Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-23 Thread William Bowling
On 22/08/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Le Monday 21 August 2006 10:33, Ole André Vadla Ravnås a écrit: On 8/21/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: py2exe will create an executable in native code, out of the python code (or maybe it's a python interpreter

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-21 Thread Youness Alaoui
py2exe will create an executable in native code, out of the python code (or maybe it's a python interpreter with bundled pyc/pyo byte code objects... (reminds me of freewrap for tcl/tk) also pyrex converts python to C which can be compiled (bad idea)... anyways, the default python IDE looks

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-21 Thread Ole André Vadla Ravnås
On 8/21/06, Youness Alaoui [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: py2exe will create an executable in native code, out of the python code (or maybe it's a python interpreter with bundled pyc/pyo byte codeobjects... (reminds me of freewrap for tcl/tk)Yeah it's the latter, it bundles everything you need along

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-21 Thread Harry Vennik
Op maandag 21 augustus 2006 10:33, schreef Ole André Vadla Ravnås: There's also psyco: http://psyco.sourceforge.net/ But I reckon such optimization tools are more appropriate for really performance-sensitive code, like realtime audio processing, etc. :-) Any realtime processing should always be

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-21 Thread Ole André Vadla Ravnås
On 8/21/06, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op maandag 21 augustus 2006 10:33, schreef Ole André Vadla Ravnås: There's also psyco: http://psyco.sourceforge.net/ But I reckon such optimization tools are more appropriate for really performance-sensitive code, like realtime audio processing,

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-21 Thread Harry Vennik
Op maandag 21 augustus 2006 03:41, schreef Youness Alaoui: Ok, is there any 'python like' language which allows for a 'normal' syntax? :P hehe, anyways, as I said in my previous mail, we should compare with other languages too, and as I said, since almost all modules (or was it 'all' modules?)

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-21 Thread Max
I personally use eclipse along with the pydev pluggin : http://pydev.sourceforge.net/On 8/21/06, Philippe Valembois - Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:[...] The default IDE is indeed crap. :-) I personally prefer PyDev ( http://pydev.sourceforge.net/), which is a plugin for Eclipse. It has code

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
Pros and Cons from burger seem to be pretty biased, but that's not important, your idea of wiki-ing it is good and I suggest we go this way. This whole 'which language to choose' thing is getting on my nerves, and I'm willing to approve anything that gets accepted by the majority. As burger

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Sander Hoentjen
http://amsn.sourceforge.net/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Programming +Language+Pros+And+Cons Go on and change to your liking, but try to be fair. This means if you put in the wiki: Python is faster to develop, then give a link to a study that says so. Don't put it there if you just think it is

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Valembois - Phil
I just remember something about Python... When you were all thinking only about Tcl/Tk, my father already used Python (I studied it a little too) and it was a hell to have a good graphic interface... And guess what ? What was the only GUI binding for Python ? TK !! Yes you have well read... And

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 12:33, schreef Philippe Valembois - Phil: I just remember something about Python... When you were all thinking only about Tcl/Tk, my father already used Python (I studied it a little too) and it was a hell to have a good graphic interface... And guess what ? What was

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Peter Johansson
I like the idea to move from TCL to Python, i really do hate TCL in many ways. Python that even is a highlevel language is much faster and more relaible than TCL. I think this migration will only make aMSN better, and indeed if you drop TCL you will get more hackers. Iam not the only one hating

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Sander also put Ruby into that Wiki page. I did not know Ruby (heard the name before, but did not know what it is like), and have been browsing around for some time now to get info about it, and I think it is most worth considering. Thanks Sander for pointing it out! Op zondag 20 augustus 2006

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400 Madd Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point. Having learned python, you get used to the indentation very fast. I wouldn't list it as a big con. You get very readable code as a result as well. Its

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Harry Vennik
Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 18:05, schreef Philippe Khalaf: On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400 Madd Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point. Having learned python, you get used to the indentation very fast. I wouldn't list it as a big con.

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Ole André Vadla Ravnås
On 8/20/06, Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 18:05, schreef Philippe Khalaf: On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400 Madd Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point. Having learned python, you get used to the indentation

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
Hi, - faster development than TCL or most any other languages Any motivation for that? http://edok01.tib.uni-hannover.de/edoks/e001/327614196.pdf This is a phd thesis, from this document we can see that: - Python is faster than TCL (figure 1, 2, 4, 6) - Python uses less memory (figure 8) -

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 18:18:11 +0200 Harry Vennik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op zondag 20 augustus 2006 18:05, schreef Philippe Khalaf: On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 23:30:46 -0400 Madd Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point. Having learned

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
I guess many open-source code is written in python and ruby, so if someone could find a link to an open-source project using that and give only the direct link to a source file (like http://svn.sf.net/svnroot/whatever/checkout.php?file=whatever.pyrev=HEAD) so we can take a look at a real life

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
Make fun of me BASTARD :@ :p j/k Yeah, I know, I'm stubborn and I either 'like it' or not.. and idnentation as part of the syntax.. I don't like.. I do have a small experience with it, with maybe the only other language which considers spaces as being part of the syntax... COBOL :p and

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:28:43 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Youness Alaoui) wrote: Make fun of me BASTARD :@ :p j/k Yeah, I know, I'm stubborn and I either 'like it' or not.. and idnentation as part of the syntax.. I don't like.. I do have a small experience with it, with maybe the only

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Philippe Khalaf
On Sun, 20 Aug 2006 21:41:22 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Youness Alaoui) wrote: Ok, is there any 'python like' language which allows for a 'normal' syntax? :P hehe, anyways, as I said in my previous mail, we should compare with other languages too, and as I said, since almost all modules (or was

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-20 Thread Youness Alaoui
Yeah, don't worry, I read it already... it's a quite interesting article.. I then looked at a python code I had (the ISF decompressor from Ole) and after installing the python-mode for emacs (haha! no flame war please vi users :P) I found it 'acceptable'.. I still don't like it, and for sure,

Re: [Amsn-devel] TCL or Python in aMSN2 (Pros and Cons)

2006-08-19 Thread Madd Matt
You mean python cons where you say TCL cons at one point. Having learned python, you get used to the indentation very fast. I wouldn't list it as a big con. You get very readable code as a result as well. Its debatable. Another Pro is I can do more than sit on the sidelines and listen to this