Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Pei Wang
e roughly as good as the $46.92 one, and, if not, are you > > allowed to send me a copy of the better one for free? > > > > > > Edward W. Porter > > > Porter & Associates > > > 24 String Bridge S12 > > > Exeter, NH 03833 > > > (617) 494-1722 > >

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset Edward You talk about the Cohen article I quoted as perhaps leading to a major > paradigm shift, but actually much of its central thrust is similar to > idea’s that have been around for decades. Cohen’s gists are >

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset Let me answer with an anecdote. I was just in the shop playing with some small robot motors and I needed a punch to remove a pin holding a gearbox onto one of them. I didn't have a purpose-made punch, so I cast around in the tool

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
Let me answer with an anecdote. I was just in the shop playing with some small robot motors and I needed a punch to remove a pin holding a gearbox onto one of them. I didn't have a purpose-made punch, so I cast around in the toolbox until Aha! an object close enough to use. (It was a small ratta

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On 10/4/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 04 October 2007 11:52:01 am, Vladimir Nesov wrote: > > Analogy-making can be reformulated as other problems, so even if it's > > not named this way it's still associated with many approaches to > > learning. Recalling relevant

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Mike Tintner
Edward You talk about the Cohen article I quoted as perhaps leading to a major paradigm shift, but actually much of its central thrust is similar to idea’s that have been around for decades. Cohen’s gists are surprisingly similar to the scripts Schank was talking about circa 1980. Josh: And

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Pei Wang
> -Original Message----- > From: Pei Wang [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:13 PM > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset > > > On 10/4/07, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread mike ramsey
gt; -Original Message- > From: Pei Wang [*mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:13 PM > To: agi@v2.listbox.com > Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset > > On 10/4/07, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
ber 04, 2007 3:13 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset On 10/4/07, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Josh, > > (Talking of "breaking the small hardware mindset," thank god for the > company with the

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Pei Wang
ains. > > Edward W. Porter > Porter & Associates > 24 String Bridge S12 > Exeter, NH 03833 > (617) 494-1722 > Fax (617) 494-1822 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > -Original Message- > From: J Storrs Hall, PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thur

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset On Thursday 04 October 2007 10:56:59 am, Edward W. Porter wrote: > You appear to know more on the subject of current analogy drawing > research than me. So could you please explain to me what are the major > current problems people

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Thursday 04 October 2007 01:57:22 pm, Edward W. Porter wrote: > You talk about the Cohen article I quoted as perhaps leading to a major > paradigm shift, but actually much of its central thrust is similar to > idea’s that have been around for decades. Cohen’s gists are surprisingly > similar t

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
ter Porter & Associates 24 String Bridge S12 Exeter, NH 03833 (617) 494-1722 Fax (617) 494-1822 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 12:33 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mi

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Thursday 04 October 2007 10:56:59 am, Edward W. Porter wrote: > You appear to know more on the subject of current analogy drawing research > than me. So could you please explain to me what are the major current > problems people are having in trying figure out how to draw analogies > using a str

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Thursday 04 October 2007 11:52:01 am, Vladimir Nesov wrote: > Analogy-making can be reformulated as other problems, so even if it's > not named this way it's still associated with many approaches to > learning. Recalling relevant knowledge is about the same thing as > analogy-making, and in life

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Mike Tintner
Edward P: II skimmed “LGIST: Learning Generalized Image Schemas for Transfer Thrust D Architecture Report”, by Carole Beal and Paul Cohen at the USC Information Sciences Institute. It was one of the PDFs listed on the web link you sent me (at http://eksl.isi.edu/files/papers/cohen_2006_1160084

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Vladimir Nesov
On 10/4/07, J Storrs Hall, PhD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Research in analogy-making is slow -- I can only think of Gentner and > Hofstadter and their groups as major movers. We don't have a solid theory of > analogy yet (structure-mapping to the contrary notwithstanding). It's clearly > central,

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Thursday 04 October 2007 10:42:46 am, Mike Tintner wrote: > ... I find > no general sense of the need for a major paradigm shift. It should be > obvious that a successful AGI will transform and revolutionize existing > computational paradigms ... I find it difficult to imagine a developmen

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Edward W. Porter
er Porter & Associates 24 String Bridge S12 Exeter, NH 03833 (617) 494-1722 Fax (617) 494-1822 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: J Storrs Hall, PhD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:57 AM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardw

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread JW Johnston
Mike Tintner wrote: >My impression is everyone's clinging to >existing paradigms, even though they obviously don't work for AGI as opposed >to AI. By all means disabuse me and point to someone contemplating such a >shift. > You just pointed us to one (!): Paul Cohen (see http://www.isi.edu/~

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread Mike Tintner
Josh: One main reason I support the development of AGI as a serious subfield is not that I think any specific approach here is likely to work (even mine), but that there is a willingness to experiment and a tolerance for new and odd-sounding ideas that spells a renaissance of science in AI. Well

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-04 Thread J Storrs Hall, PhD
On Wednesday 03 October 2007 09:37:58 pm, Mike Tintner wrote: > I disagree also re how much has been done. I don't think AGI - correct me - has solved a single creative problem - e.g. creativity - unprogrammed adaptivity - drawing analogies - visual object recognition - NLP - concepts - creat

RE: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-03 Thread Edward W. Porter
g Bridge S12 Exeter, NH 03833 (617) 494-1722 Fax (617) 494-1822 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:38 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com Subject: Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset Edward:The bigges

Re: [agi] breaking the small hardware mindset

2007-10-03 Thread Mike Tintner
MessageEdward:The biggest brick wall is the small-hardware mindset that has been absolutely necessary for decades to get anything actually accomplished on the hardware of the day Completely disagree. It's that purely numerical mindset about small/big hardware that I see as so widespread and tha