Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
Fermi's Paradox ... Once upon a time, a 10 year old child became addicted to Super Mario Land. He played so much that he forgot that he was a child among millions of other children and kept asking himself "Where are all the other Marios? There must be many more Marios? I will call this Fermi's

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Giacomo Spigler via AGI
I stopped reading at "your consciousness is capable of communicating with gazillions of other entities from outside this physical realm/plane anytime." G On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:51 AM, just camel via AGI wrote: > > Fermi's Paradox ... > > Once upon a time, a 10 year old child became

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
Look, I'm trying to follow the train of thought here with regards AGI. It would be significant to AGI architecture if the contention was made that first, existed consciousness, and then matter. It would probably invert the life-cycle approaches we tend to follow in software development. But all

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Giacomo Spigler via AGI
And you are the only one to know the truth because...? On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 5:08 PM, just camel via AGI wrote: > So what really prevents us from discovering and interacting with "aliens" > (or rather individuated forms of consciousness) isn't a lack of technology > but a lack of mastery of

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
In a nutshell: Consciousness came up with virtual 3D worlds as a way to enhance evolution of consciousness. Not-so-evolved consciousness follows and identifies with avatars (human beings) in order to learn fundamental lessons. (Just like children do when they play computer games.) By using human

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
So what really prevents us from discovering and interacting with "aliens" (or rather individuated forms of consciousness) isn't a lack of technology but a lack of mastery of ourselves. The singular gateway to the entire universe is "inside" of us and not external. Once you operate outside of

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Alan Grimes
just camel via AGI wrote: > > There are literally thousands of enlightened beings who will tell you > the same thing using different (maybe less technical) words. So what? That just means that there are thousands of people with a neurological abnormality that causes them to have a weak sense of

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
Alan Given your prednet example; In a 2-layer network, if the camera recording the R0 update frame was turned away for the update, the prediction made prior to the frame update would obviously be incorrect. Would the machine know - without referring to benchmarked footage - that the

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
Alan, with regards your absolute view on consciousness, I give you Solipsism as an alternative to your razor. Still, I appreciate you including the concept as relevant to DL-based AI. Rob From: Matt Mahoney via AGI Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2018 7:58 PM To: AGI

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread just camel via AGI
See, even not so narrow minded people from this very list understand that consciousness is non-local and more fundamental than body and brain ... http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/2015/03/paranormal-phenomena-nonlocal-mind-and.html Or Tom's book starting at page 113 ...

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI
In a nutshell, are we saying that - first, there was consciousness? From: just camel via AGI Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2018 2:48 PM To: agi@agi.topicbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox See, even not so narrow minded

Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox

2018-07-11 Thread MP via AGI
Alan, what is it about prednet that makes you think it’s conscious? What signs is it showing? What’s it doing that makes you think this? From what I see, it’s something that predicts the next video frame from the one it has been presented. There’s an NN for representation but... that’s it.