Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
Pros and Cons from burger seem to be pretty biased, but that's not important, your idea of wiki-ing it is good and I suggest we go this way. This whole 'which language to choose' thing is getting on my nerves, and I'm willing to approve anything that gets accepted by the majority. As burger sug

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 02:20, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: > You get the principle but I would like to do something better than using > callbacks for events... Or at least use an event layer between GUI and proc > that do the things... I am using the event system in my example: amsn::hand

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 04:20, schreef Philippe Khalaf: > -- TCL PROS in aMSN2 -- > - No need for anyone to learn any new language (good & bad reason) > - If people learn a new language, the intial code will probably be crap > (good reason, but it might also bring in new experienced

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Sander Hoentjen
http://amsn.sourceforge.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Programming +Language+Pros+And+Cons Go on and change to your liking, but try to be fair. This means if you put in the wiki: Python is faster to develop, then give a link to a study that says so. Don't put it there if you just think it is faster.

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
Who said that the whole project will be in C ??? Only you ! What will be in C/C++ : DBUS bindings and GUI modules for GTK/QT Nothing else... You should look at what I said in my previous mails... And don't worry I already said it in first thread about aMSN2 design : I want all developers to be abl

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
I just remember something about Python... When you were all thinking only about Tcl/Tk, my father already used Python (I studied it a little too) and it was a hell to have a good graphic interface... And guess what ? What was the only GUI binding for Python ? TK !! Yes you have well read... And w

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 12:33, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: > I just remember something about Python... > When you were all thinking only about Tcl/Tk, my father already used Python > (I studied it a little too) and it was a hell to have a good graphic > interface... And guess what ? What

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Peter Johansson
I like the idea to move from TCL to Python, i really do hate TCL in many ways. Python that even is a highlevel language is much faster and more relaible than TCL. I think this migration will only make aMSN better, and indeed if you drop TCL you will get more hackers. Iam not the only one hating TCL

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Sander also put Ruby into that Wiki page. I did not know Ruby (heard the name before, but did not know what it is like), and have been browsing around for some time now to get info about it, and I think it is most worth considering. Thanks Sander for pointing it out! Op zondag 20 augustus 2006

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:13:14 +0200 Philippe Valembois - Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Who said that the whole project will be in C ??? > Only you ! What will be in C/C++ : DBUS bindings and GUI modules for GTK/QT And the protocol backend (libmsn), and the connection manager for MSN. That means

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400 "Madd Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point. > > Having learned python, you get used to the indentation very fast. I > wouldn't list it as a big con. You get very readable code as a result > as well. Its d

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 18:05, schreef Philippe Khalaf: > On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400 > > "Madd Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point. > > > > Having learned python, you get used to the indentation very fast. I > > wouldn't list it

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Ole André Vadla Ravnås
On 8/20/06, Harry Vennik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 18:05, schreef Philippe Khalaf:> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400>> "Madd Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point.> >> > Having learned python, you get used to the

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
Hi, > > - faster development than TCL or most any other languages > Any motivation for that? http://edok01.tib.uni-hannover.de/edoks/e001/327614196.pdf This is a phd thesis, from this document we can see that: - Python is faster than TCL (figure 1, 2, 4, 6) - Python uses less memory (figure 8) -

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:18:11 +0200 Harry Vennik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 18:05, schreef Philippe Khalaf: > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400 > > > > "Madd Matt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point. > > > > > >

Re: [Amsn-devel] aMSN2 - Second design draft

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 18:00, schreef Philippe Khalaf: > On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 12:13:14 +0200 > > Philippe Valembois - Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Who said that the whole project will be in C ??? > > Only you ! What will be in C/C++ : DBUS bindings and GUI modules for > > GTK/QT > > And t

[Amsn-devel] Download Bar

2006-08-20 Thread Lord Zak
Hi allSorry to disturb you with little bugs but is it possible to have a look to the progress bar ? The percent become "-3%", "-5%" when it's a big file after 4-5 minutes of download/upload... and there is something else : when you abort a download in the window of download, we always can clic on "

[Amsn-devel] Autopackage error

2006-08-20 Thread Joao Victor
Just thought i'd let you know it seems to be some problem when installing the latest Amsn autopackage on Mandriva 2006. Autopackage says it cannot be installed because the system is missing GLIBC_2.4, and that this error probably means the package wasn't built correctly with apbuild. Cheers, J.V.

[Amsn-devel] amsn webcam issue

2006-08-20 Thread martin ...
Hello i was having an error on a windows machine saying that i was behind a firewall or a router.. and i actually was, the router was using NAT. I couldnt send or receive webcam, but the problem was not my router it was actually that the windows computers time was wrong.. a few years wrong.. so i

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
I guess many open-source code is written in python and ruby, so if someone could find a link to an open-source project using that and give only the direct link to a source file (like http://svn.sf.net/svnroot/whatever/checkout.php?file=whatever.py&rev=HEAD) so we can take a look at a real life

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
Make fun of me BASTARD :@ :p j/k Yeah, I know, I'm stubborn and I either 'like it' or not.. and idnentation as part of the syntax.. I don't like.. I do have a small experience with it, with maybe the only other language which considers spaces as being part of the syntax... COBOL :p and I

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
Ok, is there any 'python like' language which allows for a 'normal' syntax? :P hehe, anyways, as I said in my previous mail, we should compare with other languages too, and as I said, since almost all modules (or was it 'all' modules?) will be in C, why use a non-C layer in between, why not use C

Re: [Amsn-devel] Download Bar

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hi, Thanks for reporting.. but I think the forums are more suitable for such bug reports... http://amsn.sf.net/forums On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 07:58:08PM +0200, Lord Zak wrote: > Hi all > > Sorry to disturb you with little bugs but is it possible to have a look to > the progress bar ? The percent

Re: [Amsn-devel] Autopackage error

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
The package was not built with apbuild at all... the next release should have a fully compatible autopackage (works on any machine with any libc, libstdc++ glibc...) probably it will be for RC2 or 0.97... which reminds me... KKRT On Sun, Aug 20, 2006 at 03:24:01PM -0300, Joao Victor wrote: >

Re: [Amsn-devel] amsn webcam issue

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
Hi, Thanks for telling us... maybe you should have used the forums (http://amsn.sf.net/forums) but this is weird... I see no reason at all why the time would affect in any way the webcam feed... can you reproduce it ? if yes, can you send me directly the status log of when it happens ? (ctrl-S -

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:28:43 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Youness Alaoui) wrote: > Make fun of me BASTARD :@ :p > j/k > Yeah, I know, I'm stubborn and I either 'like it' or not.. and idnentation as > part of the syntax.. I don't like.. I do have a small experience > with it, with maybe the o

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:41:22 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Youness Alaoui) wrote: > Ok, is there any 'python like' language which allows for a 'normal' syntax? :P > hehe, anyways, as I said in my previous mail, we should compare with other > languages too, and as I said, since almost all modules (or w

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
Yeah, don't worry, I read it already... it's a quite interesting article.. I then looked at a python code I had (the ISF decompressor from Ole) and after installing the python-mode for emacs (haha! no flame war please vi users :P) I found it 'acceptable'.. I still don't like it, and for sure, w