Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 16:20 -0400, Quazie wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: By the way, I really, really, really, really don't think that Cards and Notes (in current complexity) should exist at the same time. -G. I believe notes should die.

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2009-05-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 18:56 -0600, Sean Hunt wrote: Manuel Lanctot wrote: I register. ~Manu I award Manu a White Ribbon. Fails, e's been a player before. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Proto: Just my opinion

2009-05-14 Thread comex
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: I feel like distributions are currently really hard to parse as it is when there are tons of proposals, this proto would potentially increase the length of distributions N fold, where N is the number of players.  Its

Re: DIS: Proto: Just my opinion

2009-05-14 Thread Taral
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 5:26 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I was hoping people would restrain themselves to short paragraphs, but 100 words works too, and perhaps man.  Hopefully in most cases an opinion would just be a sentence or so-- breaks 6 Months Long Service or potential scam

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Taral
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: As far as I can tell, there's a rough a-d consensus that Notes should be killed the day after Agora's Birthday and replaced with something different. Cards would make quite a good something different, IMO. Sounds good to me.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the following proposal entitled And then there was silence, AI=2 please, with the following body: Repeal rule 2126 the day after agora's birthday. Unless this is retroactive to the last birthday, that's a no-op

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: I submit a new proposal entitled And then there was silence. ai=2 with the following body: proposal Append the following to R2126: The day after agora's birthday 2009 this rule repeal's itself. /proposal Rules 2228 and 2229 also need to be updated.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Sean Hunt
Quazie wrote: I retract the above proposal. I submit a new proposal entitled And then there was silence. ai=2 with the following body: proposal Append the following to R2126: The day after agora's birthday 2009 this rule repeal's itself. /proposal I will only vote for this if something

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: a better way to phase out notes

2009-05-14 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/5/14 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com I submit the following AI-2 Proposal entitled Party Time {{ Amend Rule 2126, removing: (6) During Agora's Birthday, a player CAN spend Notes forming the melody Happy Birthday (GGAGCB GGAGDC GGGECBA FFECDC or a translation

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: a better way to phase out notes

2009-05-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's good, but maybe we should only be able to create one party hat each. Some people will have a lot of wins otherwise... Seems unlikely; it takes 25 notes to play Happy Birthday, and only 4 players have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: a better way to phase out notes

2009-05-14 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/5/14 Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's good, but maybe we should only be able to create one party hat each. Some people will have a lot of wins otherwise... Seems unlikely; it takes 25

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: a better way to phase out notes

2009-05-14 Thread Quazie
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the following AI-2 Proposal entitled Party Time {{ Amend Rule 2126, removing:      (6) During Agora's Birthday, a player CAN spend Notes forming          the melody Happy Birthday (GGAGCB GGAGDC GGGECBA

DIS: Re: BUS: Forming the IBA

2009-05-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:16 AM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: }} I initiate a Motion to Amend the IBA, with the following amendment: ... parties. If this contract is ever not a player, any person CAN act on its behalf to intend to register and CAN act on its behalf to register. AGAINST, I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Quazie wrote: I submit the following proposal entitled And then there was silence, AI=2 please, with the following body: Repeal rule 2126 the day after agora's birthday. Please retract this. It's most appropriate to do this in combination with the new thing, that is,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Quazie wrote: I retract the above proposal. I submit a new proposal entitled And then there was silence. ai=2 with the following body: proposal Append the following to R2126: The day after agora's birthday 2009 this rule repeal's itself. /proposal

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: a better way to phase out notes

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: [[Creates a way for players saving Notes for a long time to win on Agora's Birthday without making us wait a month and a half to replace Notes, although people who are close to having the required Notes will probably want to hold up completely

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2500 assigned to Rodlen

2009-05-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2500 ==  CFJ 2500  ==    A player who does not deregister in the interval becomes a    Senator exactly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: a better way to phase out notes

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: This doesn't help either against destroying notes early, if someone's been planning the win for a while but still needs a few more weeks of notes. Why complicate things and what's the hurry? I personally don't support any repeal of notes before the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: a better way to phase out notes

2009-05-14 Thread Quazie
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: This doesn't help either against destroying notes early, if someone's been planning the win for a while but still needs a few more weeks of notes.  Why complicate things and

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2500 assigned to Rodlen

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2500 ==  CFJ 2500  ==    A player who does not deregister in

DIS: Re: BUS: [IBA] Actions Report

2009-05-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:43, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: I initiate a Motion to Amend, specifying the following amendments (in diff format).  The eligible voters are the parties to the contract, the options are FOR, AGAINST, and PRESENT, and I am the vote collector.  I vote FOR the Motion

DIS: Re: BUS: [AAA] Banking for non-Farmers

2009-05-14 Thread Quazie
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:53 PM, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: I intend, without 3 Objections, to make the following changes to the AAA contract: {{ In Section 4, remove Ownership of Crops is restricted to Farmers. In Section 10, remove Ownership of Water Rights Vouchers is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [AAA] Banking for non-Farmers

2009-05-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: Could we restrict it to people?  Players?  Something? Players wouldn't solve IBA's issue. On the other hand, I probably don't want to have to track what crops some random person transferred to a small teacup in orbit around

DIS: Re: BUS: Brakes tapping II

2009-05-14 Thread Quazie
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I submit the following proposal, Tap the Brakes, AI-2 please: coauthor: ais523 [Proposals cost something from 2000-2007, were free since then.  It

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [AAA] Banking for non-Farmers

2009-05-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:15, Geoffrey Spear geoffsp...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: Could we restrict it to people?  Players?  Something? Players wouldn't solve IBA's issue.  On the other hand, I probably don't want to have to track

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brakes tapping II

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Quazie wrote: This means that i set up a cron job to make my controversial proposals distributable just before the week begins. Sure if you want, no-one bothered to do that before (same system) but just like any other rule where time limits matter, a quick hand or cron job

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brakes tapping II

2009-05-14 Thread Quazie
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009, Quazie wrote: This means that i set up a cron job to make my controversial proposals distributable just before the week begins. Sure if you want, no-one bothered to do that before (same system)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [AAA] Banking for non-Farmers

2009-05-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the asset rule restricted ownership to persons? Nope. It doesn't even restrict recordkeepors to persons. I don't think any other rule uses entity more often.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brakes tapping II

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Quazie wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009, Quazie wrote: This means that i set up a cron job to make my controversial proposals distributable just before the week begins. Sure if you want, no-one

DIS: Agoran-Recognition-Proto

2009-05-14 Thread Quazie
I submit a proto-proposal entitled Agora-recognition AI = 2 with the following body: proposal Create a rule with Power=2 with the following text: For a person to be an Agora-Recognized person one of the following must be true: a) The person is part of a Player's Basis b) The person was once an

Re: DIS: Agoran-Recognition-Proto

2009-05-14 Thread Quazie
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: I submit a proto-proposal entitled Agora-recognition AI = 2 with the following body: proposal Create a rule with Power=2 with the following text: For a person to be an Agora-Recognized person one of the following must be

Re: DIS: Agoran-Recognition-Proto

2009-05-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: Also Replace      The recordkeepor of a class of assets is the entity (if any)      defined as such by, and bound by, its backing document.  That      entity's report includes a list of all instances of that class      and

DIS: Re: BUS: Rule Refactor for rules I think we don't need.

2009-05-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: I submit a proposal AI=2 entitled Why are these two office rules? I submit a proposal AI=2 entitled Can't we all win in one place with I submit an AI = 2 proposal entitled One less game rule with the Because the rules you would eliminate don't need to be protected at Power=2.

RE: DIS: Re: BUS: [AAA] Banking for non-Farmers

2009-05-14 Thread Alexander Smith
Wooble wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the asset rule restricted ownership to persons? Nope. It doesn't even restrict recordkeepors to persons. I don't think any other rule uses entity more often. This is even useful on occasion; for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [AAA] Banking for non-Farmers

2009-05-14 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 14:16, Alexander Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Wooble wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Roger Hicks pidge...@gmail.com wrote: I thought the asset rule restricted ownership to persons? Nope.  It doesn't even restrict recordkeepors to persons.  I don't think any

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution 6275-6300 Report

2009-05-14 Thread Aaron Goldfein
6299 First-class Only D 2.0 1 Yally AGAINST. I'd be willing to let PNP try again personally... PNP can still run for office, e just can't vote. Otherwise, as it is, Quazie is effectively voting twice.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2494 assigned to Quazie

2009-05-14 Thread Benjamin Caplan
I opine AFFIRM in CFJ 2494, accepting the arguments of Appellants Murphy and Goethe. Pavitra signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2494 assigned to Quazie

2009-05-14 Thread Sean Hunt
Benjamin Caplan wrote: I opine AFFIRM in CFJ 2494, accepting the arguments of Appellants Murphy and Goethe. Pavitra NttPF

DIS: Re: BUS: [Cookie Jar] Report

2009-05-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: I guess 20 proposals and 30 CFJs. You already did, about 2 days earlier.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution 6275-6300 Report

2009-05-14 Thread Quazie
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: 6299  First-class Only                           D  2.0  1   Yally AGAINST.  I'd be willing to let PNP try again personally... PNP can still run for office, e just can't

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brakes tapping II

2009-05-14 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009, Quazie wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009, Quazie wrote: This means that i set up a cron job to make my controversial

DIS: Re: BUS: HP2 linked

2009-05-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: I perform the following actions on behalf of hp2: hp2 I submit the following linked CFJs on behalf of Hp2: Human Point Two is the caller of this CFJ OscarMeyr is a caller of this CFJ Quazie is a caller of this CFJ /hp2 All ineffective. An inquiry case CAN be initiated by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution 6275-6300 Report

2009-05-14 Thread Elliott Hird
Why not kill a shill partnership? On 2009-05-15, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Thu, 14 May 2009, Aaron Goldfein wrote: 6299 First-class Only D 2.0 1 Yally AGAINST. I'd be

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2500 assigned to Rodlen

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
In Thu, 14 May 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Rodlen wrote: CFJ 2500 Judgment: FALSE. Yes, yes we do. See my recent judgment on CFJ2501. I intend, with two support, to appeal this judgment. Wooble's arguments as used by judge Rodlen do not conflict with yours in CFJ 2501. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2500 assigned to Rodlen

2009-05-14 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: In Thu, 14 May 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Rodlen wrote: CFJ 2500 Judgment: FALSE. Yes, yes we do. See my recent judgment on CFJ2501. I intend, with two support, to appeal this judgment. Wooble's arguments as used by judge Rodlen do not conflict with yours in CFJ 2501.

DIS: Re: BUS: Forming the IBA

2009-05-14 Thread Warrigal
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:35 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: A person CAN deposit an asset by transferring it to the IBA; e then gains the Effective Rate in zorkmids. The Effective Rate for a deposit is its Rate, multiplied by a value depending on the number of previous deposits made in the

Re: DIS: Card Proto

2009-05-14 Thread Sean Hunt
Kerim Aydin wrote: Create the following Rule, The Cabinet, power 2: The following are defined unique position cards classes of the Government party: Title: Default Officeholder. Position: The holder of Default Officeholder CAN become holder

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: HP2 linked

2009-05-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: I CFJ on the following statement In a message sent on may 14th, in which Quazie acted on behalf of Human Point Two, CFJs were initiated Evidence: CFJ 2050 Gratuitous evidence: The message in question: { I perform the following actions on behalf of hp2: hp2 I submit the