Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-15 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
> > The eliminated player has no obvious use for the granted bang, as it > will be destroyed before they next become alive. Is this intended to > give em something to trade with? > I believe so too, and I think that it's a good design because it gives (dead) players something to keep playing the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-14 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-05-14 at 06:55 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > A ghostly player CAN incarnate by announcement, which means > to flip eir Vitality to Invulnerable, provided there are only > Invulnerable or Ghostly players. [snip] > When the match is reset, each player is set to

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-14 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I like it. " A ghostly player CAN incarnate by announcement, which means to flip eir Vitality to Invulnerable" I'd remove "means" from there and just use phrasing that already exists in other rules, because I have the suspicion that it's very dangerous (or at least, prone to bugs) to redefine

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Overpowered Deputizations

2024-04-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 9:08 PM Jaff via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I will point out that there are multiple ways to take actions of an office > without holding it which this wouldn't cover, such as delegation. I think a > safer fix would be preventing a player

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Overpowered Deputizations

2024-04-21 Thread Jaff via agora-discussion
I will point out that there are multiple ways to take actions of an office without holding it which this wouldn't cover, such as delegation. I think a safer fix would be preventing a player who holds an office from taking actions corresponding to another office such that holding both would make

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Spendor definition

2024-04-10 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/10/24 10:06, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > The Officeholder of Spendor is hereby flipped to nix. > > } For bystander context, I consented to this. -- nix Arbitor

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
Huh. You cannot officially require the referee to investigate a non-player via noting. On Mon, Mar 25, 2024, 12:14 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I create the following proposal: > > --- > Title: yes, yes, I got the memo > Author: Gaelan > AI: 1.7 >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:53 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I suggest "un-noted" to prevent all instances of noting 1 infraction > multiple times. That doesn’t fix the original issue, as an infraction can be investigated without being noted. And I don’t really think

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >> Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { >> A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction >> committed by any other

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 3:07 PM Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > > Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { > > A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { > A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction > committed by any other player in the last 14 days, specifying the > incident and the rule it violates (or name of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 24/03/2024 12:44, Gaealn Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mar 24, 2024, at 12:21 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation, but does mean that if >> there are any documents the Archivist deems worthy of archival (even >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 24, 2024, at 12:21 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 24/03/2024 09:16, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:> * > Optionally, any other documents the Archivist deems worthy >> of archival. > > hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 24/03/2024 09:16, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:> * Optionally, any other documents the Archivist deems worthy > of archival. hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation, but does mean that if there are any documents the Archivist deems worthy of archival (even non-Agoran

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] FUNgibility

2024-03-17 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/17/24 15:08, nix via agora-business wrote: > [Right now, sentences like "Blank are an asset ownable by..." is > interpreted to adding to a default within R2576. This seems unintuitive. > This proposal makes that default only apply if there's no mention of > ownership.] That doesn't belong

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Vacations

2024-01-28 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 2:10 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 1/28/24 14:04, nix via agora-business wrote: > > A player CAN flip the Delegate switch of a specified office to > > emself with Agoran Consent. If the Delegate switch of an office is >

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Vacations

2024-01-28 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 1/28/24 14:04, nix via agora-business wrote: >     A player CAN flip the Delegate switch of a specified office to >     emself with Agoran Consent. If the Delegate switch of an office is >     set to "None", the holder of that office CAN flip the Delegate >     switch of that office to a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Registration restrictions

2024-01-04 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/5/24 01:42, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 2024-01-05 at 01:40 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> * Inserting the following paragraph after the paragraph: >> >> { >> >> The basis of a person is the set of all persons that are (recursively) >> part of em, in addition

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Registration restrictions

2024-01-04 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2024-01-05 at 01:40 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > * Inserting the following paragraph after the paragraph: > > { > > The basis of a person is the set of all persons that are (recursively) > part of em, in addition to emself. Rules to the contrary > notwithstanding, a

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Long forgotten fix

2023-11-19 Thread Goren Barak via agora-discussion
On 2023-11-19 19:11, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: > oh wait. Maybe this did work. This proposal IS up for vote. Lol! > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 4:09 PM 4st nomic <4st.no...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That's lovely! Unfortunately, due to the arcane beaurocracy presented by >> the Law of

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Long forgotten fix

2023-11-19 Thread Goren Barak via agora-discussion
On 2023-11-19 19:09, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: > That's lovely! Unfortunately, due to the arcane beaurocracy presented by > the Law of Agora, > this proposal is not up for vote yet! > The process currently in place is basically: > Submit proposal (that's what snail did here) -> Promotor

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Long forgotten fix

2023-11-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 11/19/23 18:44, Goren Barak via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2023-11-19 16:24, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: >> I submit the following proposal: >> >> // >> Title: A simple fix >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: snail

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Long forgotten fix

2023-11-19 Thread Goren Barak via agora-discussion
On 2023-11-19 16:24, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > // > Title: A simple fix > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: snail > Co-authors: nix > > > [We tried to fix this back in April but

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Submission - Stone Repeal

2023-10-31 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
I think the proper way to repeal anything is to tweak and break it so subtly it's finally scammed, then you repeal it. That seems to be the way things go. Or at least the fun way. Maybe we just need new stones, after all! On Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:52 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business <

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Forum restoration

2023-10-16 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 16/10/2023 17:37, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote:> Adoption index: > > { > > The instance of the publicity switch possessed by the forum that can be > sent to at "agoranomic at groups.io" is hereby flipped to Public. > > } That's not a valid adoption index, and also you didn't give the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Button

2023-06-02 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 12:19 PM Juan F. Meleiro via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I create the following proposal, entitled “Game Theory”: > > { > Create a Power 1.0 rule called “The Button” with text: > { > The Buttonmastor is an office. > > The Button is a singleton

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Button

2023-06-02 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
Which is why you press the button every 144 hours that are reliable to you: or setup scheduled emails. I feel like also this is similar to apathy but now you have to track it: anyone can block as long as they press the button fre. 2. jun. 2023, 12:29 p.m. skrev ais523 via agora-discussion <

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Button

2023-06-02 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-06-02 at 14:18 -0300, Juan F. Meleiro via agora-business wrote: > I create the following proposal, entitled “Game Theory”: > > { > Create a Power 1.0 rule called “The Button” with text: This isn't really game theory, but "who has the most reliable Internet connection / is best at

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A Bright Future

2023-05-23 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/23/23 03:09, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > A player CAN, by paying a fee of 5 brights, turn a specified rule Radiant, > provided its power is less than 2. Each referenda on a proposal that would > amend or repeal a Radiant rule has its Adoption Index increased to 2, if it > is ever

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Rice rewrite

2023-05-22 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/22/23 14:33, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-05-21 01:28]: >> Changes: >> - Generally cleaned up wording >> - Handle rice at Lost and Found >> - Harvesting a plan now grants rice before revoking (handling the case >> where a person is in both the up and

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Rice rewrite

2023-05-22 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-05-21 01:28]: > Changes: > - Generally cleaned up wording > - Handle rice at Lost and Found > - Harvesting a plan now grants rice before revoking (handling the case > where a person is in both the up and down sets) > - Use "CAN" for enabling > - Use a by

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Rice disarmament

2023-05-22 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I think the main time-consuming activity in the Rice Game would be navigating its particularly challenging endgame (how do you get that last Rice? diplomacy? scam?), rather than grinding for large amounts of Rice. Even if we do end up going with this, and you end up getting 4 Rice, that last fifth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-21 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-21 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
This has been the best possible outcome lør. 20. mai 2023, 11:07 p.m. skrev Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>: > On 5/21/23 01:59, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: > > > > {Adoption index = 3 >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-21 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/21/23 01:59, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: > > {Adoption index = 3 > > [Stop making small changes to fix things. This security issue happens all > the time.] Exactly what non-small change would you want here? Your

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-20 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: {Adoption index = 3 [Stop making small changes to fix things. This security issue happens all the time.] Enact the following rule:"By default and unless otherwise specified, assets, switches, and eir properties are secured at the power

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:29 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Or perhaps this is just a case of "the ais523 who has been following > Agora for over 15 years spots things that the ais523 who had been there > for only one year didn't". Lol, I meant to add myself that the rules underlying may

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:01 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > That said, I suspect the word in R2029 is currently undefined: I don't > > think "a definition that was in place at the time the rule was adopted"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Kerim Aydin via agora-business [2023-05-18 13:16]: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:51 PM nix via agora-business > wrote: > > > > On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > > > CFJ: This violates Rule 2029 ("Town Fountain"). > > > I note and investigate the infraction to be 2 blots.

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > that it may fail is enough disclaimer to avoid no faking.  I'll also > note that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 16:08, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: >> I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I >> violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 > Sufficient carefulness would be not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 Sufficient carefulness would be not investigating until the CFJ was resolved, or your timer was

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:52 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: >

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 14:51, nix via agora-business wrote: On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: CFJ: This violates Rule 2029 ("Town Fountain"). I note and investigate the infraction to be 2 blots. (and as we know, this investigation only occurs if it does indeed violate the rule).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:03 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Having such an unwieldy amount of arcana puts a lot of power in being able > to give out 'hedonistic' Judgements; ones that are heavily based on "well > this is best for the game"/"this makes it playable"/etc,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Having such an unwieldy amount of arcana puts a lot of power in being able to give out 'hedonistic' Judgements; ones that are heavily based on "well this is best for the game"/"this makes it playable"/etc, especially ones that have to be that way because of ambiguity. Because we don't know for

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/12/23 06:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: - Why would we make a special case just for Invisibilitating specifically? What about other ancient things that may affect how other*current* things of the game work too? There might be. There's nothing that prevents us from looking

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 5:00 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > > - It takes agency away from newer players and puts more into older ones > which are more familiar with this obscure ancient arcana which has now > supposedly been made relevant, which feels terrible. > Just on this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-12 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 1:31 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/12/23 01:37, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > And about "voting strength games", any player could reactivate voting > > strength on the proposal if they would vote against

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-12 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/12/23 01:37, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > And about "voting strength games", any player could reactivate voting > strength on the proposal if they would vote against it. Voting strength > only matters when there's disagreement anyways, and if there is any, it'll > get turned

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-11 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 12:08 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/12/23 01:02, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > > Each player CAN, with 2 support, flip an ordinary proposal's class > to > > expedited, provided it is in the Proposal

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-11 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/12/23 01:02, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > Proposals created since the enactment of this rule have a secured > untracked Class switch with possible values ordinary (the default), > expedited, and democratic. Also, this opens up new voting strength games, since

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-11 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/12/23 01:02, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > Each player CAN, with 2 support, flip an ordinary proposal's class to > expedited, provided it is in the Proposal Pool and e has not done so yet > this week. Each player CAN, by announcement, flip an expedited proposal's > class to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Plan B

2023-05-08 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/8/23 03:39, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > - It's very easy to find trades that are net beneficial for the traders. > Most people seem to agree that trading Stamps 1-for-1 is generally > reasonable and a good trade. Just have the same person do that enough times > with

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Plan B

2023-05-08 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 13:55 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > my current thoughts are along the lines of "add Radiance for > participation actions like proposing / officiating / judging / even > voting And to clarify: by this I mean voting *at all*, not specifically for contrary votes

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Plan B

2023-05-08 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2023-05-08 at 01:24 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > Given a new player winning within a month and a half by stamps by > simply trading, something needs to change I disagree with this part of your statement – I don't think that there's anything inherently wrong with a new

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Plan B

2023-05-08 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I believe that a few things contributed to me winning: - It's very easy to find trades that are net beneficial for the traders. Most people seem to agree that trading Stamps 1-for-1 is generally reasonable and a good trade. Just have the same person do that enough times with different people and

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Plan B

2023-05-07 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 7, 2023 at 10:25 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > Title: Plan B > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: Janet > > Coauthors: > > { > > Amend Rule 2657 by, as a single amendment, removing the list items and >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-07 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: On 5/1/23 15:05, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: When you do a job manually for a while, you start to use shortcuts, get faster, streamline, then maybe join a couple of steps using a bit of code… there’s really no sharp line between “automation” and plain old “experience” -

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] 8639 rerun [CFJ]

2023-05-07 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/7/23 16:46, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: I agree, it's not surplusage. A finding that "amend" can include changes other than those explicitly described in Rule 105 would render it surplus. I guess this is the last time I try to write compromise text, if it's going to be used to

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Registrar Tracks Birthdays

2023-05-02 Thread juan via agora-discussion
nix via agora-business [2023-04-29 19:59]: > Title: Registrar Tracks Birthdays Oh no, work! -- juan

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:28 AM nix via agora-business wrote: > If an officer specified a Delegate when taking a Vacation, and the > Delegate has publicly consented, then the Delegate can act as if e > is the holder of the Office while the officer is On Vacation. I'm still against

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] 8639 rerun [CFJ]

2023-05-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:17 AM Aspen via agora-business wrote: > > On Tue, May 2, 2023 at 9:01 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > On 5/2/23 01:01, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] 8639 rerun

2023-05-02 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/2/23 01:01, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < > agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> [Proposal 8639 >> failed to make this change because it used "amend" for a power change. > > If everyone involved including you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-02 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion [2023-05-01 11:46]: > Maybe making the delegation subject to a public volunteer process - so it’s > treated differently if more than one person want the job, so the > hand-picking potential is more limited? I suggest we treat this the same way as the list of

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] 8639 rerun

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:38 PM Janet Cobb via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > [Proposal 8639 > failed to make this change because it used "amend" for a power change. If everyone involved including you knew what it meant at the time so as to miss the “error” entirely,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:46, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > While I was supportive of the delegation idea on discord, I’m coming around > to Yachay’s position. I’ve “taken breaks” from arbitor regularly - snail > and Jason both did the job for a bit last year - but when it was > technically

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 15:05, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > When you do a job manually for a while, you start to use shortcuts, get > faster, streamline, then maybe join a couple of steps using a bit of code… > there’s really no sharp line between “automation” and plain old > “experience” - the two

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 12:37 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/1/23 14:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > Ideally, I think, everything is doable with automation. In practice tho, > > I'm not sure what that looks like. > > Crucial typo. I think

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:49, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I was actually about to post the same thing about #2 in an election getting > the bench lol. It seems like the most effort-economic way to do it. > > And yeah, I think it could work as per-office. I'd prefer just trusting the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:18, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > The other part of this is: Janet is Rulekeepor purely because no one has > bothered to try to take the position properly. The Elections are meant to > encourage shakeups, but without sufficient platforms for change, then we > shalln't

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:28, nix via agora-business wrote: > An officer is On Vacation from a specified office if e has taken a > Vacation from that office in the last 30 days. The ADoP SHALL > include which officers are On Vacation in weekly report. Could just say that the set of officers on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Hrm, now that you mention it I think that would be better, yeah. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 9:38 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/1/23 14:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > Ideally, I think, everything is doable with automation. In practice tho, > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > Ideally, I think, everything is doable with automation. In practice tho, > I'm not sure what that looks like. Crucial typo. I think ideally everything is doable *without* automation. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:28, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Oh, I see now, that's very good. > > Hm. I wonder if there was a way to make offices significantly easier so > that we didn't need to rely on these things or the apparent elitism that > some offices require. This will be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Oh, I see now, that's very good. Hm. I wonder if there was a way to make offices significantly easier so that we didn't need to rely on these things or the apparent elitism that some offices require. But besides resorting to just having everyone play on Google Sheets in parallel to the regular

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:04, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > That seems to alludes that officers prefer to keep their tools to > themselves or they don't design them to be easily shared in the first > place, which I don't think is the best practice for Agora overall. > > Maybe we can encourage

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
That seems to alludes that officers prefer to keep their tools to themselves or they don't design them to be easily shared in the first place, which I don't think is the best practice for Agora overall. Maybe we can encourage officers to make/use public tools and tutorials that anyone can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:49, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I was actually about to post the same thing about #2 in an election getting > the bench lol. It seems like the most effort-economic way to do it. > > And yeah, I think it could work as per-office. My main concern is still the time

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I was actually about to post the same thing about #2 in an election getting the bench lol. It seems like the most effort-economic way to do it. And yeah, I think it could work as per-office. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:45 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
While I was supportive of the delegation idea on discord, I’m coming around to Yachay’s position. I’ve “taken breaks” from arbitor regularly - snail and Jason both did the job for a bit last year - but when it was technically resigning without the expectation of getting the job back I think it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:38, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Perhaps a "bench" system like in team sports, where there is a main > officer, but if they can't do their roles, or want to take a vacation, the > person on the bench takes the spot until they come back. > > The bench positions are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Perhaps a "bench" system like in team sports, where there is a main officer, but if they can't do their roles, or want to take a vacation, the person on the bench takes the spot until they come back. The bench positions are elected or otherwise offered to everyone equally somehow. On Mon, May 1,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
Well... I'd like to see Janet take a break and we'll find out how this process works anyways. It's all part of perfecting these processes I don't imagine anyone would willingly volunteer to be a delegate, considering that few even opted to become candidates in the recent elections. On Mon,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:32, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I'm not sure if my main point is coming across that the problem would be > the "dynasty" thing, where the veteran gets to hand-pick themselves how the > office continues rather than having a process that is more impartial. Oh I see.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I'm not sure if my main point is coming across that the problem would be the "dynasty" thing, where the veteran gets to hand-pick themselves how the office continues rather than having a process that is more impartial. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:24 PM nix via agora-discussion <

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:20, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/1/23 12:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: >> I'm sure that this is well-intended but I feel like this strongly >> encourages "dynasties" of officers where the veterans are de facto heads of >> who will get the privilege of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 12:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I'm sure that this is well-intended but I feel like this strongly > encourages "dynasties" of officers where the veterans are de facto heads of > who will get the privilege of choose who get to be the next Delegate or > not. Having

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
It's actually the opposite: right now we HAVE dynasties of players who just have had these roles forever, and they've never taken a break. Encouraging them to take a break, and specifying a different player, forces more change-ups than we have currently, because we trust so much currently in the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Wow, I did some major word soup there, I hope my point came across anyways lol On Monday, May 1, 2023, Yachay Wayllukuq wrote: > I'm sure that this is well-intended but I feel like this strongly > encourages "dynasties" of officers where the veterans are de facto heads of > who will get the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I'm sure that this is well-intended but I feel like this strongly encourages "dynasties" of officers where the veterans are de facto heads of who will get the privilege of choose who get to be the next Delegate or not. Having been Delegate seem like major boon to have towards actually getting the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A simple stone replacement

2023-04-27 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 8:15 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > {{{ > Title: Minty Stone > Adoption Index: 2.0 > Author: snail > Co-author(s): > > Amend Rule 2645 (The Stones) by replacing > > {{ > - Jockey Stone

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-04-24 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
What is Invisibilitating? On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 6:42 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following proposal, "now you don't see it", AI=1: > > > > > Re-enact Rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal - Unradiance

2023-04-15 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
On 4/15/23 09:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: I think the other forms to gain radiance seem alright, actually. This just removes the "radiance conditions", of the which I'm not a huge fan of (gaining radiance from proposals, mostly) On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 6:31 PM Forest

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal - Unradiance

2023-04-15 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I think the other forms to gain radiance seem alright, actually. This just removes the "radiance conditions", of the which I'm not a huge fan of (gaining radiance from proposals, mostly) On Sat, Apr 15, 2023 at 6:31 PM Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal - Unradiance

2023-04-15 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
lør. 15. apr. 2023, 6:20 a.m. skrev Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org>: > I create and submit the following Proposal: > > Title: Unradiance > AI: 1.0 > Author: Yachay > Co-Authors: None > > { > > Repeal Rule 2657 > > } > I dislike this mostly because this isn't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Standardizing language

2023-04-10 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/10/23 14:57, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: (Also, it might be better to include context rather than just "first instance of 'may'".) Why? Eliminates any chance of accidentally changing the wrong thing due to a concurrent proposal, and is clearer for the reader on what's being

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Standardizing language

2023-04-10 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 4/10/23 15:51, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-04-10 15:41]: >> On 4/10/23 15:38, juan via agora-business wrote: >>> I create and submit the following proposal: >>> >>> { >>> Title: Standardizing CANs >>> Author: juan >>> A.I.: 3.0 >>> >>>

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