DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7993

2017-12-10 Thread Aris Merchant 
Sorry this is late. I have finals the coming week, and have been very
busy studying. As a penalty for my tardiness, I'm not going to collect
a reward. I don't know if Agora could even pay for one anyway, but I'm
not going to try.

-Aris

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Aris Merchant
 wrote:
> I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
> Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
> pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
> quorum is 7.0, the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
> are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
> votes).
>
> ID Author(s)  AITitlePender  Pend fee
> ---
> 7993*  Alexis 1.0   Conditional Ban  Alexis  1 AP
>
> The proposal pool is currently empty.
>
> Legend: * : Proposal is pending.
>
>
> A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value
> in shines (see the Treasuror's report).
>
> The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.
>
> //
> ID: 7993
> Title: Conditional Ban
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: Alexis
> Co-authors:
>
>
> Enact a new rule entitled 'Unconditionality' reading "Except where the
> rules, implicitly or explicitly, provide a mechanism to do so, actions
> CANNOT be performed conditionally."
>
> //

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2017-12-10 Thread Aris Merchant 
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 6:46 PM pokes  wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> I unambiguously intend to become a player at this time.
>
Welcome (back I believe) to Agora!

-Aris

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Clork] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Madeline 

Isn't that still pending CFJ?


On 2017-12-11 14:31, Aris Merchant wrote:

I CoE this and the previous Clork report for not showing my standing with
the Row-Reduced politicians.

-Aris

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:27 PM Telnaior  wrote:


I create a new Politician with the name Awuton Cyroce in the Costume
Conservatives.


PARTIES AND FAVOURS
---

PLA - Platonic Isolationists   (4 Politicians, Participation)
NPR - New Punchbowl Reformers  (3 Politicians, Economy)
COS - Costume Conservatives(5 Politicians, Justice)
SUL - Substance Use Liberals   (4 Politicians, Efficiency)
MLP - Official Raving Monster Looney Party (4 Politicians, Legislation)

+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Player  | PLA | NPR | COS | SUL | MLP |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Alexis  |   2 |   3 |   7 |   9 |   4 |
| Aris|   0 | 183 |   6 |   3 |   5 |
| ATMunn  |   2 | 214 |   2 |   5 |   4 |
| Corona  |   2 | 215 |   0 |   1 |   2 |
| Cuddle Beam |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
| G.  |   2 | 429 |   2 |   5 |   4 |
| Gaelan  |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
| nichdel |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
| o   |   0 | 214 |   7 |   7 |   4 |
| PSS[1]  |   2 | 216 |   5 |   5 |   5 |
| Quazie  |   0 | 214 |   1 |   1 |   0 |
| Telnaior|   0 | 215 |   2 |   2 |   4 |
| 天火狐 |   0 | 214 |   1 |   1 |   2 | (not even gonna try)
| Trigon  |   2 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+


RANKS AND POLITICIANS
-

CHAMBER OF POWER[Rank 5]
Host  - VACANT (???, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
Break Election Ties

UPPER ECHELON   [Rank 3]
Planner   - Joseph "Stealin'" McCarthy (PLA, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
Decide Party Policies
  10 Influence - VJ Rada
Enforcer  - Xi Kingpin (PLA, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
Remove Row Echelon Politicians
  8 Influence - VJ Rada
Organiser - Mad "Max" Robespierre (COS, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
Extra Voting Power
  No Influencers
Creep - Politician McPoliticianface (NPR, 15 Stress, Aris)
Increase Politician Stress
  10 Influence - Aris

ROW ECHELON [Rank 1]
Schmoozer - The Drunk Clinton (SUL, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
Change Politician Parties
  6 Influence - VJ Rada
Decorator - John Johnson (MLP, 05 Stress, ATMunn)
Extra Balloon
  3 Influence - ATMunn
  3 Influence - VJ Rada
Loner - Pinocchio (COS, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
PLA Favours
  No Influencers
Drunk - Aristotle (PLA, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
NPR Favours
  3 Influence - VJ Rada
Mystery   - Mickey Joker (NPR, 05 Stress, Aris)
COS Favours
  12 Influence - Aris
Wild One  - Malcolm Turncoat (COS, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
SUL Favours
  No Influencers
Hat Rack  - Nick P. Ronald (NPR, 05 Stress, Aris)
MLP Favours
  12 Influence - Aris

ROW-REDUCED ECHELON [Rank 0]
No Post   - Nikolai Shootemdedsky (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
  No Influencers
No Post   - Bob (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
  2 Influence - VJ Rada
No Post   - Natasha Nogoodnik (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
  No Influencers
No Post   - Weird Al (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
  No Influencers
No Post   - Rob Boss (COS, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
  No Influencers
No Post   - Cookie Monster (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
  No Influencers
No Post   - Screaming Lord Sutch (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
  No Influencers
No Post   - Boris Eatstumuch (PLA, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
  No Influencers
No Post   - Awuton Cyroce (COS, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
  No Influencers


RETIREMENT AND ELECTIONS

Announcing Retirement:
No One

Recently Retired:
Mad Cap'n Tom (Host)

Election for Host:
Retirement Announced 2017-12-04
Retired 2017-12-11
No Votes Recorded Yet

BALLOONS


+-+---+---+---+
| Player  | Last Week | This Week | Total |
+-+---+---+---+
| Alexis  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Aris|10 |10 |20 |
| ATMunn  | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Corona  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Cuddle Beam | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| G.  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Gaelan  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| nichdel | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| o   | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| PSS[1]  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Quazie  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Telnaior| 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 天火狐 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Trigon  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
+-+---+---+---+

[1] Full name "Publius Scribonius Scholasticus"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Kerim Aydin 


I think R217 should say that every person CAN always call 2 CFJs
free per week, no matter what.  And get rid of AP.

On Mon, 11 Dec 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 01:07 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > Another argument in favour of making CFJ calls less fundamentally
> > conditional.
> 
> Perhaps we should pragmatise CFJs? If you call them, they always go
> through unless explicitly refused by the Arbitor for not having
> payment.
> 
> This would allow "public interest" CFJs to be called for free, too, so
> long as the Arbitor was on board.
> 
> -- 
> ais523
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Clork] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Aris Merchant 
I don't want it to self-ratify away. But yes, that CFJ is taking awhile.

-Aris

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:32 PM Madeline  wrote:

> Isn't that still pending CFJ?
>
>
> On 2017-12-11 14:31, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > I CoE this and the previous Clork report for not showing my standing with
> > the Row-Reduced politicians.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:27 PM Telnaior  wrote:
> >
> >> I create a new Politician with the name Awuton Cyroce in the Costume
> >> Conservatives.
> >>
> >>
> >> PARTIES AND FAVOURS
> >> ---
> >>
> >> PLA - Platonic Isolationists   (4 Politicians,
> Participation)
> >> NPR - New Punchbowl Reformers  (3 Politicians, Economy)
> >> COS - Costume Conservatives(5 Politicians, Justice)
> >> SUL - Substance Use Liberals   (4 Politicians, Efficiency)
> >> MLP - Official Raving Monster Looney Party (4 Politicians, Legislation)
> >>
> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >> | Player  | PLA | NPR | COS | SUL | MLP |
> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >> | Alexis  |   2 |   3 |   7 |   9 |   4 |
> >> | Aris|   0 | 183 |   6 |   3 |   5 |
> >> | ATMunn  |   2 | 214 |   2 |   5 |   4 |
> >> | Corona  |   2 | 215 |   0 |   1 |   2 |
> >> | Cuddle Beam |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
> >> | G.  |   2 | 429 |   2 |   5 |   4 |
> >> | Gaelan  |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
> >> | nichdel |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
> >> | o   |   0 | 214 |   7 |   7 |   4 |
> >> | PSS[1]  |   2 | 216 |   5 |   5 |   5 |
> >> | Quazie  |   0 | 214 |   1 |   1 |   0 |
> >> | Telnaior|   0 | 215 |   2 |   2 |   4 |
> >> | 天火狐 |   0 | 214 |   1 |   1 |   2 | (not even gonna try)
> >> | Trigon  |   2 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
> >> +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> >>
> >>
> >> RANKS AND POLITICIANS
> >> -
> >>
> >> CHAMBER OF POWER[Rank 5]
> >> Host  - VACANT (???, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> >> Break Election Ties
> >>
> >> UPPER ECHELON   [Rank 3]
> >> Planner   - Joseph "Stealin'" McCarthy (PLA, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
> >> Decide Party Policies
> >>   10 Influence - VJ Rada
> >> Enforcer  - Xi Kingpin (PLA, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
> >> Remove Row Echelon Politicians
> >>   8 Influence - VJ Rada
> >> Organiser - Mad "Max" Robespierre (COS, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
> >> Extra Voting Power
> >>   No Influencers
> >> Creep - Politician McPoliticianface (NPR, 15 Stress, Aris)
> >> Increase Politician Stress
> >>   10 Influence - Aris
> >>
> >> ROW ECHELON [Rank 1]
> >> Schmoozer - The Drunk Clinton (SUL, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
> >> Change Politician Parties
> >>   6 Influence - VJ Rada
> >> Decorator - John Johnson (MLP, 05 Stress, ATMunn)
> >> Extra Balloon
> >>   3 Influence - ATMunn
> >>   3 Influence - VJ Rada
> >> Loner - Pinocchio (COS, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
> >> PLA Favours
> >>   No Influencers
> >> Drunk - Aristotle (PLA, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
> >> NPR Favours
> >>   3 Influence - VJ Rada
> >> Mystery   - Mickey Joker (NPR, 05 Stress, Aris)
> >> COS Favours
> >>   12 Influence - Aris
> >> Wild One  - Malcolm Turncoat (COS, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
> >> SUL Favours
> >>   No Influencers
> >> Hat Rack  - Nick P. Ronald (NPR, 05 Stress, Aris)
> >> MLP Favours
> >>   12 Influence - Aris
> >>
> >> ROW-REDUCED ECHELON [Rank 0]
> >> No Post   - Nikolai Shootemdedsky (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> >>   No Influencers
> >> No Post   - Bob (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> >>   2 Influence - VJ Rada
> >> No Post   - Natasha Nogoodnik (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> >>   No Influencers
> >> No Post   - Weird Al (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> >>   No Influencers
> >> No Post   - Rob Boss (COS, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> >>   No Influencers
> >> No Post   - Cookie Monster (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> >>   No Influencers
> >> No Post   - Screaming Lord Sutch (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> >>   No Influencers
> >> No Post   - Boris Eatstumuch (PLA, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> >>   No Influencers
> >> No Post   - Awuton Cyroce (COS, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> >>   No Influencers
> >>
> >>
> >> RETIREMENT AND ELECTIONS
> >> 
> >> Announcing Retirement:
> >> No One
> >>
> >> Recently Retired:
> >> Mad Cap'n Tom (Host)
> >>
> >> Election for Host:
> >> Retirement Announced 2017-12-04
> >> Retired 2017-12-11
> >> No Votes Recorded Yet
> >>
> >> BALLOONS
> >> 
> >>
> >> +-+---+---+---+
> >> | Player  | Last Week | This Week | Total |
> >> +-+---+---+---+
> >> | Alexis  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
> >> |

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Clork] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Madeline 

HOW DID I JUST GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS BEFORE I GOT MY OWN MESSAGE
E-mail is weird


On 2017-12-11 14:34, Aris Merchant wrote:

I don't want it to self-ratify away. But yes, that CFJ is taking awhile.

-Aris

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:32 PM Madeline  wrote:


Isn't that still pending CFJ?


On 2017-12-11 14:31, Aris Merchant wrote:

I CoE this and the previous Clork report for not showing my standing with
the Row-Reduced politicians.

-Aris

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:27 PM Telnaior  wrote:


I create a new Politician with the name Awuton Cyroce in the Costume
Conservatives.


PARTIES AND FAVOURS
---

PLA - Platonic Isolationists   (4 Politicians,

Participation)

NPR - New Punchbowl Reformers  (3 Politicians, Economy)
COS - Costume Conservatives(5 Politicians, Justice)
SUL - Substance Use Liberals   (4 Politicians, Efficiency)
MLP - Official Raving Monster Looney Party (4 Politicians, Legislation)

+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Player  | PLA | NPR | COS | SUL | MLP |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| Alexis  |   2 |   3 |   7 |   9 |   4 |
| Aris|   0 | 183 |   6 |   3 |   5 |
| ATMunn  |   2 | 214 |   2 |   5 |   4 |
| Corona  |   2 | 215 |   0 |   1 |   2 |
| Cuddle Beam |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
| G.  |   2 | 429 |   2 |   5 |   4 |
| Gaelan  |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
| nichdel |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
| o   |   0 | 214 |   7 |   7 |   4 |
| PSS[1]  |   2 | 216 |   5 |   5 |   5 |
| Quazie  |   0 | 214 |   1 |   1 |   0 |
| Telnaior|   0 | 215 |   2 |   2 |   4 |
| 天火狐 |   0 | 214 |   1 |   1 |   2 | (not even gonna try)
| Trigon  |   2 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+


RANKS AND POLITICIANS
-

CHAMBER OF POWER[Rank 5]
Host  - VACANT (???, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
Break Election Ties

UPPER ECHELON   [Rank 3]
Planner   - Joseph "Stealin'" McCarthy (PLA, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
Decide Party Policies
   10 Influence - VJ Rada
Enforcer  - Xi Kingpin (PLA, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
Remove Row Echelon Politicians
   8 Influence - VJ Rada
Organiser - Mad "Max" Robespierre (COS, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
Extra Voting Power
   No Influencers
Creep - Politician McPoliticianface (NPR, 15 Stress, Aris)
Increase Politician Stress
   10 Influence - Aris

ROW ECHELON [Rank 1]
Schmoozer - The Drunk Clinton (SUL, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
Change Politician Parties
   6 Influence - VJ Rada
Decorator - John Johnson (MLP, 05 Stress, ATMunn)
Extra Balloon
   3 Influence - ATMunn
   3 Influence - VJ Rada
Loner - Pinocchio (COS, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
PLA Favours
   No Influencers
Drunk - Aristotle (PLA, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
NPR Favours
   3 Influence - VJ Rada
Mystery   - Mickey Joker (NPR, 05 Stress, Aris)
COS Favours
   12 Influence - Aris
Wild One  - Malcolm Turncoat (COS, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
SUL Favours
   No Influencers
Hat Rack  - Nick P. Ronald (NPR, 05 Stress, Aris)
MLP Favours
   12 Influence - Aris

ROW-REDUCED ECHELON [Rank 0]
No Post   - Nikolai Shootemdedsky (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
   No Influencers
No Post   - Bob (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
   2 Influence - VJ Rada
No Post   - Natasha Nogoodnik (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
   No Influencers
No Post   - Weird Al (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
   No Influencers
No Post   - Rob Boss (COS, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
   No Influencers
No Post   - Cookie Monster (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
   No Influencers
No Post   - Screaming Lord Sutch (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
   No Influencers
No Post   - Boris Eatstumuch (PLA, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
   No Influencers
No Post   - Awuton Cyroce (COS, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
   No Influencers


RETIREMENT AND ELECTIONS

Announcing Retirement:
No One

Recently Retired:
Mad Cap'n Tom (Host)

Election for Host:
Retirement Announced 2017-12-04
Retired 2017-12-11
No Votes Recorded Yet

BALLOONS


+-+---+---+---+
| Player  | Last Week | This Week | Total |
+-+---+---+---+
| Alexis  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Aris|10 |10 |20 |
| ATMunn  | 2 | 2 | 4 |
| Corona  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Cuddle Beam | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| G.  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Gaelan  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| nichdel | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| o   | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| PSS[1]  | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Quazie  | 0 |

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Clork] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Aris Merchant 
It's just a matter of knowing who to bribe. ;) Email is indeed weird.

-Aris

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:36 PM Madeline  wrote:

> HOW DID I JUST GET YOUR RESPONSE TO THIS BEFORE I GOT MY OWN MESSAGE
> E-mail is weird
>
>
> On 2017-12-11 14:34, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > I don't want it to self-ratify away. But yes, that CFJ is taking awhile.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:32 PM Madeline  wrote:
> >
> >> Isn't that still pending CFJ?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2017-12-11 14:31, Aris Merchant wrote:
> >>> I CoE this and the previous Clork report for not showing my standing
> with
> >>> the Row-Reduced politicians.
> >>>
> >>> -Aris
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 7:27 PM Telnaior  wrote:
> >>>
>  I create a new Politician with the name Awuton Cyroce in the Costume
>  Conservatives.
> 
> 
>  PARTIES AND FAVOURS
>  ---
> 
>  PLA - Platonic Isolationists   (4 Politicians,
> >> Participation)
>  NPR - New Punchbowl Reformers  (3 Politicians, Economy)
>  COS - Costume Conservatives(5 Politicians, Justice)
>  SUL - Substance Use Liberals   (4 Politicians, Efficiency)
>  MLP - Official Raving Monster Looney Party (4 Politicians,
> Legislation)
> 
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+
>  | Player  | PLA | NPR | COS | SUL | MLP |
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+
>  | Alexis  |   2 |   3 |   7 |   9 |   4 |
>  | Aris|   0 | 183 |   6 |   3 |   5 |
>  | ATMunn  |   2 | 214 |   2 |   5 |   4 |
>  | Corona  |   2 | 215 |   0 |   1 |   2 |
>  | Cuddle Beam |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
>  | G.  |   2 | 429 |   2 |   5 |   4 |
>  | Gaelan  |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
>  | nichdel |   0 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
>  | o   |   0 | 214 |   7 |   7 |   4 |
>  | PSS[1]  |   2 | 216 |   5 |   5 |   5 |
>  | Quazie  |   0 | 214 |   1 |   1 |   0 |
>  | Telnaior|   0 | 215 |   2 |   2 |   4 |
>  | 天火狐 |   0 | 214 |   1 |   1 |   2 | (not even gonna try)
>  | Trigon  |   2 | 214 |   0 |   0 |   0 |
>  +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> 
> 
>  RANKS AND POLITICIANS
>  -
> 
>  CHAMBER OF POWER[Rank 5]
>  Host  - VACANT (???, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
>  Break Election Ties
> 
>  UPPER ECHELON   [Rank 3]
>  Planner   - Joseph "Stealin'" McCarthy (PLA, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
>  Decide Party Policies
> 10 Influence - VJ Rada
>  Enforcer  - Xi Kingpin (PLA, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
>  Remove Row Echelon Politicians
> 8 Influence - VJ Rada
>  Organiser - Mad "Max" Robespierre (COS, 15 Stress, No Advisor)
>  Extra Voting Power
> No Influencers
>  Creep - Politician McPoliticianface (NPR, 15 Stress, Aris)
>  Increase Politician Stress
> 10 Influence - Aris
> 
>  ROW ECHELON [Rank 1]
>  Schmoozer - The Drunk Clinton (SUL, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
>  Change Politician Parties
> 6 Influence - VJ Rada
>  Decorator - John Johnson (MLP, 05 Stress, ATMunn)
>  Extra Balloon
> 3 Influence - ATMunn
> 3 Influence - VJ Rada
>  Loner - Pinocchio (COS, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
>  PLA Favours
> No Influencers
>  Drunk - Aristotle (PLA, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
>  NPR Favours
> 3 Influence - VJ Rada
>  Mystery   - Mickey Joker (NPR, 05 Stress, Aris)
>  COS Favours
> 12 Influence - Aris
>  Wild One  - Malcolm Turncoat (COS, 05 Stress, No Advisor)
>  SUL Favours
> No Influencers
>  Hat Rack  - Nick P. Ronald (NPR, 05 Stress, Aris)
>  MLP Favours
> 12 Influence - Aris
> 
>  ROW-REDUCED ECHELON [Rank 0]
>  No Post   - Nikolai Shootemdedsky (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> No Influencers
>  No Post   - Bob (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> 2 Influence - VJ Rada
>  No Post   - Natasha Nogoodnik (SUL, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> No Influencers
>  No Post   - Weird Al (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> No Influencers
>  No Post   - Rob Boss (COS, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> No Influencers
>  No Post   - Cookie Monster (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> No Influencers
>  No Post   - Screaming Lord Sutch (MLP, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> No Influencers
>  No Post   - Boris Eatstumuch (PLA, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
> No Influencers
>  No Post   - Awuton Cyroce (COS, 00 Stress, No Advisor)
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Alexis Hunt 
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017, 19:50 Alex Smith,  wrote:

> On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 00:17 +, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > If this proposal is not already pending, I pend it for 1 AP.
> This works as intended even without the conditional, under our current
> rulings; you can't pay to pend a proposal if it's already pending.
>
> > If I have not already done so, I call this case for 5 shinies.
> This is the one I'm most sympathetic to out of your three examples;
> charging for CFJs does give a reason to not just unconditionally call
> it the "potentially second time".
>

Another argument in favour of making CFJ calls less fundamentally
conditional.

>
> > If Alexis has been awarded a card, I point my finger at the Referee.
> This is an abuse of conditionals IMO. You're basically saying "I accuse
> the Referee, if and only if e actually committed the crime". In other
> words, it's an attempt to get out of being held liable for a false
> accusation by making it only if it's true, and while still causing
> people to do all the work required to respond to the accusation
> (because they need to determine if it's true or not to determine
> whether you made it).
>
> --
> ais523
>

DIS: PAoAM v5: "Probably should be v4.1" edition

2017-12-10 Thread Reuben Staley 

Title: Putting Agora on a Map v5
Author: Trigon
Co-Authors: Aris, ATMunn, G., o, VJ Rada
AI: 2.6

[ I implemented Aris's ideas and also changed a few things that were
  bugging me. ]

[ PART I: Removing and Changing Stuff ]

Repeal rules 2488 "The Surveyor", 2489 "Estates", 2490 "Estate Ballots",
2491 "Estate Auctions", 2501 "Farm Rate", 2502 "Agoraculture", 2503
"Comestibles", and 2504 "The Agronomist".

[ Comestibles will probably be removed soon enough, so maybe removing
  them right now isn't completely necessary. ]

Repeal rule 2500 "Action Points".

Amend rule 2445 "How to Pend a Proposal" by replacing the second
paragraph and subsequent list with:

  Any player CAN flip a specified proposal's imminence to "pending"
  by announcement by spending 1 paper.

Amend rule 991 "Calls for Judgement" by removing the list directly
following the first paragraph, and replacing the first paragraph with
the following:

  Any person (the initiator) can initiate a Call for Judgement (CFJ,
  syn. Judicial Case), specifying a statement to be inquired into by
  announcement.

[ Hold up. Before you complain about this being illogical, just know
  that there are plans for this section. ]

Repeal rules 2483 "Economics", 2487 "Shiny Supply Level", and 2497
"Floating Value".

Amend rule 2516 "Passive Income" by replacing it in full with:

  As part of eir monthly duties, the Treasuror SHALL create the
  following assets in possession of every player:

  1. 10 coins
  2. 5 apples
  3. 3 papers

[ This makes it so that impoverished players can move a little each week
  and make some proposals. ]

Amend rule 2599 "Welcome Packages" by replacing the second paragraph
with:

  When a player receives a Welcome Package, Agora creates the
  following assets in eir possession:

  1. 20 coins
  2. 5 lumber
  3. 5 stones
  4. 10 apples
  5. 3 papers

Make all players eligable to recieve Welcome Packages.

[PART II: Making Land]

Re-enact rule 1993/1 (Power=2) "The Land of Arcadia" with the text:

  Arcadia is a land entirely defined by the Arcadian Map (the Map).
  The Map is the term for the set of all Land Units.

  The Map divides Arcadia into a finite, discrete number of Units of
  Land, or simply Land. Each Unit of Land is an indestructible asset
  specified by an ordered pair of integers known as its Latitude and
  Longitude.

  Every unique ordered pair of integers within the limits defined in
  the Rules for Latitude and Longitude signifies an existent Unit of
  Land. No other Units of Land exist. Units of Land CAN only be
  created or destroyed by changing the limits of Latitude and
  Longitude defined in the Rules.

  All values for Latitude and Longitude MUST lie between -9 and +9,
  inclusive.

  The Total Land Area of Arcadia is the number of existent Units of
  Land defined by permissible Latitude and Longitude pairs.

Re-enact rule 1994/0 (Power=2) "Ownership of Land" with the text:

  Any existent Land for which ownership has not been explicitly
  changed belongs to Agora.

  Land belonging to Agora is called Public Land. Land belonging to
  a contract is called Communal Land. Land belonging to any other
  entity is called Private Land. Together, Communal Land and Private
  Land are called Proprietary Land.

Re-enact rule 1995/0 (Power=2) "Land Types" with the text:

  Each Unit of Land has a Land Type switch, tracked by the
  Cartographor, whose values are "Black", "White", and "Aether" (the
  default). Changes to Land Type switches are secured. To "change
  the type" of, or to "transform" a Unit of Land is to flip its Type
  switch. A “Unit of X” is a Unit of Land whose Land Type switch has
  the value X.

  When existent Land has not had its Type changed as explicitly
  permitted by the Rules, or has a Type that is not currently
  defined by the Rules, it is considered to have the Land Type of
  Aether. Rules to the contrary nonwithstanding, Units of Aether
  CANNOT be transferred from Agora, or owned by any entity other
  than Agora. If Proprietary Land becomes Aether, the Cartographor
  SHALL transfer it to Agora in a timely fashion.

  Type is a singleton switch with the values of Black and White,
  defaulting to Black. When an act specifies that an alternating
  land type is to be used, the current value of the Alternating Land
  Type switch is used, and the switch is set to the next value of
  the switch.

Re-enact rule 1996/3 (Power=1), renaming it to "The Cartographor" with
the text:

  The Cartographor is an office; its holder is recordkeepor for the
  Land of Arcadia.

  The Cartographor's Weekly Report shall include:

  1. the ownership and land type of all existing land;
  2. all changes in the ownership and land type of existing land

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Alexis Hunt 
This is how excess cases work, presumably for this exact reason.

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017, 20:13 Alex Smith,  wrote:

> On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 01:07 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > Another argument in favour of making CFJ calls less fundamentally
> > conditional.
>
> Perhaps we should pragmatise CFJs? If you call them, they always go
> through unless explicitly refused by the Arbitor for not having
> payment.
>
> This would allow "public interest" CFJs to be called for free, too, so
> long as the Arbitor was on board.
>
> --
> ais523
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Alex Smith 
On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 01:07 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> Another argument in favour of making CFJ calls less fundamentally
> conditional.

Perhaps we should pragmatise CFJs? If you call them, they always go
through unless explicitly refused by the Arbitor for not having
payment.

This would allow "public interest" CFJs to be called for free, too, so
long as the Arbitor was on board.

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread ATMunn 

What if the Arbitor just refused all CFJs? Or none of them?

On 12/10/2017 8:12 PM, Alex Smith wrote:

On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 01:07 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:

Another argument in favour of making CFJ calls less fundamentally
conditional.


Perhaps we should pragmatise CFJs? If you call them, they always go
through unless explicitly refused by the Arbitor for not having
payment.

This would allow "public interest" CFJs to be called for free, too, so
long as the Arbitor was on board.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Alex Smith 
On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 00:17 +, Aris Merchant wrote:
> If this proposal is not already pending, I pend it for 1 AP.
This works as intended even without the conditional, under our current
rulings; you can't pay to pend a proposal if it's already pending.

> If I have not already done so, I call this case for 5 shinies.
This is the one I'm most sympathetic to out of your three examples;
charging for CFJs does give a reason to not just unconditionally call
it the "potentially second time".

> If Alexis has been awarded a card, I point my finger at the Referee.
This is an abuse of conditionals IMO. You're basically saying "I accuse
the Referee, if and only if e actually committed the crime". In other
words, it's an attempt to get out of being held liable for a false
accusation by making it only if it's true, and while still causing
people to do all the work required to respond to the accusation
(because they need to determine if it's true or not to determine
whether you made it).

-- 
ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7989-7992

2017-12-10 Thread ATMunn 

excuse me, I did vote?

Something happened with my formatting and so it kind of looks like I didn't 
vote on 7992, but the vote is just at the end of the line instead of a newline 
for some reason. The vote was FOR.

On 12/10/2017 7:47 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:

I extend the voting period on all of these decisions by 7 days and issue
a humiliating public reminder to 天火狐, Quazie, Gaelan, omd, nichdel, G.,
Cuddlebeam, V.J. Rada, ATMunn, Trigon, Telnaior, and Corona.

On 12/03/2017 06:38 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it, and removing it from the proposal
pool. For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the
quorum is 6.0 [1], the voting method is AI-majority and the valid options
are FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is also a valid vote, as are conditional
votes).

ID Author(s)  AITitlePender  Pend fee
---
7989*  Telnaior   3.0   Don't FAGE the FAGE  Telnaior1 AP
7990*  P.S.S [2]  1.0   History by Force P.S.S. [2]  1 AP
7991*  G. 3.0   Ribbon fix   G.  1 AP
7992*  Alexis 3.0   More CAN Fixes   Alexis  1 AP

The proposal pool is currently empty.

Legend: * : Proposal is pending.


[1] There is a quite a bit of confusion about the last proposal to be
 purportedly resolved, 7981, so this value is provisional.
[2] Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

A proposal may be pended for 1 AP, or for 1/20th the Floating Value
in shines (see the Treasuror's report).

The full text of the aforementioned proposals is included below.

//
ID: 7989
Title: Don't FAGE the FAGE
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Telnaior
Co-authors:


Change the power of Rule 1789 ("Cantus Cygneus") to 3.

//
ID: 7990
Title: History by Force
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Co-authors:


Enact a new Rule "Miscellaneous Herald Duties", with the following text:
{
   The Herald SHALL in eir weekly report include an interesting Agoran
   fact and SHALL in eir monthly report include a short essay of any
   authorship, regarding an aspect of Agoran history. Any player
   publishing a thesis for a degree, related to Agoran history SHOULD
   offer a summary for publication in the Herald's monthly report.

   The Herald SHALL in eir monthly report publish, with reasonable
   effort, a summary of all theses written for the purpose of
   receiving degrees, regardless of whether a degree was awarded.
   The Herald SHOULD attempt to make theses available for reading.
}

//
ID: 7991
Title: Ribbon fix
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: G.
Co-authors:


Amend Rule 2438 by replacing:
While a person qualifies for a type of Ribbon, any player can generally
award em that type of Ribbon.
with:
   While a person qualifies for a type of Ribbon, any player CAN award em
   that type of Ribbon by announcement.

//
ID: 7992
Title: More CAN Fixes
Adoption index: 3.0
Author: Alexis
Co-authors:


Amend Rule 2438 (Ribbons) by replacing "While a person qualifies for a type
of Ribbon, any player can generally award em that type of Ribbon." with "
While a person qualifies for a type of Ribbon, any player CAN, by
announcement, award em that type of Ribbon."

Amend Rule 2444 (Silver Quill) by replacing "the Herald is authorized to
award" with "the Herald CAN once, by announcement, award"

Amend Rule 2449 (Winning the Game) by replacing "The Herald CAN once, by
announcement, then award those persons the Patent Title of Champion."

[Note that Rule 649 turns the permission into an obligation.]

//

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Alex Smith 
On Sun, 2017-12-10 at 20:17 -0500, ATMunn wrote:
> On 12/10/2017 8:12 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 01:07 +, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> > > Another argument in favour of making CFJ calls less fundamentally
> > > conditional.
> > 
> > Perhaps we should pragmatise CFJs? If you call them, they always go
> > through unless explicitly refused by the Arbitor for not having
> > payment.
> > 
> > This would allow "public interest" CFJs to be called for free, too,
> > so long as the Arbitor was on board.
> What if the Arbitor just refused all CFJs? Or none of them?

They wouldn't be able to refuse a case that had been paid for
correctly.

-- 
ais523

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread ATMunn 

Congrats on your first report! You certainly did better than I did with my 
first report...

Notice of Honour:
I lose 1 karma because I don't feel that it's fair for me to be shogun.
Corona gains one karma for a good first report.

On 12/10/2017 11:47 AM, Corona wrote:

As Herald I publish the following weekly report:

Court:

KarmaEntity
-
SAMURAI
-
+4   ATMunn <-- SHOGUN
+3   o
+3   Alexis
+3   Telnaior
+3   G.
+2   Trigon
+2   Aris
+1   天火狐
-1   Quazie
-1   omd
-1   Bayushi
-2   ProofTechnique
-2   Murphy
-2   Ienpw III
-2   Gaelan
-4   CuddleBeam
-6   V.J. Rada <-- HONOURLESS WORM
-
GAMMAS
-
KarmaEntity


All other entities have 0 Karma.

---
Notices of Honour:

Corona (28 Nov 2017)
-1 Corona (not giving karma to Alexis instead, intent to bribe)
+1 VJ Rada (has given Corona shinies, balancing eir karma)

o (27 Nov 2017)
-1 o (spending too long at the top of the list)
+1 CuddleBeam (having been duly chastened)

Alexis (27 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (generally poor sportsmanship)
+1 Telnaior (stepping up as Clork)

PSS (27 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (disrespecting others, the game and sportsmanship)
+1 Aris (encouraging civility)

G. (27 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (bad officing)
+1 ATMunn (being a good sport about ribbons)

ATMunn (28 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (bad ADoP, bad officer, bad Agoran)
+1 G. (good long-term player who know's what e's doing)

Telnaior (28 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (intentionally causing trouble several times)
+1 Corona (cool newbie)

[New Week]

PSS (20 Nov 2017)
-1 nichdel (for inactivity)
+1 ATMunn (for improving upon ADoP report)

[New Week]

ATMunn (16 Nov 2017)
-1 ATMunn (pushing boundaries of karma)
+1 G. (pushing boundaries of karma)

V.J. Rada 15 Nov 2017)
-1 Quazie (for inactivity)
+1 Alexis (innovative timely rulekeepor)

Telnaior (15 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (being a contrarian)
+1 Alexis (Telnaior's favourite large proposal)

[Last Report Wed Nov 15]
[New Week]

G. (12 Nov 2017)
-1 天火狐 (for a low-effort newspaper report).
+1 omd (for quick response to Distributor directives).

ATMunn (6 Nov 2017)
-1 ATMunn (for forgetting to state quorum on Decision initiations).
+1 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (for putting up with such mistakes).


[New Week]


G. (3 Nov 17)
-1 Murphy (for being a near-Zombie).
+1 Alexis (for putting the time into this thesis).

ATMunn (30 Oct 2017)
-1 omd (can't think of anyone else to lose karma and e is inactive).
+1 Trigon (for seeming to do really well so far at publishing rulesets).

Alexis (30 Oct 2017)
-1 Alexis (for introducing such a silly pedantic bug into the ruleset).
+1 ATMunn (for putting up with it).

Telnaior (30 Oct 2017)
-1 CuddleBeam (for attempting to game the karma system).
+1 Aris (for putting in a valiant effort as Promotor during busy period).

V.J. Rada (30 Oct 2017)
-1 Bayushi (for inactivity).
+1 Alexis (for having to judge my stupid cfjs).


[New Week]


Telnaior (29 Oct 2017)
-1 ProofTechnique (for not existing but having more karma than other
inactives).
+1 天火狐 (for creating a very cool contract).

o (27 Oct 17)
-1 CuddleBeam (for generally being contrarian)
+1 G. (for producing a magnificent judgement)

Alexis (25 Oct 17)
-1 CuddleBeam (for objecting to deregistration making karma-sinks)
+1 nichdel (for jumping right back in)

PSS (25 Oct 17)
-1 CuddleBeam (for confusing nichdel and being a contrarian)
+1 天火狐 (for being a fun player and pushing boundaries with language)

Nichdel (25 Oct 17)
-1 PSS (for being a contrarian)
+1 o (for being the best at what e does)

Trigon (25 Oct 17)
-1 Ienpw III (for being inactive)
+1 ATMunn (for being a fantastic active new player)

ATMunn (25 Oct 17)
-1 Ienpw III (for being inactive)
+1 o (for being honest, hardworking and generally awesome player)

Aris (25 Oct 17)
-1 ProofTechnique (for being inactive)
+1 Trigon (for being a new active player)

V.J. Rada (25 Oct 17)
-1 omd (for being inactive)
+1 Telnaior (cool that V.J. Rada brought em back and being clever)

G. (24 Oct 17)
-1 V.J. Rada (making a deputization mess)
+1 o (for being the one to clean up messes)


[New Week]


Telnaior (22 Oct 17)
-1 Gaelan (for slack Rulekeeping)
+1 Alexis (for being helpful)

Alexis (22 Oct 17)
-1 CuddleBeam (for blocking deregistrations of inactives)
+1 Telnaior (for coming back with vigour)

V.J. Rada (22 Oct 17)
-1 Murphy (being inactive)
+1 ATMunn (for being a good player, and proposals)

G. (22 Oct 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (random choice), +1 ATMunn (good first proposal).


~Corona

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Corona 
Thanks!

On 12/10/17, ATMunn  wrote:
> Congrats on your first report! You certainly did better than I did with my
> first report...
>
> Notice of Honour:
>   I lose 1 karma because I don't feel that it's fair for me to be shogun.
>   Corona gains one karma for a good first report.
>
> On 12/10/2017 11:47 AM, Corona wrote:
>> As Herald I publish the following weekly report:
>>
>> Court:
>>
>> KarmaEntity
>> -
>> SAMURAI
>> -
>> +4   ATMunn <-- SHOGUN
>> +3   o
>> +3   Alexis
>> +3   Telnaior
>> +3   G.
>> +2   Trigon
>> +2   Aris
>> +1   天火狐
>> -1   Quazie
>> -1   omd
>> -1   Bayushi
>> -2   ProofTechnique
>> -2   Murphy
>> -2   Ienpw III
>> -2   Gaelan
>> -4   CuddleBeam
>> -6   V.J. Rada <-- HONOURLESS WORM
>> -
>> GAMMAS
>> -
>> KarmaEntity
>>
>>
>> All other entities have 0 Karma.
>>
>> ---
>> Notices of Honour:
>>
>> Corona (28 Nov 2017)
>> -1 Corona (not giving karma to Alexis instead, intent to bribe)
>> +1 VJ Rada (has given Corona shinies, balancing eir karma)
>>
>> o (27 Nov 2017)
>> -1 o (spending too long at the top of the list)
>> +1 CuddleBeam (having been duly chastened)
>>
>> Alexis (27 Nov 2017)
>> -1 V.J. Rada (generally poor sportsmanship)
>> +1 Telnaior (stepping up as Clork)
>>
>> PSS (27 Nov 2017)
>> -1 V.J. Rada (disrespecting others, the game and sportsmanship)
>> +1 Aris (encouraging civility)
>>
>> G. (27 Nov 2017)
>> -1 V.J. Rada (bad officing)
>> +1 ATMunn (being a good sport about ribbons)
>>
>> ATMunn (28 Nov 2017)
>> -1 V.J. Rada (bad ADoP, bad officer, bad Agoran)
>> +1 G. (good long-term player who know's what e's doing)
>>
>> Telnaior (28 Nov 2017)
>> -1 V.J. Rada (intentionally causing trouble several times)
>> +1 Corona (cool newbie)
>>
>> [New Week]
>>
>> PSS (20 Nov 2017)
>> -1 nichdel (for inactivity)
>> +1 ATMunn (for improving upon ADoP report)
>>
>> [New Week]
>>
>> ATMunn (16 Nov 2017)
>> -1 ATMunn (pushing boundaries of karma)
>> +1 G. (pushing boundaries of karma)
>>
>> V.J. Rada 15 Nov 2017)
>> -1 Quazie (for inactivity)
>> +1 Alexis (innovative timely rulekeepor)
>>
>> Telnaior (15 Nov 2017)
>> -1 V.J. Rada (being a contrarian)
>> +1 Alexis (Telnaior's favourite large proposal)
>>
>> [Last Report Wed Nov 15]
>> [New Week]
>>
>> G. (12 Nov 2017)
>> -1 天火狐 (for a low-effort newspaper report).
>> +1 omd (for quick response to Distributor directives).
>>
>> ATMunn (6 Nov 2017)
>> -1 ATMunn (for forgetting to state quorum on Decision initiations).
>> +1 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (for putting up with such mistakes).
>>
>>
>> [New Week]
>>
>>
>> G. (3 Nov 17)
>> -1 Murphy (for being a near-Zombie).
>> +1 Alexis (for putting the time into this thesis).
>>
>> ATMunn (30 Oct 2017)
>> -1 omd (can't think of anyone else to lose karma and e is inactive).
>> +1 Trigon (for seeming to do really well so far at publishing rulesets).
>>
>> Alexis (30 Oct 2017)
>> -1 Alexis (for introducing such a silly pedantic bug into the ruleset).
>> +1 ATMunn (for putting up with it).
>>
>> Telnaior (30 Oct 2017)
>> -1 CuddleBeam (for attempting to game the karma system).
>> +1 Aris (for putting in a valiant effort as Promotor during busy period).
>>
>> V.J. Rada (30 Oct 2017)
>> -1 Bayushi (for inactivity).
>> +1 Alexis (for having to judge my stupid cfjs).
>>
>>
>> [New Week]
>>
>>
>> Telnaior (29 Oct 2017)
>> -1 ProofTechnique (for not existing but having more karma than other
>> inactives).
>> +1 天火狐 (for creating a very cool contract).
>>
>> o (27 Oct 17)
>> -1 CuddleBeam (for generally being contrarian)
>> +1 G. (for producing a magnificent judgement)
>>
>> Alexis (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 CuddleBeam (for objecting to deregistration making karma-sinks)
>> +1 nichdel (for jumping right back in)
>>
>> PSS (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 CuddleBeam (for confusing nichdel and being a contrarian)
>> +1 天火狐 (for being a fun player and pushing boundaries with language)
>>
>> Nichdel (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 PSS (for being a contrarian)
>> +1 o (for being the best at what e does)
>>
>> Trigon (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 Ienpw III (for being inactive)
>> +1 ATMunn (for being a fantastic active new player)
>>
>> ATMunn (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 Ienpw III (for being inactive)
>> +1 o (for being honest, hardworking and generally awesome player)
>>
>> Aris (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 ProofTechnique (for being inactive)
>> +1 Trigon (for being a new active player)
>>
>> V.J. Rada (25 Oct 17)
>> -1 omd (for being inactive)
>> +1 Telnaior (cool that V.J. Rada brought em back and being clever)
>>
>> G. (24 Oct 17)
>> -1 V.J. Rada (making a deputization mess)
>> +1 o (for being the one to clean up messes)
>>
>>
>> [New Week]
>>
>>
>> Telnaior (22 Oct 17)
>> -1 Gaelan (for slack Rulekeeping)
>> +1 Alexis (for being helpful)
>>
>> Alexis (22 Oct 17)
>> -1 CuddleBeam (for blocking deregistrations of inactives)
>> +1 Telnaior (for coming back with vigour)
>>
>> V.J. Rada (22 Oct 17)
>> -1 Murphy (being

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Madeline 

"Number of Agora's shinies" isn't something I'm expected to know. ;_;

On 2017-12-11 03:54, Corona wrote:

I cause ACU to transfer to me 5-(no. of Agora's shinies) shinies,
destroying ten times that number of bills.

Then, I spend those shinies on gaining favor with the Party holding
Economy, and then I claim my reward for the Weekly Herald Report.

On 12/10/17, Corona  wrote:

As Herald I publish the following weekly report:

Court:

KarmaEntity
-
SAMURAI
-
+4   ATMunn <-- SHOGUN
+3   o
+3   Alexis
+3   Telnaior
+3   G.
+2   Trigon
+2   Aris
+1   天火狐
-1   Quazie
-1   omd
-1   Bayushi
-2   ProofTechnique
-2   Murphy
-2   Ienpw III
-2   Gaelan
-4   CuddleBeam
-6   V.J. Rada <-- HONOURLESS WORM
-
GAMMAS
-
KarmaEntity


All other entities have 0 Karma.

---
Notices of Honour:

Corona (28 Nov 2017)
-1 Corona (not giving karma to Alexis instead, intent to bribe)
+1 VJ Rada (has given Corona shinies, balancing eir karma)

o (27 Nov 2017)
-1 o (spending too long at the top of the list)
+1 CuddleBeam (having been duly chastened)

Alexis (27 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (generally poor sportsmanship)
+1 Telnaior (stepping up as Clork)

PSS (27 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (disrespecting others, the game and sportsmanship)
+1 Aris (encouraging civility)

G. (27 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (bad officing)
+1 ATMunn (being a good sport about ribbons)

ATMunn (28 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (bad ADoP, bad officer, bad Agoran)
+1 G. (good long-term player who know's what e's doing)

Telnaior (28 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (intentionally causing trouble several times)
+1 Corona (cool newbie)

[New Week]

PSS (20 Nov 2017)
-1 nichdel (for inactivity)
+1 ATMunn (for improving upon ADoP report)

[New Week]

ATMunn (16 Nov 2017)
-1 ATMunn (pushing boundaries of karma)
+1 G. (pushing boundaries of karma)

V.J. Rada 15 Nov 2017)
-1 Quazie (for inactivity)
+1 Alexis (innovative timely rulekeepor)

Telnaior (15 Nov 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (being a contrarian)
+1 Alexis (Telnaior's favourite large proposal)

[Last Report Wed Nov 15]
[New Week]

G. (12 Nov 2017)
-1 天火狐 (for a low-effort newspaper report).
+1 omd (for quick response to Distributor directives).

ATMunn (6 Nov 2017)
-1 ATMunn (for forgetting to state quorum on Decision initiations).
+1 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus (for putting up with such mistakes).


[New Week]


G. (3 Nov 17)
-1 Murphy (for being a near-Zombie).
+1 Alexis (for putting the time into this thesis).

ATMunn (30 Oct 2017)
-1 omd (can't think of anyone else to lose karma and e is inactive).
+1 Trigon (for seeming to do really well so far at publishing rulesets).

Alexis (30 Oct 2017)
-1 Alexis (for introducing such a silly pedantic bug into the ruleset).
+1 ATMunn (for putting up with it).

Telnaior (30 Oct 2017)
-1 CuddleBeam (for attempting to game the karma system).
+1 Aris (for putting in a valiant effort as Promotor during busy period).

V.J. Rada (30 Oct 2017)
-1 Bayushi (for inactivity).
+1 Alexis (for having to judge my stupid cfjs).


[New Week]


Telnaior (29 Oct 2017)
-1 ProofTechnique (for not existing but having more karma than other
inactives).
+1 天火狐 (for creating a very cool contract).

o (27 Oct 17)
-1 CuddleBeam (for generally being contrarian)
+1 G. (for producing a magnificent judgement)

Alexis (25 Oct 17)
-1 CuddleBeam (for objecting to deregistration making karma-sinks)
+1 nichdel (for jumping right back in)

PSS (25 Oct 17)
-1 CuddleBeam (for confusing nichdel and being a contrarian)
+1 天火狐 (for being a fun player and pushing boundaries with language)

Nichdel (25 Oct 17)
-1 PSS (for being a contrarian)
+1 o (for being the best at what e does)

Trigon (25 Oct 17)
-1 Ienpw III (for being inactive)
+1 ATMunn (for being a fantastic active new player)

ATMunn (25 Oct 17)
-1 Ienpw III (for being inactive)
+1 o (for being honest, hardworking and generally awesome player)

Aris (25 Oct 17)
-1 ProofTechnique (for being inactive)
+1 Trigon (for being a new active player)

V.J. Rada (25 Oct 17)
-1 omd (for being inactive)
+1 Telnaior (cool that V.J. Rada brought em back and being clever)

G. (24 Oct 17)
-1 V.J. Rada (making a deputization mess)
+1 o (for being the one to clean up messes)


[New Week]


Telnaior (22 Oct 17)
-1 Gaelan (for slack Rulekeeping)
+1 Alexis (for being helpful)

Alexis (22 Oct 17)
-1 CuddleBeam (for blocking deregistrations of inactives)
+1 Telnaior (for coming back with vigour)

V.J. Rada (22 Oct 17)
-1 Murphy (being inactive)
+1 ATMunn (for being a good player, and proposals)

G. (22 Oct 2017)
-1 V.J. Rada (random choice), +1 ATMunn (good first proposal).


~Corona

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Aris Merchant 
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 4:00 PM Alex Smith  wrote:

> On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 10:55 +1100, Madeline wrote:
> > On 2017-12-11 03:54, Corona wrote:
> > > I cause ACU to transfer to me 5-(no. of Agora's shinies) shinies,
> > > destroying ten times that number of bills.
> > "Number of Agora's shinies" isn't something I'm expected to know. ;_;
>
> It strikes me that it might be a good idea to just ban conditional
> actions altogether (via proposal), apart from conditional voting (which
> is separate in the rules anyway, and has proven to be helpful as an
> anti-game-theory measure).
>
> Right now they're mostly being used as a way to push work from players
> onto officers, which is not really a good thing given how hard office
> work can be.
>
> When we used to do an action that might fail, we just did it (and then
> stated the circumstances under which it would fail). At least then
> messing around with potentially failing actions had some sort of risk
> for the person who was doing it, encouraging them to verify that it
> worked beforehand.
>
> --
> ais523



> I would strongly oppose a flat ban on conditional actions. Hopefully the
judicial system can work out something reasonable, and if not I'm sure we
can legislate some restrictions. Basic conditional actions are useful,
although I agree that the trend towards "I just don't want to do work" is
worrying.

-Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Alex Smith 
On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 10:55 +1100, Madeline wrote:
> On 2017-12-11 03:54, Corona wrote:
> > I cause ACU to transfer to me 5-(no. of Agora's shinies) shinies,
> > destroying ten times that number of bills.
> "Number of Agora's shinies" isn't something I'm expected to know. ;_;

It strikes me that it might be a good idea to just ban conditional
actions altogether (via proposal), apart from conditional voting (which
is separate in the rules anyway, and has proven to be helpful as an
anti-game-theory measure).

Right now they're mostly being used as a way to push work from players
onto officers, which is not really a good thing given how hard office
work can be.

When we used to do an action that might fail, we just did it (and then
stated the circumstances under which it would fail). At least then
messing around with potentially failing actions had some sort of risk
for the person who was doing it, encouraging them to verify that it
worked beforehand.

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread ATMunn 

What would be an example of a "basic" conditional action?

On 12/10/2017 7:04 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 4:00 PM Alex Smith  wrote:


On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 10:55 +1100, Madeline wrote:

On 2017-12-11 03:54, Corona wrote:

I cause ACU to transfer to me 5-(no. of Agora's shinies) shinies,
destroying ten times that number of bills.

"Number of Agora's shinies" isn't something I'm expected to know. ;_;


It strikes me that it might be a good idea to just ban conditional
actions altogether (via proposal), apart from conditional voting (which
is separate in the rules anyway, and has proven to be helpful as an
anti-game-theory measure).

Right now they're mostly being used as a way to push work from players
onto officers, which is not really a good thing given how hard office
work can be.

When we used to do an action that might fail, we just did it (and then
stated the circumstances under which it would fail). At least then
messing around with potentially failing actions had some sort of risk
for the person who was doing it, encouraging them to verify that it
worked beforehand.

--
ais523





I would strongly oppose a flat ban on conditional actions. Hopefully the

judicial system can work out something reasonable, and if not I'm sure we
can legislate some restrictions. Basic conditional actions are useful,
although I agree that the trend towards "I just don't want to do work" is
worrying.

-Aris

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Weekly Report

2017-12-10 Thread Aris Merchant 
If this proposal is not already pending, I pend it for 1 AP. If I have not
already done so, I call this case for 5 shinies. If Alexis has been awarded
a card, I point my finger at the Referee.

-Aris

On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 4:13 PM ATMunn  wrote:

> What would be an example of a "basic" conditional action?
>
> On 12/10/2017 7:04 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 4:00 PM Alex Smith 
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 2017-12-11 at 10:55 +1100, Madeline wrote:
> >>> On 2017-12-11 03:54, Corona wrote:
>  I cause ACU to transfer to me 5-(no. of Agora's shinies) shinies,
>  destroying ten times that number of bills.
> >>> "Number of Agora's shinies" isn't something I'm expected to know. ;_;
> >>
> >> It strikes me that it might be a good idea to just ban conditional
> >> actions altogether (via proposal), apart from conditional voting (which
> >> is separate in the rules anyway, and has proven to be helpful as an
> >> anti-game-theory measure).
> >>
> >> Right now they're mostly being used as a way to push work from players
> >> onto officers, which is not really a good thing given how hard office
> >> work can be.
> >>
> >> When we used to do an action that might fail, we just did it (and then
> >> stated the circumstances under which it would fail). At least then
> >> messing around with potentially failing actions had some sort of risk
> >> for the person who was doing it, encouraging them to verify that it
> >> worked beforehand.
> >>
> >> --
> >> ais523
> >
> >
> >
> >> I would strongly oppose a flat ban on conditional actions. Hopefully the
> > judicial system can work out something reasonable, and if not I'm sure we
> > can legislate some restrictions. Basic conditional actions are useful,
> > although I agree that the trend towards "I just don't want to do work" is
> > worrying.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
>