subject:"Re\: \[AFMUG\] Rise Broadband Speeds"

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-22 Thread Daniel White

There is no 450m inventory in the channel yet.  Cambium has not shipped any.



A few units will leak out next week… but it’s going to be awhile before 
pre-orders are fulfilled.



I’d strongly recommend you get an order in now.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:04 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds



With Baltic, put the item in your cart and see if the shipping methods include 
pick up at Lisle warehouse.  If not, they are probably drop shipping from a 
distributor or manufacturer.  Who may or may not have stock.





From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:48 PM
To: af mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds



Baltic's website says they have them in stock...  Of course, one never knows if 
any particular website is actually correct as far as stocking levels.



On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 5:53 PM, SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com> > wrote:

I thought they were due to ship in September?

I would think testers would be allowed to speak any time soon.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds



I'm going to HQ next week. I'll try to sneak one out under my shirt. :)

On 9/21/2016 3:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Anyone actually have one in the air?

Comments?



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds



Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.





-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >

To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds



What Medusa system are referring to?



On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in each of 
seven different beams.

To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the 
initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>





  _____


From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Actually it's more nuanced than that.

Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't added a 
higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did).

What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous 
subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My recollection 
is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today to go look and 
verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the same 
channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges this as 
well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path 
characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning what 
customer spread works the best



On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts many 
sectors in one radio.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-22 Thread Ken Hohhof

Haha, you said “presumed”.

 

And isn’t that the basis for the word “presumptuous”?

 

We are born into this world naked, selfish, presumptuous and entitled.  Then we 
start our long initiation into the real world.  Some of us (known as 
millennials) delay this process until about the age of 35.  A select view delay 
it to age 70 and run for President.

 

I’m sensing a lame joke in there about making a Pres of You and Me.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 9:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

 

Someday it will just be a “connection”.  It will be presumed to be fast enough 
for whatever you may need to do.  

 

From: Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>  

Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 8:29 AM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

 

It's all "up to" speeds anyway, right?!?! So why doesn't everyone just offer 
"10,000Mbps for $49.95" and be done with all the games? LOL

Travis



On 9/21/2016 12:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Residential.  One of their customers switched to our fiber.  Rise offered them 
300 Mbps for the same price to stay.  

 

From: Jason McKemie <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>  

Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:44 PM

To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

 

Are they advertising that speed for residential? Or is it just a generic up to 
speed?

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016, Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?  What 
PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-22 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

if the feds have their way thats how it will be, physics be damned

On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 9:35 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Someday it will just be a “connection”.  It will be presumed to be fast
> enough for whatever you may need to do.
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 22, 2016 8:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
> It's all "up to" speeds anyway, right?!?! So why doesn't everyone just
> offer "10,000Mbps for $49.95" and be done with all the games? LOL
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 9/21/2016 12:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> Residential.  One of their customers switched to our fiber.  Rise offered
> them 300 Mbps for the same price to stay.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
> Are they advertising that speed for residential? Or is it just a generic
> up to speed?
>
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
>> that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-22 Thread Chuck McCown

Someday it will just be a “connection”.  It will be presumed to be fast enough 
for whatever you may need to do.  

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 8:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

It's all "up to" speeds anyway, right?!?! So why doesn't everyone just offer 
"10,000Mbps for $49.95" and be done with all the games? LOL

Travis

On 9/21/2016 12:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  Residential.  One of their customers switched to our fiber.  Rise offered 
them 300 Mbps for the same price to stay.  

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:44 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

  Are they advertising that speed for residential? Or is it just a generic up 
to speed?

  On Wednesday, September 21, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?  
What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-22 Thread Travis Johnson

It's all "up to" speeds anyway, right?!?! So why doesn't everyone just 
offer "10,000Mbps for $49.95" and be done with all the games? LOL


Travis


On 9/21/2016 12:53 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Residential.  One of their customers switched to our fiber.  Rise 
offered them 300 Mbps for the same price to stay.

*From:* Jason McKemie <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:44 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
Are they advertising that speed for residential? Or is it just a 
generic up to speed?


On Wednesday, September 21, 2016, Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually
deliver that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

My understanding is that the initial orders are all spoken for.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 10:04 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> With Baltic, put the item in your cart and see if the shipping methods 
> include pick up at Lisle warehouse.  If not, they are probably drop shipping 
> from a distributor or manufacturer.  Who may or may not have stock.
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
> Account)
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:48 PM
> To: af 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>  
> Baltic's website says they have them in stock...  Of course, one never knows 
> if any particular website is actually correct as far as stocking levels.
>  
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 5:53 PM, SmarterBroadband 
>  wrote:
> I thought they were due to ship in September? 
> I would think testers would be allowed to speak any time soon.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:50 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>  
> I'm going to HQ next week. I'll try to sneak one out under my shirt. :)
> 
> On 9/21/2016 3:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Anyone actually have one in the air?
> Comments?
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:45 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>  
> Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>  
> What Medusa system are referring to? 
> 
>  
> On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in each 
> of seven different beams.
> 
> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the 
> initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
> 
> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
> 
> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't added a 
> higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did).
> 
> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous 
> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My 
> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today to 
> go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.  
> 
> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the same 
> channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges this as 
> well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path 
> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning 
> what customer spread works the best
>  
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts many 
> sectors in one radio.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
> 
> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?  
> What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>  
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
>  
> --
> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Ken Hohhof

With Baltic, put the item in your cart and see if the shipping methods include 
pick up at Lisle warehouse.  If not, they are probably drop shipping from a 
distributor or manufacturer.  Who may or may not have stock.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account)
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:48 PM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

 

Baltic's website says they have them in stock...  Of course, one never knows if 
any particular website is actually correct as far as stocking levels.

 

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 5:53 PM, SmarterBroadband mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com> > wrote:

I thought they were due to ship in September?  

I would think testers would be allowed to speak any time soon.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

 

I'm going to HQ next week. I'll try to sneak one out under my shirt. :)

On 9/21/2016 3:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Anyone actually have one in the air?

Comments?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

 

Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >

To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com> >

Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

 

What Medusa system are referring to?  

 

On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in each of 
seven different beams.

To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the 
initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _____  


From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >
To: "af" mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Actually it's more nuanced than that.

Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't added a 
higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did).

What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous 
subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My recollection 
is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today to go look and 
verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.   

So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the same 
channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges this as 
well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path 
characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning what 
customer spread works the best

 

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net> > wrote:

AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts many 
sectors in one radio.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _  


From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Spe

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Baltic's website says they have them in stock...  Of course, one never
knows if any particular website is actually correct as far as stocking
levels.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 5:53 PM, SmarterBroadband <
li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> I thought they were due to ship in September?
>
> I would think testers would be allowed to speak any time soon.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:50 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
>
>
> I'm going to HQ next week. I'll try to sneak one out under my shirt. :)
>
> On 9/21/2016 3:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>
> Anyone actually have one in the air?
>
> Comments?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:45 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
>
>
> Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>
> To: "Animal Farm" 
>
> Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
>
>
> What Medusa system are referring to?
>
>
>
> On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in
> each of seven different beams.
>
> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the
> initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>
> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't added
> a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did).
>
> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous
> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My
> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today
> to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the
> same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges
> this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path
> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning
> what customer spread works the best
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts
> many sectors in one radio.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?
> What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread SmarterBroadband

I thought they were due to ship in September?  

I would think testers would be allowed to speak any time soon.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:50 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

I'm going to HQ next week. I'll try to sneak one out under my shirt. :)

On 9/21/2016 3:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Anyone actually have one in the air?

Comments?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" 

To: "Animal Farm" 

Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

What Medusa system are referring to?  

On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in each of 
seven different beams.

To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the 
initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.

-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 

  _  

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Actually it's more nuanced than that.

Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't added a 
higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did).

What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous 
subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My recollection 
is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today to go look and 
verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.   

So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the same 
channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges this as 
well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path 
characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning what 
customer spread works the best

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts many 
sectors in one radio.

-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 

  _  

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?  What 
PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

-- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

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Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Jason McKemie

This sounds much more likely.

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016, Jeremy  wrote:

> Rise usually offers cancelling customers 300GB of DATA USAGE to stay (up
> from their usual 250GB).  If they are struggling to provide 15Mbps, how can
> they offer them 300Mbps?  According to this page, it is acceptable for
> their 15Mbps plan to run at 2Mbps during peak times. http://risebroadband.
> com/legal/open-internet-statement-and-policy/
>
> I would think this is a case of the customer not understanding the
> difference between speed and data usage.
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> Ah.  Cool name
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2016 12:44 PM, "Adam Moffett" > > wrote:
>>
>>> Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message ------
>>> From: "Jaime Solorza" >> >
>>> To: "Animal Farm" >> >
>>> Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>
>>>
>>> What Medusa system are referring to?
>>>
>>> On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett" >> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in
>>>> each of seven different beams.
>>>>
>>>> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought
>>>> the initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" >>> >
>>>> *To: *"af" 
>>>> >
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>>
>>>> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>>>>
>>>> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't
>>>> added a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that
>>>> they did).
>>>>
>>>> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous
>>>> simultaneous subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.
>>>> My recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy
>>>> today to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>>>>
>>>> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in
>>>> the same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium
>>>> acknowledges this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the
>>>> locations and path characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that
>>>> we'll all be learning what customer spread works the best
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just
>>>>> puts many sectors in one radio.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" >>>> >
>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>>>
>>>>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
>>>>> that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>>> forre...@imach.com 
>>>>  | http://www.packetflux.com
>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread George Skorup


I'm going to HQ next week. I'll try to sneak one out under my shirt. :)

On 9/21/2016 3:46 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


Anyone actually have one in the air?

Comments?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:45 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>>


To: "Animal Farm" mailto:af@afmug.com>>

Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

What Medusa system are referring to?

On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett" mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly
spaced in each of seven different beams.

To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I
thought the initial version was just the 450i tech with the
Mu-MIMO added.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>
*To: *"af" mailto:af@afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Actually it's more nuanced than that.

Your per-subscriber speed will not change. (Assuming they haven't
added a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing
that they did).

What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous
simultaneous subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same
channel.  My recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers',
but I'm too lazy today to go look and verify.  Someone can correct
me if I'm wrong.

So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput
in the same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium
acknowledges this as well - the actual improvement will depend on
the locations and path characteristics of your customers.   I
suspect that we'll all be learning what customer spread works the
best

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector,
just puts many sectors in one radio.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

They are advertising 300 Mbps now. Can the Medusa actually deliver
that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?




-- 


*Forrest Christian*/CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

forre...@imach.com <mailto:forre...@imach.com> |
http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.packetflux.com/>

<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
<http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread SmarterBroadband

Anyone actually have one in the air?

Comments?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.

-- Original Message --

From: "Jaime Solorza" 

To: "Animal Farm" 

Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

What Medusa system are referring to?  

On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in each of 
seven different beams.

To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the 
initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.

-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 

  _  

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Actually it's more nuanced than that.

Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't added a 
higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did).

What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous 
subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My recollection 
is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today to go look and 
verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.   

So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the same 
channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges this as 
well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path 
characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning what 
customer spread works the best

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts many 
sectors in one radio.

-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 

  _  

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?  What 
PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

-- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

 <mailto:forre...@imach.com> forre...@imach.com |  <http://www.packetflux.com/> 
http://www.packetflux.com

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Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

Back when God was a child, we worked with some Mexican banks installing
some 902-928MHz systems which used 6 antennas on base station and CPEs...
It was a Canadian outfit and they used FHSS... '93/94?  We just mounted
them on towers and wired them up. The two cables per unit used military
type connectors.   I think company was WLAN... Not WiLAN It was for ATM
systems.

On Sep 21, 2016 1:24 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Ah.  Cool name
>
> On Sep 21, 2016 12:44 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>
>>
>> What Medusa system are referring to?
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in
>>> each of seven different beams.
>>>
>>> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought
>>> the initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>
>>> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>>>
>>> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't
>>> added a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that
>>> they did).
>>>
>>> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous
>>> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My
>>> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today
>>> to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>>>
>>> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the
>>> same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges
>>> this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path
>>> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning
>>> what customer spread works the best
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just
>>>> puts many sectors in one radio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>>
>>>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
>>>> that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Jeremy

Rise usually offers cancelling customers 300GB of DATA USAGE to stay (up
from their usual 250GB).  If they are struggling to provide 15Mbps, how can
they offer them 300Mbps?  According to this page, it is acceptable for
their 15Mbps plan to run at 2Mbps during peak times.
http://risebroadband.com/legal/open-internet-statement-and-policy/

I would think this is a case of the customer not understanding the
difference between speed and data usage.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Ah.  Cool name
>
> On Sep 21, 2016 12:44 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>
>> Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>
>>
>> What Medusa system are referring to?
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in
>>> each of seven different beams.
>>>
>>> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought
>>> the initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>
>>> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>>>
>>> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't
>>> added a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that
>>> they did).
>>>
>>> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous
>>> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My
>>> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today
>>> to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>>>
>>> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the
>>> same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges
>>> this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path
>>> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning
>>> what customer spread works the best
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just
>>>> puts many sectors in one radio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>>
>>>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
>>>> that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

Ah.  Cool name

On Sep 21, 2016 12:44 PM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:

> Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
>
> What Medusa system are referring to?
>
> On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in
>> each of seven different beams.
>>
>> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought
>> the initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>
>> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>>
>> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't
>> added a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that
>> they did).
>>
>> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous
>> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My
>> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today
>> to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the
>> same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges
>> this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path
>> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning
>> what customer spread works the best
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts
>>> many sectors in one radio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>
>>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
>>> that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Mike Hammett

Right. I just worded it poorly. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 2:17:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds 


But, the beams are steerable. So, they don't have to be 'spread' in the same 
way you'd think if you had 7 sectors My understanding is that it more has 
to do with being able to generate enough phase difference to be able to discern 
the two different SM's. 


On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in each of 
seven different beams. 

To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the 
initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < li...@packetflux.com > 
To: "af" < af@afmug.com > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds 





Actually it's more nuanced than that. 

Your per-subscriber speed will not change. (Assuming they haven't added a 
higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did). 

What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous 
subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel. My recollection 
is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today to go look and 
verify. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. 

So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the same 
channel width. Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges this as well 
- the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path characteristics 
of your customers. I suspect that we'll all be learning what customer spread 
works the best 



On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 






AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts many 
sectors in one radio. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds 




They are advertising 300 Mbps now. Can the Medusa actually deliver that? What 
PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that? 





-- 





Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. 

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com 










-- 





Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. 

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

But, the beams are steerable.   So, they don't have to be 'spread' in the
same way you'd think if you had 7 sectors   My understanding is that it
more has to do with being able to generate enough phase difference to be
able to discern the two different SM's.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in
> each of seven different beams.
>
> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the
> initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ------
> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>
> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't added
> a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did).
>
> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous
> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My
> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today
> to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the
> same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges
> this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path
> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning
> what customer spread works the best
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts
>> many sectors in one radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>
>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
>> that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
<http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
<http://twitter.com/@packetflux>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Tyson @ Internet Communications Inc (ICI)

Lab and real world are two different things.  I would love to meet a wisp 
getting full throughput out of a 450 AP right now.  You would need perfect 
customer connections.  

Tyson Burris, President 
Internet Communications Inc. 
739 Commerce Dr. 
Franklin, IN 46131 
  
317-738-0320 Daytime # 
317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # 
Online: www.surfici.net
 
Forgive the brevity, the typos and my fat fingers!

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 2:53 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> cambium 450m
> 
> http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/access/pmp-450m/
> 
> -sean
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Jaime Solorza  
>> wrote:
>> What Medusa system are referring to? 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in each 
>>> of seven different beams.
>>> 
>>> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the 
>>> initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>>> To: "af" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>> 
>>> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>>> 
>>> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't added 
>>> a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did).
>>> 
>>> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous 
>>> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My 
>>> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today 
>>> to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.   
>>> 
>>> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the 
>>> same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges 
>>> this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path 
>>> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning 
>>> what customer spread works the best
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts 
>>>> many sectors in one radio.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>> 
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>>> 
>>>> The Brothers WISP
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>> 
>>>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver  that? 
>>>>  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>>   
>>> 
>>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

I know they are branching out to LTE.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:56 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

interesting, 300M not posible on any 450 platform.  Could be posible with LTE 
Advance and Carrier Aggregation but you need huge chunks of Spectrum for it ( 
aprox 60 mhz) So maybe its LTE-U? 

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

  cambium 450m 

  http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/access/pmp-450m/

  -sean

  On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

What Medusa system are referring to?  

On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

  Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in 
each of seven different beams.

  To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought 
the initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

  Actually it's more nuanced than that.

  Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't 
added a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they 
did).

  What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous 
subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My recollection 
is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today to go look and 
verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.   

  So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the 
same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges this 
as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path 
characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning what 
customer spread works the best

  On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just 
puts many sectors in one radio.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver 
that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

  -- 

Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Gino Villarini

interesting, 300M not posible on any 450 platform.  Could be posible with
LTE Advance and Carrier Aggregation but you need huge chunks of Spectrum
for it ( aprox 60 mhz) So maybe its LTE-U?

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:

> cambium 450m
>
> http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/access/pmp-450m/
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> What Medusa system are referring to?
>>
>> On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>>
>>> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in
>>> each of seven different beams.
>>>
>>> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought
>>> the initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>
>>> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>>>
>>> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't
>>> added a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that
>>> they did).
>>>
>>> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous
>>> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My
>>> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today
>>> to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>>>
>>> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the
>>> same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges
>>> this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path
>>> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning
>>> what customer spread works the best
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just
>>>> puts many sectors in one radio.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
>>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>>
>>>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
>>>> that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Sean Heskett

cambium 450m

http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/access/pmp-450m/

-sean


On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:39 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> What Medusa system are referring to?
>
> On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in
>> each of seven different beams.
>>
>> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought
>> the initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>
>> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>>
>> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't
>> added a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that
>> they did).
>>
>> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous
>> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My
>> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today
>> to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the
>> same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges
>> this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path
>> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning
>> what customer spread works the best
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts
>>> many sectors in one radio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>
>>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
>>> that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

Residential.  One of their customers switched to our fiber.  Rise offered them 
300 Mbps for the same price to stay.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Are they advertising that speed for residential? Or is it just a generic up to 
speed?

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?  
What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Adam Moffett

Cambium's 14 chain MU-MIMO thingamabobber.

-- Original Message --
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Sent: 9/21/2016 2:39:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

What Medusa system are referring to?

On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in 
each of seven different beams.

To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought 
the initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Actually it's more nuanced than that.

Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't 
added a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing 
that they did).

What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous 
simultaneous subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same 
channel.  My recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but 
I'm too lazy today to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if 
I'm wrong.

So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in 
the same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium 
acknowledges this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the 
locations and path characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that 
we'll all be learning what customer spread works the best

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  
wrote:
AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just 
puts many sectors in one radio.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver 
that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Josh Luthman

It's a new 450i AP essentially.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> What Medusa system are referring to?
>
> On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in
>> each of seven different beams.
>>
>> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought
>> the initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>
>> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>>
>> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't
>> added a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that
>> they did).
>>
>> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous
>> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My
>> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today
>> to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the
>> same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges
>> this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path
>> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning
>> what customer spread works the best
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>>> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts
>>> many sectors in one radio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>>
>>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
>>> that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>
>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux>  <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Jason McKemie

Are they advertising that speed for residential? Or is it just a generic up
to speed?

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?
> What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Jaime Solorza

What Medusa system are referring to?

On Sep 21, 2016 12:30 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Right, up to 7x increase in throughput, but only if properly spaced in
> each of seven different beams.
>
> To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the
> initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> ----------
> *From: *"Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
> Actually it's more nuanced than that.
>
> Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't added
> a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did).
>
> What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous
> subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My
> recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today
> to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the
> same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges
> this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path
> characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning
> what customer spread works the best
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts
>> many sectors in one radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>>
>> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
>> that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian>  <http://facebook.com/packetflux>
>   <http://twitter.com/@packetflux>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Mike Hammett

Right, up to 7x increase in throughput , but only if properly spaced in each of 
seven different beams. 

To Jeff's point, I know they were planning on increases, but I thought the 
initial version was just the 450i tech with the Mu-MIMO added. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:28:34 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds 





Actually it's more nuanced than that. 

Your per-subscriber speed will not change. (Assuming they haven't added a 
higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did). 

What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous 
subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel. My recollection 
is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today to go look and 
verify. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong. 

So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the same 
channel width. Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges this as well 
- the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path characteristics 
of your customers. I suspect that we'll all be learning what customer spread 
works the best 



On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts many 
sectors in one radio. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds 




They are advertising 300 Mbps now. Can the Medusa actually deliver that? What 
PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that? 





-- 





Forrest Christian CEO , PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. 

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)

Actually it's more nuanced than that.

Your per-subscriber speed will not change.(Assuming they haven't added
a higher-order modulation here, but I don't remember hearing that they did).

What *is* happening is that the Medusa will permit numerous simultaneous
subscriber streams at the same time, and on the same channel.  My
recollection is 'up to 7 simultaneous subscribers', but I'm too lazy today
to go look and verify.  Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

So, assuming everything is perfect, you can get 7x the throughput in the
same channel width.   Reality is never perfect, and Cambium acknowledges
this as well - the actual improvement will depend on the locations and path
characteristics of your customers.   I suspect that we'll all be learning
what customer spread works the best

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:46 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts
> many sectors in one radio.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
>
> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?
> What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>
>

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Bill Prince

I think it's all in a 20 MHz channel, but pretty sure it can do at least 
a couple different channel sizes.



bp


On 9/21/2016 10:54 AM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


But what channel size?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeff Broadwick 
- Lists

*Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:49 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

IIRC, it's about twice as fast as the 450i...400Mbps aggregate, with a 
path to Gig.


Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com <mailto:jbroadw...@converge-tech.com>


On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Mike Hammett <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector,
just puts many sectors in one radio.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>

<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>



*From: *"Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually
deliver that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread SmarterBroadband

But what channel size?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

 

IIRC, it's about twice as fast as the 450i...400Mbps aggregate, with a path to 
Gig.

Jeff Broadwick

ConVergence Technologies, Inc.

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@converge-tech.com


On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts many 
sectors in one radio.



-
Mike Hammett
 <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions
 <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>  
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>  
<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> 
 <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange
 <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>  
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>  
<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> 
 <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP
 <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>  
<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> 





  _  


From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?  What 
PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

IIRC, it's about twice as fast as the 450i...400Mbps aggregate, with a path to 
Gig.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 21, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts many 
> sectors in one radio.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds
> 
> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?  
> What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Trey Scarborough



Yeah ZTE did a big write up about their deployment with Rise.

On 9/21/2016 12:45 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Hmmm,  yes, the LTE.  Had not thought about that.  I wonder if it
actually does the trick.

-Original Message- From: Trey Scarborough
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

On 9/21/2016 12:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?



They do have fiber in some areas now...

As well I believe Rory has success with some deployments of Mimosa close
to those speeds. Some LTE devices "should" be capable of it as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Mike Hammett

AFAIK, Medusa doesn't increase the capacity of any one sector, just puts many 
sectors in one radio. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 12:35:10 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds 




They are advertising 300 Mbps now. Can the Medusa actually deliver that? What 
PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Chuck McCown

Hmmm,  yes, the LTE.  Had not thought about that.  I wonder if it actually 
does the trick.

-Original Message- 
From: Trey Scarborough

Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2016 11:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

On 9/21/2016 12:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?

They do have fiber in some areas now...

As well I believe Rory has success with some deployments of Mimosa close
to those speeds. Some LTE devices "should" be capable of it as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread Trey Scarborough


On 9/21/2016 12:35 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver
that?  What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?



They do have fiber in some areas now...

As well I believe Rory has success with some deployments of Mimosa close 
to those speeds. Some LTE devices "should" be capable of it as well.

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

2016-09-21 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm

they put up a couple ubnt rocket backhauls at a colo site with us, i doubt
thats going to pan out here

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 12:35 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> They are advertising 300 Mbps now.  Can the Medusa actually deliver that?
> What PMP APs and SMs can honestly deliver that?
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

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Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

Re: [AFMUG] Rise Broadband Speeds

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