DIS: [FRC] Delays Again

2019-08-03 Thread Aris Merchant
Hello all! OOC: I technically have everything ready, and could start the tournament literally right now. That said, I'm going to be driving home from a vacation tomorrow, and wouldn't have the time to get things started properly. So I'm thinking to wait till tomorrow evening. IC: Agora is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3761 Assigned to G.

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
1. A party to this contract CAN cease being a contract by announcement. Whoops, just realized I wrote this. I cease being a contract :P (this does nothing, doubly so because this isn't to the public forum).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3764 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/3/19 7:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: We added "rules to the contrary notwithstanding" to R2140 to solve that - but R2140 still only applies to instruments below power-3. How does that solve the problem? If I understand the issue correctly, the power-1 rule wouldn't be blocked by R2140,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Sustained Worship

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/4/19 12:56 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: [This is not a challenge, and is not sent to the public forum] By my reading, by this rule each contest message must contain one message _per Agoran God_. Is there a defined set of Agoran Gods anywhere? Because if not, there might be an issue. Never

Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo

2019-08-03 Thread James Cook
> Okay, a few things. > > * Defining “unconditional announcement” is probably overkill; any sane > judge would arrive at that that anyway, and it adds a bit to bloat. > * You should probably say "Roshambo Score is an integer player switch" (R > 2509) > * You should probably say "increased by 1"

Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo

2019-08-03 Thread James Cook
> Random "I" after "then at time T". > > Jason Cobb Thanks, should be fixed in the draft I just published. -- - Falsifian

Re: Cheap first wins (Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo)

2019-08-03 Thread James Cook
On Fri, 2 Aug 2019 at 21:04, Kerim Aydin wrote: > Actually, I wonder if we should think about some kind of "debugging" > mechanism for victories. Something like "when a win method is first > implemented (some mechanism, probably involving Agoran Consent, for > figuring out whether the first win

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3764 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-08-03 Thread Nich Evans
On 8/3/19 2:16 PM, D. Margaux wrote: In my opinion, a proposal "purporting to register nch" would constitute an attempt to have nch "be registered" less than 30 days after his voluntary deregistration. That attempt necessarily fails under Rule 849. Please use spivak or gender neutral 'they'

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3764 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-08-03 Thread Nich Evans
On 8/3/19 2:36 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 8/3/2019 12:16 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > Judged FALSE. NCH voluntarily deregistered less than 30 days ago. Under > Rule 849, if a player does that, then "e CANNOT register or be registered > for 30 days." In my opinion, a proposal "purporting to register

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3764 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-08-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 8/3/2019 4:42 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 8/3/19 7:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> We added "rules to the contrary notwithstanding" to >> R2140 to solve that - but R2140 still only applies to instruments below >> power-3. > > > How does that solve the problem? If I understand the issue

DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] Sustained Worship

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/4/19 12:49 AM, Reuben Staley wrote: I create the following Fantasy Rule: { The final paragraph of each contest message shall contain a message of praise to each Agoran God mentioned previously in a contest message, plus one not mentioned previously. } [This is not a challenge, and is

Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/4/19 1:23 AM, James Cook wrote: Whenever a player has not done so in the past 4 days, e CAN Commune with the Wheel by announcement, specifying Rock, Paper or Scissors. A player CAN Reach into the Past by announcement at any time. If a player Communes the Wheel

DIS: Re: BUS: [FRC] I submit myself to the Agoran Gods!

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/4/19 12:24 AM, Rebecca wrote: I submit myself to the Agoran Gods! I join the FRC and create the following rule O Hark, the commandments of the LORD are upon us! The LORD demanding the respect he deserves, the LORD hereby decrees that all references to Agoran Gods shall refer to em in ALL

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3764 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-08-03 Thread Nich Evans
On 8/3/19 2:16 PM, D. Margaux wrote: On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 8:14 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: The below CFJ is 3764. I assign it to D. Margaux. === CFJ 3764 === If a proposal purporting to register nch was adopted now, then one

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3764 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-08-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 8/3/2019 3:57 PM, Nich Evans wrote: >> R849 clearly prohibits the registration. The "Comptrollor" ban we added >> in R2140 recently to prevent lower-powered rules from prohibiting proposal >> clauses in higher-powered proposals doesn't apply, because R2140 includes >> the "below the power

DIS: Re: BUS: Ratification CFJ

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/3/19 9:58 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: Excerpt from Rule 2202 ("Ratification Without Objection"): Any player CAN, without objection, ratify a public document, specifying its scope. Whoops, I changed the statement while I was drafting and I no longer actually use this as evidence. H. Arbitor,

Re: DIS: Clairvoyant Roshambo

2019-08-03 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 10:31 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > On 8/4/19 1:23 AM, James Cook wrote: > >Whenever a player has not done so in the past 4 days, e CAN > >Commune with the Wheel by announcement, specifying Rock, Paper or > >Scissors. A player CAN Reach into the Past by

DIS: Email change

2019-08-03 Thread Nich Evans
In a decluttering effort, I'm going to start using this address. -- Nich Evans

Re: DIS: Email change

2019-08-03 Thread nch
On 8/3/19 9:08 AM, Nich Evans wrote: In a decluttering effort, I'm going to start using this address. Confirming that I sent the above message.

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement in CFJ 3765

2019-08-03 Thread Nich Evans
On 8/3/19 10:39 AM, Nich Evans wrote: On 8/3/19 10:12 AM, D. Margaux wrote: On Aug 2, 2019, at 11:27 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: The caller also provides this as an example: "Repeal Rule 1698 (Ossification). Enact a power 100 rule that procides, 'It is IMPOSSIBLE to change the Rules, rules

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement in CFJ 3765

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
Sorry, sent this too early. Another email coming soon. Jason Cobb On 8/3/19 11:16 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: On 8/3/19 11:12 AM, D. Margaux wrote: The Ossification rule says "arbitrary rule changes to be made and/or arbitrary proposals to be adopted"--that's plural changeS/proposalS. Based on

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3765 Assigned to Jason Cobb

2019-08-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 8/2/2019 6:10 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > I don't need to make anything up, the answer to the question of what a > rule change is lies in R105. There is some ambiguity in R105 in terms of "compound" rule changes within a single Rule, though it may not be relevant to your CFJ at all. For

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3761 Assigned to G.

2019-08-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
===  CFJ 3761 ===     A party to the contract in evidence CAN create a gift by some     method. == Proto-judgement (used up my Motion so want to proto

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3764 Assigned to D. Margaux

2019-08-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 8/3/2019 12:16 PM, D. Margaux wrote: > Judged FALSE. NCH voluntarily deregistered less than 30 days ago. Under > Rule 849, if a player does that, then "e CANNOT register or be registered > for 30 days." In my opinion, a proposal "purporting to register nch" would > constitute an attempt to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3761 Assigned to G.

2019-08-03 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 8/3/2019 11:06 AM, Jason Cobb wrote: > On 8/3/19 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> In the current situation, Clause 3 of the contract successfully defines a >> currency. By default (if there were no further clauses), the POSSIBLE >> currency actions are in R2577, and include destruction and

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement in CFJ 3765

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/3/19 11:12 AM, D. Margaux wrote: The Ossification rule says "arbitrary rule changes to be made and/or arbitrary proposals to be adopted"--that's plural changeS/proposalS. Based on the text of the rule, Agora is Ossified if there is a combination of rule changes and/or proposals that

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement in CFJ 3765

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/3/19 11:12 AM, D. Margaux wrote: The Ossification rule says "arbitrary rule changes to be made and/or arbitrary proposals to be adopted"--that's plural changeS/proposalS. Based on the text of the rule, Agora is Ossified if there is a combination of rule changes and/or proposals that are

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement in CFJ 3765

2019-08-03 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sat, 2019-08-03 at 11:12 -0400, D. Margaux wrote: > 2c. Enact a rule of power sufficient to give effect to its terms > that states: > > "Any attempt to enact this rule is IMPOSSIBLE." That example isn't impossible to enact even in the present gamestate. You could write a proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3761 Assigned to G.

2019-08-03 Thread Jason Cobb
On 8/3/19 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: In the current situation, Clause 3 of the contract successfully defines a currency.  By default (if there were no further clauses), the POSSIBLE currency actions are in R2577, and include destruction and transfer of currencies by announcement, but not

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement in CFJ 3765

2019-08-03 Thread Nich Evans
On 8/3/19 10:12 AM, D. Margaux wrote: On Aug 2, 2019, at 11:27 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: The caller also provides this as an example: "Repeal Rule 1698 (Ossification). Enact a power 100 rule that procides, 'It is IMPOSSIBLE to change the Rules, rules to the contrary notwithstanding.'"

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement in CFJ 3765

2019-08-03 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sat, 2019-08-03 at 16:19 +, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > On Sat, 2019-08-03 at 11:12 -0400, D. Margaux wrote: > > 2c. Enact a rule of power sufficient to give effect to its > > terms > > that states: > > > > "Any attempt to enact this rule is IMPOSSIBLE." > > That example

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: No August zombie auction for now

2019-08-03 Thread Cuddle Beam
Hello my bruddah and sistahs, please make way for my infinite swagger: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 6:04 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On 8/1/2019 8:48 AM, James Cook wrote: > > On Thu, 1 Aug 2019 at 15:46, James Cook wrote: > >> > >> No zombie auction is

Re: DIS: Draft Judgement in CFJ 3765

2019-08-03 Thread D. Margaux
> On Aug 2, 2019, at 11:27 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: > > The caller also provides this as an example: > >> "Repeal Rule 1698 (Ossification). >> Enact a power 100 rule that procides, 'It is IMPOSSIBLE to change the Rules, >> rules to the contrary notwithstanding.'" > > Again, this is not a rule