On Saturday, September 28, 2019, at 4:59 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote:
> Nodes have been dying ever since they were given life. But the mass is STILL
> here. Persistence is futile. We will leave Earth and avoid the sun.
You right. It is a sad state of affairs with the environment...the
You can hear the ratchet's hypertrophy screeching.
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Nodes have been dying ever since they were given life. But the mass is STILL
here. Persistence is futile. We will leave Earth and avoid the sun.
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Persist as what?
Unpersist the sun rising, break the 99.99... % probability that it rises
tomorrow. What happens? We burn.
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Well, we duplicate and build all our technology just to persist. So all you
need is a intelligence that finds ways efficiently.
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On Friday, September 27, 2019, at 1:44 PM, immortal.discoveries wrote:
> Describing intelligence is easier when ignore the low level molecules.
What if it loops?
I remember reading a book as a kid where a scientist invented a new powerful
microscope, looked into it, and saw himself looking
Describing intelligence is easier when ignore the low level molecules. What if
we ignore the brain and focus on the hive? May lead to what Open AI did with
the Hide & Seek bots.
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On Friday, September 27, 2019, at 10:57 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote:
> We could say our molecules make the decision korrelan :)
And the microbiome bacteria, etc., transmitting through the gut-brain axis
could have massive more complexity than the brain.
"The gut-brain axis, a bidirectional
On Friday, September 27, 2019, at 8:59 AM, korrelan wrote:
> If the sensory
streams from your sensory organs were disconnected what would your
experience of reality be? No sight,
sound, tactile or sensory input of any description, how would you play a part/
interact with this wider network you
On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, at 3:34 PM, korrelan wrote:
> Reading back up the thread I do seem rather stern or harsh in my opinions, if
> I came across this way I apologise.
I didn't think that of you we shouldn't be overly sensitive and afraid to
offend. There is no right to not be
On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, at 2:05 PM, korrelan wrote:
> The realisation/ understanding that the human brain is
closed system, to me… is a first order/ obvious/ primary concept when designing
an AGI
or in my case a neuromorphic brain simulation.
A human brain is merely an instance node on
Reading back up the thread I do seem rather stern or harsh in my opinions, if I
came across this way I apologise.
Believe it or not I'm quite an amicable chap, I just lack/ forget the social
graces on occasion.
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The realisation/ understanding that the human brain is
closed system, to me… is a first order/ obvious/ primary concept when designing
an AGI
or in my case a neuromorphic brain simulation.
> Your model
looks like it has a complexity barrier.
On the contrary,
I’m negating a complexity barrier by
On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, at 7:36 AM, korrelan wrote:
"the brain is presented with external patterns"
"When you talk to someone"
"Take this post as an example; I’m trying to explain a concept"
"Does any of the actual visual information you gather"
These phrases above, re-read them, are
>How does
ANY brain acting as a pattern reservoir get filled?
No one fills/
places/ forces/ feeds/ writes information directly into a brain, the brain is
presented with external patterns that represent information/ learning by other
brains that triggers a similar scenario in the receiver’s
On Tuesday, September 24, 2019, at 7:07 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote:
> The brain is a closed system when viewing others
Uhm... a "closed system" that views. Not closed then?
John
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We are machines, your home is a machine. The brain is a closed system when
viewing others, but your not "you", its all machinery actually. There may be
some magical consciousness but it has nothing to do with the physics really.
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On Monday, September 23, 2019, at 7:43 AM, korrelan wrote:
> From the reference/ perspective point of a single
intelligence/ brain there are no other brains; we are each a closed system and a
different version of you, exists in every other brain.
How does ANY brain acting as a pattern reservoir
>From the reference/ perspective point of a single
intelligence/ brain there are no other brains; we are each a closed system and a
different version of you, exists in every other brain.
We don’t receive any information from other brains; we receive
patterns that our own brain interprets based
On Sunday, September 22, 2019, at 6:48 PM, rouncer81 wrote:
> actually no! it is the power of time. doing it over time steps is an
> exponent worse.
Are you thinking along the lines of Konrad Zuse's Rechnender Raum? I just had
to go read some again after you mentioned this :)
John
On Sunday, September 22, 2019, at 8:42 AM, korrelan wrote:
> Our consciousness is like… just the surface froth, reading
between the lines, or the summation of interacting logical pattern recognition
processes.
That's a very good clear single brain description of it. Thanks for that.
I don't
Yeh thats what im talking about thanks, all permutations of space and time and
im getting a bit confused...
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The butterfly effect is like a tree, there is more and more paths as time goes
on. In that sense, time is the amount of steps. Time powers Search Space.
Time=Search Space/Tree. So even if you have a static tree, it is really time,
frozen. Unlike real life, you can go forward/backward wherever
actually no! it is the power of time. doing it over time steps is an
exponent worse.
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oops, that thing about time not being the 4th dimension in a way, was wrong.
and im just being confusing on purpose, sorry about that.
2^(x*y*z*time) -is all permutations of the 3d space (blipping on and off)
over that many time steps... actually im not sure if im right or wrong abotu it.
> Or network on top of network on top of network... turtles.
Close... though more... networks within networks...
Consciousness seems so elusive because it is not an
‘intended’ product of the connectome directly recognising sensory patterns,
consciousness is an extra layer. The interacting
On Saturday, September 21, 2019, at 7:24 PM, rouncer81 wrote:
> Time is not the 4th dimension, time is actually powering space.
> (x*y*z)^time.
And what's the layer on top of (x*y*z)^time that allows for intelligent
interaction and efficiency to be expressed and executed in this physical
Agreed with everyone here on this subject. yes simulation - what have I got
to say?
Time is not the 4th dimension, time is actually powering space. (x*y*z)^time.
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On Saturday, September 21, 2019, at 11:01 AM, Stefan Reich wrote:
> Interesting thought. In all fairness, we can just not really interact with a
> number which doesn't have a finite description. As soon as we do, we pull it
> into our finiteness and it stops being infinite.
IMO there are only
> It is like saying that the vast majority of real numbers don't have a
finite length description. I can't give you an example of one of those
either.
Interesting thought. In all fairness, we can just not really interact with
a number which doesn't have a finite description. As soon as we do, we
These aren't the only 4 possible simulation scenarios. There are probably
others we cannot imagine because the simulation doesn't allow us to.
And no, I can't give you an example for that reason. It is like saying that
the vast majority of real numbers don't have a finite length description. I
When I dream, I can see anything, I was in a huge desert full of buildings, no
end in sight, creatures walking up a grass oompa-loompa land. Sometimes I have
a new body and even can feel tentacles around a sewer wall while in my new body
not even touching that wall (I have a skin around the
All four are partially correct.
It is a simulation. And you're it. When you die your own private Idaho ends
*poof*.
This can all be modeled within the framework of conscioIntelligence, CI = UCP +
OR.
When you are that tabula rasa simuloid in your mother's womb you begin to
occupy a
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On 2019-09-02 16:39:PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
> Here are at least 4 possibilities, lis
On 2019-09-02 16:39:PM, Matt Mahoney wrote:
Here are at least 4 possibilities, listed in decreasing order of
complexity, and therefore increasing likelihood if Occam's Razor holds
outside the simulation.
1. Only your brain exists. All of your sensory inputs are simulated by
a model of a
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