much. I try to have unique products you can't get other places.If volume increases on a product, I sometimes adjust the price down due to the fact that my costs come down. For example, if I am buying 1000 surge protector PCBs, I may be paying $1 for each. But if I am only buying 100 of them it may be $2.50. I recently adjusted the cost down on my 8 circuit tower surge protector for exactly this reason. Volume picked up, I worked on sourcing and buying and was able to drop the list price considerably and still maintain my margins. -Original Message- From: Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 8:00 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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I live in two wireless world's...on the SCADA side, we use top quality components which have a higher cost for critical operational needs, i.e., clean and waste water systems. Phoenix Contact and Puls power supplies, etc. So we protect everything with fuses and grounding...I have been criticized by some on this list when we started using Ubiquiti Tough switches on some installations. Only one had to be replaced so far. We used them because they did their job. On another project we installed solar panel systems and the Tycon POE controllers started have issues within weeks. We took some TS-5s and connected them to 24vdc feed and no more problems. We are going to order some of Chuck's fuses and give a whirl on our systems...Which will include Phoenix Contact and Ubiquiti switches. Jaime Solorza On Feb 14, 2018 8:00 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz" wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. > > Question & critique. >When are these going to be available ? >We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... >(At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to > be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) > > Regards. > > Faisal Imtiaz > Snappy Internet & Telecom > http://www.snappytelecom.net > > Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 > > Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >
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Buy better switches? :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Faisal Imtiaz" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:00:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] POE Fuse ... Hi Chuck, Great to hear about the new product, the POE Fuse. Question & critique. When are these going to be available ? We would like to see these priced a bit more aggressive... (At the current pricing, the cost of fusing multiple ports appears to be exceeding the cost of 'poe switch' it is protecting ! ) Regards. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom http://www.snappytelecom.net Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net