DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora, Nov 2021

[nix via agora-discussion]

On 11/13/21 6:41 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Nov 2021, nix via agora-official wrote:
>
>> ===
>>    THE SCROLL OF AGORA
>>      ===
> [snip]
>>    ---
>>    NEWS
>>    ---
>>
>>      Name for tris' titles updated.
> Assuming I'm interpreting correctly, you missed one.
>
> [snip]
>>   Badge of the Great Agoran Revival [May 2017]
>>    (awarded to Agoran persons from May 2017)
>>   tmanthe2nd, G., CuddleBeam, Ienpw III, nix, Alexis,
>>   o, Ørjan, Aris, Murphy, Quazie,
>>   Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Sprocklem, Veggiekeks,
>>   Roujo, ais523, Gaelan, 天火狐, grok
> [snip]
>
> Greetings,
> Ørjan.

Good catch, fixed on the online version and will be fixed in the next
report. Thanks!

--
nix
Herald

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora, Nov 2021

[Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion]

On Sat, 13 Nov 2021, nix via agora-official wrote:


===
  THE SCROLL OF AGORA
    ===

[snip]

  ---
  NEWS
  ---

    Name for tris' titles updated.


Assuming I'm interpreting correctly, you missed one.

[snip]

 Badge of the Great Agoran Revival [May 2017]
  (awarded to Agoran persons from May 2017)
 tmanthe2nd, G., CuddleBeam, Ienpw III, nix, Alexis,
 o, Ørjan, Aris, Murphy, Quazie,
 Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Sprocklem, Veggiekeks,
 Roujo, ais523, Gaelan, 天火狐, grok

[snip]

Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Aris Merchant via agora-discussion]

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 3:06 PM Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote:
>
> [snip a _whole_ lot]
> >>> === END OF REPORT ===
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> nix
> >>> Webmastor, Ministor, Herald
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Important COE: Jason was awarded a doctorate of nomic science
> >> --
> >> From R. Lee
> >>
> >
> > In fact, you awarded it to em.
> > --
> >> From R. Lee
>
> Hi all, I may be slowly working my way up to reading Agora mail again...
> or not.
>
> Yesterday I saw you apologize for not bottom posting, and then I deleted
> that post before I realized that I wanted to complain :P
>
> I think the true spirit of us old-timers' admonition to bottom post is not
> just about bottom posting, but about wanting the old style of email where
> people actually edit away unnecessary cruft from messages they reply to,
> keeping just enough context to make their own part look like intertwined
> responses to particular points, and saving the readers from having to page
> through all the rest.
>
> And that apology of yours made me realize: when you absolutely won't
> remove unnecessary parts from a long replied-to message, then bottom
> posting is actually slightly _more_ annoying than top posting, although in
> a "the greater sin has already been committed anyway" sense.
>
> Greetings,
> Ørjan, who now wonders how much of this is only because he's still using
> a terminal mail reader.


Heyo Ørjan! Great to see you in Agora again!

Aris

>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Ørjan Johansen via agora-discussion]

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021, Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion wrote:

[snip a _whole_ lot]

=== END OF REPORT ===

--
nix
Webmastor, Ministor, Herald



Important COE: Jason was awarded a doctorate of nomic science
--
From R. Lee



In fact, you awarded it to em.
--

From R. Lee


Hi all, I may be slowly working my way up to reading Agora mail again... 
or not.


Yesterday I saw you apologize for not bottom posting, and then I deleted 
that post before I realized that I wanted to complain :P


I think the true spirit of us old-timers' admonition to bottom post is not 
just about bottom posting, but about wanting the old style of email where 
people actually edit away unnecessary cruft from messages they reply to, 
keeping just enough context to make their own part look like intertwined 
responses to particular points, and saving the readers from having to page 
through all the rest.


And that apology of yours made me realize: when you absolutely won't 
remove unnecessary parts from a long replied-to message, then bottom 
posting is actually slightly _more_ annoying than top posting, although in 
a "the greater sin has already been committed anyway" sense.


Greetings,
Ørjan, who now wonders how much of this is only because he's still using 
a terminal mail reader.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Rebecca Lee via agora-discussion]

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 4:25 PM Rebecca Lee 
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:46 AM nix via agora-official <
> agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> ===
>>   THE SCROLL OF AGORA
>> ===
>>
>> Herald's Monthly Report
>> June 15, 2021
>>
>>   ---
>>  NEWS
>>   ---
>>
>> Falsifian has won by collecting 5 stones and wielding the
>>   gauntlet. Recorded here as via Gauntlet.
>>
>> Falsifian has won by Economic Takeover.
>>
>>   Gaelan has won by transcending logic, recorded here
>>  as Paradox.
>>
>> Aris has won by Proposal.
>>
>> nix has been awarded a Silver Quill for the year 2020, for
>>proposal 8408 (Sets v1.4).
>>
>> Aris has been awarded a Silver Quill for the year 2020, for
>> proposal 8514 (The Buoyant Economy).
>>
>>   ---
>>   CHAMPION by
>>   ---
>>   Anarchy: Alexis
>>Apathy: ais523, Aris, babelian, Bayushi, D. Margaux,
>>Gaelan (x2), grok, Ienpw III, Murphy, nix, o,
>>omd, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Quazie,
>>R. Lee, Sprocklem, tmanthe2nd, twg, Veggiekeks,
>>Warrigal, 天火狐
>> Cards: G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root, Taral
>>   Champion*(11/6): Kelly
>>Champion*(3/2): Chuck, Kelly, Steve
>>Champion*(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
>>Troublemaker at Large, Wes
>>Champion*(5/3): Kelly, Steve
>>Champion*(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen, Morendil, Steve,
>>Swann, Troublemaker at Large
>> Clout: ais523, Alexis
>> Economic Takeover: Cuddlebeam, Falsifian
>>  Election: G.
>>Escape: omd
>>  Gauntlet: Falsifian
>>High Score: ais523 (x3), Alexis (x2), BobTHJ, Cuddlebeam,
>>Elysion, Falsifian, G. (x2), Jason, Levi,
>>Murphy (x3), omd (x4), Pavitra, root, Steve,
>>Tiger, Trigon, twg (x2), Walker, Wooble
>> Junta: ais523 (x2), Alexis, G., nix, omd (x2),
>>OscarMeyr, the AFO
>>Leadership: ais523
>> Lotto: Alexis, omd
>>Maniac: Craig, root
>>  Musicianship: ais523, omd, Tiger, Wooble, Zefram
>>   Paradox: ais523, Alexis, BobTHJ (x2), Bucky (x2), ehird,
>>G. (x2), Gaelan, Murphy, omd, root
>>  Politics: Aris, D. Margaux (x2)
>>  Proposal: ais523 (x4), Alexis (x3), allispaul, Andon,
>>Andre (x3), Aris, BobTHJ, Bucky, Canada,
>>Cuddlebeam, D. Margaux (x501), G. (x2),
>>Human Point Two, Morendil, Murphy, omd (x2),
>>Spitemaster, Steve (x3), Tiger, Trigon, twg,
>>woggle, Yally
>>   Renaissance: ais523, Alexis (x3), G. (x3), Jason, Murphy, twg
>>   Rulebending: G., Jason, nix
>>  Solitude: ais523 (x2), Alexis (x2), omd
>>   Spaaace: Falsifian, Jason (x1000)
>>Tournament: Aris, ATMunn, G., grok, Jason (x2), OscarMeyr,
>>Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, root, Taral,
>>Wooble
>>   Unspecified: Blob, Chuck, Dave Bowen, elJefe, favor, Garth,
>>General Chaos, Ian, Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael,
>>Ørjan, Steve, Swann, t, Timothy,
>>Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel (x2), Wes (x2)
>>  Via Ratification: The President
>>
>>
>>  
>>  ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>>  
>>  GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>>   Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter,
>>   Michael Norrish
>>
>> HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>>   Murphy, G., omd
>>
>>  
>>  HIGHER EDUCATION
>>  
>> Associate of Nomic Artistry (A.N.A.):Aris, Cuddlebeam
>> Associate of Nomic (A.N.):   G., Alexis, twg
>> Juris 

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora (March 3rd 2021)

[nix via agora-discussion]

On Saturday, March 6, 2021 11:35:59 AM CST nix via agora-official wrote:
>===
>  THE SCROLL OF AGORA
>===
> 
>Herald's Monthly Report
>March 06, 2021

Sorry about the inaccuracy in the subject line. This is for the 6th of march, 
not 3rd.

-- 
nix
Ministor, Herald, Webmastor

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion]

On 6/22/2020 3:47 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> On 6/22/20 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 3:40 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
>> agora-official  wrote:
>>>  SILVER QUILLS
>>> Alexis (2014/13), ais523 (2015/07), G. (2019)
>>>
>>>  WOODEN GAVELS
>>> Falsifian
>>>
>>>
>>
>> For G. and Falsifian's awards, I believe you need to be tracking the
>> proposals/CFJs for which they received them.
>>
>> -Aris
>>
> 
> That seems to be correct, so I have added it to the future reports. I've
> also gone ahead and added it to ais523's 2016 one because while I don't
> think it's required, I think it's good to have. Thanks for catching this
> before it's too hard!
>

Alexis's is:
*76293   Do Things (Major voting system reform/repeal)

adopted Apr 7 2014 here (includes full text):
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2014-April/032776.html

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion]

On 6/22/20 6:42 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 3:40 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
> agora-official  wrote:
>>  SILVER QUILLS
>> Alexis (2014/13), ais523 (2015/07), G. (2019)
>>
>>  WOODEN GAVELS
>> Falsifian
>>
>>
> 
> For G. and Falsifian's awards, I believe you need to be tracking the
> proposals/CFJs for which they received them.
> 
> -Aris
> 

That seems to be correct, so I have added it to the future reports. I've
also gone ahead and added it to ais523's 2016 one because while I don't
think it's required, I think it's good to have. Thanks for catching this
before it's too hard!

-- 

Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, Herald, Referee, Tailor, Pirate
Champion, Badge of the Great Agoran Revival, Badge of the Salted Earth

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Aris Merchant via agora-discussion]

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 3:40 AM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-official  wrote:
>  SILVER QUILLS
> Alexis (2014/13), ais523 (2015/07), G. (2019)
>
>  WOODEN GAVELS
> Falsifian
>
>

For G. and Falsifian's awards, I believe you need to be tracking the
proposals/CFJs for which they received them.

-Aris

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion]

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:34 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On 5/31/20 6:40 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official
> wrote:
> >===
> >  THE SCROLL OF AGORA
> >===
>
>
> Not self-ratifying, but some CoEs in spirit:
>
> Falsifian, G., and I were awarded Hard Labor at [0], but this is not listed.
>
> Falsifian was awarded Employee of the Year at [1], but this is not listed.
>
>
> [0]:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-April/042620.html
>
> [1]:
> https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-May/042738.html
>
> --
> Jason Cobb
>

Thanks! I've added these for the next report; I think that the second
happened while I was preparing the report, so wasn't caught in my
filter, but the first was simply an oversight on my part. My
apologies.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion]

On 5/31/2020 7:44 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On 5/31/2020 7:00 AM, Rebecca wrote:
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:56 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:47 AM Rebecca wrote:

 Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
 know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
 one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")

>>>
>>> Previously, it has been listed for some as by banner, but it is now
>>> listed as by Renaissance, in line with previous naming.
>>>
>>
>> I assume paying 1000 coins is listed as high score?
>>
>> I would prefer that there are more categories and that the categories make
>> it very clear what rule or system provided the victory, personally, but
>> thats a matter for you
>>
> 
> No argument either way for coin wins, just to point out there was a bit of
> discussion about this a couple months ago.  In the past, if we had a win
> type that was "accumulate N units by doing a range of Agoran things", the
> Herald categorizes it as a high score win (the original win condition).
> So Alexis decided that coins qualified.
> 
> It's really the most lumped of the specified win types because it covered
> several past systems with different names, I think all of the others
> categories are specific to the particular game/era (Tournament and
> Proposal wins combine different types of proposals and tournaments over
> the years, but the underlying mechanisms for those is the same at least).

Meant to add: In that discussion we also kind of agreed that if a future
herald went back and added the approximate era or other notes, to make the
rule or system "very clear", it would be a welcome addition!

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion]

On 5/31/2020 7:00 AM, Rebecca wrote:
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:56 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:47 AM Rebecca wrote:
>>>
>>> Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
>>> know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
>>> one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")
>>>
>>
>> Previously, it has been listed for some as by banner, but it is now
>> listed as by Renaissance, in line with previous naming.
>>
> 
> I assume paying 1000 coins is listed as high score?
> 
> I would prefer that there are more categories and that the categories make
> it very clear what rule or system provided the victory, personally, but
> thats a matter for you
> 

No argument either way for coin wins, just to point out there was a bit of
discussion about this a couple months ago.  In the past, if we had a win
type that was "accumulate N units by doing a range of Agoran things", the
Herald categorizes it as a high score win (the original win condition).
So Alexis decided that coins qualified.

It's really the most lumped of the specified win types because it covered
several past systems with different names, I think all of the others
categories are specific to the particular game/era (Tournament and
Proposal wins combine different types of proposals and tournaments over
the years, but the underlying mechanisms for those is the same at least).

-G.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Jason Cobb via agora-discussion]

On 5/31/20 6:40 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official
wrote:
>===
>  THE SCROLL OF AGORA
>===


Not self-ratifying, but some CoEs in spirit:

Falsifian, G., and I were awarded Hard Labor at [0], but this is not listed.

Falsifian was awarded Employee of the Year at [1], but this is not listed.


[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-April/042620.html

[1]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-May/042738.html

-- 
Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion]

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 10:00 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:56 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
> agora-discussion  wrote:
>
> > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:47 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
> > > know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
> > > one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")
> > >
> >
> > Previously, it has been listed for some as by banner, but it is now
> > listed as by Renaissance, in line with previous naming.
> >
>
> I assume paying 1000 coins is listed as high score?

Yes

>
> I would prefer that there are more categories and that the categories make
> it very clear what rule or system provided the victory, personally, but
> thats a matter for you

In general, we have avoided that because it would be necessarily
incomplete and the system is rather imprecise. Here's a similar
response from G. last year:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2019-January/039698.html

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Rebecca via agora-discussion]

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:56 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion  wrote:

> On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:47 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion
>  wrote:
> >
> > Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
> > know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
> > one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")
> >
>
> Previously, it has been listed for some as by banner, but it is now
> listed as by Renaissance, in line with previous naming.
>

I assume paying 1000 coins is listed as high score?

I would prefer that there are more categories and that the categories make
it very clear what rule or system provided the victory, personally, but
thats a matter for you
-- 
>From R. Lee

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion]

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 9:47 AM Rebecca via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
> know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
> one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")
>

Previously, it has been listed for some as by banner, but it is now
listed as by Renaissance, in line with previous naming.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Rebecca via agora-discussion]

Curiosity question, which win name do you get for winning by ribbons? I
know G. won that way last year but I don't know which name is the ribbon
one (there's no "ribbon" or "raising a banner")

On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 8:40 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-official  wrote:

>===
>  THE SCROLL OF AGORA
>===
>
>Herald's Monthly Report
> May 31, 2020
>
>  ---
>RECENT CHANGES
>  ---
>
>   On March 16, Telnaior was awarded the title of Left in a
> Huff
>   On April 27, G. was awarded the title of Silver Quill
> 2019
>   On April 27, Trigon was awarded the title of Champion,
> categorized as High Score
>   On May 6, the titles of Prince of Agora and Princess
> of Andorra were revoked from Alexis
>   On May 6, Alexis was awarded the titles of Prince of
> Andorra and Princess of Agora
>   On May 11, Falsifian was awarded the title of Wooden
> Gavel 2019
>   On May 22, R. Lee was awarded the title of Money
> Launderer
>
>  ---
>  CHAMPION by
>  ---
> Anarchy  Alexis
>  Apathy  ais523. Aris, Murphy, o, Sprocklem, Tenhigitsune,
>  Warrigal, Quazie, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus,
>  tmanthe2nd, Gaelan(x2), Ienpw III, Veggiekeks,
> omd,
>  R. Lee, Bayushi, nch, grok, babelian, twg,
>  D. Margaux
>   Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
>   Clout  ais523, Alexis
>Election  G.
>  Escape  omd
>  High Score  Elysion, G.(x2), Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
>  ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), Alexis(x2),
>  root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker,
>  Falsifian, twg(x2), Jason, CuddleBeam, Trigon
>   Junta  ais523(x2), the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
>  Alexis, nch
>  Leadership  ais523
>   Lotto  Alexis, omd
>  Maniac  Craig, root
>Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
> Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
>  Alexis, Bucky(x2), omd
>Politics  Aris, D. Margaux (x2)
>Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
>  Andre(x3), ais523(x4), Canada, Bucky, G.(x2),
>  omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul, Yally,
>  BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, Alexis(x3), Andon, twg,
>  CuddleBeam, Trigon, D. Margaux(x501)
> Renaissance  ais523, Alexis(x3), Murphy, G.(x2), twg
>Solitude  ais523(x2), Alexis(x2), omd
> Spaaace  Falsifian, Jason (x1000)
>  Tournament  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr, Aris
>  Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>Via Ratification  The President
> Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
>  Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
>  Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,
>  Timothy, Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel(x2),
>  Wes(x2). *(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen,
>  Morendil, Steve, Swann, Troublemaker at
>  Large; *(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
>  Troublemaker at Large, Wes; *(3/2): Chuck,
>  Kelly, Steve; *(5/3): Kelly, Steve; *(11/6):
>  Kelly
>  *(N/P): Full patent title is Champion*(N/P)
>  where N/P is the winning ratio.
>
> 
> ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> 
> GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>  Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter,
>  Michael Norrish
>
>HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>Murphy, G.
>
> 
> HIGHER EDUCATION
> 
>Associate of 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention; I will correct the Scroll.

On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 15:38, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
 wrote:
>
> H. Herald, I notice that I am listed on the Scroll of Agora under my
> former names of Zachary Watterson and Tanner L. Swett; I humbly
> request that these both be updated to Warrigal.
>
> —Warrigal, who has settled on the name of Warrigal and does not intend
> to change it again without good reason

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Tanner Swett via agora-discussion]

H. Herald, I notice that I am listed on the Scroll of Agora under my
former names of Zachary Watterson and Tanner L. Swett; I humbly
request that these both be updated to Warrigal.

—Warrigal, who has settled on the name of Warrigal and does not intend
to change it again without good reason

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 2:10 AM Jason Cobb  wrote:
> On 7/31/19 4:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > SILVER QUILLS
> >  Alexis (2014/13), ais523 (2015/07)
>
>
> Was this Patent Title actually awarded in the 13th month of 2014? I
> don't know what the effects of ratifying that would be.

I'll go back and check before the next Scroll, but I think this was
deliberate - I think something messed up awarding this in 2014, so the
title was awarded with the standard consent method, choosing 2014/13
as a joke because it took until 2015.

But even if accidental, the ratification shouldn't be a problem.  It
would ratify the fact that there was a patent title called "Silver
Quill 2014/13" without caring where the title came from or what the
numbers meant.

-G.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Jason Cobb]

On 7/31/19 4:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:

SILVER QUILLS
 Alexis (2014/13), ais523 (2015/07)



Was this Patent Title actually awarded in the 13th month of 2014? I 
don't know what the effects of ratifying that would be.


--
Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Jason Cobb]

On 7/31/19 8:02 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:

On 7/31/19 7:59 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:

These days, if we don't just say "the person
fulfilling unique condition X is the Shogun" we'd do it as "Shogun is a
switch with the Players as possible values." 



? Shogun isn't a switch. R2510:


A player's positions in Court are defined as follows:

- Any player with a karma of 5 or greater is a Samurai.

- Any player with a karma of -5 or less is an Gamma.

- The Samurai with the highest karma (if any) is the Shogun.

- The Gamma with the lowest karma (if any) is the Honourless
  Worm.


Jason Cobb



Oh! Sorry! I somehow didn't read the word "if" in the quote.

Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Jason Cobb]

On 7/31/19 7:59 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:

These days, if we don't just say "the person
fulfilling unique condition X is the Shogun" we'd do it as "Shogun is a
switch with the Players as possible values." 



? Shogun isn't a switch. R2510:


A player's positions in Court are defined as follows:

- Any player with a karma of 5 or greater is a Samurai.

- Any player with a karma of -5 or less is an Gamma.

- The Samurai with the highest karma (if any) is the Shogun.

- The Gamma with the lowest karma (if any) is the Honourless
  Worm.


Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

Random follow-up historical fun fact - before Switches were implemented,
tracking stuff like this was done with "Unique" patent titles.  If the rules
defined a patent title as Unique, then the act of awarding it to one person
auto-revoked it from any previous holder.  So non-office roles (like Shogun
etc.) followed this model.  These days, if we don't just say "the person
fulfilling unique condition X is the Shogun" we'd do it as "Shogun is a
switch with the Players as possible values."

When we repealed the concept, we didn't repeal each patent title, and patent
titles need to be explicitly revoked - so that's where most of the Ephemera
in the current Scroll come from, frozen at their last unique value.

-G.

On 7/31/2019 4:37 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:


Already covered by ancient precedent!

https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?1298

Summary:  "Distributor" used to be tracked as a Patent Title given to the
person doing the job (wasn't an Office).  The tracking mechanism for who was
the Distributor changed to a non-patent title method.  The old Patent Title
was never revoked, so for a while Steve was the holder of the Patent Title
"Distributor" while Taral and then omd were doing the actual job.  (Still
later, we used the 2 Agoran Consent method to award that Patent Title
to Taral and omd as well, so the patent title now means "was a distributor
at some point").

-G.

On 7/31/2019 2:40 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

Technically, they’re not in use as patent titles, and there’s no reason to
believe that the old patents titles have been removed. Still, this is an
interesting problem.

-Aris

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:21 PM Rebecca  wrote:


your frozen ephemera  section should remove "shogun" and "honorless worm"
which are back in use

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 6:40 AM Kerim Aydin  wrote:


 =
    THE SCROLL OF AGORA
  ===

  Herald's Monthly Report
  July 31, 2019

    ---
  RECENT CHANGES
    ---


   March 31, 2019:  Last Report published, dated incorrectly.

   April 27: Attempted ratification of above-mentioned report
 [note: date issues with ratification will likely
  precipitate a CFJ of some sort]

   April 22: Gaelan awarded Champion (win by Apathy).
 D. Margaux awarded Champion (win by Apathy).
 twg awarded Champion (win by Apathy).

    June 22: Falsifian awarded MacGyver w/2 Agoran Consent.

    July 23: Proposal 8211 creates law degrees.
 Falsifian awarded Juris Doctor of Nomic (J.N.).


    ---
    CHAMPION by
    ---
   Anarchy  Alexis
    Apathy  ais523. Aris, Murphy, o, Sprocklem, Tenhigitsune
    Zachary Watterson, Quazie,
    Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, tmanthe2nd
    Gaelan(x2), Ienpw III, Veggiekeks, omd, R. Lee,
    Bayushi, nch, grok, babelian, twg, D. Margaux
 Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
 Clout  ais523, Alexis
  Election  G.
    Escape  omd
    High Score  Elysion, G., Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
    ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), Alexis(x2),
    root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker
 Junta  ais523(x2), the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
    Alexis, nch
    Leadership  ais523
 Lotto  Alexis, omd
    Maniac  Craig, root
  Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
   Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
    Alexis, Bucky(x2), omd
  Politics  Aris, D. Margaux (x2)
  Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
    Andre(x3), ais523(x4), Canada, Bucky, G.(x2),
    omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul, Yally,
    BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, Alexis(x3), Andon, twg,
    CuddleBeam, Trigon, D. Margaux(x501)
   Renaissance  ais523, Alexis(x3), Murphy, G.(x2)
  Solitude  ais523(x2), Alexis(x2), omd
    Tournament  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr, Aris
    Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
  Via Ratification  The President
   Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
    Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
    Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

Already covered by ancient precedent!

https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?1298

Summary:  "Distributor" used to be tracked as a Patent Title given to the
person doing the job (wasn't an Office).  The tracking mechanism for who was
the Distributor changed to a non-patent title method.  The old Patent Title
was never revoked, so for a while Steve was the holder of the Patent Title
"Distributor" while Taral and then omd were doing the actual job.  (Still
later, we used the 2 Agoran Consent method to award that Patent Title
to Taral and omd as well, so the patent title now means "was a distributor
at some point").

-G.

On 7/31/2019 2:40 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

Technically, they’re not in use as patent titles, and there’s no reason to
believe that the old patents titles have been removed. Still, this is an
interesting problem.

-Aris

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:21 PM Rebecca  wrote:


your frozen ephemera  section should remove "shogun" and "honorless worm"
which are back in use

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 6:40 AM Kerim Aydin  wrote:


 =
THE SCROLL OF AGORA
  ===

  Herald's Monthly Report
  July 31, 2019

---
  RECENT CHANGES
---


   March 31, 2019:  Last Report published, dated incorrectly.

   April 27: Attempted ratification of above-mentioned report
 [note: date issues with ratification will likely
  precipitate a CFJ of some sort]

   April 22: Gaelan awarded Champion (win by Apathy).
 D. Margaux awarded Champion (win by Apathy).
 twg awarded Champion (win by Apathy).

June 22: Falsifian awarded MacGyver w/2 Agoran Consent.

July 23: Proposal 8211 creates law degrees.
 Falsifian awarded Juris Doctor of Nomic (J.N.).


---
CHAMPION by
---
   Anarchy  Alexis
Apathy  ais523. Aris, Murphy, o, Sprocklem, Tenhigitsune
Zachary Watterson, Quazie,
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, tmanthe2nd
Gaelan(x2), Ienpw III, Veggiekeks, omd, R. Lee,
Bayushi, nch, grok, babelian, twg, D. Margaux
 Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
 Clout  ais523, Alexis
  Election  G.
Escape  omd
High Score  Elysion, G., Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), Alexis(x2),
root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker
 Junta  ais523(x2), the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
Alexis, nch
Leadership  ais523
 Lotto  Alexis, omd
Maniac  Craig, root
  Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
   Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
Alexis, Bucky(x2), omd
  Politics  Aris, D. Margaux (x2)
  Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
Andre(x3), ais523(x4), Canada, Bucky, G.(x2),
omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul, Yally,
BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, Alexis(x3), Andon, twg,
CuddleBeam, Trigon, D. Margaux(x501)
   Renaissance  ais523, Alexis(x3), Murphy, G.(x2)
  Solitude  ais523(x2), Alexis(x2), omd
Tournament  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr, Aris
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
  Via Ratification  The President
   Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,
Timothy, Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel(x2),
Wes(x2). *(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen,
Morendil, Steve, Swann, Troublemaker at
Large; *(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
Troublemaker at Large, Wes; *(3/2): Chuck,
Kelly, Steve; *(5/3): Kelly, Steve; *(11/6):
Kelly
*(N/P): Full patent title is Champion*(N/P)
where N/P is the winning ratio.

   
   ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
   
   GRAND HERO 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Aris Merchant]

Technically, they’re not in use as patent titles, and there’s no reason to
believe that the old patents titles have been removed. Still, this is an
interesting problem.

-Aris

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 2:21 PM Rebecca  wrote:

> your frozen ephemera  section should remove "shogun" and "honorless worm"
> which are back in use
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 6:40 AM Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
> > =
> >THE SCROLL OF AGORA
> >  ===
> >
> >  Herald's Monthly Report
> >  July 31, 2019
> >
> >---
> >  RECENT CHANGES
> >---
> >
> >
> >   March 31, 2019:  Last Report published, dated incorrectly.
> >
> >   April 27: Attempted ratification of above-mentioned report
> > [note: date issues with ratification will likely
> >  precipitate a CFJ of some sort]
> >
> >   April 22: Gaelan awarded Champion (win by Apathy).
> > D. Margaux awarded Champion (win by Apathy).
> > twg awarded Champion (win by Apathy).
> >
> >June 22: Falsifian awarded MacGyver w/2 Agoran Consent.
> >
> >July 23: Proposal 8211 creates law degrees.
> > Falsifian awarded Juris Doctor of Nomic (J.N.).
> >
> >
> >---
> >CHAMPION by
> >---
> >   Anarchy  Alexis
> >Apathy  ais523. Aris, Murphy, o, Sprocklem, Tenhigitsune
> >Zachary Watterson, Quazie,
> >Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, tmanthe2nd
> >Gaelan(x2), Ienpw III, Veggiekeks, omd, R. Lee,
> >Bayushi, nch, grok, babelian, twg, D. Margaux
> > Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
> > Clout  ais523, Alexis
> >  Election  G.
> >Escape  omd
> >High Score  Elysion, G., Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
> >ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), Alexis(x2),
> >root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker
> > Junta  ais523(x2), the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
> >Alexis, nch
> >Leadership  ais523
> > Lotto  Alexis, omd
> >Maniac  Craig, root
> >  Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
> >   Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
> >Alexis, Bucky(x2), omd
> >  Politics  Aris, D. Margaux (x2)
> >  Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
> >Andre(x3), ais523(x4), Canada, Bucky, G.(x2),
> >omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul, Yally,
> >BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, Alexis(x3), Andon, twg,
> >CuddleBeam, Trigon, D. Margaux(x501)
> >   Renaissance  ais523, Alexis(x3), Murphy, G.(x2)
> >  Solitude  ais523(x2), Alexis(x2), omd
> >Tournament  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr, Aris
> >Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> >  Via Ratification  The President
> >   Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
> >Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
> >Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,
> >Timothy, Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel(x2),
> >Wes(x2). *(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen,
> >Morendil, Steve, Swann, Troublemaker at
> >Large; *(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
> >Troublemaker at Large, Wes; *(3/2): Chuck,
> >Kelly, Steve; *(5/3): Kelly, Steve; *(11/6):
> >Kelly
> >*(N/P): Full patent title is Champion*(N/P)
> >where N/P is the winning ratio.
> >
> >   
> >   ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> >   
> >   GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> >Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter,
> >Michael Norrish
> >
> >  HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> >  Murphy, G.
> >
> >   
> >   HIGHER EDUCATION
> >   
> >  Associate of Nomic (A.N.):   G., 

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Rebecca]

your frozen ephemera  section should remove "shogun" and "honorless worm"
which are back in use

On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 6:40 AM Kerim Aydin  wrote:

> =
>THE SCROLL OF AGORA
>  ===
>
>  Herald's Monthly Report
>  July 31, 2019
>
>---
>  RECENT CHANGES
>---
>
>
>   March 31, 2019:  Last Report published, dated incorrectly.
>
>   April 27: Attempted ratification of above-mentioned report
> [note: date issues with ratification will likely
>  precipitate a CFJ of some sort]
>
>   April 22: Gaelan awarded Champion (win by Apathy).
> D. Margaux awarded Champion (win by Apathy).
> twg awarded Champion (win by Apathy).
>
>June 22: Falsifian awarded MacGyver w/2 Agoran Consent.
>
>July 23: Proposal 8211 creates law degrees.
> Falsifian awarded Juris Doctor of Nomic (J.N.).
>
>
>---
>CHAMPION by
>---
>   Anarchy  Alexis
>Apathy  ais523. Aris, Murphy, o, Sprocklem, Tenhigitsune
>Zachary Watterson, Quazie,
>Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, tmanthe2nd
>Gaelan(x2), Ienpw III, Veggiekeks, omd, R. Lee,
>Bayushi, nch, grok, babelian, twg, D. Margaux
> Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
> Clout  ais523, Alexis
>  Election  G.
>Escape  omd
>High Score  Elysion, G., Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
>ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), Alexis(x2),
>root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker
> Junta  ais523(x2), the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
>Alexis, nch
>Leadership  ais523
> Lotto  Alexis, omd
>Maniac  Craig, root
>  Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
>   Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
>Alexis, Bucky(x2), omd
>  Politics  Aris, D. Margaux (x2)
>  Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
>Andre(x3), ais523(x4), Canada, Bucky, G.(x2),
>omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul, Yally,
>BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, Alexis(x3), Andon, twg,
>CuddleBeam, Trigon, D. Margaux(x501)
>   Renaissance  ais523, Alexis(x3), Murphy, G.(x2)
>  Solitude  ais523(x2), Alexis(x2), omd
>Tournament  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr, Aris
>Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>  Via Ratification  The President
>   Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
>Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
>Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,
>Timothy, Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel(x2),
>Wes(x2). *(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen,
>Morendil, Steve, Swann, Troublemaker at
>Large; *(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
>Troublemaker at Large, Wes; *(3/2): Chuck,
>Kelly, Steve; *(5/3): Kelly, Steve; *(11/6):
>Kelly
>*(N/P): Full patent title is Champion*(N/P)
>where N/P is the winning ratio.
>
>   
>   ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>   
>   GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter,
>Michael Norrish
>
>  HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>  Murphy, G.
>
>   
>   HIGHER EDUCATION
>   
>  Associate of Nomic (A.N.):   G., Alexis
>  Juris Doctor of Nomic (J.N.):Falsifian
>  Bachelor of Nomic (B.N.):elJefe, favor,
>   Steve, Vanyel,
>   Kolja A., Murphy,
>   Alexis
>  Master of Nomic: ais523
>  Doctor of Nomic 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

On 10/27/2017 5:59 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Could the subtitle be updated to something more informative? The other
> badge descriptions all mention what happened and why it was awarded.
> This description only says who it was awarded to.

Sure.  PSS as Herald awarded it and didn't officially list a reason in
doing so, but this was the Discussion post from me that prompted it:

> This seems more badge-worthy than era-worthy.
> (P.S.S., I think you suggested a patent title a while back, maybe a badge?)
> 
> Given the length of time we were moribund (probably the longest quiet stretch
> in recorded history), and the comment that this was the most active month,
> maybe the badge of something like the 'Great Agoran Revival' for anyone who
> made an announcement in this Great Month of Activity?

Aris wrote:
> I'd suggest something along the lines of "awarded to Agoran persons from 
> May 2017, when a major gameplay surge took place after a long period of
> inactivity".

Sounds about right.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[ATMunn]

I agree, as I had no idea what that was for until Aris posted.

On 10/27/2017 5:59 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:



=
   THE SCROLL OF AGORA
 ===
 Herald's Monthly Report
 October 27, 2017

   Badge of the Great Agoran Revival
(awarded to Agoran persons from May 2017)


Could the subtitle be updated to something more informative? The other
badge descriptions all mention what happened and why it was awarded.
This description only says who it was awarded to. I'd suggest
something along the lines of "awarded to Agoran persons from May 2017,
when a major gameplay surge took place after a long period of
inactivity".

-Aris

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Aris Merchant]

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
>
>=
>   THE SCROLL OF AGORA
> ===
> Herald's Monthly Report
> October 27, 2017
>
>   Badge of the Great Agoran Revival
>(awarded to Agoran persons from May 2017)

Could the subtitle be updated to something more informative? The other
badge descriptions all mention what happened and why it was awarded.
This description only says who it was awarded to. I'd suggest
something along the lines of "awarded to Agoran persons from May 2017,
when a major gameplay surge took place after a long period of
inactivity".

-Aris

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora (Monthly Report

[V.J Rada]

I'm kind of proud of the massive chunk of wins I accounted for.

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
 wrote:
>  =
>   THE SCROLL OF AGORA
>  =
>
>
>   ---
> RECENT CHANGES
>   ---
>
>
>   ---
>   CHAMPION by
>   ---
>  Anarchy  Alexis
>   Apathy  ais523. Aris, Murphy, o, Sprocklem, 天火狐
>   Zachary Watterson, Quazie,
>   Publius Scribonius Scholasticus, tmanthe2nd
>   Gaelan, Ienpw III, Veggiekeks, omd,
>   V.J. Rada, Bayushi. nichdel, grok, babelian
>Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
> Championship  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr
>Clout  ais523, Alexis
>   Escape  omd
>   High Score  Elysion, G., Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
>   ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), Alexis(x2),
>   root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker
>Junta  ais523(x2), the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
>   Alexis, nichdel
>   Leadership  ais523
>Lotto  Alexis, omd
>   Maniac  Craig, root
> Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
>  Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
>   Alexis, Bucky(x2), omd
> Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
>   Andre(x3), ais523(x4), Canada, Bucky, G.,
>   omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul,
>   Yally, BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, Alexis(x3),
>   Andon
>  Renaissance  ais523, Alexis(x3), Murphy, G.
> Solitude  ais523(x2), Alexis(x2), omd
> Via Ratification  The President
>  Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
>   Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
>   Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,
>   Timothy, Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel(x2),
>   Wes(x2). *(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen,
>   Morendil, Steve, Swann, Troublemaker at
>   Large; *(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
>   Troublemaker at Large, Wes; *(3/2): Chuck,
>   Kelly, Steve; *(5/3): Kelly, Steve; *(11/6):
>   Kelly
>   *(N/P): Full patent title is Champion*(N/P)
>   where N/P is the winning ratio.
>
>
>  
>  ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>  
>  GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>   Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter,
>   Michael Norrish
>
> HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> Murphy, G.
>
>
>  
>  HIGHER EDUCATION
>  
> Associate of Nomic (A.N.):   G.
> Bachelor of Nomic (B.N.):elJefe, favor,
>  Steve, Vanyel,
>  Kolja A., Murphy,
>  Alexis
> Master of Nomic: ais523
> Doctor of Nomic History (D.N.Hist.): Swann, Vlad
> Doctor of Nomic Philosophy (D.N.Phil.):  Steve, ais523
>
>
>  --
>  BADGES
>  --
>   Coming of Age
>(awarded to Active Players on Agora's 18th Birthday, July 2011).
>root, ais523, Droowl, ehird, G., Gondolier, Math321,
>Murphy, omd, Pavitra, Roujo, Alexis, Tanner L. Swett,
>Turiski, Walker, woggle, Yally, The President
>
>   Agora XX
>(awarded to players of the Agora 20th Anniversary blitz Nomic
> game, July 2013).
>Fool, omd, FSX, Walker, Chuck, ehird, Yally, Michael,
>Alexis, Roujo, Murphy, Goethe (G.), Steve, Blob, Tiger,
>woggle, Ørjan.
>
>   Order of the Lemming
>(awarded to players who voted unanimously for a major change
> in the ruleset in Jan, 2014)
>   omd, Max Schutz, ais523, Nichdel, Sprocklem, Khoyo,
>   Yally,  OscarMeyr, Wooble, G., Telnaior, Roujo, Henri,
>   Tiger, woggle, Alexis, Murphy.
>   Badge of the Great Agoran Revival
>  

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll Of Agora

[Alex Smith]

On Sat, 2017-05-20 at 13:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> 
> Thanks!  I thought you were going back through so it seemed odd that Champion 
> got
> missed.   I could have sworn Alexis gave ais523 a "special" along with the 
> win.  
> But maybe that's a complete mis-memory, so I'll defer to ais523 if anything 
> else 
> is missing...?

I don't think I got a patent title along with the win. Basically what
happened is that I saw the scam coming, and asked for a win in return
for not stopping it. E'd have given me a patent title only if e
actively needed my help, rather than merely non-interference.

-- 
ais523

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll Of Agora

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Yeah, there were four thread-beginnings missing, but I didn't check whether
the rest of the thread was there or write down which ones, both of which I
probably should have done.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:32 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> Thanks!  I thought you were going back through so it seemed odd that
> Champion got
> missed.   I could have sworn Alexis gave ais523 a "special" along with the
> win.
> But maybe that's a complete mis-memory, so I'll defer to ais523 if
> anything else
> is missing...?
>
> I guess we have some archive inconsistencies then?
>
> On Sat, 20 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> > I read through every Official and Business message since October that
> was in the Mailman archive, but somethings were missing. I will add in
> > the Champion because I found that on the Mail Archive and if you could
> be more specific about the other one I might be able to find it. So,
> > CoE-partially accepted. I publish the below revised version:
>
>
>
>

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll Of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

Thanks!  I thought you were going back through so it seemed odd that Champion 
got
missed.   I could have sworn Alexis gave ais523 a "special" along with the win. 
 
But maybe that's a complete mis-memory, so I'll defer to ais523 if anything 
else 
is missing...?

I guess we have some archive inconsistencies then?

On Sat, 20 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> I read through every Official and Business message since October that was in 
> the Mailman archive, but somethings were missing. I will add in
> the Champion because I found that on the Mail Archive and if you could be 
> more specific about the other one I might be able to find it. So,
> CoE-partially accepted. I publish the below revised version:

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll Of Agora

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I read through every Official and Business message since October that was
in the Mailman archive, but somethings were missing. I will add in the
Champion because I found that on the Mail Archive and if you could be more
specific about the other one I might be able to find it. So, CoE-partially
accepted. I publish the below revised version:

 =
  THE SCROLL OF AGORA
 =


  ---
RECENT CHANGES
  ---

Report of 20-Oct (patent titles and holders) has been ratified
Without Objection.
nichdel and ais523 recieve CHAMPION by Junta
Alexis becomes Princess of Agora
Alexis and ais523 recieve CHAMPION via Proposal
G. lost fugitive status


  ---
  CHAMPION by
  ---
 Anarchy  scshunt
   Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
Championship  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr
   Clout  ais523, scshunt
  Escape  omd
  High Score  Elysion, G., Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
  ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), scshunt(x2),
  root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker
   Junta  ais523(x2), the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
  scshunt, nichdel
  Leadership  ais523
   Lotto  scshunt, omd
  Maniac  Craig, root
Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
 Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
  scshunt, Bucky(x2), omd
Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
  Andre(x3), ais523(x4), Canada, Bucky, G.,
  omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul,
  Yally, BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, scshunt(x2),
  Andon, Alexis
 Renaissance  ais523, scshunt(x3), Murphy, G.
Solitude  ais523(x2), scshunt(x2), omd
Via Ratification  The President
 Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
  Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
  Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,
  Timothy, Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel(x2),
  Wes(x2). *(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen,
  Morendil, Steve, Swann, Troublemaker at
  Large; *(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
  Troublemaker at Large, Wes; *(3/2): Chuck,
  Kelly, Steve; *(5/3): Kelly, Steve; *(11/6):
  Kelly
  *(N/P): Full patent title is Champion*(N/P)
  where N/P is the winning ratio.


 
 ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
 
 GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
  Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter,
  Michael Norrish

HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
Murphy, G.


 
 HIGHER EDUCATION
 
Bachelor of Nomic (B.N.):elJefe, favor,
 Steve, Vanyel,
 Kolja A., Murphy,
 scshunt
Master of Nomic: ais523
Doctor of Nomic History (D.N.Hist.): Swann, Vlad
Doctor of Nomic Philosophy (D.N.Phil.):  Steve, ais523


 --
 BADGES
 --
  Coming of Age
   (awarded to Active Players on Agora's 18th Birthday, July 2011).
   root, ais523, Droowl, ehird, G., Gondolier, Math321,
   Murphy, omd, Pavitra, Roujo, scshunt, Tanner L. Swett,
   Turiski, Walker, woggle, Yally, The President

  Agora XX
   (awarded to players of the Agora 20th Anniversary blitz Nomic
game, July 2013).
   Fool, omd, FSX, Walker, Chuck, ehird, Yally, Michael,
   scshunt, Roujo, Murphy, Goethe (G.), Steve, Blob, Tiger,
   woggle, Ørjan.

  Order of the Lemming
   (awarded to players who voted unanimously for a major change
 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll Of Agora

[Nic Evans]

Technically not, because you don't *have* to award it, but it's fairly 
customary.



On 05/20/2017 02:59 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:

I will correct that,  but that is a CoE issue.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Nic Evans > wrote:


It'd be appreciated if ais523 and I received our appropriate Junta
Champion titles, btw.


On 05/20/2017 02:43 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:

I deputise for the Herald to publish The Scroll of Agora:

  =
   THE SCROLL OF AGORA
  =


   ---
 RECENT CHANGES
   ---

 Report of 20-Oct (patent titles and holders) has been ratified
 Without Objection.


   ---
   CHAMPION by
   ---
  Anarchy  scshunt
Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
 Championship  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr
Clout  ais523, scshunt
   Escape  omd
   High Score  Elysion, G., Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
   ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), scshunt(x2),
   root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker
Junta  ais523, the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
   scshunt
   Leadership  ais523
Lotto  scshunt, omd
   Maniac  Craig, root
 Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
  Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
   scshunt, Bucky(x2), omd
 Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
   Andre(x3), ais523(x3), Canada, Bucky, G.,
   omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul,
   Yally, BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, scshunt(x2),
   Andon
  Renaissance  ais523, scshunt(x3), Murphy, G.
 Solitude  ais523(x2), scshunt(x2), omd
 Via Ratification  The President
  Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
   Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
   Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,
   Timothy, Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel(x2),
   Wes(x2). *(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen,
   Morendil, Steve, Swann, Troublemaker at
   Large; *(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
   Troublemaker at Large, Wes; *(3/2): Chuck,
   Kelly, Steve; *(5/3): Kelly, Steve; *(11/6):
   Kelly
   *(N/P): Full patent title is Champion*(N/P)
   where N/P is the winning ratio.


  
  ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
  
  GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
   Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter,
   Michael Norrish

 HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
 Murphy, G.


  
  HIGHER EDUCATION
  
 Bachelor of Nomic (B.N.):elJefe, favor,
  Steve, Vanyel,
  Kolja A., Murphy,
  scshunt
 Master of Nomic: ais523
 Doctor of Nomic History (D.N.Hist.): Swann, Vlad
 Doctor of Nomic Philosophy (D.N.Phil.):  Steve, ais523


  --
  BADGES
  --
   Coming of Age
(awarded to Active Players on Agora's 18th Birthday, July 2011).
root, ais523, Droowl, ehird, G., Gondolier, Math321,
Murphy, omd, Pavitra, Roujo, scshunt, Tanner L. Swett,
Turiski, Walker, woggle, Yally, The 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll Of Agora

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

I will correct that,  but that is a CoE issue.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Nic Evans  wrote:

> It'd be appreciated if ais523 and I received our appropriate Junta
> Champion titles, btw.
>
> On 05/20/2017 02:43 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>
> I deputise for the Herald to publish The Scroll of Agora:
>
>  =
>   THE SCROLL OF AGORA
>  =
>
>
>   ---
> RECENT CHANGES
>   ---
>
> Report of 20-Oct (patent titles and holders) has been ratified
> Without Objection.
>
>
>   ---
>   CHAMPION by
>   ---
>  Anarchy  scshunt
>Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
> Championship  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr
>Clout  ais523, scshunt
>   Escape  omd
>   High Score  Elysion, G., Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
>   ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), scshunt(x2),
>   root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker
>Junta  ais523, the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
>   scshunt
>   Leadership  ais523
>Lotto  scshunt, omd
>   Maniac  Craig, root
> Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
>  Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
>   scshunt, Bucky(x2), omd
> Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
>   Andre(x3), ais523(x3), Canada, Bucky, G.,
>   omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul,
>   Yally, BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, scshunt(x2),
>   Andon
>  Renaissance  ais523, scshunt(x3), Murphy, G.
> Solitude  ais523(x2), scshunt(x2), omd
> Via Ratification  The President
>  Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
>   Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
>   Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,
>   Timothy, Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel(x2),
>   Wes(x2). *(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen,
>   Morendil, Steve, Swann, Troublemaker at
>   Large; *(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
>   Troublemaker at Large, Wes; *(3/2): Chuck,
>   Kelly, Steve; *(5/3): Kelly, Steve; *(11/6):
>   Kelly
>   *(N/P): Full patent title is Champion*(N/P)
>   where N/P is the winning ratio.
>
>
>  
>  ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>  
>  GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
>   Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter,
>   Michael Norrish
>
> HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
> Murphy, G.
>
>
>  
>  HIGHER EDUCATION
>  
> Bachelor of Nomic (B.N.):elJefe, favor,
>  Steve, Vanyel,
>  Kolja A., Murphy,
>  scshunt
> Master of Nomic: ais523
> Doctor of Nomic History (D.N.Hist.): Swann, Vlad
> Doctor of Nomic Philosophy (D.N.Phil.):  Steve, ais523
>
>
>  --
>  BADGES
>  --
>   Coming of Age
>(awarded to Active Players on Agora's 18th Birthday, July 2011).
>root, ais523, Droowl, ehird, G., Gondolier, Math321,
>Murphy, omd, Pavitra, Roujo, scshunt, Tanner L. Swett,
>Turiski, Walker, woggle, Yally, The President
>
>   Agora XX
>(awarded to players of the Agora 20th Anniversary blitz Nomic
> game, July 2013).
>Fool, omd, FSX, Walker, Chuck, ehird, Yally, Michael,
>scshunt, Roujo, Murphy, Goethe (G.), Steve, Blob, Tiger,
>woggle, Ørjan.
>
>   Order of the Lemming
>(awarded to players who voted unanimously for a major 

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll Of Agora

[Nic Evans]

It'd be appreciated if ais523 and I received our appropriate Junta 
Champion titles, btw.



On 05/20/2017 02:43 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:

I deputise for the Herald to publish The Scroll of Agora:

  =
   THE SCROLL OF AGORA
  =


   ---
 RECENT CHANGES
   ---

 Report of 20-Oct (patent titles and holders) has been ratified
 Without Objection.


   ---
   CHAMPION by
   ---
  Anarchy  scshunt
Cards  Taral, G., Murphy, OscarMeyr, root
 Championship  Wooble, root, Taral, OscarMeyr
Clout  ais523, scshunt
   Escape  omd
   High Score  Elysion, G., Levi, Murphy(x2), Steve,
   ais523(x3), Pavitra, omd(x4), scshunt(x2),
   root, Wooble, Tiger, Murphy, BobTHJ, Walker
Junta  ais523, the AFO, omd(x2), G., OscarMeyr,
   scshunt
   Leadership  ais523
Lotto  scshunt, omd
   Maniac  Craig, root
 Musicianship  Zefram, ais523, Wooble, omd, Tiger
  Paradox  G., Murphy, root, BobTHJ (x2), ais523, ehird,
   scshunt, Bucky(x2), omd
 Proposal  Human Point Two, Morendil, Steve(x3),
   Andre(x3), ais523(x3), Canada, Bucky, G.,
   omd(x2), woggle, Spitemaster, allispaul,
   Yally, BobTHJ, Murphy, Tiger, scshunt(x2),
   Andon
  Renaissance  ais523, scshunt(x3), Murphy, G.
 Solitude  ais523(x2), scshunt(x2), omd
 Via Ratification  The President
  Unspecified  Blob, elJefe, General Chaos, Steve,
   Chuck, Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Ian,
   Jeffrey, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Swann, t,
   Timothy, Troublemaker at Large, Vanyel(x2),
   Wes(x2). *(7/6): Chuck, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen,
   Morendil, Steve, Swann, Troublemaker at
   Large; *(4/3): Chuck, Kelly, KoJen, Steve,
   Troublemaker at Large, Wes; *(3/2): Chuck,
   Kelly, Steve; *(5/3): Kelly, Steve; *(11/6):
   Kelly
   *(N/P): Full patent title is Champion*(N/P)
   where N/P is the winning ratio.


  
  ORDER OF THE HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
  
  GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
   Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter,
   Michael Norrish

 HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
 Murphy, G.


  
  HIGHER EDUCATION
  
 Bachelor of Nomic (B.N.):elJefe, favor,
  Steve, Vanyel,
  Kolja A., Murphy,
  scshunt
 Master of Nomic: ais523
 Doctor of Nomic History (D.N.Hist.): Swann, Vlad
 Doctor of Nomic Philosophy (D.N.Phil.):  Steve, ais523


  --
  BADGES
  --
   Coming of Age
(awarded to Active Players on Agora's 18th Birthday, July 2011).
root, ais523, Droowl, ehird, G., Gondolier, Math321,
Murphy, omd, Pavitra, Roujo, scshunt, Tanner L. Swett,
Turiski, Walker, woggle, Yally, The President

   Agora XX
(awarded to players of the Agora 20th Anniversary blitz Nomic
 game, July 2013).
Fool, omd, FSX, Walker, Chuck, ehird, Yally, Michael,
scshunt, Roujo, Murphy, Goethe (G.), Steve, Blob, Tiger,
woggle, Ørjan.

   Order of the Lemming
(awarded to players who voted unanimously for a major change
 in the ruleset in Jan, 2014)
   omd, Max Schutz, ais523, Nichdel, Sprocklem, Khoyo,
   Yally,  OscarMeyr, Wooble, G., Telnaior, Roujo, Henri,
   Tiger, woggle, scshunt, Murphy.


  

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll Of Agora

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

Oh, sorry, I will do that in the future.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, 20 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
> >   ---
> > RECENT CHANGES
> >   ---
> >
> > Report of 20-Oct (patent titles and holders) has been ratified
> > Without Objection.
> >
>
> Not going to CoE, but could you note the changes you made since the
> October 20 report, in 'recent changes'?  Since you listed the 20-Oct
> ratification as "recent events", that implies that there was nothing
> that happened since then (and there were changes in November).
>
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll Of Agora

[Publius Scribonius Scholasticus]

For a summary, I removed G.'s fugitive status and Alexis became Princess.


Publius Scribonius Scholasticus

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus <
p.scribonius.scholasti...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Oh, sorry, I will do that in the future.
>
> 
> Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>
> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 20 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>> >   ---
>> > RECENT CHANGES
>> >   ---
>> >
>> > Report of 20-Oct (patent titles and holders) has been ratified
>> > Without Objection.
>> >
>>
>> Not going to CoE, but could you note the changes you made since the
>> October 20 report, in 'recent changes'?  Since you listed the 20-Oct
>> ratification as "recent events", that implies that there was nothing
>> that happened since then (and there were changes in November).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll Of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sat, 20 May 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote:
>   ---
> RECENT CHANGES
>   ---
> 
> Report of 20-Oct (patent titles and holders) has been ratified
> Without Objection.
>

Not going to CoE, but could you note the changes you made since the 
October 20 report, in 'recent changes'?  Since you listed the 20-Oct 
ratification as "recent events", that implies that there was nothing
that happened since then (and there were changes in November).

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[omd]

On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote:
   =
THE SCROLL OF AGORA
   =

Belated CoE: You were de-Heralded by self-ratification some months ago.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[omd]

On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 4:31 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote:
   =
THE SCROLL OF AGORA
   =

 Belated CoE: You were de-Heralded by self-ratification some months ago.

Just kidding!  It was actually I that did it, a day after this was
published.  Ugh.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Sean Hunt]

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote:
   Distributor:  Steve

An error having been discovered:

Taral was awarded the Patent Title Distributor by proposal. The next
edition of the Scroll will correct this inaccuracy.

-scshunt

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Roger Hicks]

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:


  =
   THE SCROLL OF AGORA
  =

 Last report:  Tue, 19 Jun 2012

 Recent Activity:

 31 May 2012: The Herald awards The President the patent title Champion
  (Anarchy, via Ratification).

   ---
  DEFINED PATENT TITLES
   ---

 CHAMPION by

Anarchy  scshunt

Pseudo-CoE: Shouldn't the President be on the list of Champion holders?

BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

On Wed, 1 Aug 2012, Roger Hicks wrote:
 Anarchy  scshunt
 
 Pseudo-CoE: Shouldn't the President be on the list of Champion holders?

E is, lower down, under Via Ratification.

That's a category I'm using for win announcements that have ratified, but
the facts post-ratification find that the victory announcement was wrong,
so ratification was the actual method by which e won.

-G.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Roger Hicks]

On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:


 On Wed, 1 Aug 2012, Roger Hicks wrote:
 Anarchy  scshunt

 Pseudo-CoE: Shouldn't the President be on the list of Champion holders?

 E is, lower down, under Via Ratification.

 That's a category I'm using for win announcements that have ratified, but
 the facts post-ratification find that the victory announcement was wrong,
 so ratification was the actual method by which e won.

 -G.

Oops, now I remember you saying that - sorry!

BobTHJ

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Sean Hunt]

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:20, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:
              Junta  ais523, the AFO, omd (x2), G., OscarMeyr, schunt

typo

Sean

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

On Wed, 26 Oct 2011, Sean Hunt wrote:
 On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:20, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:
               Junta  ais523, the AFO, omd (x2), G., OscarMeyr, schunt
 
 typo
 
 Sean

gotcha

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Sean Hunt]

On 11-06-10 09:28 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:

   GRAND HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter

  HERO OF AGORA NOMIC
Murphy


These should be moved to the forefront.

-scshunt

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

On Tue, 17 May 2011, Kerim Aydin wrote:
  Fugitives [the return of the unofficial list]
   Elde, Time Agent, Antimatter, Proglet, Macross, root, Vlad, Morendil,
   Beefurabi, elJefe, Ziggy, Evantine, pTang, Blaise, Syllepsis, neil,
   Blob, Magu, Peekee, Cainech, Wes, t, Pakaran, 0x44, Elysion, Quazie

As there's no longer a way to expunge that final fugitive-ness on return,
I'm taking names off when people reregister; in this case Quazie.  -G.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

On Tue, 17 May 2011, ais523 wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 09:44 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
  On Tue, 17 May 2011, Kerim Aydin wrote:
Fugitives [the return of the unofficial list]
 Elde, Time Agent, Antimatter, Proglet, Macross, root, Vlad, Morendil,
 Beefurabi, elJefe, Ziggy, Evantine, pTang, Blaise, Syllepsis, neil,
 Blob, Magu, Peekee, Cainech, Wes, t, Pakaran, 0x44, Elysion, Quazie
  
  As there's no longer a way to expunge that final fugitive-ness on return,
  I'm taking names off when people reregister; in this case Quazie.  -G.
 
 I think last time that happened, we had a debate in a-d as to if people
 should be taken off the list when they reregistered. (I think we went on
 a case-by-case basis, but every case was removed.) There's at least one
 case of a user actually deliberately trying to make amends, but I can't
 remember who it was offhand (perhaps Sir Toby?).

Not sure what you mean by every case was removed?

Maybe the Herald should make a practice of saying Welcome back!  You left
under a cloud but we can't remember why.  If you say you're really, really 
sorry I'll take you off the list.

Of course, if there's some reasonably recent annoyance as to the reason
that would require something more depending on circumstances.  Maybe I
should do it w/o 2 objections or so?

Mind you, it looks like Quazie's destined to end up back on that list in
the near future.

-G.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[ais523]

On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 11:36 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
 Not sure what you mean by every case was removed?

I mean, everyone on the list who reregistered, we removed after
consideration of their individual cases. (Actually, I wonder now if I
just did that unilaterally; I seem to remember I was Herald, or
deputising for it, at the time, but it was a long time ago now and I
can't remember the details.)

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

On Tue, 17 May 2011, ais523 wrote:
 On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 11:36 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
  Not sure what you mean by every case was removed?
 
 I mean, everyone on the list who reregistered, we removed after
 consideration of their individual cases. (Actually, I wonder now if I
 just did that unilaterally; I seem to remember I was Herald, or
 deputising for it, at the time, but it was a long time ago now and I
 can't remember the details.)

Makes sense.  If Quazie reactivates emself I'll ask for short apology;
if not e'll eventually leave with a late report to eir credit so stays
on.

Re: BUS: Re: ?spam? Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[comex]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 CoE: ehird has the patent title Plagiarist.
 You realize that only has meaning for things that self-ratify, yes?

Tell that to the people who made CoEs when the term had absolutely no
definition in the Rules.

Re: BUS: Re: ?spam? Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Ian Kelly]

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 8:40 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 CoE: ehird has the patent title Plagiarist.
 You realize that only has meaning for things that self-ratify, yes?

 Tell that to the people who made CoEs when the term had absolutely no
 definition in the Rules.

As an understood acronym for pointing out errors.  What would be silly
would be doing that in response to another message pointing out the
error, as ais523 did here.

-root

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Roger Hicks]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   the not-quite-birthday HERALD'S REPORT - June 30, 2008

  
  HERALD'S HISTORY CORNER (*NEW!*)
  

  DID YOU KNOW?
  Samurai, Shogun, and Honorless Worm are Kudos-related titles.

  Kudos were a zero-sum measure of Players' honor and respect for each
  other.  Once per week, a player could increase someone's kudos (other
  than eir own) at the expense of someone else's (perhaps eir own), if
  e gave a reason.  Typical uses:  I increase Murphy's kudos by one by
  decreasing mine by one, to thank em for helping me with my report or
  (to encourage good behavior and discourage bad) I increase Eris's
  kudos by one (for making a good judgement) by decreasing Goethe's
  kudos by one (for being such a jerk while arguing against said good
  judgement).  In reality, there was some kudo inflation as players
  tended to decrease kudos of vanished inactive players prior to de-
  registration, so as to award without punishing.

  Players with kudos above a certain high threshold were Samurai.  The
  Shogun was e with the most kudos at any given time, the Honorless Worm
  the least; titles below reflect the instant kudos were repealed ca.
  2002.  Some insight may be gained by the fact that the last holder of
  Honorless Worm was the only person to have Left in a Huff thrice.

Hooray! I hope this becomes a regular feature of the Herald's report
(on a new subject each report of course).

BobTHJ

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Ian Kelly]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   --
UNDEFINED BUT HELD PATENT TITLES
   --
 :   Andre
 Admiral:Goethe
 Agoran Spy: pikhq
 Agoraphobe: Antimatter, BethMo, Blue
 Boor:   General Chaos, Macross, Murphy, Sherlock, elJefe,
 Crito
 Current Champion:   The Goddess Eris
 Distributor:Steve
 Entrepreneur:   Chuck
 Exorcist:   Oerjan
 Fantasy Rule Catalyst:Peter
 Fantasy Rule Compulsion:  Zefram
 Fantasy Rule Conspirator: OscarMeyr
 Fantasy Rule Creator: Murphy
 Hero:   Peter Suber, Chuck Carroll, Douglas Hofstadter
 Historian:  Vlad
 Honorless Worm: Kelly
 Left in a Huff: Waggie, Gecko, Kelly (x3!), Swann, KoJen, Zefram,
Vlad, Andre, Goethe
 Maniac: Craig, Peekee, root
 Miscreant:  Pakaran
 Nomic Thief:Swann
 Originator: Chuck
 Pugachev:   Goethe
 Robespierre:Goethe
 Samurai:Michael, Murphy
 Shogun: Michael
 Sorcerer's Apprentice:   comex

  Winners' Cups
 Paper Cup: Dave Bowen, favor, Garth, Harlequin, Ian, Jeffrey,
Michael, Murphy, Oerjan, Timothy, Vanyel
 Tin Cup:   Blob
 Glass Cup: Swann, elJefe, KoJen, Troublemaker at Large, Wes
 Crystal Cup:   Andre, Chuck, Morendil
 Gold Cup:  General Chaos
 Ruby Cup:  Steve
 Supreme Cup:   Crito

You've omitted ehird's new Plagiarist title from Proposal 5568.

-root

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[ais523]

On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 14:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--
 UNDEFINED BUT HELD PATENT TITLES
--
 You've omitted ehird's new Plagiarist title from Proposal 5568.
CoE: ehird has the patent title Plagiarist.
-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Roger Hicks]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Left in a Huff: Waggie, Gecko, Kelly (x3!), Swann, KoJen, Zefram,
Vlad, Andre, Goethe
 You've omitted ehird's new Plagiarist title from Proposal 5568.

 -root

Also, didn't I get a Left in a Huff, or Came Back in a Puff (or
something similar) title by proposal some time back for my 'scam' of
using a WRIT of FAGE to circumvent the 30 day self-imposed exile for
voluntary deregistration?

BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Ian Kelly]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Also, didn't I get a Left in a Huff, or Came Back in a Puff (or
 something similar) title by proposal some time back for my 'scam' of
 using a WRIT of FAGE to circumvent the 30 day self-imposed exile for
 voluntary deregistration?

I don't remember what happened with Came Back in a Puff, but I
distinctly remember awarding you Left in a Huff.

-root

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Sgeo]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:06 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 14:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--
 UNDEFINED BUT HELD PATENT TITLES
--
 You've omitted ehird's new Plagiarist title from Proposal 5568.
 CoE: ehird has the patent title Plagiarist.
 --
 ais523


NttPF

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Kerim Aydin]

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote:
 Also, didn't I get a Left in a Huff, or Came Back in a Puff (or
 something similar) title by proposal some time back for my 'scam' of
 using a WRIT of FAGE to circumvent the 30 day self-imposed exile for
 voluntary deregistration?

Ah yes, I believe so; I can probably find it but if you have a ref handy, 
a kudo goes to you.  -Goethe

Re: BUS: Re: ?spam? Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Ian Kelly]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:07 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 TTttPF

 On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 21:06 +0100, ais523 wrote:
 On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 14:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
  On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --
  UNDEFINED BUT HELD PATENT TITLES
 --
  You've omitted ehird's new Plagiarist title from Proposal 5568.
 CoE: ehird has the patent title Plagiarist.

You realize that only has meaning for things that self-ratify, yes?

-root

Re: BUS: Re: ?spam? Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[ais523]

On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 14:17 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:07 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  TTttPF
 
  On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 21:06 +0100, ais523 wrote:
  On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 14:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote:
   On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --
   UNDEFINED BUT HELD PATENT TITLES
  --
   You've omitted ehird's new Plagiarist title from Proposal 5568.
  CoE: ehird has the patent title Plagiarist.
 
 You realize that only has meaning for things that self-ratify, yes?
 
 -root
Hmm... patent titles aren't assets AFAIR, so the Herald probably isn't
the recordkeepor of them and so it probably doesn't self-ratify. But
CoEing is still useful due to the potential of deliberate ratification,
plus I think it's a good habit to get into rather then remembering what
ratifies and what doesn't.
-- 
ais523

Re: BUS: Re: ?spam? Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

[Ian Kelly]

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hmm... patent titles aren't assets AFAIR, so the Herald probably isn't
 the recordkeepor of them and so it probably doesn't self-ratify. But
 CoEing is still useful due to the potential of deliberate ratification,
 plus I think it's a good habit to get into rather then remembering what
 ratifies and what doesn't.

CoEing does not prevent deliberate ratification.  Objecting does.

-root