In a nutshell, are we saying that - first, there was consciousness? ________________________________ From: just camel via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com> Sent: Wednesday, 11 July 2018 2:48 PM To: agi@agi.topicbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] New Paper - Temporal Singularity and the Fermi Paradox
See, even not so narrow minded people from this very list understand that consciousness is non-local and more fundamental than body and brain ... http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/2015/03/paranormal-phenomena-nonlocal-mind-and.html Or Tom's book starting at page 113 ... https://books.google.at/books?id=RYHtBPiZVgsC&lpg=PA1&pg=PA113#v=onepage&q&f=false "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness." -- Max Planck It's what Hindus, Buddhists, Sufis, native Indians, Shamans, etc. have been telling us for ages ... and Fermi's Paradox is a symptom of being ignorant to the fundamental nature of this physical reality. ... I stopped reading at "So you are saying I can stop playing Super Mario Land and navigate in the super-set of Super Mario Land?" On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 12:14 PM Giacomo Spigler via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com<mailto:agi@agi.topicbox.com>> wrote: I stopped reading at "your consciousness is capable of communicating with gazillions of other entities from outside this physical realm/plane anytime." G On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:51 AM, just camel via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com<mailto:agi@agi.topicbox.com>> wrote: Fermi's Paradox ... Once upon a time, a 10 year old child became addicted to Super Mario Land. He played so much that he forgot that he was a child among millions of other children and kept asking himself "Where are all the other Marios? There must be many more Marios? I will call this Fermi's Paradox!" Already today thousands of advanced meditators will tell you that Fermi's Paradox is only a paradox as long as you don't realize that your consciousness is focusing on one particular and very narrow experience (called a human being) when your consciousness is capable of communicating with gazillions of other entities from outside this physical realm/plane anytime. When you attend a LAN-Party and play World of Warcraft and only find 5 of the 5000 LAN-Party participants in the game then clearly you realize that you are looking in the wrong spot and you shift your attention "outwards" and out of a subset of reality into a broader set of reality. An advanced civilization will probably cease to use manifested avatars on the physical plane once it has overcome the tendency to identify with narrow experiences. Just as children tend to overcome the tendency to identify with a narrow experience in the form of a computer game. The answer to Fermi's paradox lies in the words of Buddha, Jesus and all the other liberated/enlightened beings ... it lies in the realization that our physical reality is just an illusion within the field of consciousness ... it's a mix of John Smarts "transcension hypothesis" and in some sense Bostrom's work ... in so far that our perceived physical virtual reality is just a very tiny subset of a much larger reality. Physical death as well as spiritual enlightenment are singular processes decoupling your consciousness from one particular experience (from identifying with one human being) and they will introduce you to said much broader reality in which there exists no Fermi's paradox. On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 2:50 PM Giacomo Spigler via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com<mailto:agi@agi.topicbox.com>> wrote: Artificial General Intelligence List<https://agi.topicbox.com/latest> / AGI / see discussions<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + participants<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery options<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups> Permalink<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T81817474dba9a838-M10bd175212c66624852606eb> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T81817474dba9a838-M05b2898c6b56b205b0705c9f Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups
