Look, I'm trying to follow the train of thought here with regards AGI. It would be significant to AGI architecture if the contention was made that first, existed consciousness, and then matter. It would probably invert the life-cycle approaches we tend to follow in software development. But all this informational noise is clouding the issue. If it's not scientifically proven, no one can be right, or wrong. As for consciousness, in the absence of a working architecture, most of it is conjecture, and thus unprovable. However, there should be no question that it slots into the top-5 AI questions.
Rob ________________________________ From: just camel via AGI <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2018 4:10 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox In a nutshell: Consciousness came up with virtual 3D worlds as a way to enhance evolution of consciousness. Not-so-evolved consciousness follows and identifies with avatars (human beings) in order to learn fundamental lessons. (Just like children do when they play computer games.) By using human avatars in a 3D world individuated consciousness can mature and converge towards low entropic states of love, compassion, non-attachment and understanding. As consciousness evolves it becomes de-attached from the human experience (what we call ego-loss, liberation or spiritual enlightenment) and ultimately moves on to operate in non-physical realms (nirvana, kingdom of heaven, great spirit ... or other contemporary analogies and metaphors). This process is very fundamental. We need to undergo this process mainly for two reasons: a) In order so we don't wreck havoc in thought-responsive environments (Imagine you take some LSD-like substance and suddenly everything you think becomes reality and there is no way to stop that experience - an untrained consciousness would go insane within such a thought-responsive non-physical environment.) This physical reality serves as some sort of chaos/entropy-sink - it limits the damage our collective and individuals insanity can cause to a limited portion of virtual spacetime - and b) so we can actually operate in non-physical realms without identifying with random entities. (Imagine you own a company that runs large scale simulations and all your employees keep identifying with random entities within the simulation ... basically rendering them incapable of operating within the actual superset of said simulation.) We are living within a playground for consciousness. We are capable of sending cars into space but we completely forgot about all the core teachings of all the liberated masters who told us to become aware of our true nature and to transcend the illusion of being a human in order to be able to continue our evolutionary journey beyond the limited planes of this virtual physical reality. Fermi's Paradox is irrelevant once you put this tiny virtual training ground into perspective. "The vast distances that separate the stars are providential. Beings and worlds are quarantined from one another. The quarantine is lifted only for those with sufficient self-knowledge and judgment to have safely traveled from star to star." -- Carl Sagan Carl Sagan almost had it right ... what quarantines us from one another aren't virtual and irrelevant distances within a virtual environment but ignorance of the true nature of consciousness ... thus preventing us from taking the singular exit and shifting our attention out of this tiny, tiny virtual physical reality. At the aforementioned LAN-Party you will find plenty of people once your focus shifts from World of Warcraft towards your more fundamentally real environment. https://books.google.at/books?id=RYHtBPiZVgsC&lpg=PA1&pg=PA113#v=onepage&q&f=false On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 3:30 PM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies via AGI <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: In a nutshell, are we saying that - first, there was consciousness? Artificial General Intelligence List<https://agi.topicbox.com/latest> / AGI / see discussions<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + participants<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery options<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups> Permalink<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T81817474dba9a838-M4a1ccfad0921f0d063fff929> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T81817474dba9a838-M2458b928eb048dc50c694e2e Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups
